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Let's gather all the commentary about the various US House of Representatives elections in this thread. Other threads will be closed or merged.

Celebration is fine, but let's keep gloating, flaming, and all the other usual forum offenses to a minimum.

Thanks.

*points and laughs* Ahhhh Hahahahaha!!!

Okay, I got it out of my system. Carry on. :)

I am somewhat skeptical that the Dems. will win back the majority, I'm reasonably sure they will gain some seats, but not the overwhelming victory some on here foresee.

Anyone have a list of the battleground elections and key seats needed to have the House change hands?

Anyone have a list of the battleground elections and key seats needed to have the House change hands?

Yes. *nod*

It's a nice feeling to know my congressman is running against someone named "No One Nominated." :)

Also, was there a split in Socialists or something? We have two Socialists running for Senate in NJ.

I'm just glad that I'm no where NEAR the US tonight and that I did my voting a month ago.

Question for the house races though, did anyone else have trouble getting information (as in actual information not that the canadate likes cars) to vote on? I had one hell of a time.

Anyone have a list of the battleground elections and key seats needed to have the House change hands?

The number that needs to change hands for control of the House to go to the Democrats is somewhere around 15 or 16, I think.

I don't know if it's on any list of "races to watch" but the race in the Colorado 5th is very surprising this year. That district has never sent a Democrat to Congress and the Republicans usually win by double-digit margins. This year the Democrat is trailing by only 7 points, practically a tactical defeat for the Republicans. The incumbent, Joel Hefley, is not seeking re-election and the primary was especially nasty, to the point where Hefley has not endorsed the winner. The Democrat is a retired Air Force lt-colonel (the district includes Colorado Springs where the Air Force Academy is) and he actually has hopes.

The number that needs to change hands for control of the House to go to the Democrats is somewhere around 15 or 16, I think.

15. The general assumption is that 12 are all but a lock. My personal prediction is that they'll pick up 20.

15. The general assumption is that 12 are all but a lock. My personal prediction is that they'll pick up 20.

20 works for me.

Hmm...in my district it's the Land Embezzler vs. former NAMBLA champion. Who'll win? ;)

quick question from a non-us resident: when will the results start to come in? Got nothing to do for the next few hours, might as well stick around...

Fried Tuna;11916170']quick question from a non-us resident: when will the results start to come in? Got nothing to do for the next few hours, might as well stick around...

Not until the polls close, which varies from state to state( and time zones). Expect vote returns to generally progress east to west. *nod*

Fried Tuna;11916170']quick question from a non-us resident: when will the results start to come in? Got nothing to do for the next few hours, might as well stick around...

East Coast results in the next couple of hours, I forget, US Eastern time is GMT minus four, at least, might be minus five. Then the polls close east to west, usually between seven and nine in the evening local time.

Fried Tuna;11916170']quick question from a non-us resident: when will the results start to come in? Got nothing to do for the next few hours, might as well stick around...

the polls on the east coast close in just about an hour, we're going to start seeing some exit poll predictions soon.

Most people will vote after work, and while there are some folks who leave work early/retirees/students etc who vote during the day, it's really a small enough pool where it can't be used as an accurate gauge until the real voting pool, the real work force shows up after 5pm.

FIRST RESULTS:
House Republican Richard Lugar re-elected in Indiana.

cnn.com breaking news.

posting as they come in from:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/bop/

predictions that 3 democrats have won seats, and one republican.

The republican either elected/reelected will not result in a net gain for republicans.

Of the 3 democrat wins, this has resulted in a one seat gain, with independant down a seat.

edit: republicans now predicted to have won 2 seats, neither a gain.

http://www.cnn.com/

Dems:
Reps: 1
Indies:

Eeeew. That is my comment on the people running in New York's 20th and 21st. (I'm in 21, but all the ads are for 20, and I can see 20 from my house.) McNulty is the only one I know from 21. Sweeny and Gillibrand are the candidates for the 20th, and both of them are awful. Not as bad as Comptroller candidate Alan Hevesi, who is a known crook. He used state money to pay for a driver for his wife, and people want him to look after the state's money.

republicans - two wins, no gain

democrats - 3 wins, 1 gain

independants - no wins, 1 loss.

I'm just glad that I'm no where NEAR the US tonight and that I did my voting a month ago.

Question for the house races though, did anyone else have trouble getting information (as in actual information not that the canadate likes cars) to vote on? I had one hell of a time.

Best place to try first is always League of Women (http://www.lwv.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home) voters. Some candidates don't respond to the questions, but many do. The LW also helps with a lot of the other ballot issues by putting them into non-legal language.

Hometown papers are also good bets.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14289271

http://www.cnn.com/


hehe (http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/politics/2006/11/07/von.governor.denied.vote.wcsc&wm=native_mac)
hmmm, that link might not work, it has 'mac' at the end, so it might have just been with mine. It's the South Carolina governer being turned away from voting because he doesn't have his reg card. He takes it well.

HOUSE PREDICTIONS

Republicans have won 17, 1 seat loss

Democrats have won 30, 2 seat gain

Independants have won 0, 1 seat loss.

It looks like former Redskin quaterback Heath Schuler (http://www.heathshuler.com/) (D) has mounted a real challenge against 8-term incumbent "Chainsaw Charlie" Taylor (http://www.taylorforcongress.com/), the Clearcutting King (R) for the North Carolina 11th.

Taylor, who has been compared unfavorably to luminaries like Tom DeLay, has needed to be pruned ever since he decided it would be great to give great chunks of pristine Smoky Mountain wilderness over to family and friends. Taylor has a well-earned place on many of the Most Corrupt Members of Congress (http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/newsrelease.php?view=156) lists. I just can't understand how my former neighbors continued to vote him in year after year.

Good riddance.

hehe (http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/politics/2006/11/07/von.governor.denied.vote.wcsc&wm=native_mac)
hmmm, that link might not work, it has 'mac' at the end, so it might have just been with mine. It's the South Carolina governer being turned away from voting because he doesn't have his reg card. He takes it well.

but does he come back to vote... and if not, I hope he doesn't loose by 1 vote... :D

It looks like former Redskin quaterback Heath Schuler (http://www.heathshuler.com/) (D) has mounted a real challenge against 8-term incumbent "Chainsaw Charlie" Taylor (http://www.taylorforcongress.com/), the Clearcutting King (R) for the North Carolina 11th.

Taylor, who has been compared unfavorably to luminaries like Tom DeLay, has needed to be pruned ever since he decided it would be great to give great chunks of pristine Smoky Mountain wilderness over to family and friends. Taylor has a well-earned place on many of the Most Corrupt Members of Congress (http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/newsrelease.php?view=156) lists. I just can't understand how my former neighbors continued to vote him in year after year.

Good riddance.
In other NC news, Virginia Foxx is experiencing a closer than expected race in a seat widely considered to be very safe. If the precincts not reporting in yet are the Boone precincts, it's faintly possible she could lose.

Just not likely. Maybe 2008.

In other NC news, David Price is a cinch to go on for another term in the House district that includes Chapel Hill and Carrboro, known far and wide as liberal bastions of the South. He's good, I've seen him talk before and run into him a few times.

I experienced no problems with the Diebold machine I used to vote this afternoon. I was expecting to see huge problems, like I heard were occurring in other Ohio voting locations and in Florida, but I saw nothing odd; I expected to see problems because my district is John Boehner's district, he's the current House majority leader.

I've been a registered Republican for a while now, but I voted for independent candidates on as many issues as I could and for Democrats on all other issues, unless the democrat was an incumbent. I think it's time to give the Republican party, as well as all incumbents, a 'time out.'

Good luck to everyone who ran. God bless.

Gotta run. so I'll say Congrats to all of you who backed the winning candidates, and Better luck next time for those who's candidates lost.


Democracy in action... I LOVE IT! :D

better than any sport in my book. :D :D

A Muslim just took a house seat in MN. He is democrat. He's the 1st Muslim to be elected in the US congress. Pretty cool indeed.

I just gotta say I love the peaceful transfer of power.

Yay!

A Muslim just took a house seat in MN. He is democrat. He's the 1st Muslim to be elected in the US congress. Pretty cool indeed.

Who? I have been so focused on the really local that I compleatly missed him

Who? I have been so focused on the really local that I compleatly missed him

Keith Ellison, from MN 5th

Keith Ellison, from MN 5th

Cool I am in 6 :)

Mahoney beat Foley.
It's funny because it rhymes.

CNN has just predicted the results of the house election, and that prediction is.....

Welcome Speaker Pelosi.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/07/election.main/index.html

Projections from the W. Coast show that the Dems. have got the 15 seats they need.

UPDATE: Damn you Arthais!

CNN has just predicted the results of the house election, and that prediction is.....

Welcome Speaker Pelosi.

*cheers*

I'm flipping through CNN and Jon Stewart who has Dan Rather on. :D

CNN has just predicted the results of the house election, and that prediction is.....

Welcome Speaker Pelosi.

Holy crap, 1st muslim Rep., 2nd Black Governor in US history, and now 1st female speaker of the house.

hooray for change!

Holy crap, 1st muslim Rep., 1st Black Governor in Tennesse(IIRC:eek:), and now 1st female speaker of the house.

hooray for change!
It'll never last. [/cynic]

CNN has just predicted the results of the house election, and that prediction is.....

Welcome Speaker Pelosi.


It's a narrow majority, though. But a majority nonetheless.

It's a narrow majority, though. But a majority nonetheless.
The Dems have picked up +17 so far - that makes it 219-215 if no more Republican incumbents lose.

There are another 56 Republican incumbents not reported in yet on their races. I'm betting another 5-6 pickups for the Democrats, leaving the House somewhere around 223-225 to 210-212. Not so narrow after all.

Mahoney beat Foley.
It's funny because it rhymes.interesting..

Its too close to call.. yet the GOP man gave up.

Great, now I'll have to listen to Nancy Pelosi even more for the next two years. I'm going to go insane...

I'm vaugely looking at a results page. How many 'houses' are they racing to?

The dems have unofficially taken the house, according to CNN.what I want to see is FOXnews.. :D

what I want to see is FOXnews.. :D

Want to know what the headline is on foxnews.com ?

Dems Win House

Keith Ellison, from MN 5th

Woot! My state is actually progressive. Take that, SD and ND!

Kidding, kidding. It's good news though. Minnesota does tend to be pretty borderline at times. Sometimes Republican, sometimes Democrat.

what I want to see is FOXnews.. :D

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227961,00.html

That was linked to the title "Dems Win House"

Great, four years of the Democrats, at least.

I'm from Idaho, and we might actually have a real race this year in my district. We have Bill Sali who's a psychopath, and Larry Grant who's a pretty neat (boring, but cool) guy. I'm extremely pleased with the way the elections are going in general.

Great, four years of the Democrats, at least.

It is great isn't it? :)

Great, four years of the Democrats, at least.

Two.

Woot! My state is actually progressive. Take that, SD and ND!

Kidding, kidding. It's good news though. Minnesota does tend to be pretty borderline at times. Sometimes Republican, sometimes Democrat.

And let's not forget the wrestler.

And let's not forget the wrestler.

Yeah ... I was too young for that one.

At least he did not do a BAD job :)

There have been a lot worse lol

Two.

How? I imagined it would be four 'til the next midterms.

How? I imagined it would be four 'til the next midterms.

The house is elected in full every 2 years

The senate is elected in 3rds every 2 years.

It is great isn't it? :)

Yes! I just hope the Senate race turns out as well as the House.

Did that one thread get closed where we all predicted the final outcome and everyones picks were edited onto the OP?

The best part of all of this is that even ABC news is now predicting up to 30 dem pickups, and so far not a single dem incumbent has been beaten. Can you say "referendum on Bush, Iraq, and the GOP"? How about "Tidal wave"?

The best part of all of this is that even ABC news is now predicting up to 30 dem pickups, and so far not a single dem incumbent has been beaten. Can you say "referendum on Bush, Iraq, and the GOP"? How about "Tidal wave"?

I predicted a 19 seat pickup, and even that I considered somewhat optimistic.

Tidal wave seems appropriate.

It looks like former Redskin quaterback Heath Schuler (http://www.heathshuler.com/) (D) has mounted a real challenge against 8-term incumbent "Chainsaw Charlie" Taylor (http://www.taylorforcongress.com/), the Clearcutting King (R) for the North Carolina 11th.


Are you in Schuler's district? I'm a little intrigued by the guy; I could swing for a conservative Democrat...

What do you (or anyone who knows anything about his politics (not his draft-bust football career) think about him ? Just curious...

Yeah ... I was too young for that one.

At least he did not do a BAD job :)

There have been a lot worse lol

Eh, things went to shit in later in his term. Largely, however, due to his advisers lying their asses off to him telling him we had a large budget surplus, instead having a slight deficit. At least that's what I hear.

Man, I can remember "Jessie, the Mind, Ventura" now...

Are you in Schuler's district?

I moved out of there about seven years ago. My folks still live in that district, and my mom is a classic Massachusetts liberal. She's been dying to see Taylor get the axe, and will put up with a footballer who's pro-life and pro-hunting to get him out.

Beyond that, I don't know much.

Eh, things went to shit in later in his term. Largely, however, due to his advisers lying their asses off to him telling him we had a large budget surplus, instead having a slight deficit. At least that's what I hear.

Man, I can remember "Jessie, the Mind, Ventura" now...

Also, the Legislature (or Assembly, whatever those silly Minnesotans call it) absolutely refused to work with him.

i cant fucking believe it, god damnit, god damnit, god bless america, we've done it, after six years, the reign of shit is over

An even larger majority. Now if the Senate race can shape up my night will be perfect.....

An even larger majority. Now if the Senate race can shape up my night will be perfect.....

doesnt matter one bit, this is the end for the bush legislative agenda


and we can hold HEARINGS. goddamnit, the house of cards is COMING DOWN, the REIGN OF SHIT IS OVER

i cant fucking believe it, god damnit, god damnit, god bless america, we've done it, after six years, the reign of shit is over

I didn't think I would live to see the end. Thank Bush for showing the world how a Republican controled Congress has brought shit to the World

i cant fucking believe it, god damnit, god damnit, god bless america, we've done it, after six years, the reign of shit is over

The Dems had the Senate for a while back before the 2002 election, so it's been four years, not six.

But I very much agree with the spirit of your post.

i cant fucking believe it, god damnit, god damnit, god bless america, we've done it, after six years, the reign of shit is over

And I am called a troll? Congrats, you traded red shit for blue. You won't get what you want either way. But I am bracing myself for the worst time in history, dems have gone so far to the left that they have become ineffective and deadly. If you want proof, just check out their border policy....The reign of shit has just begun.

Ah, I'm kind of disapointed at the start of the night the dems were ahead in all of the house races here, but now they are behind in all three. The only one where they still seem to have a chance are here in my district, which is good I guess, but I really don't get what those farmers out in the third district are thinking, I mean the Reb. is being sponsered by a group that wants to get rid of the Department of Agriculture I can't see how they can think something like that would be to their benefit.

And I am called a troll? Congrats, you traded red shit for blue. You won't get what you want either way. But I am bracing myself for the worst time in history, dems have gone so far to the left that they have become ineffective and deadly. If you want proof, just check out their border policy....The reign of shit has just begun.

Far to the left? Compared to who ... most of the rest of the industrialized world is farther left then us.

dems have gone so far to the left that they have become ineffective and deadly.

"Democrats," "far," and "left" really don't belong in the same sentence, except perhaps with a "not" somewhere.

I didn't think I would live to see the end. Thank Bush for showing the world how a Republican controled Congress has brought shit to the World


If it wasn't for the deficit the republican controlled congress was better than a dem one. The reign of shit has started a new. I serouisly cannot see why anybody would support their border policies, have you not heard they want amnesty before border security?

Far to the left? Compared to who ... most of the rest of the industrialized world is farther left then us.


Democrats have been going left for years, and have never been this left before. The only party in america farther left is the Greens, which the dems tried to steal votes from in 04. You just need to look at their stances.

"Democrats," "far," and "left" really don't belong in the same sentence, except perhaps with a "not" somewhere.

Not far to go to democrats take a left?

Democrats have been going left for years, and have never been this left before. The only party in america farther left is the Greens, which the dems tried to steal votes from in 04. You just need to look at their stances.

I have ... I also look at the rest of the world too with us over in rightie territory

I have ... I also look at the rest of the world too with us over in rightie territory


It doesn't matter if we are farther right than other nations(Thank God), what matters is the Dems are Far Left in american politics.

Democrats have been going left for years, and have never been this left before.

They're more left-wing this time than last time, yes... but if anything, they've been moving right since, at the latest, 1992.

The only party in america farther left is the Greens

Socialist Party USA
Communist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
Socialist Equality Party
Labor Party (Are they still around? Not sure)
Revolutionary Communist Party
Peace and Freedom Party
Progressive Labor Party
And a good dozen others who I don't recall off the top of my head.

It doesn't matter if we are farther right than other nations(Thank God), what matters is the Dems are Far Left in american politics.

So what? I think its a rather good thing ...

So what? I think its a rather good thing ...

I think its terrible, I feel overthrown by them. I almost feel like the Jews in Germany when the Nazis got into power....Harsh I know, But I can't find another way to describe my utter depression and fear right now.

They're more left-wing this time than last time, yes... but if anything, they've been moving right since, at the latest, 1992.



Socialist Party USA
Communist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
Socialist Equality Party
Labor Party (Are they still around? Not sure)
Revolutionary Communist Party
Peace and Freedom Party
Progressive Labor Party
And a good dozen others who I don't recall off the top of my head.



The Labour yes is still around, but they really don't stand a chance of winning now do they?

I think its terrible, I feel overthrown by them. I almost feel like the Jews in Germany when the Nazis got into power....Harsh I know, But I can't find another way to describe my utter depression and fear right now.

Yeah a bit over the top ... you may want to think of getting on some meds if you fear a political party getting control of the senate when they don't have the prez.

They are supposed to act as a check and balance on the executive branch. We do not want our balances REGARDLESS of political parties rubber stamping anything.

The Labour yes is still around, but they really don't stand a chance of winning now do they?

Nor do the Greens, yet you saw fit to consider them a party.

Yeah a bit over the top ... you may want to think of getting on some meds if you fear a political party getting control of the senate when they don't have the prez.

They are supposed to act as a check and balance on the executive branch. We do not want our balances REGARDLESS of political parties rubber stamping anything.

A bit over the top? Yes, I admitt that. But I seriously don't know how else to put it, I just feel Like I want to cry.....I was hoping the reps would retain control so the nation wouldn't drift too far left, or atleast control one house.



FYI, Not that I am saying the dem are nazis, but the nazis didn't have the top office first either.

Nor do the Greens, yet you saw fit to consider them a party.


Yeah they do, they do well in Hawaii and contol a city in California.

FYI, Not that I am saying the dem are nazis, but the nazis didn't have the top office first either.

Godwin's law? Just figured I'd point it out. :p

Man, that does seem to happen in quite a few threads.

Cool link from CBS (no refresh needed)
http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2006/index.shtml

If it wasn't for the deficit the republican controlled congress was better than a dem one. The reign of shit has started a new. I serouisly cannot see why anybody would support their border policies, have you not heard they want amnesty before border security?


Considering it's Bush's choice as well (amnesty), I dare say it could happen...

Cool link from CBS (no refresh needed)
http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2006/index.shtml

Jeeze, the republicans lost at least 3 seats in the senate, 24 seats in the house, and 6 governors. That is brutal.

I just feel Like I want to cry.....

Every election for the last 6 years I've felt that way. And now that the tides have turned, let me be the first to say the same things that republicans have been saying to me for those 6 years.

You lost, deal with it.

Jeeze, the republicans lost at least 3 seats in the senate, 24 seats in the house, and 6 governors. That is brutal.

24 FOR NOW, 38 still not reported, estimates suggest they'll lose upwards to 30.

But I very much agree with the spirit of your post.

We replaced one right wing psycho-statist party with another slightly less right wing psycho-statist party. Which opposes the war in Iraq. After [many of] its Congress-critters licked the bottom of Bush's jackboots voting to authorize it in the first place (You'll note that 29 out of 77 yeas in the Senate have got little D's next to their names (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237#position), granted support wasn't so great in the House) (edit: The Democrats' support for USA (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313) PATRIOT (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml) is actually a much better example/evidence. Maybe it was just the catchy name. Maybe not.)

Huzzah. **tosses some confetti in a mostly "meh" like fashion**

On the bright side, my neighbors in my state agree with me on 6 out of 13 propositions, so far. Some of the new bond measures (the other 7 propositions...) are actually doing quite well. I (and my children I'm sure) look forward to paying the bill.

Huzzah again.

doesnt matter one bit, this is the end for the bush legislative agenda


and we can hold HEARINGS. goddamnit, the house of cards is COMING DOWN, the REIGN OF SHIT IS OVER

Yeah, you can hold 'hearings'. But you probably can't impeach; you damn sure can't convict. Oh, btw, impeachment trial's presiding judge? John Roberts. :)

**assuming you were going the impeachment route; if not, my apologies. However, if it's just 'hearings', it's a waste of time. The dems won't hold onto power unless they DO something productive, and I don't consider the Impeachment Hearings route to be all that productive.**

We replaced one right wing psycho-statist party with another slightly less right wing psycho-statist party. Which opposes the war in Iraq. After all its Congress-critters licked the bottom of Bush's boots voting to authorize it in the first place.

Huzzah. **tosses some confetti in a mostly "meh" like fashion**

On the bright side, my neighbors in my state agree with me on 6 out of 13 propositions, so far. Some of the new bond measures (the other 7 propositions...) are actually doing quite well. I (and my children I'm sure) look forward to paying the bill.

Huzzah again.

Just because they did things you didin;t agree with doesn;t make them psycho. *Kisses america goodbye*

"Democrats," "far," and "left" really don't belong in the same sentence, except perhaps with a "not" somewhere.

Impossible, seeing as there is only one way to be not Republican. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Stalin3.jpg/200px-Stalin3.jpg)

We replaced one right wing psycho-statist party with another slightly less right wing psycho-statist party. Which opposes the war in Iraq. After all its Congress-critters licked the bottom of Bush's boots voting to authorize it in the first place.

Huzzah. **tosses some confetti in a mostly "meh" like fashion**

I would be as cynical as you, but in these past few months, Bush has scared me to death.

Even right-wing psycho-statists have got to be some kind of improvement.

Just because they did things you didin;t agree with doesn;t make them psycho. *Kisses america goodbye*

Boo-freakin-hoo. Seriously, it's not the end of the world for conservatives(Which the current Admin is most assuredly not), and it is not the death of America. Seriously. We have been in worse shit in the last half of the current century than the what is going on now, let alone in 220 years of history.

So seriously, suck it up, it's not the end of the freakin world.

I would be as cynical as you, but in these past few months, Bush has scared me to death.

Even right-wing psycho-statists have got to be some kind of improvement.

Yep, being as how they are only slightly less right wing than the current right wing.

And those who think that there is a huge difference between the dems and repubs doesn't know a damn thing about politics. They are so close together, they are nearly indestinguishable at times, in this day and age. The only difference is purely aesthetic and superficial, often times based on false generalizations.

So really, they may be a bit left of the Repubs, but not nearly as much as some people may think

Boo-freakin-hoo. Seriously, it's not the end of the world for conservatives(Which the current Admin is most assuredly not), and it is not the death of America. Seriously. We have been in worse shit in the last half of the current century than the what is going on now, let alone in 220 years of history.

So seriously, suck it up, it's not the end of the freakin world.


Actually it is, it is the end of america as we know it. You just say suck it up because your people stole the power, in 04 you Liberals were making headstones for america, and now its suck it up when you got power? Nah.

USA 1776-2006 RIP

Jeeze, the republicans lost at least 3 seats in the senate, 24 seats in the house, and 6 governors. That is brutal.

Yea. Well they shot themselves in the foot. Republican are lucky to salvage practicly anything at all.

You just say suck it up because your people stole the power

Hold on, against all the gerrymandering, against all the reports of voter irregularity favoring republicans, against an incumbant administration in the majority in all branches of the federal government....the DEMOCRATS "stole" the election?

And the fact that you put 1776 in the "birth" of american just demonstrates a special level of ignorance.

Actually it is, it is the end of america as we know it. You just say suck it up because your people stole the power, in 04 you Liberals were making headstones for america, and now its suck it up when you got power? Nah.

USA 1776-2006 RIP

Stole power? How so? Did they cheat? Did they have a millitary coup? Did they rise to power by manipulating the system? My answer is... no.

They were voted in.

And please, please, PLEASE, tell me how this is the end of America. Really, I want to know. Where is your proof.

Also, I'm not a Democrat. I hate them with a passion. Just not as passionate hate as I do the current Republican party. Neither truly stands for what they supposedly believe in anymore.

Stole power? How so? Did they cheat? Did they have a millitary coup? Did they rise to power by manipulating the system? My answer is... no.

They were voted in.

And please, please, PLEASE, tell me how this is the end of America. Really, I want to know. Where is your proof.

Also, I'm not a Democrat. I hate them with a passion. Just not as passionate hate as I do the current Republican party. Neither truly stands for what they supposedly believe in anymore.

You were the ones saying america was dead in 04 when Bush won. Turn about is fair play you know. Never did get an explaination about that.


USA 1776-2006 RIP

My district's incumbent ran for governor, and lost....which makes me happier than I've been in a LONG time. Mark Green had his head so far up Bush's ass he needed a snorkel to breathe.

...and we replaced him with Steve Kagen, a Democrat.

Your welcome. :)

My district's incumbent ran for governor, and lost....which makes me happier than I've been in a LONG time. Mark Green had his head so far up Bush's ass he needed a snorkel to breath.

...and we replaced him with Steve Kagen, a Democrat.

Your welcome. :)


You will be hearing from my lawyer.;)

You were the ones saying america was dead in 04 when Bush won. Turn about is fair play you know. Never did get an explaination about that.


USA 1776-2006 RIP

Huh. I never said America was dead, at least not to my knowledge. Of course, you know what I say more than I do...

You were the ones saying america was dead in 04 when Bush won. Turn about is fair play you know.

Turn around is absolutely fair play, this is true. And in that spirit, allow me to turn about the typical republican response in 2004...

You lost, too bad for you, deal.

Actually it is, it is the end of america as we know it. You just say suck it up because your people stole the power, in 04 you Liberals were making headstones for america, and now its suck it up when you got power? Nah.

USA 1776-2006 RIP

what he means, though it has no bearing on reality, is that the democrats will disband the military, homeland security and the border patrol and allow all immigrants (or as he might say, "spics") into the country, encourage terrorism and annoit osama bin laden King of Iraq.

In short, it is imbecilic bullshit from a bullshit know-nothing ideologue.

Huh. I never said America was dead, at least not to my knowledge. Of course, you know what I say more than I do...


Liberals here did that all the time, for some reason they just feared Bush without merit.



USA 1776-2006 RIH(I meant to spell it like that)

Turn around is absolutely fair play, this is true. And in that spirit, allow me to turn about the typical republican response in 2004...

You lost, too bad for you, deal.

Hazzah!

Seriously, this is not the end of the world, no matter what anybody says. It would not have been the end of the world if the Republicans would have won, despite what some "liberals" may have said, and it is not the end right now.

It's a change. We have gone through far worse in history, and we still stood. Seriously, this bull has been being said about the other party since the dawn of the country. And yet it has never actually happened. Why? Because it is not. Period. End of Sentence. End of point.

USA 1776-2006 RIH(I meant to spell it like that)

pssst, The United States of America was "born" in 1789, not 1776. You might want to alter unless you want to look like an idiot.

what he means, though it has no bearing on reality, is that the democrats will disband the military, homeland security and the border patrol and allow all immigrants (or as he might say, "spics") into the country, encourage terrorism and annoit osama bin laden King of Iraq.

In short, it is imbecilic bullshit from a bullshit know-nothing ideologue.



Now thats flambait, flaming and Trolling all rolled up into one package. That is the third time in 2 days you have done this, why are you still here?

If I may remind people, the No Gloating over the Election rule is back in effect, I believe it cuts both ways as well.

Actually it is, it is the end of america as we know it. You just say suck it up because your people stole the power, in 04 you Liberals were making headstones for america, and now its suck it up when you got power? Nah.

USA 1776-2006 RIP

OMG it terrible isn't it.
USA now has a chance to do something about global warming, a long overdue min wage increase, Halt the (not so) great wall of Mexico, maybe even a boost to heathcare and education. Oh how awful!!!:eek:

I think its terrible, I feel overthrown by them. I almost feel like the Jews in Germany when the Nazis got into power....Harsh I know, But I can't find another way to describe my utter depression and fear right now.

That's a bit melodramatic, don't you think? But still, now you know how I felt in '94, '00, '02' and '04. The Democrats are against the further erosion of civil liberties. And no, they won't take your guns or force you to marry a guy. :rolleyes:

I would be as cynical as you,

If only more people were.


...but in these past few months, Bush has scared me to death.


"scared" is not a sufficient term.


Even right-wing psycho-statists have got to be some kind of improvement.

I dunno. The psychosis is even (http://www.2006gov.com/issues001.html) spreading (http://www.2006gov.com/issues012.html) to the Libertarian party, which I would normally support. Went with the Greens this time, in exactly two state offices. Voted for "No Selection" everywhere else. (Those of you who feel it necessary to point out the hypocrisy of my complaining while voting "No Selection:" Yes, I know. I tried to vote "Democrat." Honestly, I stood there in the voting booth staring at the screen and I tried real hard. But I just couldn't do it.) And the aforementioned propositions, seeing as how I have at least a theoretical modicum of influence there.

pssst, The United States of America was "born" in 1789, not 1776. You might want to alter unless you want to look like an idiot.



Psssst. America's birthday is offcially seen as 1776 not 1789. Might wanna change that unless you like looking like an idiot. America turned 2000 in 1976 not 1989.:rolleyes:

Liberals here did that all the time, for some reason they just feared Bush without merit.

USA 1776-2006 RIH(I meant to spell it like that)

Awwww. I guess the shrub wasn't a uniter after all.

Careful with your trolling. The mods are probably going to rather vigilant about it.

Psssst. America's birthday is offcially seen as 1776 not 1789.

No, independance was in 1776, the constitution which formed the united states become supreme law in 1789

Liberals here did that all the time, for some reason they just feared Bush without merit.



USA 1776-2006 RIH(I meant to spell it like that)

And yet I'm not a liberal. I'm moderate, possible with more or less liberal leanings, but also quite a few conservative leanings. I'm in no way a liberal, and I in no way have ever said "ZOMG! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLDZ!!!!111!!!1!One!" when Bush won the election in 04'. If I remember correctly, it was moreso an "Ah, shit. Oh well, only four more years" sort of thing. I don't like Bush, because he seems like to do some pretty damn stupid things, but that doesn't mean I think he's the Antichrist or whatnot. Seriously, your generalizations are just showing your obvious partisanship, which I severely dislike in all of it's form, Republican or Democrat, as it is often far more destructive than productive.

OMG it terrible isn't it.
USA now has a chance to do something about global warming, a long overdue min wage increase, Halt the (not so) great wall of Mexico, maybe even a boost to heathcare and education. Oh how awful!!!:eek:



Now it can screw small business by raising wages beyond realistic levels, continue to ignorne global warming and allow immigrants to just run into america uncontrolled, also over tax the people to pay for bloated...wait a minture, Dems never fixed healthcare and education when the had the chance...Yes this is awful

Psssst. America's birthday is offcially seen as 1776 not 1789. Might wanna change that unless you like looking like an idiot. America turned 2000 in 1976 not 1989.:rolleyes:

Pssst. He is referring to the Constitution was established.

Psssst. America's birthday is offcially seen as 1776 not 1789. Might wanna change that unless you like looking like an idiot. America turned 2000 in 1976 not 1989.:rolleyes:

Psst... 1776 was the year of our independance, our current government was formed in '89. There were about 11 years of Confederacy between that.

If I may remind people, the No Gloating over the Election rule is back in effect, I believe it cuts both ways as well.

forgive me father, for I dont read moderation.

boot heel tap, salute.

No, independance was in 1776, the constitution which formed the united states become supreme law in 1789


Duuuude. 1776, look it up. Its funny you think america turned 200 in 1989. Seriously funny. Its 1776.

forgive me father, for I dont read moderation.

boot heel tap, salute.
Um... it's stickied right below the elections threads...

Pssst. He is referring to the Constitution was established.



:rolleyes:


1776, get over it. We declared our independence from th UK in 1776! Jeez! Look up our independence day, 1776!

Um... it's stickied right below the elections threads...

Forgive me father, for I have imbibed superlative ammounts of champagne and whiskey.

Boot heel tap, salute.

:rolleyes:


1776, get over it. We declared our independence from th UK in 1776! Jeez! Look up our independence day, 1776!

and the united states was not formed until 1789.

Look it up. The fact that you keep insisting that america came to be in 1776 is amusing and slightly saddening. The United States of America was formed in 1789. "we" did not declare independance in 1776, 13 seperate colonies did.

Forgive me father, for I have imbibed superlative ammounts of champagne and whiskey.

Boot heel tap, salute.
Oh... well... that's alright then. Carry on.

:p

:rolleyes:


1776, get over it. We declared our independence from th UK in 1776! Jeez! Look up our independence day, 1776!

Once again, you fail at history, and at debate. He said he was referring to our CURRENT government, which was formed in 1789. Before that, there was the articles of Confederation, which lasted only just over a decade. When talking of America falling because it's Government fell, it is prudent to use when the Government was formed as the basis for how long it lasted in such a system.

and the united states was not formed until 1789.

Look it up. The fact that you keep insisting that america came to be in 1776 is amusing and slightly saddening. The United States of America was formed in 1789. "we" did not declare independance in 1776, 13 seperate colonies did.

Indeed, before that it was the Confederate States of America.

Psssst. America's birthday is offcially seen as 1776 not 1789. Might wanna change that unless you like looking like an idiot. America turned 2000 in 1976 not 1989.:rolleyes:

No, by your count, the USA will turn 2000 in the year 3776.

Even right-wing psycho-statists have got to be some kind of improvement.

I suppose we could hope to get a less-CO2-emitting, dolphin-safe version of USA (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml) PATRIOT (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313) what with the Democrats comming back to power. Sorry, I'm still not feeling better.

and the united states was not formed until 1789.

Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America."

http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html#Preamble

http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html#Preamble

well I of course meant "this" united states of america...although if you want to be technical, that one didn't even get formed in force until 1781.

Indeed, before that it was the Confederate States of America.

It's really just an academic point, but America's birthday is considered to be July 4, 1776. Hence, you know, the whole 'July 4th Independence Day' thing we do every year.

Were you talking about the oldest continuous governing document in the world, then yes, 1789 would be the correct answer, Mr. Trebek.

However, I feel no one is going to relinquish their ground on this; quite frankly, I don't care. I have more Labatt Blue to drink, and I really just wanted to throw my two francs in. :)

It's really just an academic point, but America's birthday is considered to be July 4, 1776. Hence, you know, the whole 'July 4th Independence Day' thing we do every year.



Yes, INDEPENDANCE from Britain, but did not form into our current itteration of government until 1789.

and the united states was not formed until 1789.

Look it up. The fact that you keep insisting that america came to be in 1776 is amusing and slightly saddening. The United States of America was formed in 1789. "we" did not declare independance in 1776, 13 seperate colonies did.



Ugggh! Forget it. Of course it doesn't matter to you that those colonies were the USA! Nevermind, you lost and I am moving on.



FYI, you might wanna tell the US goverment to stop saying 1776 was our date of birth then huh?;)

well I of course meant "this" united states of america...

A change of political organization hardly constitutes a change in nation.

Oh great, NANCY PELOSI. Now the country's name is gonna be changed from "United States of America" to "Estados Unidos de América".

It's really just an academic point, but America's birthday is considered to be July 4, 1776. Hence, you know, the whole 'July 4th Independence Day' thing we do every year.

Were you talking about the oldest continuous governing document in the world, then yes, 1789 would be the correct answer, Mr. Trebek.

However, I feel no one is going to relinquish their ground on this; quite frankly, I don't care. I have more Labatt Blue to drink, and I really just wanted to throw my two francs in. :)


You want 500 bucks to buy more beer?

the geryrmandered-to-death house of reps was an inviolable stronghold of the republican shit machine, this is an amazing feat


the possiblity of senate wins will have to wait until tomorrow.

signing off in glee and majestic glory, NG

boot heel tap, salute

A change of political organization hardly constitutes a change in nation.

Tell that to the former soviet union. The fundamental political structure that governed the states between independance and 1789 was dissolved, it ceased to be, an entirely new political structure formed.

To say that it does not constitute a change of nation suggests that The USSR and Russia are the same thing.

They're not. One died, another was reborn.

Oh great, NANCY PELOSI. Now the country's name is gonna be changed from "United States of America" to "Estados Unidos de América".

yeah, and with their dirty spic magic the dems will make osama president, get a fucking grip.

Oh great, NANCY PELOSI. Now the country's name is gonna be changed from "United States of America" to "Estados Unidos de América".



Some call it that already.:)

yeah, and with their dirty spic magic the dems will make osama president, get a fucking grip.

Must you troll in every thread?

Oh great, NANCY PELOSI. Now the country's name is gonna be changed from "United States of America" to "Estados Unidos de América".
Um... why? I think Pelosi is Italin IIRC, not Spanish.

Edit, Bable Fish thinks it would be Unito Dichiara dell'America then.

Ugggh! Forget it. Of course it doesn't matter to you that those colonies were the USA!

No, they weren't. They were 13 independant former colonies.


Nevermind, you lost and I am moving on.

wow, a victory gained by saying "you lose". I never thought of that.

If only the republicans thought of that, they wouldn't have lost the house so badly.

Oh great, NANCY PELOSI. Now the country's name is gonna be changed from "United States of America" to "Estados Unidos de América".

What's funny (in a sad way) is that that's the first thing that leaps to your mind.

It isn't that she'll raise taxes. It isn't that she'll oppose "family values." It isn't that she'll surrender to the terrorists.

It's that she'll coddle the brown people.

What's funny (in a sad way) is that that's the first thing that leaps to your mind.

It isn't that she'll raise taxes. It isn't that she'll oppose "family values." It isn't that she'll surrender to the terrorists.

It's that she'll coddle the brown people.

She's ultra-pro-illegal immigration. She'll probably pay illegals to border run.

No, they weren't. They were 13 independant former colonies.




wow, a victory gained by saying "you lose". I never thought of that.

If only the republicans thought of that, they wouldn't have lost the house so badly.


This isn't going anywhere. Just stop.

This isn't going anywhere. Just stop.

why, because "I lose"? Historical fact is on my side.

My district's incumbent ran for governor, and lost....which makes me happier than I've been in a LONG time. Mark Green had his head so far up Bush's ass he needed a snorkel to breathe.

...and we replaced him with Steve Kagen, a Democrat.

Your welcome. :)

i was trying to figure out exactly what happened there earlier - i thought maybe something weird happened up nort to make the switch. no, it was entirely a green bay area thing.

nobody even ran against petri in my last wisconsin district. i hate that guy.

She's ultra-pro-illegal immigration. She'll probably pay illegals to border run.



Time for her to be removed from power before she takes it.

She's ultra-pro-illegal immigration. She'll probably pay illegals to border run.

Excellent. I hope she does exactly that.

why, because "I lose"? Historical fact is on my side.

What part of stop do you not understand? You lost, Its 1776 and nothing will change that! STOP, for the love of god STOP! Nobody cares anymore!:headbang:

Excellent. I hope she does exactly that.


You have to be joking.

Now it can screw small business by raising wages beyond realistic levels, continue to ignorne global warming and allow immigrants to just run into america uncontrolled, also over tax the people to pay for bloated...wait a minture, Dems never fixed healthcare and education when the had the chance...Yes this is awful

The only thing beyond realistic levels, is you thinking that a dollar or 2 increase is beyond realistic levels.

Ignore global warming? Is Bush's nickname "Ozone Man"? No! I believe that Al Gore. Isn't it?

Sure, taxing people sucks. But what sucks even more is the continuing, rising Natl Debt (http://zfacts.com/p/480.html) that Rebulicans keep building. Oh your GONNA pay. One way or the other! It's just that your gonna pay a whole lot more if you don't stark kickin' in now. It costs money to borrow money. Didn't you know that?

EDIT: No! Clinton didn't fix healthcare. His plan was shot down by Republicans. (how soon and convienetly they forget)

Excellent. I hope she does exactly that.

Getting rid of the border would be easier (as in "makes more sense" or "more directly addresses the real problem"). Cheaper too.

You want 500 bucks to buy more beer?

No, thanks. I'm still good.

Maybe we can go to the pub with Jefferson & Franklin and tell them we're *not* the USA ?? :) I'll fire up the Time Machine. On second thought, bring the beer...and some ice...

Getting rid of the border would be easier. Cheaper too.

An even better idea.

You have to be joking.

Nope, except insofar as I would prefer even more radical solutions, like complete free movement across the US/Mexico border.

Getting rid of the border would be easier (as in "makes more sense" or "more directly addresses the real problem"). Cheaper too.



That is why I fear Liberals.

An even better idea.



Nope, except insofar as I would prefer even more radical solutions, like complete free movement across the US/Mexico border.



Oh god, and you wonder why I fear liberals? THATS WHY!

That is why I fear Liberals.

I'm an anarchist, not a liberal. An anarcho-communist, to be precise.

I make Vladimir Lenin look like Rush Limbaugh.

That is why I fear Liberals.

I'm a "liberal" now. Heh.

Where's my super-cool official decoder ring?

I'm an anarchist, not a liberal.

An anarcho-communist, to be precise.

I make Vladimir Lenin look like Rush Limbaugh.



:rolleyes:

Where's my super-cool official decoder ring?

It's in the mail, next to your "I'm with Osama!" t-shirt.

I'm a "liberal" now. Heh.

Where's my super-cool official decoder ring?



Open Borders=Liberal

Open Borders=Liberal
You really just can't get the hang of this no unsuported generalizations can you?

Open Borders=Liberal

Does this also apply to the longest undefended border in the world which we share with our neighbors to the north, or only to those borders shared with people with all around higher levels of dermal pigmentation?

Open Borders=Liberal

What's funny is that you're against artificial manipulation of the labor market by the state when it's done to raise wages for low-income workers, but you're in favor of it when it's done to keep the Mexicans out.

I make Vladimir Lenin look like Rush Limbaugh.

Rush Limbaugh makes Rush Limbaugh look like Vladimir Lenin.

It's in the mail, next to your "I'm with Osama!" t-shirt.

Hey! Where is mine!

What's funny is that you're against artificial manipulation of the labor market by the state when it's done to raise wages for low-income workers, but you're in favor of it when it's done to keep the Mexicans out.

Nonsense, you see, as the Mexicans can simply immigrate legally. Sure, the present system is needlessly overcomplicated, expensive, and difficult to follow for a population that tends not to speak perfect English. And no one is in a particular hurry to change that. But that's not really our fault.

Is it?

Hey! Where is mine!

We've had trouble with delivery. Apparently our al Qaeda-linked Arab Muslim illegal immigrant workforce decided to go wreak havoc with family values in the nearby gay bar, instead of packing the shirts as they were supposed to.

Oh, well - we'll just raise taxes on hardworking Americans to pay for the ensuing trouble.

This just in... President Bush is "disappointed" with GOP losses.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061108/pl_nm/usa_elections_bush_dc

Which, actually brings up a question, will he start to work in a bi-partisan manner (which I am told he did and did well when the gov of Texas), or will he start quacking and hope that Vice President Cheney doesn't accidently shoot him?

This just in... President Bush is "disappointed" with GOP losses.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061108/pl_nm/usa_elections_bush_dc

Which, actually brings up a question, will he start to work in a bi-partisan manner (which I am told he did and did well when the gov of Texas), or will he start quacking and hope that Vice President Cheney doesn't accidently shoot him?

http://www.mobygames.com/images/i/08/28/148478.jpeg

This just in... President Bush is "disappointed" with GOP losses.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061108/pl_nm/usa_elections_bush_dc

Which, actually brings up a question, will he start to work in a bi-partisan manner (which I am told he did and did well when the gov of Texas), or will he start quacking and hope that Vice President Cheney doesn't accidently shoot him?

"He'll start by congratulating the winners and extend a hand for bipartisan cooperation to work on the issues facing our country. The elections are over but the issues still remain,"

Well, now that he doesn't have basically unlimited power, he's going to have to. Yay! *Confettis*

Really, I'm against parties, especially when one has nearly complete power.

So...

*does a Cossack dance*

Does this also apply to the longest undefended border in the world which we share with our neighbors to the north, or only to those borders shared with people with all around higher levels of dermal pigmentation?

It applies to all borders.

Really, I'm against parties, especially when one has nearly complete power.

Except that now, the DEMOCRATS have all the power. At least, that what I know about American politics.

At least, that what I know about American politics.

The Republicans have the Presidency.

This just in... President Bush is "disappointed" with GOP losses.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061108/pl_nm/usa_elections_bush_dc

Which, actually brings up a question, will he start to work in a bi-partisan manner (which I am told he did and did well when the gov of Texas), or will he start quacking and hope that Vice President Cheney doesn't accidently shoot him?

"There has to be a calculated decision by the Democrats," Snow said.
Huh?

The Republicans have the Presidency.

I was under the impression that the President was just a figurehead. You know, like the Bundespraesident.

Except that now, the DEMOCRATS have all the power. At least, that what I know about American politics.
How so? The GOP has the presidency and a lead on SCOTUS.

I was under the impression that the President was just a figurehead. You know, like the Bundespraesident.
Not particuarlly. President Clinton himself said it best after the GOP took Congress in 1994, the president is still relative.

It's the checks and ballances thingie.

I was under the impression that the President was just a figurehead. You know, like the Bundespraesident.

No. He can veto anything Congress passes, unless they overturn his veto with a two-thirds majority. As close as the current Congress is, I doubt Congress will exercise that power, especially since Bush prefers to just ignore clauses he doesn't like, instead of vetoing bills.

And as Commander-in-Chief, Bush has a great deal of control over Iraq policy.

No. He can veto anything Congress passes, unless they overturn his veto with a two-thirds majority. As close as the current Congress is, I doubt Congress will exercise that power, especially since Bush prefers to just ignore clauses he doesn't like, instead of vetoing bills.

So basically, he's there to negate anything that Congress does?

I was under the impression that the President was just a figurehead. You know, like the Bundespraesident.

The United States president has no direct relationship with the legislature. They were specifically designed to be separated, in fact, so that they would compete with each other over political power (as a "checks and balances" mechanism, each trying to gain the favor of the electorate, in theory).

The president is certainly not a figurehead. He is the embodiment of the executive power of the United States Government. (edit: Thus the US Govt. is presidential, not parliamentary)

So basically, he's there to negate anything that Congress does?
A bit more than that. He can veto, he also nominates judges to SCOTUS and other federal branches and all cabnet departments. The exec branch controls an awful lot of the federal government. Congress gets to hold the purse strings though.

So essentially, America is going to do nothing for the next two years?

So basically, he's there to negate anything that Congress does?

No, he has other powers as well, NERVUN lists them.

But a great deal of his power is just implicit, too; he has control over much of the policy agenda, for instance, even though this is not reflected in his technical powers.

I think there'll be gridlock. The Democrats are angry, and Bush is stubborn.

Not particuarlly. President Clinton himself said it best after the GOP took Congress in 1994, the president is still relative.

It's the checks and ballances thingie.
Do you mean relevant?

So essentially, America is going to do nothing for the next two years?

Hopefully.

So basically, he's there to negate anything that Congress does?

Eh, he has other powers. He controls the military, as the Commander in Chief. He can't declare war, as only Congress has that power(Fun Fact-The US hasn't declared war on Iraq ever!), he is our chief foreign diplomat, so to speak. A few others. He is *supposed* to be checked by Congress, and Congress by the President, and both by the Supreme Court, which in turn is checked by Congress through amendment making, and by the President for appointed them, which in turn is checked by Congress for approving them...

And so forth and so on. It's a marvelously complicated, yet quite beautiful system.

So essentially, America is going to do nothing for the next two years?

Unfortunately... no. More like "nothing new". Well, we won't screw things up anymore, I guess, but it's not likely to get much better.

Hopefully.

Well, if the Democrats can erode some of the Republican attacks on civil liberties, I'm not complaining.

Do you mean relevant?
Yup, sorry. My bad.

He controls the military, as the Commander in Chief. He can't declare war, as only Congress has that power


Technically. In reality, the Congress hasn't had the balls to actually do its job in a very long time.


(Fun Fact-The US hasn't declared war on Iraq ever!)


Or any other war since WWII (see above about the legislative branch's historical lack of testicular fortitude).

Well, if the Democrats can erode some of the Republican attacks on civil liberties, I'm not complaining.

As I've explained, I'd feel a lot better if the Democrats weren't also the chief accomplice to the crime. Tonight we made the burglar chief of police.

As I've explained, I'd feel a lot better if the Democrats weren't also the chief accomplice to the crime. Tonight we made the burglar chief of police.

Better than the serial killer, yes?

Well, if the Democrats can erode some of the Republican attacks on civil liberties, I'm not complaining.

i'm still holding out a bit of hope for the investigative ground work of a future trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

i'm still holding out a bit of hope for the investigative ground work of a future trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I'm not that optimistic... Pelosi already said no to impeachment, so I don't expect anything serious in that regard.

All I really expect is a break in the Republican onslaught, but at this point that's enough to justify supporting cowardly opportunists.

Well, if the Democrats can erode some of the Republican attacks on civil liberties, I'm not complaining.

And erode some liberties on their own. I loathe both parties.

And erode some liberties on their own.

I doubt it, unless it's through cooperation with the Republicans.

Well, not "liberties" I'm particularly concerned for, anyway.

Better than the serial killer, yes?

They can't really be better than themselves.

And erode some liberties on their own. I loathe both parties.

Eh, that'd require Bush to work with them. Which is highly doubtful. The dems in Congress are probably a bit bitter towards him currently, and he probably a bit bitter as well. So, yeah, kind of a stalemate for most issues, I would assume.

And I, as well, loathe both parties, and the bipartisan system.

Well this sucks..
-Packs bags and heads for Canada.-

They can't really be better than themselves.

Well, not all of them voted for the war - two-thirds of the House Democrats didn't, as well as a good number of the Senators, and none of the new ones, as far as I know, backed it.

Well this sucks..
-Packs bags and heads for Canada.-

Why Candadia? If you're Republican, you're heading to liberal paradise, if Democrat, your running prematurely from a possible Democrat victory!

And if your a pessimistic moderate, well you'll find the same politics everywhere.

So, heh.

As I've explained, I'd feel a lot better if the Democrats weren't also the chief accomplice to the crime. Tonight we made the burglar chief of police.

Better than the crime boss.

I doubt it, unless it's through cooperation with the Republicans.

Well, not "liberties" I'm particularly concerned for, anyway.

Aren't all liberties to be concerned for?

-Shrugs-
Beats Cuba and sure as heck beats Mexico (No offense.)

I'm just getting tired of this two-sided issue. I could swear that there was supposed to be a balance to this entire governmental system. Now there are Republicans and Democrats, both of which I hate. Republicans like laws, and little boys, but mostly laws..and war. Democrats are a bunch of liberals that will go with anything just to get elected. Why else would you see alot of negative campaigning about George Bush? If I had it my way, the middile party would be the majority. Ah well, let the hippies have their way. I'm off for cheap meds.:p

So could we maybe get a running tally together?

Aren't all liberties to be concerned for?

There's a reason the term is in quotes. We may disagree on what does and does not qualify as a "liberty."

If the Democrats go after guns, I'm with you.

If I had it my way, the middile party would be the majority.

middle of what?

There's a reason the term is in quotes. We may disagree on what does and does not qualify as a "liberty."

If the Democrats go after guns, I'm with you.

Bah, only the most extreme go after guns, and I'm sure one could find plenty of repubs go after them.

And yes, if they go after guns, I'm on board. Being a Minnesota, it's impossible not be pro-gun.

Left-Extremest, Democrat, Middle, Republican, Right-Extremest


That middle...

Democrats swept the House, eh? Good, good. One step on the way to eliminating the two party system. How? Simple. The current victory will start to place the final cracks in the Republican party that will cause it to shatter. Once it shatters, a void will open up. The key will be to fill that void with several strong parties rather than just one, and to use the void to slowly submerge the Democratic party as well. The day for their destruction shall come soon as well. Once they are both under, we can finally start switching to a three-or-more-party system, along with proportional representation and all that jazz.

Left-Extremest, Democrat, Middle, Republican, Right-Extremest


That middle...

Meh, that makes it sound like Dems and Republicans are the midpoint between Left and Right Extremist, respectively. Really, it would look something like this:


Left Extremist-------------D-M-R-------------Right Extremist.

Who's gunna try and take our beloved guns? They can kiss my "Right to bear Arms"!! Yee-haw!

Who's gunna try and take our beloved guns? They can kiss my "Right to bear Arms"!! Yee-haw!

A few jerks who argue semantics over the true meaning of a comma. No kidding.

Meh, that makes it sound like Dems and Republicans are the midpoint between Left and Right Extremist, respectively. Really, it would look something like this:


Left Extremist-------------D-M-R-------------Right Extremist.

Well...yeah. -shrugs- What do I know? I just hate everything but the center.

There's a reason the term is in quotes. We may disagree on what does and does not qualify as a "liberty."

If the Democrats go after guns, I'm with you.

I have a sneaky feeling the "assault weapons ban" will rear its ugly head again.

I have a sneaky feeling the "assault weapons ban" will rear its ugly head again.

The Democrats know they'll lose on gun control, though - they don't want to give the Republicans another wedge issue.

They haven't been talking about it since 2000, anyway.

I'm not that optimistic... Pelosi already said no to impeachment, so I don't expect anything serious in that regard.

yeah, but we might still get an investigation or two. and even a cursory glance should be enough to adequately document at least one war crime. we'll just have to find some other way to prosecute it at a later date.

All I really expect is a break in the Republican onslaught, but at this point that's enough to justify supporting cowardly opportunists.

my thoughts exactly. though it's looking suspiciously like my streak of never being 'represented' by anyone even remotely close to my politics will continue a bit longer.

A few jerks who argue semantics over the true meaning of a comma. No kidding.

Hmm.
I still think that voting should be compulsory though. I mean...did everyone seriously want some of these fools running this country? If not compulsory, at least do something to make it seem more 'open' in a sense that one state cannot just trump the entire election due to the electorial votes...wait..I'm talking about the presidential election again, aren't I?:p

I have a sneaky feeling the "assault weapons ban" will rear its ugly head again.

No one in their right mind right now would even consider it. Why? Presidential election in '08, andthat is far to much of a hot button issue to even get near.

Anyone see "Man of the Year"? Wow, that really got me thinking.:p

Woah woah woah. Why not we just have an alternating control of the House and Senate? That way one year the Democrats will be in control, then the next year would be the Republicans, then the next will be a Middle-Oriented party, and we keep rotating. Yeah, it'll be confusing, but it'll be more fair.

I have a sneaky feeling the "assault weapons ban" will rear its ugly head again.

of course, that's one of like three issues that essentially everyone in the country agrees on. ban assault weapons, raise the minimum wage, and kick insurance companies in the teeth.

Anyone see "Man of the Year"? Wow, that really got me thinking.:p

Woah woah woah. Why not we just have an alternating control of the House and Senate? That way one year the Democrats will be in control, then the next year would be the Republicans, then the next will be a Middle-Oriented party, and we keep rotating. Yeah, it'll be confusing, but it'll be more fair.

can I just say that's the worst idea ever?


remember that whole 'elections' thing?

or the whole 'the people choose who leads them' thing?

yea: those are sorta important.

can I just say that's the worst idea ever?


remember that whole 'elections' thing?

or the whole 'the people choose who leads them' thing?

yea: those are sorta important.

Only works if the people actually vote now doesn't it?:rolleyes:

yeah, but we might still get an investigation or two. and even a cursory glance should be enough to adequately document at least one war crime. we'll just have to find some other way to prosecute it at a later date.

Cheney already admitted to torture, but it's an open question as to whether the Democrats will ever pursue that.

With a few notable exceptions, they did after all ignore the NSA wiretaps, and the signing statements, and the MCA, and so on.

my thoughts exactly. though it's looking suspiciously like my streak of never being 'represented' by anyone even remotely close to my politics will continue a bit longer.

Eh, I'll be happy if people "even remotely close to my politics" start moving things in the right direction within the next fifty years... of course, if they don't, we might all be dead, making it a moot question.

of course, that's one of like three issues that essentially everyone in the country agrees on. ban assault weapons, raise the minimum wage, and kick insurance companies in the teeth.

I guess I'm not one of the "essentially everyones" because I strongly disagree with all three. There's no such thing as an assault weapon; raising minimum wage costs jobs and crushes businesses; and insurance companies bite back. With big teeth. Like alligators.

Woof.

(Yes, somewhere between five minutes ago and now, alligators assumed the ability to bark. I don't know how, either.)

Eh, I'll be happy if people "even remotely close to my politics" start moving things in the right direction within the next fifty years... of course, if they don't, we might all be dead, making it a moot question.

Care to help me dig an underground bunker?:p

(Yes, somewhere between five minutes ago and now, alligators assumed the ability to bark. I don't know how, either.)

Actually, I would kind of think that they do 'bark' in some sense...they sure as hell bite... -rubs sore bottom-

Left-Extremest, Democrat, Middle, Republican, Right-Extremest


That middle...

completely imaginary

completely imaginary

:( Please let me dream...it's all I have left...my dreams...and this vodka.

:( Please let me dream...it's all I have left...my dreams...and this vodka.

*steals vodka; crushes dreams*

Muahaha.

I guess I'm not one of the "essentially everyones" because I strongly disagree with all three. There's no such thing as an assault weapon; raising minimum wage costs jobs and crushes businesses; and insurance companies bite back. With big teeth. Like alligators.

Woof.

(Yes, somewhere between five minutes ago and now, alligators assumed the ability to bark. I don't know how, either.)

A Tech-9, Semi-automatic, that holds 30 rounds, is not required to kill a deer.

Staggering Minimum wage increases crime. And what business? I KNOW you don't mean small business. I KNOW you dont mean the Ye Old "Mom & Pop" establishment. Thier dropping like flies. Where you been?

Democrats are not afraid of Insurance companies.

Crikey!

Actually, I would kind of think that they do 'bark' in some sense...they sure as hell bite... -rubs sore bottom-

I suppose. I just had the...umm...misfortune, I guess, of seeing a video of a man getting his hand torn apart by a gator..because he was stupid enough to put it in the thing's mouth.

A Tech-9, Semi-automatic, that holds 30 rounds, is not required to kill a deer.

No, but it's fun as hell to fire.


Staggering Minimum wage increases crime. And what business? I KNOW you don't mean small business. I KNOW you dont mean the Ye Old "Mom & Pop" establishment. Thier dropping like flies. Where you been?

So kill them faster? There's a local grocery store here, family owned, and it will go under undoubtedly if min wage is raised.


Democrats are not afraid of Insurance companies.

Crikey!

Democrats are afraid of their own shadows. ;)

// some good-natured jabbing from an angry Libertarian who wants to dismantle the government //

-Sniffles.-

Ah to hell with it. Dreams are for poor chaps without a woman in their life.

Do you not just love idiots?

"Hey Bob! Let's see if this gator will bite me hand!"

*Dumbass puts hand in gator's mouth....CRUNCH.*

"Oh my god! Oh my god!"

So kill them faster? There's a local grocery store here, family owned, and it will go under undoubtedly if min wage is raised.

except for the part where everyone else in the town who shops there also have their wages raised.

the more money your customers have to spend, the more money they will spend on you.

-Sniffles.-

Ah to hell with it. Dreams are for poor chaps without a woman in their life.

Do you not just love idiots?

"Hey Bob! Let's see if this gator will bite me hand!"

*Dumbass puts hand in gator's mouth....CRUNCH.*

"Oh my god! Oh my god!"

If only he'd tasted good, the gator might have eaten the rest of him and earned him a Darwin Award.

except for the part where everyone else in the town who shops there also have their wages raised.

the more money your customers have to spend, the more money they will spend on you.

Not unless if those folks are all laid off to keep the business running.

Take Dell for example. Massive lay-offs so that they can set up a manufacturing plant in India.

If only he'd tasted good, the gator might have eaten the rest of him and earned him a Darwin Award.

YAY!!!! :) A Darwin Award knower! (Has no flippen clue if that's a word.)

YAY!!!! :) A Darwin Award knower! (Has no flippen clue if that's a word.)

No, it is not a word. You have taken the first step towards winning one yourself ;)