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What was your voting experience like this time?

I went after work. It was more crowded than usual, and the voting machines everyone's been talking about weren't there. Not even the punch machines that I've always used. I used ye olde paper ballots and a dark pen to fill the ovals.

I went in, showed my ID, went over to the machine, touched the screen to choose my candidates, and submitted it. No problems and no lines...it was pretty much just in and out.

Of course, I was voting on campus so maybe it was more efficient?

What was your voting experience like this time?

I went after work. It was more crowded than usual, and the voting machines everyone's been talking about weren't there. Not even the punch machines that I've always used. I used ye olde paper ballots and a dark pen to fill the ovals.

Well, ye olde paper ballots seemed to be the rule here too. But I didn't have to wait in line very long at all.

I was the third voter of the day this morning at my polling place, there was 4 volunteers, a cop, and another voter there. I filled in my ballot (the complete the arrow with a sharpie kind) let my little one feed it in to the machine, we all got stickers, fun times. ;)

I am proud to say that I did not vote today. And to those of you who did, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I am proud to say that I did not vote today. And to those of you who did, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

:rolleyes:

I am proud to say that I did not vote today. And to those of you who did, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

And why is that?

I am proud to say that I did not vote today. And to those of you who did, you should be ashamed of yourselves.:gundge:

I hadn't voted in this town before, so I didn't know where the polling place was. I accosted the first person with an "I voted" sticker on to get directions. It's a small enough town there's only one place to vote.

I voted absentee, since I'm living on campus, 70 miles away from home, and I don't really care about Santa Cruz city council elections.

I was surprised to find that the poll center was in someone's garage, but I went in there, showed my passport (didn't have a driver's license), and went up to the polling machine, whose screen I poked for a few moments until one of the poll workers showed me the little dial to turn to vote. Then I voted, and won with all my candidates. :D

:rolleyes:

Hey, if others are allowed to state the reverse, then I can state that. There's nothing incendiary about it.

And why is that?

Which?

:gundge:

I hadn't voted in this town before, so I didn't know where the polling place was. I accosted the first person with an "I voted" sticker on to get directions. It's a small enough town there's only one place to vote.

Sorry, you missed your attack roll! Spell negated by my +94 Wall of Representative Democracy LOLZ. My turn.

Sorry, you missed your attack roll! Spell negated by my +94 Wall of Representative Democracy LOLZ. My turn.Damn. I wish I still had my old black dice that always rolled either 20 or one.

What was your voting experience like this time?

I went after work. It was more crowded than usual, and the voting machines everyone's been talking about weren't there. Not even the punch machines that I've always used. I used ye olde paper ballots and a dark pen to fill the ovals.

Ours were the same.

Though when I went at like 3 pm there were only 430 something people that voted (hell the whole district must have gotten there before me ... I did not know there were 430 peopl in that district lol)

The ballot box where you put them in had an electronic counter

I walked in, showed my ID, pressed a pretty button.

Which?

Both, Why are you proud you did not vote, and why shouldn't I vote.

Damn. I wish I still had my old black dice that always rolled either 20 or one.

Either way....

I'm going to preempt the opening salvo in this debate (& it WILL be a cultured debate eventually...at least, cultured on my part; I can't speak for others why might become petulant) & just do it here:

"How do you expect to change anything/solve any of the world's problems if you don't vote?"

"How do you expect to change anything/solve any of the world's problems if you DO vote? Voting to change the system is like trying to take off your underwear why still wearing your pants; it doesn't work."

Discuss.

Either way....

I'm going to preempt the opening salvo in this debate (& it WILL be a cultured debate eventually...at least, cultured on my part; I can't speak for others why might become petulant) & just do it here:

"How do you expect to change anything/solve any of the world's problems if you don't vote?"

"How do you expect to change anything/solve any of the world's problems if you DO vote? Voting to change the system is like trying to take off your underwear why still wearing your pants; it doesn't work."

Discuss.

That still does not explain why others should be ashamed? you dont feel it helps anything. Fine but thats no reason to feel ashamed if you do want to try and change things

Even if it is not easy to

I went after my two morning classes, it wasn't very crowded at all. Now I am used to the punch the holes out ballot, but this time it was a paper ballot and they give you a pen to fill in the bubble with.

I drove to my polling place at a nearby church. Walked in at about 8:29 in light rain, spelled my name to the lady, got my ballot, filled out the little circles, and fed it to the OCR reader. I was voter #255 according to the ballot counter. Out by 8:34, still raining, and on to work.

Thanks to my 5 minute voting delay, I had to wait an extra 10 minutes for breakfast at the company cafeteria (the slow people usually arrive as I am leaving). Damned electoral system.

I had one of those old school lever voting machines. It made nice sounds.

My precinct polling place was pretty empty. No lines, no fuss, no confussion about the ballots, no problems at all. Based on my experience today I really don't understand where people get the idea that the polls are overflowing with disenfranchised voters and the elections are being rigged.

Vote early, vote often. That's what I always say. I really do. It irritates the hell out of my friends and family.

Both, Why are you proud you did not vote, and why shouldn't I vote.

Because he's a self-rightuous moron who thinks thinks that voting accomplishes nothing but that his sitting on his lazy ass complaining about the system does.

vote was in a week ago. I live 8 months of the year in a state that is not the state I vote in. Yay for college.

My polling place was a 3 minute walk and then I showed ID and got a paper and had to ink in my votes. I then I slid it into this machine that somehow counted the colored boxes. No line whatsoever. Nice to get in there quickly. :)

That still does not explain why others should be ashamed? you dont feel it helps anything. Fine but thats no reason to feel ashamed if you do want to try and change things

Even if it is not easy to

Why should I feel ashamed for not voting? Every year, it's the same thing: I get badgered about it, & when I calmly & rationally explain my reasons, I'm given...well, something like what I quoted below. This year, I went on the offensive with the same tactic. Boy HOWDY, do people get confuserated.

Because he's a self-rightuous moron who thinks thinks that voting accomplishes nothing but that his sitting on his lazy ass complaining about the system does.

Way to make a snap judgement on someone you know dick-all about. For your infomration, I work to undermine the system because it is flawed & inherently lethal for all contained within. Remember what Wavy Gravy said? While you sit & elect tier runners for the prison, I'm tunnelling under & through the wall with re-education, philosophical enlightment for a modern era, & the creation of tools for others so that they may continue the same. The viral multiplicative effect at its best. For every 5 who ridicule me, I get 1 who is interested & wants to hear more. That's all I need. What they then do with that information is their own.

You want to play games in the prison, so be it. Power to you. When we crack the walls & go pouring out, leave us be & we'll do the same. That's all we ask.

Pretty easy, got out my ballot, the sample ballot, and started looking up everyone to see who I wanted. I answered a few random questions from students wanting to know about what I was doing, explained the election system in the US, and mailed the sucker off a month back.

The sad part is I don't get the I Voted sticker. :(

Because he's a self-rightuous moron who thinks thinks that voting accomplishes nothing but that his sitting on his lazy ass complaining about the system does.

Flame much?

You want to play games in the prison, so be it. Power to you. When we crack the walls & go pouring out, leave us be & we'll do the same. That's all we ask.

But you're not leaving be. You're telling all of us we should be ashamed of voting. So expect to be told similarly unkind things when you inform us you do not vote.

i dnt tink mie voys wuz herd enuf today. teh ppl at teh pole wer nise but ther wer ppl thare i thin wer eval republicans votig. i tryed to stop sa manny as i cood by cutin tirs nd yelig an screeming ta teh chruch but tehg trew me out. i thin ill cal teh ppl to report frod angst me. i shood nt knead id evry tim i tri ot voet! stoopid republian:upyours:
Bad spelling, f-you smilie, outragous statement, obvious name...

Jesh, textbook example, can't you at least try to be creative at trolling?

But you're not leaving be. You're telling all of us we should be ashamed of voting. So expect to be told similarly unkind things when you inform us you do not vote.

Well, I am, actually. Not initially at first, to be sure. It's like when you slap someone to get their attention, I suppose. Here's how it usually goes:

Voter: "Did you vote?"
Me: "No."
Voter: "WHY NOT?!?!"
Me: :::lists reasons, including disbelief in governmental structure & cultural foundations:::
Voter: "You're just lazy! You have no right to anything unless you take part! You should be ashamed of yourself!"
Me: :::sighs:::

And yes, that is a generalization for mild comedic effect. Now, my version, wherein I strike first:

Me: "You should be ashamed of yourself for voting."
Voter: "What? Why should I be ashamed? You can't sit there & tell me that! I did my part! I AM A GOOD CITIZEN!!"
Me: "Yes, but you cannot hope to change the system from within. It is built to resist any such self-restructuring. Your only hope is to abandon it for something that works. This is my goal." (here's where I hope they show interest)
Voter: "You're crazy!/That's no excuse!/You're a TERRORIST!" (Yes, I have gotten the last one before)
Me: "Well..fine. Do as you will. Just remember this next year & every one thereafter."

Well, I am, actually. Not initially at first, to be sure. It's like when you slap someone to get their attention, I suppose. Here's how it usually goes.

I don't care about your misfortunes in trying to convince people that the entire system is hopeless and that they shouldn't bother. I'm sure you can pick up a box of Kleenex at the local drugstore to dry those tears. But to pretend like you've got this big "live and let live" policy when your first comment is that we should be ashamed for participating in democracy is dishonest. To use your analogy, if you slap someone to get their attention, don't be shocked if they hit you back.

I don't care about your misfortunes in trying to convince people that the entire system is hopeless and that they shouldn't bother. I'm sure you can pick up a box of Kleenex at the local drugstore to dry those tears. But to pretend like you've got this big "live and let live" policy when your first comment is that we should be ashamed for participating in democracy is dishonest. To use your analogy, if you slap someone to get their attention, don't be shocked if they hit you back.

:::cocks head::: Who said I was? I fully well expected that sort of a response; it's somewhat necessary for a dialogue on this aspect. It doesn't do to be meek. I smacked "you" before I could be smacked this time around; by Erratic Retaliator, I was due the turn. But civil I have always been. As have others..well, save one. A tad bit more belligerent than need be for having their ideals called into question, but hey...can't predict 'em all.

i dnt tink mie voys wuz herd enuf today. teh ppl at teh pole wer nise but ther wer ppl thare i thin wer eval republicans votig. i tryed to stop sa manny as i cood by cutin tirs nd yelig an screeming ta teh chruch but tehg trew me out. i thin ill cal teh ppl to report frod angst me. i shood nt knead id evry tim i tri ot voet! stoopid republian:upyours:

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I'm impressed you could even interpret that, much less make a decision on rulebreaking. Kudos!

Bad spelling, f-you smilie, outragous statement, obvious name...

Jesh, textbook example, can't you at least try to be creative at trolling?

I think he was going for Ali G. Respect. whateva

I voted absentee because I am stationed overseas. And the only candidate I really cared about won, so yay. :D

It makes me sad to see people forsaking their right to vote. If voting doesn't really change anything then why don't we still have slavery? Why don't we still bar women and blacks from voting? Yes change is slow and difficult, but if enough people believe in a cause, it does work. That's the beauty of representative voting systems. (I don't agree with the electoral college thing these days, but let's not got there for now.)

Whether or not you vote is your own decision and I won't be pompous or self righteous enough to tell you to do one or the other. Just realize that there are people out there putting their lives on the line so you have the ability to make that choice.

I had one of those old school lever voting machines. It made nice sounds.

RUMMMMMMMMBLE KA-CHUNK!

Well, I am, actually. Not initially at first, to be sure. It's like when you slap someone to get their attention, I suppose. Here's how it usually goes:

Voter: "Did you vote?"
Me: "No."
Voter: "WHY NOT?!?!"
Me: :::lists reasons, including disbelief in governmental structure & cultural foundations:::
Voter: "You're just lazy! You have no right to anything unless you take part! You should be ashamed of yourself!"
Me: :::sighs:::

And yes, that is a generalization for mild comedic effect. Now, my version, wherein I strike first:

Me: "You should be ashamed of yourself for voting."
Voter: "What? Why should I be ashamed? You can't sit there & tell me that! I did my part! I AM A GOOD CITIZEN!!"
Me: "Yes, but you cannot hope to change the system from within. It is built to resist any such self-restructuring. Your only hope is to abandon it for something that works. This is my goal." (here's where I hope they show interest)
Voter: "You're crazy!/That's no excuse!/You're a TERRORIST!" (Yes, I have gotten the last one before)
Me: "Well..fine. Do as you will. Just remember this next year & every one thereafter."

I don't understand how not voting changes the system. Can't you vote and change the system even if you can't kill both birds with the same stone?

I don't understand how not voting changes the system. Can't you vote and change the system even if you can't kill both birds with the same stone?

I suppose that's possible, however I would venture to opine that the energy needed to do so is not worth it. Politics is a major endeavor. To make the "correct" chocie requires research of issues, of candidates, of histories, current trends, popular beliefs, examination of short-term trends & long-term consequences. It's daunting. However, if you know that the system is broken from the beginning, wouldn't you rather utilize that energy in a search for a methodology that was proven to work without fail, without problem? I know I would, & do.

Let's put it another way. You purchase a car & soon after, it started to require repairs. well, that's OK, it's getting on & you expected this. Then more repairs are needed, & then repairs to the repairs are required, & soon repairs to THOSE repairs are needed. Pretty soon, you have a vehicle that require constant upkeep & is forever being mended & patched. At some point, you realize & decide that the time, energy, & financial expenditure for keeping it going is not worth the benefits. What then? You go out & you buy another car. Eventually, the process repeats itself.

But suppose that second car didn't require all those "fix-its"? Suppose that the car worked better & more efficiently because it utilized principles that had been cast aside for supposed "better advancements?" To keep with the automotive analogy, let's say this new vehicle has no electronic ignition. This isn't a big thing; any car made before 1975 didn't have them. Now they all do. Suppose that ignition turned out to be a major source of all automotive problems? Now you have a vehicle that uses a good old-fashioned starter--proven technology, technology that has tested out--& so now while others are bemoaning the deaths of their vehicles & still tossing money towards it, still patching it, still mending it, there you are chugging along in your time-tested proven starter-powered car.

What was your voting experience like this time?

I went after work. It was more crowded than usual, and the voting machines everyone's been talking about weren't there. Not even the punch machines that I've always used. I used ye olde paper ballots and a dark pen to fill the ovals.

Hell yeah, same here, Thank god some people in this nation still have sense to use the good ol' paper ballots.

My precinct polling place was pretty empty. No lines, no fuss, no confussion about the ballots, no problems at all. Based on my experience today I really don't understand where people get the idea that the polls are overflowing with disenfranchised voters and the elections are being rigged.

Vote early, vote often. That's what I always say. I really do. It irritates the hell out of my friends and family.


Because in some areas, they are crowded. Evidently not yours. Your precinct isn't all precincts.

Flame much?

Yep.

Got my ballot in the mail, I filled it out with a Mirado Black Warrior pencil, which I sharpened twice in the process. I guzzled two homebrews, slapped it into the envelope, stuck the postage on it and sent it on its merry way.

there was no line. i sat in the corner and did my voting using the old paper and pen. finished. handed it in and left.

I am proud to say that I did not vote today. And to those of you who did, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Only if you voted for an elected official or for ballot initiatives/referendums/amendments which violate the rights of the individual.

I only voted on 2 items: against the gay marriage ban and against the death penalty.

Small line as I left work early. In the morning there were about 100 people in line.

I took my girl so she could see what was going on and I let her pick my options. :) touch screen and all. She was fascinated by the paper trail printing on the side.

Overall not bad.

I sent in an absentee ballot about two weeks ago. :D No lines for me.

Went to my polling place after work, an got my ballot all the booths were full so I just sat on a bench and filled it out.

Well, first, they changed our polling location. (My wife and I are Republicans, so don't go all conspiracy theory on me) We're not sure just where it is, but we figure we can't miss it with all the people around. Anyway, my wife was running late for work (I work at home) so we agree to go vote when she gets off. Anyway, to make a long story short, we never found the place because by the time she got home, the polls were almost closed and everyone had gone home.
But it worked out, as we were set to vote against Santorum anyway.

Gigantic Ballots!

Why should I feel ashamed for not voting? Every year, it's the same thing: I get badgered about it, & when I calmly & rationally explain my reasons, I'm given...well, something like what I quoted below. This year, I went on the offensive with the same tactic. Boy HOWDY, do people get confuserated.
I honestly don't care if you do/don't vote no one said you should. You, however stated that someone should feel ashamed for voting. If you get badgered about it then, I'm sorry but that's too bad. It is annoying when people do nothing to change the system and then sit there complaining about (even if it probably won't what's the harm in trying?). Although you evidently feel you are doing something (you do not identify what) a lot of people who complain about the current government don't. I really do not care about your reasons for stating that someone should be ashamed of themselves for voting for it was unsupported and rude.



Way to make a snap judgement on someone you know dick-all about. For your infomration, I work to undermine the system because it is flawed & inherently lethal for all contained within. Remember what Wavy Gravy said? While you sit & elect tier runners for the prison, I'm tunnelling under & through the wall with re-education, philosophical enlightment for a modern era, & the creation of tools for others so that they may continue the same. The viral multiplicative effect at its best. For every 5 who ridicule me, I get 1 who is interested & wants to hear more. That's all I need. What they then do with that information is their own.

You want to play games in the prison, so be it. Power to you. When we crack the walls & go pouring out, leave us be & we'll do the same. That's all we ask.

He knows that you judged people for voting so what are you doing sitting there feeling that this is wrong and it needs to change? You were rather vague about it all I heard is that you where trying to influence people. What do you expect them to do once you change their mind if you are against voting?

I really do not care about your reasons for stating that someone should be ashamed of themselves for voting for it was unsupported and rude.

After a fashion. Perhaps that will be remembered the next time someone says they haven't voted & has a reason for it. As you said, "If you get badgered about it then, I'm sorry but that's too bad." And to reuse your words, "It is annoying when people do nothing to change the system and then sit there complaining about (it)." It's just as annoying to see people think they can change the system by popping off the body panels & putting on new ones. I can chrome a turd & polish it up all shiny & nice, but under the chrome, it's still a turd.

He knows that you judged people for voting so what are you doing sitting there feeling that this is wrong and it needs to change? You were rather vague about it all I heard is that you where trying to influence people. What do you expect them to do once you change their mind if you are against voting?

The system ITSELF is working perfectly. It's doing exactly what it was created to do, which is to soothe you & whisper in your ear & tell you you are all masters of this world, that it is your destiny to rule it, & that you may do whatsoever you may like because you are accountable to no one. It is designed to be corrupt, to be faulty, to be nothing more than a patchwork collection...because it IS a patchwork collection. It's the latest in a series of attempts to create a replacement for a system that was voluntarily tossed aside despite its having worked perfectly & without fail for millions of, nay billions of years.

The system you have in place now is based on the premise of "the world would be perfect if only people were BETTER." If they were BETTER senators, BETTER governors, BETTER generals, BETTER presidents, BETTER kings, BETTER teachers, BETTER judges, BETTER clergy. If they were BETTER than what they are, which is human. The system is designed to identify the flaws & the problems in humanity, then hold them up for ridicule & lesson-making; "This person failed because you expected him to be BETTER than this, & he wasn't, so he is bad."

This is in contradiction to the system that was tossed aside, one that is still being used in isolated pockets of the planet despite all attempts to stamp it out. This older system works on the premis that people are PEOPLE. They are flawed. They get greedy, angry, mopey, whiny, horny, sad, depressed, happy, hungry, all the things that people get. However, instead of pushing people to be BETTER than they are in hopes of a shiny new utopia, it deals with people as they ARE. It does not admonish them by saying "This would work if only you'd be BETTER"; it works with them by saying "This is how your are & we can use that to your best advantage."

When I say "culture" or "system," I do not mean America or Britain, or Russia, or China or the Islamic world or Judaism or New Yorkers or Sydneyites or Berliners. I mean ALL of them. It's ALL ONE SINGLE CULTURE. It's all based on the same ideas, the same concepts. That is why I can move from New York to Brussels, or Shanghai to Kinshasa, or Lahore to Reykjavik. It's all the same. Yes, there are small local variances, but the operating principles are all the same.

By contrast, a Bushman cannot up & move to Nunavut to become an Inuit. An Alawa member in Australia cannot become a Yakut, & a Kreen-Akrore cannot become a Amazonas.

Ponder upon that, & the reasons for it. Then we shall talk.

I broke the polling machine.

It wouldn't take the card and kept telling me my ballot was cancled.

i dnt tink mie voys wuz herd enuf today. teh ppl at teh pole wer nise but ther wer ppl thare i thin wer eval republicans votig. i tryed to stop sa manny as i cood by cutin tirs nd yelig an screeming ta teh chruch but tehg trew me out. i thin ill cal teh ppl to report frod angst me. i shood nt knead id evry tim i tri ot voet! stoopid republian

:eek:

Wurf?

is that you?

Yesterday I didn't have a car so I was waiting for someone who was supposed to come an pick me up. The Son of a never showed up, I called the someone else and they took me.

45 minute line (it was 6:30) Chatting with the other pollers,
(Gilligion's Island effect in action) Finally got to the vote booth pressed the pretty buttons, and all the people I voted for lost to incumbents. On those I didn't agree with I just left blank.

I showed after work about 4:30pm est. Showed them my drivers license, signed next to my name and went right to the touch screen. No Lines, No hassles, No problems.

Later that night, Charlie Crist was announced the winner for Florida's Governor, woooooooohooooooo

What was your voting experience like this time?

I went after work. It was more crowded than usual, and the voting machines everyone's been talking about weren't there. Not even the punch machines that I've always used. I used ye olde paper ballots and a dark pen to fill the ovals.

I voted my absentee ballot in the middle of last month (linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=503545)). It was four long pages of "complete teh arrow" for your selection. My election day experience... :) I turned off the TV and the computers for a day and shared a day outdoors with my family. I answered no phone calls all day. I didn't even know who had won a single race anywhere until Wednesday morning, when I saw the headline on the newspaper. I went Amish for 30 hours. I should do that EVERY election day.

I mailed my Ballot in. It had squares which I almost just checked before I realized I had to fill them completely. My vote for senate won, but my representative lost to the incumbent. (I'm not surprised, spokane is pretty conservative, even though sometimes it just feels like it wants to be different from Seattle.)

After a fashion. Perhaps that will be remembered the next time someone says they haven't voted & has a reason for it. As you said, "If you get badgered about it then, I'm sorry but that's too bad." And to reuse your words, "It is annoying when people do nothing to change the system and then sit there complaining about (it)." It's just as annoying to see people think they can change the system by popping off the body panels & putting on new ones. I can chrome a turd & polish it up all shiny & nice, but under the chrome, it's still a turd.



The system ITSELF is working perfectly. It's doing exactly what it was created to do, which is to soothe you & whisper in your ear & tell you you are all masters of this world, that it is your destiny to rule it, & that you may do whatsoever you may like because you are accountable to no one. It is designed to be corrupt, to be faulty, to be nothing more than a patchwork collection...because it IS a patchwork collection. It's the latest in a series of attempts to create a replacement for a system that was voluntarily tossed aside despite its having worked perfectly & without fail for millions of, nay billions of years.

The system you have in place now is based on the premise of "the world would be perfect if only people were BETTER." If they were BETTER senators, BETTER governors, BETTER generals, BETTER presidents, BETTER kings, BETTER teachers, BETTER judges, BETTER clergy. If they were BETTER than what they are, which is human. The system is designed to identify the flaws & the problems in humanity, then hold them up for ridicule & lesson-making; "This person failed because you expected him to be BETTER than this, & he wasn't, so he is bad."

This is in contradiction to the system that was tossed aside, one that is still being used in isolated pockets of the planet despite all attempts to stamp it out. This older system works on the premis that people are PEOPLE. They are flawed. They get greedy, angry, mopey, whiny, horny, sad, depressed, happy, hungry, all the things that people get. However, instead of pushing people to be BETTER than they are in hopes of a shiny new utopia, it deals with people as they ARE. It does not admonish them by saying "This would work if only you'd be BETTER"; it works with them by saying "This is how your are & we can use that to your best advantage."

When I say "culture" or "system," I do not mean America or Britain, or Russia, or China or the Islamic world or Judaism or New Yorkers or Sydneyites or Berliners. I mean ALL of them. It's ALL ONE SINGLE CULTURE. It's all based on the same ideas, the same concepts. That is why I can move from New York to Brussels, or Shanghai to Kinshasa, or Lahore to Reykjavik. It's all the same. Yes, there are small local variances, but the operating principles are all the same.

By contrast, a Bushman cannot up & move to Nunavut to become an Inuit. An Alawa member in Australia cannot become a Yakut, & a Kreen-Akrore cannot become a Amazonas.

Ponder upon that, & the reasons for it. Then we shall talk.

So enough with the suspense, quit beating around the bush. What is this "Perfect system" of yours (either here or in another thread) and why is it so perfect. You've alluded to the way things used to be, as well as several tribal societies, and yes, Tribal societies are significantly different from each other. But please, quit blowing your own smoke about the system is just "Whispering in our ears" and tell us what you plan to do about it.

(by the way, did you happen to used to hang around the WOTC D&D forums under the name IAMTHEPALADIN?)

So enough with the suspense, quit beating around the bush. What is this "Perfect system" of yours (either here or in another thread) and why is it so perfect. You've alluded to the way things used to be, as well as several tribal societies, and yes, Tribal societies are significantly different from each other. But please, quit blowing your own smoke about the system is just "Whispering in our ears" and tell us what you plan to do about it.

(by the way, did you happen to used to hang around the WOTC D&D forums under the name IAMTHEPALADIN?)

He referred to a system that worked for millions of years.

The only system that's lasted that long is 'might makes right.'

"How do you expect to change anything/solve any of the world's problems if you DO vote? Voting to change the system is like trying to take off your underwear why still wearing your pants; it doesn't work."

I could do that back when I wore sweatpants. Back to the topic at hand, I'm not planning to vote in the upcoming city council elections because I have no idea who is running, what their platforms are, and I have several projects due that week.
"You're just lazy!"
Brilliant deduction Captain Obvious.

This lady seems to have had quite an experience

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/15960620.htm

Today at work we decided to combine all our lunch monies and then vote on what to get for Lunch.
It was a really hard choice to make.

Today at work we decided to combine all our lunch monies and then vote on what to get for Lunch.
It was a really hard choice to make.

now you understand how hard it is to be a good leader.
Of course, you could follow our president's example, get them to appoint you in charge of buying food, then buy the most expensive meals for yourself and your friends, and get everyone else corndogs.