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Let's gather all the commentary about the various US Senate Elections in this thread. Other threads will be closed or merged.

Celebration is fine, but let's keep gloating, flaming, and all the other usual forum offenses to a minimum.

Thanks.

As in the other thread, does anyone have a list of the battleground elections and key seats needed to have the Senate change hands?

As in the other thread, does anyone have a list of the battleground elections and key seats needed to have the Senate change hands?

Rick Santorum is running for his life in Pennsylvania and is generally expected to have time on his hands come January. There's the Lieberman race in Connecticut, should be interesting if he wins. And Lincoln Chaffee's race in Rhode Island is being looked at as a bellwether.

Rick Santorum is running for his life in Pennsylvania and is generally expected to have time on his hands come January. There's the Lieberman race in Connecticut, should be interesting if he wins. And Lincoln Chaffee's race in Rhode Island is being looked at as a bellwether.

Lieberman WILL win, but it won't matter much as he's already said he'll caucus with the democrats.

As in the other thread, does anyone have a list of the battleground elections and key seats needed to have the Senate change hands?

The following Races

Virginia - Allen (R) and Webb (D) are in an almost statistical tie (some polls show Webb up by as much as 8 points, others show Allen up by as much as 3). Voter turnout is apparently equal to that of a presedential year. Allen is the fellow who called the guy a "Macaca" and is withholding arrest records. My guess is that (Because of turnout and the Dems GoTV campaign) Webb pulls in a win.

Tennessee- Bob Corker (R) leads Harold Ford Jr. (D) by between 3 and 10 points, in different polls. This one will go to the 'Pubs, I think.

Maryland - Cardin (D) leads Steele (R) with a fairly comfortable lead. I expect this to go Dem.

Missouri - A close race between McCaskill (D) and Talent (R), shows McCaskill up by a few. This one ought to go Dem, but I'm not counting my ducks before they hatch.

Connecticut - Three way race where Joe Lieberman (Connecticut for Sore-Loserman), Ned Lamont (D), and Alan Sleschinger (iRrelevant) are running. Liberman carries 46 percent of the vote, Lamont carries 38, and Sleschinger carries 6, IIRC. Because of the way the ballot is set up, Sore-Loserboy may be in trouble. Lamont internals show things looking good for him.

Ohio - Brown (D) leads Dewine (R), comfortably. However, there have been many irregularities today in Ohio, so we'll see what happens.

Montana - Tester (D) leads Burns (R) by a couple points. However, Montana is red country, so there's no guarentee. Totall tossup, IMO.

Michigan - Stabenow (D) has a big advantege over Bouchard (R). This goes to the dems.

Penn - Santorum (R), the incumbent, trails Casey (D) by as much as 13 or 14 in some polls. This goes to the dems.

My prediction?

The senate goes 50-49-1, in favor of the dems, when Sore-Loserman feels like it.

FIRST RESULTS:

CNN projects Vermont independent Bernie Sanders -- who says he will caucus with Democrats -- will win Senate seat

CNN declares that Indiana has gone red. Fair, since the incumbant ran unopposed.

CNN declares that Indiana has gone red. Fair, since the incumbant ran unopposed.

really? they show that Osborn got 13% of the votes.

predictions now that republicans have won a seat, independants have won a seat. The independant from vermont will caucus with the democrats.

neither republicans nor independants have gained seats.

http://www.cnn.com/

Dems:
Reps: 1
Indies: 1

Senator Robert Byrd is projected to win in W. Va.

http://www.cnn.com/

Dems:
Reps: 1
Indies: 1



I don't trust CNN as far as I can throw it. I will wait for a better source than them.

Holy shit. Is this real? The Republicans are maintaining the senate so far?

Holy shit. Is this real? The Republicans are maintaining the senate so far?

ummm....huh?

only 3 senate elections out of 33 are predictable, and so far no change has happened in the total numbers.

less than 10% of the seats have been decided, right now it's just as it was, but the key races haven't been reported yet.

as of right now, Santorum has lost from the information I have gotten.
This is not official.

Holy shit. Is this real? The Republicans are maintaining the senate so far?

Isn't the senate traditionally heavily GOP dominant?

I don't trust CNN as far as I can throw it. I will wait for a better source than them.

well, I'm meandering between CNN, Foxnews, and msnbc and only reporting it when all three confirm it. but feel free to post your own tallies. :cool:

CNN projects Vermont independent Bernie Sanders -- who says he will caucus with Democrats -- will win Senate seat

and it should be mentioned that:
1) an independent has replaced an independent in the senate for, like, the first time in recorded history, and
2) there is now someone who identifies as a socialist in the senate

Isn't the senate traditionally heavily GOP dominant?

no

Holy shit. Is this real? The Republicans are maintaining the senate so far?

Relax, polls have just ended only an hour ago. It is impossible to tell the winners are this point.

Ford will lose. It was lost weeks ago.

Senator Robert Byrd is projected to win in W. Va.
And in other news, the sun is projected to rise in the east tomorrow.


(WVa won't get rid of the Pork King that easily. I bet he wins at least one term after his death.)

(WVa won't get rid of the Pork King that easily. I bet he wins at least one term after his death.)

he could pull a jeremy bentham, and stay in office indefinitely

as of right now, Santorum has lost from the information I have gotten.
This is not official.

Ah, then who can we count on to be so batshit as to become a name for a sexual act's aftermath...well, we have that Alaska "Internet is a series of tubes" guy...

Totally not related to anything, but my polling area just across the street just got cleared and the life line helicopter is landing there...hmm....

Ah, then who can we count on to be so batshit as to become a name for a sexual act's aftermath...well, we have that Alaska "Internet is a series of tubes" guy...You know whats sad? As much as I deplore Santorum, I actually have to be upset about him losing. What a bitch.

Totally not related to anything, but my polling area just across the street just got cleared and the life line helicopter is landing there...hmm....

Election day is a very dangerous day [/rocko]

Santorums loss should be coming through on CNN and Fox within a few minutes.

Ohio is now being predicted as a pick up for democrats. This is the first senate pickup for the democrat party.

Virginia has remained extreemly close...

The Republicans will retain the Senate. The Democrats have to run the table on all of the close races. It looks like Ford will lose in Tennessee.

The House on the other hand will likely go Democrat. I can deal with that. The Senate is where the true power is. They confirm supreme court justices, judges, and cabinet officials. They also can shoot down any crap passed up by Pelosi.

And in other news, the sun is projected to rise in the east tomorrow.


(WVa won't get rid of the Pork King that easily. I bet he wins at least one term after his death.)

I usually don't hold hateful feelings towards politicians, but Mr. KKK is an exception. That racist fucker can burn.:gundge:

Santorums loss should be coming through on CNN and Fox within a few minutes.

*gets party hats ready*

I find it interesting Liberman is losing so far.

I find it interesting Liberman is losing so far.

All polls had him leading well. My guess is that the precincts in now are from very liberal areas.

*gets party hats ready*

Done now, projected santorum has lost.

Dems now up 2 seats in senate.

Done now, projected santorum has lost.

Dems now up 2 seats in senate.

They haven't run the projections yet, but Ford is losing by a big margin according to the returns at this point.

Best case scenario for dems in Senate is 50-50 split, but Republicans retain a majority as Cheney is the tie breaker.

*gets party hats ready*

ugh...hardly. As glad as I am that he won, I can call I won't be getting any sleep.

this is gonna be a shitty night.....:(

And in other news, the sun is projected to rise in the east tomorrow.


(WVa won't get rid of the Pork King that easily. I bet he wins at least one term after his death.)

Meh I just saw it on the news so i felt like posting it

Lieberman beats Ned Lament! Apparently you can't buy a Senate seat.

Lieberman beats Ned Lament! Apparently you can't buy a Senate seat.

Or, ya know...appeal to the majority of a state. CT, despite what many seem to think, is not 100% democrat...he appealed to the republicans (20% of the state) and independents (40% of the state), as well as doing decently well among dems (also 40% of the state).

Amazing what happens when you keep the major employers of a state in business (Groton sub base, GE, UTC, Stanley, and insurance)

I usually don't hold hateful feelings towards politicians, but Mr. KKK is an exception. That racist fucker can burn.:gundge:

you guys need to update your scripts.

Or, ya know...appeal to the majority of a state. CT, despite what many seem to think, is not 100% democrat...he appealed to the republicans (20% of the state) and independents (40% of the state), as well as doing decently well among dems (also 40% of the state).

Amazing what happens when you keep the major employers of a state in business (Groton sub base, GE, UTC, Stanley, and insurance)

I know. I think the CT Democrats should be held in shame for trying to dump him after saving Groton from the BRAC.

So far it seems all democrat tonight. Im quite surprised.

you guys need to update your scripts.

Being a drunk, or using drugs, or frequenting brothels are all youthful indiscretions. Donning sheets and burning crosses is not.

So far it seems all democrat tonight. Im quite surprised.

plesently

So far it seems all democrat tonight. Im quite surprised.

Not really, the close senate seats that haven't been called yet seem to be going Republican.

The Dems will gain at best 4 seats. That will give a 51-49 Senate.

Joe lieberman has won senate seat as an independant. This is technically a loss of a democratic seat, however since lieberman will caucus with the dems, it makes little difference.

Counting both independants as democrat caucauses the senate is now:

Republican total of 44 seats, down 2
Democrats total of 44 seats, up 2 (technically they have 42 seats, up 1, and there are 2 independants, up 1).

12 seats remaining

The two senate seats republicans considered possible to pick up, NJ and Maryland, have both been projected to be held by the Democrats.

Not really, the close senate seats that haven't been called yet seem to be going Republican.

The Dems will gain at best 4 seats. That will give a 51-49 Senate.
What about VA? That one, according to NPR, has a 10 vote reported gap. Not 10%, 10. As in dead tie.

Not really, the close senate seats that haven't been called yet seem to be going Republican.

The Dems will gain at best 4 seats. That will give a 51-49 Senate.

virginia is a statistical tie at this point, impossible to tell.

Joe lieberman has won senate seat as an independant. This is technically a loss of a democratic seat, however since lieberman will caucus with the dems, it makes little difference.

except that if it matters numbers-wise, the fash will give him a nice committee to run if he joins them. and he will take them up on it.

What about VA? That one, according to NPR, has a 10 vote reported gap. Not 10%, 10. As in dead tie.

CNN shows it to be a bigger lead for the Republicans.

It looks like Ford is gone! That one will soon be called.

Being a drunk, or using drugs, or frequenting brothels are all youthful indiscretions. Donning sheets and burning crosses is not.

except, of course, that that misrepresents things entirely.

NPR says Sherrod Brown beat DeWine for the Senate seat. WOOT!!!

except that if it matters numbers-wise, the fash will give him a nice committee to run if he joins them. and he will take them up on it.

If it comes down to a tie, Lieberman will swing to democrat caucus, he said he would already.

except, of course, that that misrepresents things entirely.

How so? That cocksucker was in the Ku Klux Klan? You can't spin that to be good by any stretch of the imagination.

What do we know about Whitehouse/Chafee?

It seems that exit polls favor Whitehouse, but we have seen how that goes.

Not really, the close senate seats that haven't been called yet seem to be going Republican.

The Dems will gain at best 4 seats. That will give a 51-49 Senate.

they've already won four seats I far as I can tell. Including PA, MD, and OH.

NPR says Sherrod Brown beat DeWine for the Senate seat. WOOT!!!

cnn says the same, rhode island switches from R to D.

they've already won four seats I far as I can tell. Including PA, MD, and OH.

Maryland was not a pickup, it stayed Dem. It was a potential switch, it did not (along with NJ)

Dems have picked up PA, OH, and RI.

If it comes down to a tie, Lieberman will swing to democrat caucus, he said he would already.

he says lots of things

they've already won four seats I far as I can tell. Including PA, MD, and OH.

They did not win MD; the seat Cardin won was held by another Democrat, Sarbanes, who retired.

I was actually rather surprised that Steele managed to put up a fight.

cnn says the same, rhode island switches from R to D.

Apparently Strickland will also be our new governor. Go Dems! :)

except, of course, that that misrepresents things entirely.

How?

He joined the Klan, I cannot, in good conscience, support anyone who has ever been a member of that bunch of scum.

Dems pick up in RI. Chaffees out

Apparently Strickland will also be our new governor. Go Dems! :)

More like go competence.

Blackwell was deserted by nearly half of his party, because we all knew that he was a screwup, a vicious politican and possibly a crook.

So far it seems all democrat tonight. Im quite surprised.

Just wait, I'm sure something foul will happen.

Just wait, I'm sure something foul will happen.

hard to say...

every close race between them has swung democract so far. Every one that was too close to be called before today has come up democract, except for virginia, which is still too close.

How so? That cocksucker was in the Ku Klux Klan? You can't spin that to be good by any stretch of the imagination.

nor would i intend to. i just find it difficult to see the point in saying "oh yeah, well back before the start of the cold war, this dude did bad shit. nevermind that the naacp keeps giving him 100% ratings on their legislation scorecards..."

it sorta just makes you look stupid.

More like go competence.

Blackwell was deserted by nearly half of his party, because we all knew that he was a screwup, a vicious politican and possibly a crook.

You could tell he was getting desperate as his attacks against Strickland grew more vicious and he brought out his daughter to say how great he is. :rolleyes:

Hm. NPR is only projecting two dem pickups so far. They're really conservative in their calling, I guess.

They need six pickups to control with Lieberman on their caucus.

Glad Ohio is showing its displeasure. Something needed to give there after 2004.

How?

He joined the Klan, I cannot, in good conscience, support anyone who has ever been a member of that bunch of scum.

Why do you care?

What matters is how he votes. He's running for Senate, not for sainthood.

nor would i intend to. i just find it difficult to see the point in saying "oh yeah, well back before the start of the cold war, this dude did bad shit. nevermind that the naacp keeps giving him 100% ratings on their legislation scorecards..."

it sorta just makes you look stupid.

The NAALCP does that because they are a liberal organization that will gladly sell its soul to elect a racist democrat like Byrd over a black republican.

He joined the Klan, I cannot, in good conscience, support anyone who has ever been a member of that bunch of scum.

on the other hand, you can support people who consistently get worse ratings on race relations now?

You could tell he was getting desperate as his attacks against Strickland grew more vicious and he brought out his daughter to say how great he is. :rolleyes:

Not only that, but Strickland is an exceptional candidate. I can't believe the low quality candidates the D's ran in Ohio in the two previous gubernatorial elections. It's really surprising. I mean, fuck, they lost to Bob Taft twice, TWICE.

Gotta run. so I'll say Congrats to all of you who backed the winning candidates, and Better luck next time for those who's candidates lost.


Democracy in action... I LOVE IT! :D

better than any sport in my book. :D :D

on the other hand, you can support people who consistently get worse ratings on race relations now?

Who do I support that gets worse ratings on race relations? Please, tell me?

I'm mildly worried that the same thing that happened in the 2004 Pres. elections (a Dem. win predicted, a Repub. victory the outcome) might just happen....


But what do I know...I'm not American or sober.

The NAALCP does that because they are a liberal organization that will gladly sell its soul to elect a racist democrat like Byrd over a black republican.

ah yes, i'm sure that explains it...

Not only that, but Strickland is an exceptional candidate. I can't believe the low quality candidates the D's ran in Ohio in the two previous gubernatorial elections. It's really surprising. I mean, fuck, they lost to Bob Taft twice, TWICE.

I think they didn't even try. Thought Ohio was too solidly red or something. But now we've made up for it. Let's see if the other states were as smart as Ohio voters. :)

I'm mildly worried that the same thing that happened in the 2004 Pres. elections (a Dem. win predicted, a Repub. victory the outcome) might just happen....
Yeah, pretty much.


But what do I know...I'm not American or sober.
Seriously, you rock.

Right now, it comes down to four races for the Senate.

The Republicans must win three to maintain 50 seats.

The races are:

Virginia
Allen (R) - 50%
Webb (D) - 49%
82% Reporting

Tennessee
Corker (R) - 51%
Ford (D) - 48%
34% Reporting

Missouri
Talent (R) - 53%
McCaskill (D) -44%
7% Reporting

Talent had a 49%-48% advantage in yesterday's polling data.

Montana
Tester (D)
Burns (R)
0% Reporting

Tester lead by a couple points in yesterday's polling data, but his lead had been dropping.


I am guessing that, without some good luck, it will be 50-48-2, with the two independents on the dems side, but our dear old vice president breaking the stalemate for the republicans.

Too early to call any of those. Go, Webb, go!

Too early to call any of those. Go, Webb, go!

I am thinking the Republicans will take Virginia and Tennessee, while the democrats will take Montana.

That leaves Missouri, which may be extremely close, deciding the balance of power in the senate.

Yeah, pretty much.

Even the BBC (apparently massively liberal) are reckoning that might be the case (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/katty_kay/2006/11/premature_celebration.html)

Seriously, you rock.

Is it the non-Americanness, or is it the non-soberness? :p

Webb is getting the votes from Norfolk and Newport News. I guess the Navy families and Shipyard workers want both of their Senators to be ex-SecNavs.

Still think Webb loses.

Too early to call any of those. Go, Webb, go!

Especially MO and possibly Tenn.

VA looks down to the wire too close to call though.

Or, ya know...appeal to the majority of a state. CT, despite what many seem to think, is not 100% democrat...he appealed to the republicans (20% of the state) and independents (40% of the state), as well as doing decently well among dems (also 40% of the state).

Amazing what happens when you keep the major employers of a state in business (Groton sub base, GE, UTC, Stanley, and insurance)

Exactly right. I'm an Independent, and Joe got my vote.

I can only hope that the republicans win, because if the dems take both we as a nation are in for some very tough 2 years. All the dems will do is block Bush and harass him, nothing will get done and I repeat nothing. Remember how the Republicans pestered Bill Clinton? Its that all over again times 20.

I can only hope that the republicans win, because if the dems take both we as a nation are in for some very tough 2 years. All the dems will do is block Bush and harass him, nothing will get done and I repeat nothing. Remember how the Republicans pestered Bill Clinton? Its that all over again times 20.
Actually, the country did very well with a Democratic president and Republican senate. I prefer the mixed combination - then the checks and balances actually check and balance.

I can only hope that the republicans win, because if the dems take both we as a nation are in for some very tough 2 years. All the dems will do is block Bush and harass him, nothing will get done and I repeat nothing. Remember how the Republicans pestered Bill Clinton? Its that all over again times 20.

Some of the stupid shit that bush has been trying to push through… It might be BEST if nothing were done. At least it would slow him down from fucking up stuff.

I can only hope that the republicans win, because if the dems take both we as a nation are in for some very tough 2 years. All the dems will do is block Bush and harass him, nothing will get done and I repeat nothing.

This is a bad thing? Stopping Bush would be an amazingly postive accomplishment.

The 2 posters comments more than explain my irritation with america these days. There is nothing good about blocking people and getting nothing done, that type of crap is why america is hands down the worst nation in the industrialized world....Scratch that, we are the worst nation in the world period. America makes me violently sick!

This is a bad thing? Stopping Bush would be an amazingly postive accomplishment.

I agree. Also I'm happy Brown won our Senate race. Hope other states follow suit...

I can only hope that the republicans win, because if the dems take both we as a nation are in for some very tough 2 years. All the dems will do is block Bush and harass him, nothing will get done and I repeat nothing. Remember how the Republicans pestered Bill Clinton? Its that all over again times 20.

Are you kidding? That was GREAT! That was the system working.

There is nothing good about blocking people and getting nothing done

unless the thing to be blocked is rape, murder, torture, warmongering, fascism, etc.

The 2 posters comments more than explain my irritation with america these days. There is nothing good about blocking people and getting nothing done, that type of crap is why america is hands down the worst nation in the industrialized world....Scratch that, we are the worst nation in the world period. America makes me violently sick!

It's comments like this that make me lose faith in the human race....... We are messed up I know. coughcoughBush. But would you rather live in Iraq?

Jesus Christ, now I know why people are so interested in sports - I'm antsy as a mother fucker waiting to see who takes the senate.

The 2 posters comments more than explain my irritation with america these days. There is nothing good about blocking people and getting nothing done, that type of crap is why america is hands down the worst nation in the industrialized world....Scratch that, we are the worst nation in the world period. America makes me violently sick!

That is part of the reason… the other part is stupid decisions.

Personally having a tough time getting decisions through is better then easily making bad decisions.

The republicans have allowed this president to easily make horrible decisions. Time to try something else then letting the idiot roam free.

95% of Virginia precincts are in. Allen's lead of 30,000 votes has remained constant as they've updated precincts. It looks likely that the Dems will lose in Virginia.

Corker has a safe lead in Tennessee. It is just a matter of time before that gets called. Same for Talent in Missouri

Looks like the Senate will remain Republican.

Exit polls are giving Missouri and Montana to the democrats, which, if that and slim republican leads in Virginia and Tennessee hold up, brings the numbers to 49-49-2, which means slight control of the Senate for dems, depending on what side of the aisle Joe Lieberman decides to be on that day.

The 2 posters comments more than explain my irritation with america these days. There is nothing good about blocking people and getting nothing done, that type of crap is why america is hands down the worst nation in the industrialized world....Scratch that, we are the worst nation in the world period. America makes me violently sick!

If it comes to government deadlock or making it easy for Bush to put through his awful legislation then the choice is easy. Besides, simply having the Dems in control of Congress and the GOP in the White House ins't going to shut Washington down. That would be an exaggeration.

95% of Virginia precincts are in. Allen's lead of 30,000 votes has remained constant as they've updated precincts. It looks likely that the Dems will lose in Virginia.

Unfortunately. I fucking hate Virginia.

Jesus Christ, now I know why people are so interested in sports - I'm antsy as a mother fucker waiting to see who takes the senate.
Same here. I've decided I've stayed up this long, I might as well wait until it's over. It's 3.50am here. Fortunately, the only thing I have to do tomorrow is go out and get the paper...and I can probably do that before I go to bed...

Bit curious as to the CNN totals so far - they've got it as 46/45 Rep/Dem, with no Independents...even though I swear earlier they had two Indies there - which would put it the same as NPR (46/43/2 Rep/Dem/Indy). It's too much for my tired brain to comprehend.

It's comments like this that make me lose faith in the human race....... We are messed up I know. coughcoughBush. But would you rather live in Iraq?



:rolleyes:


Yup, not likeing people who support wasting time is always a bad thing. Keep proving my point that america is indeed a waste.

Exit polls are giving Missouri and Montana to the democrats, which, if that and slim republican leads in Virginia and Tennessee hold up, brings the numbers to 49-49-2, which means slight control of the Senate for dems, depending on what side of the aisle Joe Lieberman decides to be on that day.

Actually, the Senate would be 50-48-2,if I'm doing the numbers right that is. So it is basically 50-50 with Cheney breaking the tie.

All the Republicans have to do is win Virginia and Tennessee to retain control.

Same here. I've decided I've stayed up this long, I might as well wait until it's over. It's 3.50am here. Fortunately, the only thing I have to do tomorrow is go out and get the paper...and I can probably do that before I go to bed...

Bit curious as to the CNN totals so far - they've got it as 46/45 Rep/Dem, with no Independents...even though I swear earlier they had two Indies there - which would put it the same as NPR (46/43/2 Rep/Dem/Indy). It's too much for my tired brain to comprehend.CNN is putting the Independents with the Dems as they both vote with the Dems.

If it comes to government deadlock or making it easy for Bush to put through his awful legislation then the choice is easy. Besides, simply having the Dems in control of Congress and the GOP in the White House ins't going to shut Washington down. That would be an exaggeration.


Be about the same, nothing will get done. They will just waste more time than usual.

CNN is putting the Independents with the Dems as they both vote with the Dems.
I see. But why put them separately to start with then?

CNN is putting the Independents with the Dems as they both vote with the Dems.

Understandable. The goal isn't so much to make democrats the majority, but to make sure the republicans -AREN'T- the majority.

Be about the same, nothing will get done. They will just waste more time than usual.

I consider everything Bush wants to do a waste of time. Keeping him from wasting time and wasting lives is on top priority.

Understandable. The goal isn't so much to make democrats the majority, but to make sure the republicans -AREN'T- the majority.

That's not going to happen. Tennessee and Virginia will both likely go Republican. I bet MO does too.

Exit polls are giving Missouri and Montana to the democrats, which, if that and slim republican leads in Virginia and Tennessee hold up, brings the numbers to 49-49-2, which means slight control of the Senate for dems, depending on what side of the aisle Joe Lieberman decides to be on that day.

The Missouri Dem is behind by about 7 points at the moment, is that expected to change?

The dems have unofficially taken the house, according to CNN.

I consider everything Bush wants to do a waste of time. Keeping him from wasting time and wasting lives is on top priority.



Gotta love american logic.

Gotta love american logic.

Yes, stopping Bush from getting his agenda through is very logical.

The dems have unofficially taken the house, according to CNN.
NPR gives them 16 seat pickups. Unless the Republicans get some pickups - and they're expected to get none - that gives the House to the Democrats.

The senate will have to wait until the cows come home. It'll be another tight Senate.

The dems have unofficially taken the house, according to CNN.



I hope thats wrong.

Gotta love american logic.

I'm sorry, where are you from, then?

Yes, stopping Bush from getting his agenda through is very logical.


Because any agenda that isn't a left wing one is always bad....

Gotta love american logic.

Apparently

I know you are sarcastic but you really have failed at showing it illogical so the sting of the sarcasm really is not there.
Ill break it down even simpler for you

Wasting time BAD

Most of bushes initiatives, which have a tendency to hurt this country: BAD

Actively hurting the country is worse then wasting time.

Simple as that … I am not saying it is a GOOD thing … just better then letting him roam free.

That is assuming there is a total deadlock

Not something that you have shown either, just made some vague unsubstantiated claims.

I'm sorry, where are you from, then?


The worst state in the worst empire in history.

Virginia is within 7000 votes.

Talk about a nail biter!

Apparently

I know you are sarcastic but you really have failed at showing it illogical so the sting of the sarcasm really is not there.
Ill break it down even simpler for you

Wasting time BAD

Most of bushes initiatives, which have a tendency to hurt this country: BAD

Actively hurting the country is worse then wasting time.

Simple as that … I am not saying it is a GOOD thing … just better then letting him roam free.

That is assuming there is a total deadlock

Not something that you have shown either, just made some vague unsubstantiated claims.


What you think hurts the country and what others think are two different things. There are two sides to every coin, it just happen that coin is the coin of stupidity, no matter what you get it is bad for you....Yes, Thats means I hate both parties.

Because any agenda that isn't a left wing one is always bad....

I suppose anything not right wing is bad? Hopefully with Dems in control of at least the House Bush will concede on things like the minimum wage and Iraq. He'll have no choice.

Yes, but I think we've got the final Senate - 52-46-2. The Republicans hang on in the Senate, but they're toast in the House. This means Bush will be checked somewhat for the next two years.

It's hard to turn over the Senate. 2008 isn't unlikely, though.

Yes, but I think we've got the final Senate - 52-46-2.

Where do you get that?

God this is sooooo tense!!!!!!!!

I'm so nervous!

95% of Virginia precincts are in. Allen's lead of 30,000 votes has remained constant as they've updated precincts. It looks likely that the Dems will lose in Virginia.
According to CNN, Webb's now only 7,000 behind now with 98% reported.

What you think hurts the country and what others think are two different things. There are two sides to every coin, it just happen that coin is the coin of stupidity, no matter what you get it is bad for you....Yes, Thats means I hate both parties.

I can agree with disliking two parties, which is why I voted independent for a lot of things on the ballot. But at some point I had to pick the lesser of two evils. And allowing that man free roam was defiantly the greater of them.

And while I agree with this statement I don’t see how you jump from “It depends on what you think hurts the country” to your broad stereotype of “American logic” one is a reasonable position the other is an idiotic stereotype that is un befitting of someone at least apparently claiming the side of logic.

Yes, but I think we've got the final Senate - 52-46-2. The Republicans hang on in the Senate, but they're toast in the House. This means Bush will be checked somewhat for the next two years.

It's hard to turn over the Senate. 2008 isn't unlikely, though.

Thank god for that ... Something standing in his way

Yes, but I think we've got the final Senate - 52-46-2. The Republicans hang on in the Senate, but they're toast in the House. This means Bush will be checked somewhat for the next two years.

It's hard to turn over the Senate. 2008 isn't unlikely, though.

The GOP might end up having only nominal control. The Independents will likely vote with the Dems. The race in VA, which looks like it'll come to a recount, could be all-important.

Exactly right. I'm an Independent, and Joe got my vote.
yeah, I'm registered dem, but only because I want to vote in primaries

Where do you get that?
It's a guess. The remaining Senate races all had Republican leads, and I was feeling pessimistic. I think at best we have 51-47-2.

The GOP might end up having only nominal control. The Independents will likely vote with the Dems. The race in VA, which looks like it'll come to a recount, could be all-important.

Yeah I'm hoping they'll ask for a recount. It's a 1% difference with, what, a 3% margin of error?

I suppose anything not right wing is bad? Hopefully with Dems in control of at least the House Bush will concede on things like the minimum wage and Iraq. He'll have no choice.

No worries, the republicans still have enough power to block you there, and should. Democrats idea of minimum wage is higher than it should be, there is no way small business can pay what the dems want, I don't mind a fair wagem but you have to consider small business and if they can pay it or not,most can't.

As for Iraq, its not going well, but dems pretty much want to cut and run. That is NOT a good idea. I am all for getting out asap, but cutting and running is not the answer. But as I said, the republicans can and will block you.

The worst state in the worst empire in history.

Oklahoma?

Kidding, kidding.

Well, at least the Republicans lost one house of Congress. That at least means everything and anything they want to do isn't left completely unchecked.

Really, though, I hate partison politics. If I had the chance, I'd go back in time and kill off Van Buren for pretty much making it what it is today.

The dems have unofficially taken the house, according to CNN.what I want to see is FOXnews.. ;)

No worries, the republicans still have enough power to block you there, and should. Democrats idea of minimum wage is higher than it should be, there is no way small business can pay what the dems want, I don't mind a fair wagem but you have to consider small business and if they can pay it or not,most can't.

As for Iraq, its not going well, but dems pretty much want to cut and run. That is NOT a good idea. I am all for getting out asap, but cutting and running is not the answer. But as I said, the republicans can and will block you.

Well you have exaggerations here of course. Negotiation for the minimum wage will have to occur and there will be some kind of increase finally. As for Iraq if you are going to bring out that stupid "cut and run" line I don't think I should bother responding.

As for Iraq, its not going well, but dems pretty much want to cut and run. That is NOT a good idea. I am all for getting out asap, but cutting and running is not the answer. But as I said, the republicans can and will block you.

Well, it's pretty much the public opinion, and the opinion of most Iraqis as well, to just get out as soon as possible.

Wouldn't be good to necessarily pull out immediately, but we need a better plan than the policy of throwing sticks at them, thinking that it will help when it hasn't worked in the past.

what I want to see is FOXnews.. ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227961,00.html

Oklahoma?

Kidding, kidding.

Well, at least the Republicans lost one house of Congress. That at least means everything and anything they want to do isn't left completely unchecked.

Really, though, I hate partison politics. If I had the chance, I'd go back in time and kill off Van Buren for pretty much making it what it is today.


Wait until 08, you will have the blue version.

Yeah I'm hoping they'll ask for a recount. It's a 1% difference with, what, a 3% margin of error?

According to VA law, with a difference that small, a recount must be granted if one of the candidates requests it.

Well you have exaggerations here of course. Negotiation for the minimum wage will have to occur and there will be some kind of increase finally. As for Iraq if you are going to bring out that stupid "cut and run" line I don't think I should bother responding.


I wouldn't use that line if it wasn't true. Dems do want to cut and run, its just a sad fact.

Wait until 08, you will have the blue version.

Heh, I hate both parties, really. I vote based on how I agree with the person, not the party. Unfortunately, even if I agree with what they say/have done, often times there is still far to much prevalent party politics. I think the reds need to be taken down a notch, for the time being. They've had complete power for to long. I wouldn't like the Dems having full power, though just to make clear. It's an endless see-saw.

I wouldn't use that line if it wasn't true. Dems do want to cut and run, its just a sad fact.

Claiming that as fact by no means makes it true ... care to show it?

what I want to see is FOXnews.. ;)I just want to see the "happy faces" of the Anchors :D

I wouldn't use that line if it wasn't true. Dems do want to cut and run, its just a sad fact.

No, it's really not. It's sad you think so, though. Show me proof of your 'fact'.

I wouldn't use that line if it wasn't true. Dems do want to cut and run, its just a sad fact.

"Cut and run" is a political buzzword with no meaning. Even if it's true we want to get out, it's not nessisarily a bad thing.

Second, CNN is now saying Webb is winning by about 3000 with 99% in. Gonna be a recount, you all know it.

Second, CNN is now saying Webb is winning by about 3000 with 99% in. Gonna be a recount, you all know it.

Hopefully even if Allen wins, Dems will get Montana and Tennessee so will at least give the GOP only a 1 seat majority. Not perfect but acceptable I think.

"Cut and run" is a political buzzword with no meaning. Even if it's true we want to get out, it's not nessisarily a bad thing.

Second, CNN is now saying Webb is winning by about 3000 with 99% in. Gonna be a recount, you all know it.

I'm... dreamin'... of a blue... Christmas... just like the ones I use to know (doot doot, doot doo-doot)...

Yeah, but now it'll be Allen that requests it.

And I'm completely fine with that!

At the very least, we'll be able to treat them the way they treated us in 2000!

Webb leads by 3000! Start partying, people!!!

"Cut and run" is a political buzzword with no meaning. Even if it's true we want to get out, it's not nessisarily a bad thing.

Second, CNN is now saying Webb is winning by about 3000 with 99% in. Gonna be a recount, you all know it.



But just leaving without Iraq being able to defend itself helps nobody, right now they are too weak to defend themselves.

Upate on the VA race: apparenlt the few votes that haven't been counted are from Richmond and Arlington. Both are Democratic areas.

I wouldn't use that line if it wasn't true. Dems do want to cut and run, its just a sad fact.

You were a boring troll as Mega Retard, and you're a boring troll as Cryptic Knight. Why don't you just go away before we have to go to all the effort of deleting you again?


~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator

But just leaving without Iraq being able to defend itself helps nobody, right now they are too weak to defend themselves.

The government of Iraq that we've installed has TOLD us to leave. Once we stay there past our welcome point, we're invaders.

Webb leads by 3000! Start partying, people!!!

http://www.technosquid.com/externaljunk/iamevilhomer.gif

Webb leads by 3000! Start partying, people!!!

You know there will be a recount. Who knows what will happen then.

You were a boring troll as Mega Retard, and you're a boring troll as Cryptic Knight. Why don't you just go away before we have to go to all the effort of deleting you again?


~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator



Don't like someone not agreeing with you? It is so sad you threaten to delete people for having the balls to not agree with you. I have every right to disagree with you and you do not have the right to flame me and threaten me with deletion for doing that. I will not bow down to you and agree with you on everything and you have no right to make me.

Don't like someone not agreeing with you? It is so sad you threaten to delete people for having the balls to not agree with you. I have every right to disagree with you and you do not have the right to flame me and threaten me with deletion for doing that. I will not bow down to you and agree with you on everything and you have no right to make me.

First, there is no freedom of speech on NS.
Second, disagree =/= trolling. Make of that what you will.

First, there is no freedom of speech on NS.
Second, disagree =/= trolling. Make of that what you will.

So disagreeing is trolling here? How open minded, I thought you were a Liberal.

So disagreeing is trolling here? How open minded, I thought you were a Liberal.

=/= (is) "not equal to"

So disagreeing is trolling here? How open minded, I thought you were a Liberal.

=/= = not necessarily equal to.

So disagreeing is trolling here? How open minded, I thought you were a Liberal.

I am, there's a difference between a privately owned internet forum and the government.

So disagreeing is trolling here? How open minded, I thought you were a Liberal.

Pssst =/= is NOT equals

just like !=

=/= (is) "not equal to"

=/= = not necessarily equal to.

Pssst =/= is NOT equals

just like !=

Didn't even catch that. Thanks.

=/= = not necessarily equal to.



Pardon me, I have never seen that thing before. First time for everything.

I am, there's a difference between a privately owned internet forum and the government.


I am aware of that, but most Liberals I have talked to applied freedom of speech to the internet...Universal.

I am aware of that, but most Liberals I have talked to applied freedom of speech to the internet...Universal.

Yeah but this is not the whole internet … this is a privately owned SERVER. We are all just requesting data off of it. They can choose what content they want to be located on that server.

Now if some ass hat ISP was filtering content that it had nothing to do with, did not store and did not edit or have name affiliation then I would be mad. That is not so.

Originally Posted by The FAQ
>It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?

Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq

Since the mods are his hired gun, actually we can make you.

Yeah but this is not the whole internet … this is a privately owned SERVER. We are all just requesting data off of it. They can choose what content they want to be located on that server.

Now if some ass hat ISP was filtering content that it had nothing to do with, did not store and did not edit or have name affiliation then I would be mad. That is not so.


Isn't this a british server? Just asking. BTW, where can I find out if prop 86 passed or not, can;t find it anywhere.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq


My issue was you trying to force me to agree with you or else. I don't mind if people disagree with me, I was hoping people wouldn't mind if I disagreed with them. Simple and Fair right?

Isn't this a british server? Just asking. BTW, where can I find out if prop 86 passed or not, can;t find it anywhere.

Correct ... and not sure if I dig something up I will post it

My issue was you trying to force me to agree with you or else. I don't mind if people disagree with me, I was hoping people wouldn't mind if I disagreed with them. Simple and Fair right?

Its not the disagreement part … we have plenty of people that disagree, that’s what this whole forum is ABOUT. But trolling we don’t care for, and some of your arguments had no actual SUBSTANCE to them (most of them)

They were merely unsupported contrary statements, that is the mark of a troll, someone that does not wish to just disagree but cause problems on the forums. Not something that is beneficial to a discussion board such as general.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq

Since the mods are his hired gun, actually we can make you.

Yes, we most definitely can. Unlike many Senators in this race, we have the tools to enforce the rules, not just make them. Please don't make us use them.

http://www.forbiddenplanetstore.com/acatalog/C8447.jpg

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnnndddddddd.....


REPUBLICANS HAVE SENATE!

THANK GOD!

*cheers*

"Noooooooooo Democrat crap! Nooooooooo dead American civilians! Moooooooooreeeeeeee security!"

These last four seats are killing me!!

Jim Webb Democrat 1,143,144 (50%)
George Allen (i) Republican 1,140,879 (49%)

This is with 100% of precincts reporting. I believe George Allen has lost his seat.

I was hoping people wouldn't mind if I disagreed with them.

"Dems do want to cut and run, its just a sad fact" isn't disagreeing, it's a generalization based on a party slogan, which is pretty much always trolling. It's not a fact. It's propaganda being distributed as fact. If you'd said "Reps do want to kill all Muslims, its just a sad fact," you'd have gotten exactly the same reaction from me.

If you want to disagree without trolling, that's just fine with me. I haven't seen much indication that you're interested in it in your last three incarnations, but maybe you'll surprise me.

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnnndddddddd.....


REPUBLICANS HAVE SENATE!

THANK GOD!

*cheers*

"Noooooooooo Democrat crap! Nooooooooo dead American civilians! Moooooooooreeeeeeee security!"

According to whom?

According to whom?

Yahoo! News

Interestingly enough they count indies as democrats....

Yes... All indies support democratic views... Of course... :rolleyes:

Republicans have 49, Democrats have 48, Indies have two. So there's one left up for grabs.

This is with 100% of precincts reporting. I believe George Allen has lost his seat.

http://www.technosquid.com/externaljunk/iamevilhomer.gif

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnnndddddddd.....


REPUBLICANS HAVE SENATE!

THANK GOD!

*cheers*

"Noooooooooo Democrat crap! Nooooooooo dead American civilians! Moooooooooreeeeeeee security!"

That was odd. And very uneffective toward me. Let's Hope for more democrat seats!

Yes, we most definitely can. Unlike many Senators in this race, we have the tools to enforce the rules, not just make them. Please don't make us use them.

http://www.forbiddenplanetstore.com/acatalog/C8447.jpg


Sorry, you can do a lot of things, but change the political views of your posters is not one of them. You are trying to force me to change my political views to suit yours and I won't. I believe what I do and nothing will change that. Think about it, whould you like it if somebody tried to force you to agree with them or else? You are doing the same thing you accuse Bush of doing.

Yahoo! News

Interestingly enough they count indies as democrats....

Yes... All indies support democratic views... Of course... :rolleyes:

Republicans have 49, Democrats have 48, Indies have two. So there's one left up for grabs.

Well sense there is not even a 1 percent difference calling it right now ... and other numbers disagree with YAHOO ... maybe a bit early to declare victory on yahoo's part

Still cheering on the Republicans.

Can't let the Democrats lead us down a deadly path.

"Dems do want to cut and run, its just a sad fact" isn't disagreeing, it's a generalization based on a party slogan, which is pretty much always trolling. It's not a fact. It's propaganda being distributed as fact. If you'd said "Reps do want to kill all Muslims, its just a sad fact," you'd have gotten exactly the same reaction from me.

If you want to disagree without trolling, that's just fine with me. I haven't seen much indication that you're interested in it in your last three incarnations, but maybe you'll surprise me.


I am not a republican and in fact hate them to. But that cut and run thing believe it or not I got from here...I did, I have heard it here a lot..

Sorry, you can do a lot of things, but change the political views of your posters is not one of them. You are trying to force me to change my political views to suit yours and I won't. I believe what I do and nothing will change that. Think about it, whould you like it if somebody tried to force you to agree with them or else? You are doing the same thing you accuse Bush of doing.

No he is forcing you to not be a troll … there is a big difference

There are trolls on all sides of the political spectrum, playing the hurt innocent now is hardly going to get you anywhere … just settle and stop your un supported claims of mod bias when they caught you doing near trolish behavior and keep on moving with life.

Yahoo! News

Interestingly enough they count indies as democrats....

Yes... All indies support democratic views... Of course... :rolleyes:

Republicans have 49, Democrats have 48, Indies have two. So there's one left up for grabs.

It seems this election many indies that had a strong idependant canidate banned together to vote for him ,while those who did not voted democrat.

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnnndddddddd.....


REPUBLICANS HAVE SENATE!

THANK GOD!

*cheers*

"Noooooooooo Democrat crap! Nooooooooo dead American civilians! Moooooooooreeeeeeee security!"

um, nonsense?

Virginia will be a recount, Montana is in Dem lead, but still coming in, and Missouri is still too low to say for sure.

Now it's likely going to be a 50-50 tie, but we don't know for sure yet.

http://www.technosquid.com/externaljunk/iamevilhomer.gif

"I am evil George Allen" just doesn't have the same ring to it... :D

Well sense there is not even a 1 percent difference calling it right now ... and other numbers disagree with YAHOO ... maybe a bit early to declare victory on yahoo's part


CNN gave both indpendent seats to the Dems, Fox labeled them independent.

Still cheering on the Republicans.

Can't let the Democrats lead us down a deadly path.

Yeah god forbid the attempt to balance out that asshat! Oh no’s having someone to stop the Prez is a deadly path :eek:

I am not a republican and in fact hate them to. But that cut and run thing believe it or not I got from here...I did, I have heard it here a lot..

I wasn't aware that we were senators. HotRod, Frisbee, are you guys senators?

"I am evil George Allen" just doesn't have the same ring to it... :D

It's redundant. ^^

What happens in the event of a deadlock?

/unfamiliar with American politics.

Yeah god forbid the attempt to balance out that asshat! Oh no’s having someone to stop the Prez is a deadly path :eek:

Taking money away from national security programs is definetly deadly. Getting rid of the Patriot Act is definetly deadly. Stopping all Republican iniatives for all forms of security acts, including increasing police funding, is definetly deadly.

EDIT: They already have Govenor and H.O.R. anyways.

Interestingly enough they count indies as democrats....

Yes... All indies support democratic views... Of course... :rolleyes:

Seeing as those two independents are Joe Lieberman and Bernie Sanders, who will both caucus with the Democrats, I'd say lumping them with the Dems is actually pretty fair.

I wasn't aware that we were senators. HotRot, Frisbee, are you guys senators?



Not that, They were democratic supporters. The dems tend to pander to their base as republicans do, and the dem base does seem to want out now. I think there is a thread on it...I think.

CNN says VA still can't be called.

Taking money away from national security programs is definetly deadly. Getting rid of the Patriot Act is definetly deadly. Stopping all Republican iniatives for all forms of security acts, including increasing police funding, is definetly deadly.

EDIT: They already have Govenor and H.O.R. anyways.

Getting rid of the patriot act if possible would be only one step in the right directions of returning this to the land of the free as we claim to be

What happens in the event of a deadlock?

/unfamiliar with American politics.
50/50? The Vice President casts the deciding vote. There'd be a power sharing aragement though to reflect the 50/50 split.

50/50? The Vice President casts the deciding vote. There'd be a power sharing aragement though to reflect the 50/50 split.

Sounds messy.

It's redundant. ^^

Now how did I know that would happen...?

Still cheering on the Republicans.

Can't let the Democrats lead us down a deadly path.
yes, the deadly path of a $1.7 trillion dollar deficit or whatever diabolical sum others were quoting, possibly elsewhere, possibly here.

Getting rid of the patriot act if possible would be only one step in the right directions of returning this to the land of the free as we claim to be

Freedom won't matter if you're dead.

What happens in the event of a deadlock?

/unfamiliar with American politics.

vice president breaks tie, which means if it's 50/50 reps keep it.

I wasn't aware that we were senators. HotRod, Frisbee, are you guys senators?
I am. Fuckin' lost, too.

Bob Corker (R) won, which ties up one senate race.

here is the setup right now, dems need 3 of the four states that are still out, they are:

tennessee
montana
virginia
missouri

tennessee is likely a democratic loss.

Montana is leaning democrat, however not enough is in to say for sure

Missouri is leaning republican, but many of the districts not reporting are heavy dem

Virginia is a dead lock, and there will be a recount, but dems are up VERY slightly.

If virginia and montana stay democratic control, and tenessee goes rep as it likely will, it will all depend on the 33% of missouri that has not come in.

edit: tennessee has just been called for republicans...3 seats out, all of which have a democrat chance.

Freedom won't matter if you're dead.

You make a big assumption in the fact that without that horrid piece of legislation I would be dead... I would ask you to show how but I am fairly sure ya cant so we will stop the bickering and move on to the results

Sorry, you can do a lot of things, but change the political views of your posters is not one of them. You are trying to force me to change my political views to suit yours and I won't. I believe what I do and nothing will change that. Think about it, whould you like it if somebody tried to force you to agree with them or else? You are doing the same thing you accuse Bush of doing.

I have no need to change your views, nor am I particularly interested in doing so. It's your behavior, the way you express your views, that breaks the rules. There is no rule against your views themselves, just your behavior.

Also, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find me accusing Bush of forcing others to agree with him.

If anything, I tend to be (in my postings as a Generalite) as much opposed to liberals and liberalism as you probably are. I just know how to express my opposition without violating the forum rules.

You can keep up the persecution complex like some of the liberal conspiracy theorists if you want, but the truth is that your behavior is at fault for your encounters with the Mods here.

Freedom won't matter if you're dead.
The "terrorists" will not kill us. They do not have the ability to do so. Their attacks are minimalistic, with almost no strategic importance. Infact, the Patriot Act is a perfect example of how the terrorists are winning. They have made us so afraid as to give away civil liberties. Their goal was to destroy our way of life, and the Patriot Act is a perfect example of how they have won.

This is with 100% of precincts reporting. I believe George Allen has lost his seat.
Wait until after the inevitable recount for that one.

Will control of the Senate rest on a recount in VA? Could be interesting.

Corker won... So yeah... Reps have the senate.

The indies won't side with either Reps or Dems on every single last issue, though.

You make a big assumption in the fact that without that horrid piece of legislation I would be dead... I would ask you to show how but I am fairly sure ya cant so we will stop the bickering and move on to the results

QFE. Need we whip out the Ben Franklin quote about freedom and security?

I am. Fuckin' lost, too.

HotRodia will be representing NationStates in The US congress, replacing Senator Frisbeeteria who will not be returning to Washington.

HotRodia: 52%

Frisbeeteria: 40%

Other: 8%

The GOP won in TN. The race in MO is too close to call, and MT doesn't have enough votes counted to know anything yet.

The indies won't side with either Reps or Dems on every single last issue, though.

Sanders votes like a liberal Democrat. Lieberman votes like a conservative Democrat.

The GOP won in TN. The race in MO is too close to call, and MT doesn't have enough votes counted to know anything yet.



Reps lead in Missiouri and in Montana dems lead, but montana only has 29% in.

HotRodia will be representing NationStates in The US congress, replacing Senator Frisbeeteria who will not be returning to Washington.

HotRodia: 52%

Frisbeeteria: 40%

Other: 8%

Hell, either of us would probably do a better job than most of the Senatorial candidates.

Corker won... So yeah... Reps have the senate.

The indies won't side with either Reps or Dems on every single last issue, though.

Once again, not true.

Missouri is too close to call.

Virginia will be a recount.

Montana has far too few districts reporting to know for sure, however what is in so far is leaning democrat.

it is literally too early to tell.

QFE. Need we whip out the Ben Franklin quote about freedom and security?

How about Kirk Anderson's?

http://www.kirktoons.com/october_2004/pop_10_2_04.html

How about Kirk Anderson's?

http://www.kirktoons.com/october_2004/pop_10_2_04.html


Did that post have a point? What were you trying to say? That our choices are scared shitless or dead?

How about Kirk Anderson's?

http://www.kirktoons.com/october_2004/pop_10_2_04.html

Note no police are in either of those pictures, just military men. It might make sense when martial law is declared upon the entire nation and half the population turns out to be insurgent terrorists - till then, it's crap.

Reps lead in Missiouri and in Montana dems lead, but montana only has 29% in.

CNN has the MO race at nearly the same margin as VA, last I saw.

EDIT: they are now saying the Republican leads by 3%, but they're not calling it yet.

How about Kirk Anderson's?

http://www.kirktoons.com/october_2004/pop_10_2_04.html

C: Other

Sounds messy.
That's the way we like it. :)

Reps probably getting Missouri.... Dems getting Montana... Who knows about Virginia...

Reps probably getting Missouri.... Dems getting Montana... Who knows about Virginia...

The reason they're not calling missouri yet is because a lot of the districts not reporting are heavily blue.

According to CNN, 80% of missouri is now reporting in, and DEMOCRATS are now leading 49% to 48%

The reason they're not calling missouri yet is because a lot of the districts not reporting are heavily blue.

ie, St. Louis and Kansas City.

The Democrat in MO now has a 1 point lead.

Confirmed by cnn channel, McCaskill (d) is now IN THE LEAD in missouri.

of the three states still out, missouri, virginia, and montana, democrats need to win all 3.

Democrats are IN THE LEAD in all three.

Confirmed by cnn channel, McCaskill (d) is now IN THE LEAD in missouri.

of the three states still out, missouri, virginia, and montana, democrats need to win all 3.

Democrats are IN THE LEAD in all three.

:(

Confirmed by cnn channel, McCaskill (d) is now IN THE LEAD in missouri.

of the three states still out, missouri, virginia, and montana, democrats need to win all 3.

Democrats are IN THE LEAD in all three.

SCOOOOOOOORRRRRE![/brazilliansoccerannouncer]

as of now the situation is as follows:

Montana

Tester (D) leads Burns (R) 53% to 45% with 45% of precincts reporting

Missouri

McCaskill (D) leads Talent (R) 49% to 48% with 81% of precincts reporting.

Virginia

Webb (D) leads Allen (R) 50% to 49% with 99% of precincts reporting.

Virginia will result in a recount, I can say for certainty. As of right now, democrats are in the lead in all 3 races, and need to win all 3 to take control of the senate.

looking at the individual counties of Virginia, the only one with precincts unreported is Arlington county (98% of precincts)

Arlington county has, so far, gone 73%-26% Webb (D), and Webb is in the lead, so it seems that when the recount is called, Allen will be in second.

as of now the situation is as follows:

Montana

Tester (D) leads Burns (R) 53% to 45% with 45% of precincts reporting

Missouri

McCaskill (D) leads Talent (R) 49% to 48% with 81% of precincts reporting.

Virginia

Webb (D) leads Allen (R) 50% to 49% with 99% of precincts reporting.

Virginia will result in a recount, I can say for certainty. As of right now, democrats are in the lead in all 3 races, and need to win all 3 to take control of the senate.

There are 2 independents, they don't control no matter what.

There are 2 independents, they don't control no matter what.

And both of their voting records have been pointed out before ... calling them "Independents" does not actually do anything for ya in the long run if the vote dem 90 percent of the time.

There are 2 independents, they don't control no matter what.

Well, Liebermann is a former Dem, and will likely pretty much act as a Democract in all intensive purposes(And in the cases that he doesn't, he wouldn't have to begun with).

Not sure about the other guy, though.

There are 2 independents, they don't control no matter what.

In the event of independants, the independant candidates can chose who to caucus with, and they count towards the party they caucus with.

In terms of deciding who runs comittees, and who becomes the senate majority leader, those independants will count with the party they caucus with. They will both caucus with the democrats.

For the purposes of comittee and majority leader positions, they count towards the democrats.

As far as how they vote...well they vote as they vote, but both have a strong voting record with democrats.

If these 3 states go democrat, democrats will be considered the "majority party" due to the caucus with the independants, they will pick the majority leader, and they will run the committees, that's the important thing.

Well, Liebermann is a former Dem, and will likely pretty much act as a Democract in all intensive purposes(And in the cases that he doesn't, he wouldn't have to begun with).

Not sure about the other guy, though.


Liberman was pretty much forced out of the dem party for being to positive about the war...He may lean right on most thing, score one for the good guys.

There are 2 independents, they don't control no matter what.

Um, yes, they do. The independents will go with the Democrats, assuming Lieberman keeps his word and Sanders follows his tradition in the House.

Democrats just called VA.

Well, Liebermann is a former Dem, and will likely pretty much act as a Democract in all intensive purposes(And in the cases that he doesn't, he wouldn't have to begun with).

Not sure about the other guy, though.

http://bernie.house.gov/

here's what he has to say about the patriot act: http://bernie.house.gov/patriot_act.asp


considering that CK is railing about "teh ebil liberulz!!", I don't think this guy will, in any way, make him feel better.

even if he isn't a democrat.

Democrats just called VA.

Recount. Please let the recount go to the good guys.

considering that CK is railing about "teh ebil liberulz!!", I don't think this guy will, in any way, make him feel better.

Sanders is a self-identified socialist.

He is probably one of the most left-wing Representatives, next to people like Kucinich and Conyers.

Nope, not a comfort.

Recount. Please let the recount go to the good guys.

Once again, having the tables turned, let me say this. Sucks waiting on a recount when you're losing, doesn't it?

Recount. Please let the recount go to the good guys.

Agreed ... if they recount let the dems hold it

Recount. Please let the recount go to the good guys.
The good guys? :rolleyes: