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http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1941167,00.html

And here's a link to the poem itself: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2006/11/06/1106poem.pdf

Apparently she thinks it is "incredibly childish and churlish for anyone to make something big of this". Really? A Tory councillor, and approved candidate for Parliament, sending a racist poem (with the line 'Send this to every British taxpayer you know' at the end) shouldn't be brought to the attention of the British public? I don't give a shit if she has Asian friends or German in-laws, the poem is still racist and she should have deleted it as soon as it arrived in her in-box. I hope she's kicked out of the party for good...though she'll probably find she'd be welcomed with open arms by the BNP.

I kinda thought that the "Piss off we're full" painted on the cliff was funny. And I find it really weird that the same email exists in a UK version... I've been sent a Canadian version before. But yeah, that's a little messed up and she's rightfully suspended.

'I have [minority group] friends'- the standard racist response. The link to the poem is broken... It sounds rather offensive to me, though. She was probably rightly suspended.

'I have [minority group] friends'- the standard racist response. The link to the poem is broken... It sounds rather offensive to me, though. She was probably rightly suspended.
Hmm, sorry. It still works for me, and, I assume, Dakini. Give me a sec and I'll type it out for you.

Illegal Immigrants Poem
I cross ocean, poor and broke.
Take bus, see employment folk.
Nice man treat me good in there.
Say I need to see welfare.

Welfare say, "You come no more,
We send cash right to your door."
Welfare cheques - they make you wealthy!
NHS - it keeps you healthy!

By and by, I got plenty money
Thanks to you, British dummy!
Write to friends in motherland.
Tell them "come fast as you can"

They come in turbans and Ford trucks.
I buy big house with welfare bucks!
They come here, we live together.
More welfare cheques, it gets better!

Fourteen families, they moving in,
But neighbour's patience wearing thin.
Finally, white guy moves away.
Now I buy his house, then I say,

"Find more aliens for house to rent."
And in the yard I put a tent.
Everything is very good,
And soon we own the neighbourhood.

We have hobby, it's called breeding.
Welfare pay for baby feeding.
Kids need dentist? Wife need pills?
We get free! We got no bills!

Britain crazy! They pay all year,
To keep welfare running here.
We think UK darn good place.
Too darn good for the white man race!

If they no like us, they can scram.
Got lots of room in Pakistan!

Then at the bottom there's a picture of a boat approching the white cliffs of Dover which have the words 'Piss off, we're full' written on them.

The best way to deal with her?

Attack chicken!

http://pictureserver.funnyjunk.com/pics2/ninjakid.gif

Hmm, sorry. It still works for me, and, I assume, Dakini. Give me a sec and I'll type it out for you.

poem worked fine here

The best way to deal with her?

Attack chicken!

http://pictureserver.funnyjunk.com/pics2/ninjakid.gif
Is that going to be your solution to everything for the next week? :p

Maybe we should release them in Congress...

Well it still doesn't work for me. So nyah :p . Just because I have dial-up after exceeding my download limit for the month...

Is that going to be your solution to everything for the next week? :p


Until somebody comes up with an attack hedgehog, yeah. :p

Well it still doesn't work for me. So nyah :p . Just because I have dial-up after exceeding my download limit for the month...

Stop downloading so much porn, and you won't have that problem. ;)

Stop downloading so much porn, and you won't have that problem. ;)
I find it highly offensive that you refer to the Medieval II Total War demo as porn. Although it does give the same feeling. <.< >.>

Then at the bottom there's a picture of a boat approching the white cliffs of Dover

A boat with a French flag, from the looks of it. Apparently they think swarming hordes of dark-skinned Frenchmen are invading Britain and scaling the cliffs of Dover...


Attack chicken!

http://pictureserver.funnyjunk.com/pics2/ninjakid.gif

Brilliant! :D

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1941167,00.html

And here's a link to the poem itself: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2006/11/06/1106poem.pdf

Apparently she thinks it is "incredibly childish and churlish for anyone to make something big of this". Really? A Tory councillor, and approved candidate for Parliament, sending a racist poem (with the line 'Send this to every British taxpayer you know' at the end) shouldn't be brought to the attention of the British public? I don't give a shit if she has Asian friends or German in-laws, the poem is still racist and she should have deleted it as soon as it arrived in her in-box. I hope she's kicked out of the party for good...though she'll probably find she'd be welcomed with open arms by the BNP.

sounds like a tory to me...

i'm surprised the Daily Mail didn't come up with that one. they'd have been proud ;)

The best way to deal with her?

Attack chicken!

http://pictureserver.funnyjunk.com/pics2/ninjakid.gif

Save the attack chicken for Congress, send in Ruffy.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/ruffy.jpg

A boat with a French flag, from the looks of it. Apparently they think swarming hordes of dark-skinned Frenchmen are invading Britain and scaling the cliffs of Dover...
I hadn't noticed that. Good spot. You think they'd have had the sense to change the flag. Although if they didn't have the sense to delete the email and make sure it didn't get into the national press...:rolleyes:

As am immigrant to this country I am not happy with the fairly lax enforcement of immigration laws.

Someone should either be approved for a working visa or they should be approved as a refugee.

In the UK it is almost impossible to deport someone who is found to be a failed refugeee, which makes the case of real refugees all that much harder by taking up resources and slowing their applications.

Illegal immigration is the worst enemy of refugees in this country. And it should be stamped down on hard. They should be deported as soon as theyir bogus status is determined.

As am immigrant to this country I am not happy with the fairly lax enforcement of immigration laws.

Someone should either be approved for a working visa or they should be approved as a refugee.

In the UK it is almost impossible to deport someone who is found to be a failed refugeee, which makes the case of real refugees all that much harder by taking up resources and slowing their applications.

Illegal immigration is the worst enemy of refugees in this country. And it should be stamped down on hard. They should be deported as soon as theyir bogus status is determined.
Yes, they should be deported asap, but it can take a lot of time to process applications for asylum. It isn't almost impossible to deport immigrants - in 2005, 13730 asylum seekers were removed from this country (about 2000 more if you include dependants), out of a total of 33940 applications. Source. (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/hosb1406.pdf)

That poem's funny 'cause it's true.

I love how she points out that she can't be racist because she has German in-laws *lol

:D

That poem's funny 'cause it's true.
Right...because of course you're fully aware of the general socio-demographic situation and the machinations of the welfare state in the UK aren't you?

Wow, that's pretty offensive. I remember something now- I saw a BBC program recently that said something like 400 out of several thousand immigrants actually claim welfare and suchlike. I don't remember the numbers, but hardly any immigrants at all actually leech off the system like the anti-immigrants claim.

Right...because of course you're fully aware of the general socio-demographic situation and the machinations of the welfare state in the UK aren't you?

Aw, lay off him. He just has no sense of humour.

Yes, they should be deported asap, but it can take a lot of time to process applications for asylum. It isn't almost impossible to deport immigrants - in 2005, 13730 asylum seekers were removed from this country (about 2000 more if you include dependants), out of a total of 33940 applications. Source. (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/hosb1406.pdf)

So... 44,000 failed and 15,000 (rounding a bit) were deported.

So only a third of failed asylum seekers were booted out.

Pretty poor really.

And that is a VAST improvement from the previous year where the numbers were about 64,000 and 13,000.

I love how she points out that she can't be racist because she has German in-laws *lol

:D

Germans are a race in themselves; the MASTER race. :rolleyes:

So... 44,000 failed and 15,000 (rounding a bit) were deported.

So only a third of failed asylum seekers were booted out.

Pretty poor really.

And that is a VAST improvement from the previous year where the numbers were about 64,000 and 13,000.
True, but it certainly pours water on your claim that it's 'almost impossible' to deport illegal immigrants...;)

And the general trend is of a decreasing number of illegal immigrants coming to this country, and an increasing number of them being deported.

Germans are a race in themselves; the MASTER race. :rolleyes:
I think Cabra was right in saying you have no sense of humour.

Having German in-laws doesn't make you not racist. It's completely irrelevant. If Nick Griffin married a woman with German in-laws, would that automatically mean he's not racist? No.

It'd probably just mean he didn't realise, and then when he did he'd try to get a divorce. :p

True, but it certainly pours water on your claim that it's 'almost impossible' to deport illegal immigrants...;)

And the general trend is of a decreasing number of illegal immigrants coming to this country, and an increasing number of them being deported.

I note however that the numbers suggest that we are knowingly allowing a similar number of failed asylum seekers to stay to the number of real asylum seekers...

Now - why can't we deport the failed ones? What is so hard that they can't be loaded up and shipped/flown off? A third is better than none, but still pretty poor.

Germans are a race in themselves; the MASTER race. :rolleyes:

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Save the attack chicken for Congress, send in Ruffy.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/ruffy.jpg

I have been trumped! LOL!

I note however that the numbers suggest that we are knowingly allowing a similar number of failed asylum seekers to stay to the number of real asylum seekers...
You should remember that failed asylum seekers are held in secure facilities (such as this (http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/immigrationremovalcentres/oakingtonremovalcentre) one) so they can't escape and support a military coup against the government...or something.

Now - why can't we deport the failed ones? What is so hard that they can't be loaded up and shipped/flown off? A third is better than none, but still pretty poor.
Probably because of the right of appeal we give to failed asylum seekers. If you read pages 78-80 of the pdf I linked earlier it details the grounds on which appeals can be made.

I'm just waiting for Ny to find this and spout indignant spittle about how this 'proves' that Britain has become a mecca for Muslims.

I think Cabra was right in saying you have no sense of humour.

Having German in-laws doesn't make you not racist. It's completely irrelevant. If Nick Griffin married a woman with German in-laws, would that automatically mean he's not racist? No.

It'd probably just mean he didn't realise, and then when he did he'd try to get a divorce. :p

See, that's the thing; that was a joke.

http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/smilies/Standard/rotfl.gif

I hope you're laughing at the joke, and not because you think that I believe that.

Thats hilarious, and accurately depicts the majority of immigrants in anu case. Bollocks she should be suspended.

Yes, they should be deported asap, but it can take a lot of time to process applications for asylum. It isn't almost impossible to deport immigrants - in 2005, 13730 asylum seekers were removed from this country (about 2000 more if you include dependants), out of a total of 33940 applications. Source. (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/hosb1406.pdf)

Thats why illegal immigrants should either be shot, or used as slave labour. The latter would kill two birds with one stone, and, when alloyed to repatriation and the ceassation of immigration, would be wonderful.

I'm just waiting for Ny to find this and spout indignant spittle about how this 'proves' that Britain has become a mecca for Muslims.
Looks like he won't be doing it for a few days, though. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11913899&postcount=10)

What an eejit....

Nice to see that Cameron’s successfully reformed the Tory party.

Looks like he won't be doing it for a few days, though. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11913899&postcount=10)

I've got a new dairy product out. It's called "I Can't Believe I Didn't Get In Trouble For That One!"

Thats hilarious, and accurately depicts the majority of immigrants in anu case. Bollocks she should be suspended.
It's not hilarious, it's flagrantly racist. If you find that funny, maybe you should re-assess your own moral values. And of course she should be suspended, even if for no other reason than the Tory party is not dumb enough (really :p ) to not take action over this. Imagine if they did nothing - they'd lose a lot of their support. Just because it doesn't say that it's endorsed by the Tory party doesn't matter. It has the Tory name attached to it because both the councillor and her husband (also a councillor) are associated with it.

Thats why illegal immigrants should either be shot, or used as slave labour. The latter would kill two birds with one stone, and, when alloyed to repatriation and the ceassation of immigration, would be wonderful.

It seems extremely weird that someone as right as you could have such a higher post count than me.

It's not hilarious, it's flagrantly racist. If you find that funny, maybe you should re-assess your own moral values..

What? It is kind of funny. Like when you see a guy with the ass of his pants on fire, or a car getting blown away by the force of airplane engines...

It's not hilarious, it's flagrantly racist. If you find that funny, maybe you should re-assess your own moral values. And of course she should be suspended, even if for no other reason than the Tory party is not dumb enough (really :p ) to not take action over this. Imagine if they did nothing - they'd lose a lot of their support. Just because it doesn't say that it's endorsed by the Tory party doesn't matter. It has the Tory name attached to it because both the councillor and her husband (also a councillor) are associated with it.

Its opposing scrounging, unwanted and irreconcilable aliens. What on earth is wrong with that?

In any case, I dispute its being racist. Nowhere therein are the words that are generally the apparatus of the racist used.

Thats why illegal immigrants should either be shot, or used as slave labour. The latter would kill two birds with one stone, and, when alloyed to repatriation and the ceassation of immigration, would be wonderful.
Yes, thanks for your fascist views. The current system works fine. We have a lower rate of immigration than most other developed countries, and a lower percentage of our population was born outside their country of residence than America, Germany and France to name but a few.

Shot or enslaved? I'd rather be black and living in 1970s South Africa than an illegal immigrant in a country run by you.

It seems extremely weird that someone as right as you could have such a higher post count than me.

Why?

Given you don't really know TBC yet, heres a quick lesson; it depends on how bad a mood I'm in as to how right wing I am.

Its opposing scrounging, unwanted and irreconcilable aliens. What on earth is wrong with that?

In any case, I dispute its being racist. Nowhere therein are the words that are generally the apparatus of the racist used.

Dude, how can you still BE HERE? Are you a mod's brother or something? If I said that shit... fucking CHOP!

okay, sorry but why exactly was she suspended?

Yes, thanks for your fascist views. The current system works fine. We have a lower rate of immigration than most other developed countries, and a lower percentage of our population was born outside their country of residence than America, Germany and France to name but a few.

Shot or enslaved? I'd rather be black and living in 1970s South Africa than an illegal immigrant in a country run by you.

Good for you.

The current system induces a diminution in patriotism, national unity and nationalism, whilst raising taxation, flooding the UK electorate with self-serving foreigners, and diminshing what little glory remains in Britain.

okay, sorry but why exactly was she suspended?

SHE?

EDIT: This post looks extremely weird right now, but I thought you were referring to this post:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11913899&postcount=10

okay, sorry but why exactly was she suspended?
Because the Tories are reaching out to a more centrist kind of voter, the fabled ‘Middle England’, and don’t want to associate themselves with an idiotic, racist author of fairly shoddy poetry.

Dude, how can you still BE HERE? Are you a mod's brother or something? If I said that shit... fucking CHOP!

Because theres nothing wrong with it. Now if I said "unwanted n****r", that'd be different.....

paranoia setting in.....

Its opposing scrounging, unwanted and irreconcilable aliens. What on earth is wrong with that?
No it isn't. It's implying that all immigrants, illegal or not (despite the title), are 'scrounging, unwanted and irreconcilable'. I'd prefer it if there weren't any immigrants like that as well, but I'd rather not live in a country that's a Daily Mail reader's wet dream.

In any case, I dispute its being racist. Nowhere therein are the words that are generally the apparatus of the racist used.
Right. Implying that all immigrants wear turbans. The phrase 'white man race'. The implication that the only reason immigrants come here is because of the extraordinarily generous benefit system (yeah? Surely if that were the case then every frikkin' immigrant in the world would be coming here? :rolleyes:). The implication that immigrants try to force white people out of neighbourhoods because of their 'hobby' of breeding...

No, it's not racist at all...:rolleyes:

SHE?

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The current system induces a diminution in patriotism, national unity and nationalism, whilst raising taxation, flooding the UK electorate with self-serving foreigners, and diminshing what little glory remains in Britain.
*sings* Posting like it’s 1969

Because the Tories are reaching out to a more centrist kind of voter, the fabled ‘Middle England’, and don’t want to associate themselves with an idiotic, racist author of fairly shoddy poetry.

Centrist? The middle classes? not a chance.

The Tories merely want to regain the votes of "Ford Mondeo man" and "white van man", neither of whom are remotely middle class to my mind.

okay, sorry but why exactly was she suspended?
I'd hope it's because, by having a racist poem in her in-box, she was implicitly supporting racism.

In reality, it's likely that the Conservative party won't bother with a 'full investigation' and will reinstate her once all this has blown over.

Because theres nothing wrong with it. Now if I said "unwanted n****r", that'd be different.....

paranoia setting in.....

Actually, my views are usually similar to yours, only milder.

Good for you.

The current system induces a diminution in patriotism, national unity and nationalism, whilst raising taxation, flooding the UK electorate with self-serving foreigners, and diminshing what little glory remains in Britain.
If you mean the current system of government, I'd agree. If you're talking about one of the strictest immigration policies in the world, I'm going to call bullshit and tell you to actually try and find out something about a subject before you start spouting crap about it.

Centrist? The middle classes? not a chance.

The Tories merely want to regain the votes of “Ford Mondeo man” and “white van man”, neither of whom are remotely middle class to my mind.
Not the middle classes, Middle England; the semi-fictional group of voters that decide UK elections by swinging between Labour and the Conservatives.

I'd hope it's because, by having a racist poem in her in-box, she was implicitly supporting racism.

In reality, it's likely that the Conservative party won't bother with a 'full investigation' and will reinstate her once all this has blown over.

is it illegal to be racist there? do they read everyone's email?

okay, sorry but why exactly was she suspended?

Because theres nothing wrong with it. Now if I said "unwanted n****r", that'd be different.....

paranoia setting in.....

its not the words used, but what was said...

'britain for britons only' is a pretty hardline nationalist sentiment, and while the colour of skin or race may have only been alluded to in the poem, the anti-multiculural sentiment of the poem is clear. if this MP was agreeing with it by sending it on, then the Tories have a nationalistic pseudo-racist on their hands, and anti-multiculturalism doesn't go down well in this country.

evidently if it was just one persons opinion then there'd be no problem. as this lady is an MP she carries the opinons of her constituents.... i think it should really be up to them whether she stays or goes. frankly i'd like her to stay - having such a person on board would make it easier to attack and discredit the tories, and make it harder for them to gain any ground in the next election.
though, at least one tory has actual opinions on things *coughCameroncough* :D

Not the middle classes, Middle England; the semi-fictional group of voters that decide UK elections by swinging between Labour and the Conservatives.

You're thinking of Key Marginal Constituencies.

Middle England is a generally right-wing, Daily Mail Reading exclusively Tory voting group. Kind of like my grandma.

Middle England originally indicated the central region of England, now almost always referred to as the Midlands.

The primary meaning of the term is now a political or sociological one (as is also the case for Middle America and Middle Australia). It principally indicates the middle classes or lower-middle classes of non-urban England, but also carries connotations of "Deep England".

The term is used by journalists to refer to the presumed views of mainstream English people as opposed to minorities of all types (the rich or the poor, ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians, the politically active, the intelligentsia, etc.) In particular it is increasingly used to denote the more right-wing views of those who are not in such minorities; Daily Mail readers, for example, are often characterised as being from Middle England as are members of the Countryside Alliance. Residents of Middle England are also sometimes referred to as the "silent" or "moral majority" in the media. The term Mondeo man - somebody who drives a Ford Mondeo - has become an archetype for Middle England.

is it illegal to be racist there? do they read everyone's email?
It's not illegal per se, but her employers (the Tory party) are allowed to suspend her. Officially she's probably been suspended due to 'inappropriate behaviour'.

And the story says the Liberal Democrats lodged the original complaint with the Commission for Racial Equality. It's likely that the email was forwarded to a member of the Lib Dems (for whatever reason) and that person didn't like what they saw.

is it illegal to be racist there? do they read everyone’s email?
No, it’s not illegal per se to voice racist views (and neither should it be IMO), but representatives of the people are expected to have a more enlightened view than OMG!!!turbans!!!!!!!!11111

And the Liberal Democrats reported the councillor to the Commission for Racial Equality after obtaining a copy of the email.

EDIT>> jinx IV, jinx!

its not the words used, but what was said...

'britain for britons only' is a pretty hardline nationalist sentiment, and while the colour of skin or race may have only been alluded to in the poem, the anti-multiculural sentiment of the poem is clear. if this MP was agreeing with it by sending it on, then the Tories have a nationalistic pseudo-racist on their hands, and anti-multiculturalism doesn't go down well in this country.

evidently if it was just one persons opinion then there'd be no problem. as this lady is an MP she carries the opinons of her constituents.... i think it should really be up to them whether she stays or goes. frankly i'd like her to stay - having such a person on board would make it easier to attack and discredit the tories, and make it harder for them to gain any ground in the next election.
though, at least one tory has actual opinions on things *coughCameroncough* :D

Sorry to correct you PM, but she's only a councillor - she's on the list of approved candidates the Tory party has for potential MPs. Well, she was.

No, it’s not illegal per se to voice racist views (and neither should it be IMO), but representatives of the people are expected to have a more enlightened view than OMG!!!turbans!!!!!!!!11111

And the Liberal Democrats reported the councillor to the Commission for Racial Equality after obtaining a copy of the email.

EDIT>> jinx IV, jinx!
Are you behind me...?

*turns round suddenly*

I swear I saw a shadow suddenly disappear...:p

Sorry to correct you PM, but she's only a councillor - she's on the list of approved candidates the Tory party has for potential MPs. Well, she was.

fair dues, i read that thing, like, hours ago (and i have the memory of a fish) :p

though still, she's a public figure, in the public domain, and wanting to run for MP. much as i dislike the tories, i'll bet they don't want a vote-loser on their bench...

You’re thinking of Key Marginal Constituencies.

Middle England is a generally right-wing, Daily Mail Reading exclusively Tory voting group. Kind of like my grandma.
I would posit, and it appears your wikipedia article you linked to agrees with me, that Middle England and the KMC’s are one and the same.

It's not illegal per se, but her employers (the Tory party) are allowed to suspend her. Officially she's probably been suspended due to 'inappropriate behaviour'.

And the story says the Liberal Democrats lodged the original complaint with the Commission for Racial Equality. It's likely that the email was forwarded to a member of the Lib Dems (for whatever reason) and that person didn't like what they saw.

oh, wait, so it's not like a government suspension? if it's like her private employer....I don't know. Can you explain? I am confused.

a more enlightened view than OMG!!!turbans!!!!!!!!11111


lmao! :p
if i wasn't in the office i'd be lmao anyway :(

No it isn't. It's implying that all immigrants, illegal or not (despite the title), are 'scrounging, unwanted and irreconcilable'. I'd prefer it if there weren't any immigrants like that as well, but I'd rather not live in a country that's a Daily Mail reader's wet dream.


Right. Implying that all immigrants wear turbans. The phrase 'white man race'. The implication that the only reason immigrants come here is because of the extraordinarily generous benefit system (yeah? Surely if that were the case then every frikkin' immigrant in the world would be coming here? :rolleyes:). The implication that immigrants try to force white people out of neighbourhoods because of their 'hobby' of breeding...

No, it's not racist at all...:rolleyes:

Did she ever state that every illegal immigrant was homogenous?

In any case, the majority of immigrants, illegal or shamefully legal, do not contribute to Britain to an extent that counteracts the burden they place upon it, whilst one must also consider that a good proportion of the electorate would much rather they weren't there in any case.

oh, wait, so it's not like a government suspension? if it's like her private employer....I don't know. Can you explain? I am confused.
Her employers are technically the people of whatever town she's a councillor in. However, as she is a member of the Tory party, and a representative of the party, her membership can be suspended (and so any post she holds as a representative of the Tories).

Although I'd guess that the people of her town aren't necessarily so enamoured of her now they've heard about this.

its not the words used, but what was said...

'britain for britons only' is a pretty hardline nationalist sentiment, and while the colour of skin or race may have only been alluded to in the poem, the anti-multiculural sentiment of the poem is clear. if this MP was agreeing with it by sending it on, then the Tories have a nationalistic pseudo-racist on their hands, and anti-multiculturalism doesn't go down well in this country.

evidently if it was just one persons opinion then there'd be no problem. as this lady is an MP she carries the opinons of her constituents.... i think it should really be up to them whether she stays or goes. frankly i'd like her to stay - having such a person on board would make it easier to attack and discredit the tories, and make it harder for them to gain any ground in the next election.
though, at least one tory has actual opinions on things *coughCameroncough* :D


Firstly, multiculturalism is dire, and frankly the only migrants of any merit to have been derived from it are Hindu. Moreover, "Britain for Britons" makes complete sense.

In any case, the majority of immigrants, illegal or shamefully legal, do not contribute to Britain to an extent that counteracts the burden they place upon it, whilst one must also consider that a good proportion of the electorate would much rather they weren’t there in any case.
Yeah, like all those bloody Poles, coming over ‘ere, taking our jobs.

No, wait. Coming over here, doing the jobs we don’t want, really, really well.

Did she ever state that every illegal immigrant was homogenous?
No. She said nothing. She implicitly supported racism by keeping and forwarding the email. That's not my point, seeing as I was arguing that the poem itself was racist and not the woman. Pay attention.

In any case, the majority of immigrants, illegal or shamefully legal, do not contribute to Britain to an extent that counteracts the burden they place upon it, whilst one must also consider that a good proportion of the electorate would much rather they weren't there in any case.
You have any sources at all that back up this ridiculous view?

Maybe you could start by explaining 'the burden' that they place on Britain. This would be the burden of approximately 10% of the tax the government collects, and the not insignificant contribution to our economy.

Maybe you could explain why it is shameful that we have legal immigrants in this country?

Maybe you could show me anything that supports your claim that 'a good proportion of the electorate' wishes we didn't have any immigrants? Maybe you could even define 'a good proportion'?

Firstly, multiculturalism is dire, and frankly the only migrants of any merit to have been derived from it are Hindu. Moreover, "Britain for Britons" makes complete sense.

well then, sir, i completely disagree.
i guess you'd vote for this woman. i'd hope (and expect) most british voters would not, however.

What teh fook?
A Tory councillor,sending out a racist email?
Well I never!
Though,in all seriousness,it is disgusting.Representatives of the country should NOT be sending that out.

well then, sir, i completely disagree.
i guess you'd vote for this woman. i'd hope (and expect) most british voters would not, however.

Not in the slightest. I handed in my Tory membership card after the party conference. Cameron has turned the party into a joke, and thus I will now vote, if I could at any rate, UKIP.

Yeah, like all those bloody Poles, coming over ‘ere, taking our jobs.

No, wait. Coming over here, doing the jobs we don’t want, really, really well.

You do make a fair point, however, if welfare payments were not so permissive, and the government not so demagogueic, the jobs would not be vacant in any place.

Not in the slightest. I handed in my Tory membership card after the party conference. Cameron has turned the party into a joke, and thus I will now vote, if I could at any rate, UKIP.
Eh? Turned it into a joke? You do know you're talking about a party that couldn't beat Blair's New Labour in the 2005 General Election, yes?

Eh? Turned it into a joke? You do know you're talking about a party that couldn't beat Blair's New Labour in the 2005 General Election, yes?

Granted, but at least we campaigned with principles. Its not our fault the British electorate are stupid to warrant participation in democracy.

I'd hope it's because, by having a racist poem in her in-box, she was implicitly supporting racism.

In reality, it's likely that the Conservative party won't bother with a 'full investigation' and will reinstate her once all this has blown over.Um... no and no again. Hopefully she was suspended because she FORWARDED the email. Otherwise it's like saying the liberal democrat who blew the whistle on her is also racist.

Secondly the LibDems also have asked the Comission for Racial Equality to look into it.

The only thing that really pisses me off about the woman is that she tried to place the blame on her husband saying that he forwarded it from her email account.

I found parts of the poem funny. There's a difference between finding something funny and believing whatever it is is true. It's like how Borat is funny, but most people, hopefully, realise that he isn't representative of Kazakhstan at all. Most humour relies on exploiting absurd ideas, and a stereotype, I hope you would agree, is absurd. Therefore stereotypes are commonly used within humour. But in general the poem isn't that funny as it's obviously written by a middle class tax payer who is all to aware of the tax that they're paying, they probably live in a communter village, have never claimed welfare in their life (they assume it's easy and you get treated nicely), and they only time they see johnny foreigner is when they drive into town for a bit of shopping.

The part I liked about the poem was -
'We think UK darn good place,
Too darn good for the white man race!
If they no like us, they can scram,
Got lots of room in Pakistan!'
- It's got a nice rhythmn to it, and it plays on the idea that Brits are whine about everything and are never content, and this idea of two populations just jumping up and relocating to another country.

Bleh, I've taken too long to write this.

You do make a fair point, however, if welfare payments were not so permissive, and the government not so demagogueic, the jobs would not be vacant in any place.
Welfare payments permissive?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Oh, you kill me, you really do.

Ever tried claiming benefits? Do you know the fucking hoops they make you jump through in order to get them? The reason the jobs are vacant is because some people are fucking lazy - and so it's possible for immigrants to come over here and take them.

If people actually took these jobs rather than sitting on their arses there would be fewer immigrants coming to this country, because there'd be fewer jobs available.

You do make a fair point, however, if welfare payments were not so permissive, and the government not so demagogueic, the jobs would not be vacant in any place.
The Daily Mail is strong in this one.

I understand your rationale, though I in no way agree, about welfare benefits, but how would a less powerful government convince more people to wipe up shit, or get a similarly crappy job for tiny pay?

Furthermore, immigrants aren’t doing poorly-paid, menial jobs because people are too lazy. There doing it because it pays multiple times the amount they would get in their own countries. Even if every person on benefits was working, therr would still be a massive need for low-paid immigrant workers, especially in places such as Scotland, Wales, etc., with declining populations. Up here, north of the border, we desperately need immigrant workers, or our economy will collapse.

Um... no and no again. Hopefully she was suspended because she FORWARDED the email. Otherwise it's like saying the liberal democrat who blew the whistle on her is also racist.
Erm, good point. Though there's a difference between having it there because it's been sent to you, and having it there because you want to share it with others (for humourous purposes, anyway).

Secondly the LibDems also have asked the Comission for Racial Equality to look into it.
Yeah, I'm not sure what the CRE can actually do. It's likely that all they can do is reccommend that the Tories expel her from the party, or maybe fine her. But the Tories almost certainly will just wait for all this to blow over and then allow her back into the party.

Not in the slightest. I handed in my Tory membership card after the party conference. Cameron has turned the party into a joke, and thus I will now vote, if I could at any rate, UKIP.

Bleugh.UKIP.
And anyway,no party is really any good any more.Labour ballsed up the war and the NHS,Tories couldn't beat Labour,which makes them even worse,and UKIP don't want us to be part of the EU,which is kinda crazy.As I said,there isn't much of a political choice anymore,if there ever was.

I doubt anything can really be done, but if there is enough pressure then she would probably be discretly asked to resign, due to her circumstances making her an embarressment to both the Tory party and Wiltshire Council

http://www.cre.gov.uk/about/legalpowers.html
What the CRE's legal powers.

The third point is probably what you might be able to investigate her under.

The only other way I think she could be got rid of is maybe if the rest of the Councilors or electorate can have a vote of no confidence or garner a large enough petition to force a by-election (not much chance of that happening in Wilts though).

The Daily Mail is strong in this one.

I understand your rationale, though I in no way agree, about welfare benefits, but how would a less powerful government convince more people to wipe up shit, or get a similarly crappy job for tiny pay?

Furthermore, immigrants aren’t doing poorly-paid, menial jobs because people are too lazy. There doing it because it pays multiple times the amount they would get in their own countries. Even if every person on benefits was working, therr would still be a massive need for low-paid immigrant workers, especially in places such as Scotland, Wales, etc., with declining populations. Up here, north of the border, we desperately need immigrant workers, or our economy will collapse.

Not in the slightest. If welfare payments simply stopped if one refused a fixed number of job offers, or were unemployed for a period beyond, say, 3 months, the number of scrounging bastards would diminish radically.

Welfare payments permissive?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Oh, you kill me, you really do.

Ever tried claiming benefits? Do you know the fucking hoops they make you jump through in order to get them? The reason the jobs are vacant is because some people are fucking lazy - and so it's possible for immigrants to come over here and take them.

If people actually took these jobs rather than sitting on their arses there would be fewer immigrants coming to this country, because there'd be fewer jobs available.

My point precisely. If the government made them, through rendering welfare payments less permissive, people would get jobs. The "safety net" apporach has only demonstrated what lazy bastards the unemployed are.

LMAO!

I did actually find the poem really funny, but surely everyone knows that immigrants aren't quite that bad, unless you're really stupid.

Still, I do think something has to be done about the mass number of illegal immigrants in Britain, and they are breeding like crazy. (Not like animals or anything, but they do have a lot more kids than most of the nationals here.) And also they partake in quite a lot of criminal activity, though to be fair this is more true with the East European illegals than Pakistanis. I think an ideal solution would be an immigration system that lets in only the most skilled immigrants; we might not be able to control the illegals but at least we can stop the ones that do overly take advantage of benefits.

Still, I think the poem is inaccurate; I mean illegal immigrants don't get benefits do they?

Not in the slightest. If welfare payments simply stopped if one refused a fixed number of job offers, or were unemployed for a period beyond, say, 3 months, the number of scrounging bastards would diminish radically.
My point precisely. If the government made them, through rendering welfare payments less permissive, people would get jobs. The “safety net” apporach has only demonstrated what lazy bastards the unemployed are.
So does unemployment make people lazy, or do lazy people become unemployed? You switch between the two. Furthermore, you assume every unemployed person is exactly the same; lazy and scrounging off the state. Ellenor Bland, the councillor who wrote the ridiculous poem, is now unemployed. She is now scrounging off the state, I presume?

Illegal immigration is the worst enemy of refugees in this country. And it should be stamped down on hard. They should be deported as soon as theyir bogus status is determined.

A few of them are, though mainly just criminals. Still, since a lot of them are from eastern Europe these days they just keep coming back...

Not in the slightest. If welfare payments simply stopped if one refused a fixed number of job offers, or were unemployed for a period beyond, say, 3 months, the number of scrounging bastards would diminish radically.And say hello to a surge in petty theft? I think you're talking through your arse.

Here is a table (http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/jsa/jsa_feb05_pub.xls)(tab JSA2.1) in excel which shows that in November 2004 there were 774,000 people who were unemployed, of which 46% had been unemployed for less than 3 months and less than 20% would qualify for the government's New Deal package for long term unemployed due to length of unemployment. Meaning, depending which figure you use (and assuming a workforce of 30 million), either a mere 1.4 or 0.5% of the population of working age are scroungers. So your plans would hardly boost the number of people willing to take menial jobs.

Not in the slightest. If welfare payments simply stopped if one refused a fixed number of job offers, or were unemployed for a period beyond, say, 3 months, the number of scrounging bastards would diminish radically.

I'm actually on welfare at the moment ( I am working at the moment but not actually being paid and actually living off my own tax contributions) so I can quite confidently call you on your bullshit. Every two weeks you have to go into the jobcentre to tell them how your job search is going and if after six months unemployment you are put onto the Newdeal programme in which you and after a a few weeks you are required to take part in a course to help you get a job. If that doesn't work you are required to do 30 hours a week searching for a job. If at any point you refuse to take a job your benefits are stopped.

I live in a town with it's fair share of immigrants and have not met any on the newdeal programme and believe me, there's plenty opportunity to do so.

My point precisely. If the government made them, through rendering welfare payments less permissive, people would get jobs. The "safety net" apporach has only demonstrated what lazy bastards the unemployed are.
You do know that the current unemployment figure is around 1.5 million, and the number of job vacancies available is around 650000? With those figures, there's still almost a million people on unemployment benefits.

By the way, I've been unemployed for four months now. I'd say in that time I've applied for around 200 jobs. All unemployed people are lazy bastards? Actually, I'd say around 90% of the unemployed are in a similar position to myself - applying for several dozen jobs a month yet still not getting one. Stop making absurd generalisations about something you know nothing about. First you slander immigrants, now you've moved onto the unemployed. Who will it be next?