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I need help from the ladies of the forum, please.

Lately, I've been checking out some online dating services, as these days they are seriously beginning to compete with bars as the best place to meet new people.

First, a girl contacts me. We start talking, and everything goes great. But sooner or later the conversation drifts to literature; I read a lot, and therefore would like to find a woman who does too. I mention that I enjoy science fiction novels, and then, without fail, I never hear from the girl again. This method of babe-repellant is so efficient that I've even learned to use it to get ethically rid of girls I don't like.

I'd be interested to know, what causes this kind of behavior in a woman? Any prejudices, stereotypes, or negative emotions you have, let me hear them.

They're probably not worth it anyway if they'd dismiss you on literature tastes.

That's an interesting phenomenon...but I'm afraid I can't offer any explanation.

*waits for others to answer, as he is a sci-fi literature fan as well.* :p

I like sci-fi and I certainly wouldn't reject someone on the basis of liking sci-fi unless they only liked star wars and had a shelf full of star wars books or something.

Star trek = great

Star wars = not so much

I like sci-fi and I certainly wouldn't reject someone on the basis of liking sci-fi unless they only liked star wars and had a shelf full of star wars books or something.

Star trek = great

Star wars = not so much

Boo! *throws lightsaber*

I like sci-fi and I certainly wouldn't reject someone on the basis of liking sci-fi unless they only liked star wars and had a shelf full of star wars books or something.

Star trek = great

Star wars = not so much

Boo! *uses Force choke*

Interesting.
I used to use those kind of pages myself, and I love SF... but then I've been told that I'm not what would pass for a "typical girl".

Boo! *uses Force choke*
Don't be hatin'

Beacuse girls mostly are pretty stupid. I think. I'm female, and I'd consider the liking of sf to be a sign of good taste. But then, I usually have little in common with other girls.
Did that help? ;)

I like sci-fi and I certainly wouldn't reject someone on the basis of liking sci-fi unless they only liked star wars and had a shelf full of star wars books or something.

Star trek = great

Star wars = not so much

When looking for a girl (if such a girl exists who has the entirety of the star wars book collection) I would take that as an ill omen.

In fact, when looking for friends I take that as an ill omen.

When looking for a girl (if such a girl exists who has the entirety of the star wars book collection) I would take that as an ill omen.

In fact, when looking for friends I take that as an ill omen.
That's always a good thing. :)

I'm not sure I'd react much better to someone who had the entire set of star trek books either, as much as I love star trek a lot of the books suck.

When looking for a girl (if such a girl exists who has the entirety of the star wars book collection) I would take that as an ill omen.

I would say I'd found the perfect woman -- well, assuming she were hot, too. :p

I like sci-fi and I certainly wouldn't reject someone on the basis of liking sci-fi unless they only liked star wars and had a shelf full of star wars books or something.

Star trek = great

Star wars = not so much

Meh. Babylon 5 pwns them both. So does Star Wreck.

I don't have many licensed books anyway. (Just the novelizations of the movies Doom and Men in Black 2, and a couple based on the game Halo.)


They're probably not worth it anyway if they'd dismiss you on literature tastes.

Yeah, and I don't miss them. I'm just trying to understand women better, as this seems to be a rather universal trait in them.

Beacuse girls mostly are pretty stupid. I think. I'm female, and I'd consider the liking of sf to be a sign of good taste. But then, I usually have little in common with other girls.
Did that help?
I used to use those kind of pages myself, and I love SF... but then I've been told that I'm not what would pass for a "typical girl".

It's nice to see that there are other kinds of girls too. Thank you for your existence. Now, where can I find your kind?

i watch star trek with my gf :)
...and then have sex, yes ;-) :-P

I like sci-fi and I certainly wouldn't reject someone on the basis of liking sci-fi unless they only liked star wars and had a shelf full of star wars books or something.

Star trek = great

Star wars = not so much

Star wars and star trek are both naff. However, I do enjoy a good sci fi novel. Like Heinlein or Asimov (sp?).

That's always a good thing. :)

I'm not sure I'd react much better to someone who had the entire set of star trek books either, as much as I love star trek a lot of the books suck.

With sci fi, the best books are the ones that have nothing to do with television or movies. Working within your own framework leads to better authorship and more creativity, much as it is with all literature.

And more than that, I like diversity of interest. I've got Enders Game camped out right nexted to Crime and Punishment, as well as To Kill a Mockingbird. That's the kind of bookshelf I like to see people having. Variety of interest.

My gf's watched all of the Star Wars films with me, and we watch Doctor Who and Battlestar Galactica together relgiously.

Now, if I can get her to play the Star Wars RPG when I buy it...

Star wars and star trek are both naff. However, I do enjoy a good sci fi novel. Like Heinlein or Asimov (sp?).

Woo! This man speaks truth.

Because genre fiction is a ghetto and sci fi a nerdy one. That you bring it up in date conversation makes you look like a super nerd. Add in the fact that - with few exceptions - sci fi is full of mysoginistic fantasy, you're not going to win many points with a lady.
1) Expand your reading within the sci fi genre. Include the few female authors, especially Ursula K. LeGuin.
2) Don't just read sci fi, or even just genre. Read the mainstream stuff too.
3) Don't just read for the spaceships and explosions. Read for the human condition metaphore and interpersonal relationships. In sci fi, that mostly means the female authors.
4) If you must talk about what you like to read, avoid the spaceships and explosions.
5) Don't call it sci fi - sci fi is nerd fantasy. The new respectable name is speculative fiction. That's if you must refer to the genre at all. Stick to the author names as much as possible. People have the impression that sci fi is written by a bunch of guys who can't get dates. Use those female names generously.

1) Expand your reading within the sci fi genre. Include the few female authors, especially Ursula K. LeGuin.



*gag*

And more than that, I like diversity of interest. I've got Enders Game camped out right nexted to Crime and Punishment, as well as To Kill a Mockingbird. That's the kind of bookshelf I like to see people having. Variety of interest.

Heh, I have six books between Ender's Game and Crime and Punishment. (Most of them by Philip K. Dick.)

Because genre fiction is a ghetto and sci fi a nerdy one. That you bring it up in date conversation makes you look like a super nerd. Add in the fact that - with few exceptions - sci fi is full of mysoginistic fantasy, you're not going to win many points with a lady.
1) Expand your reading within the sci fi genre. Include the few female authors, especially Ursula K. LeGuin.
2) Don't just read sci fi, or even just genre. Read the mainstream stuff too.
3) Don't just read for the spaceships and explosions. Read for the human condition metaphore and interpersonal relationships. In sci fi, that mostly means the female authors.
4) If you must talk about what you like to read, avoid the spaceships and explosions.
5) Don't call it sci fi - sci fi is nerd fantasy. The new respectable name is speculative fiction. That's if you must refer to the genre at all. Stick to the author names as much as possible. People have the impression that sci fi is written by a bunch of guys who can't get dates. Use those female names generously.

Sure you could do that, if you want to artificially change yourself on the offchance of appealing to someone you've never met. Or, y'know look a bit harder and find someone who likes you the way you are.

Sure you could do that, if you want to artificially change yourself on the offchance of appealing to someone you've never met. Or, y'know look a bit harder and find someone who likes you the way you are.

I think maybe those hints aren't just "how to get a girl" and are more general "grow up and stop reading naff sf"...

I think maybe those hints aren't just "how to get a girl" and are more general "grow up and stop reading naff sf"...

k, I dont think changing what you read will really change you that much though. I've grown up and I still read the occaisional crappy sf book. Usually I like something more serious though.

That's an interesting phenomenon...but I'm afraid I can't offer any explanation.

*waits for others to answer, as he is a sci-fi literature fan as well.* :p
Dito!

*makes mental note not to mention SciFi* They'll learn soon enough. :D

It's nice to see that there are other kinds of girls too. Thank you for your existence. Now, where can I find your kind?




Question of the day, my friends.

It's okay to read sci fi, the same way it's okay to eat chocolate ice cream, it just shouldn't be the only thing in your literary diet. Only little kids do that.

3) Don't just read for the spaceships and explosions. Read for the human condition metaphore and interpersonal relationships. In sci fi, that mostly means the female authors.

Did this strike anyone else as "Read sci-fi harlequin romances."?

It's okay to read sci fi, the same way it's okay to eat chocolate ice cream, it just shouldn't be the only thing in your literary diet. Only little kids do that.

Most genre readers realise this, whether they mostly read sf, fantasy, crime or whatever, however your point seems to have been missed by those who read exclusively that marketting invention 'literary fiction'.

Did this strike anyone else as "Read sci-fi harlequin romances."?

No, if anything it brought to mind the Womens' Press science-fiction line. Some very good stuff in there, regardless of your gender, sex or sexual orientation - leGuin, Joanna Russ, Josephine Saxton, Marge Piercy, Octavia Butler...

...of course, some of these also feature big spaceships and big explosions, so it can be win-win situation.

[Originally Posted by Vacuumhead
Star wars and star trek are both naff. However, I do enjoy a good sci fi novel. Like Heinlein or Asimov (sp?). ]


Woo! This man speaks truth.

Woman.
I like Scifi myself but last g/f wasn't too fond of it. Maybe my next will be.
Anybody here over 18, female and in Florida?
Oh and I guess I should add lesbian or bi?

Because genre fiction is a ghetto and sci fi a nerdy one. That you bring it up in date conversation makes you look like a super nerd. Add in the fact that - with few exceptions - sci fi is full of mysoginistic fantasy, you're not going to win many points with a lady.
1) Expand your reading within the sci fi genre. Include the few female authors, especially Ursula K. LeGuin.
2) Don't just read sci fi, or even just genre. Read the mainstream stuff too.
3) Don't just read for the spaceships and explosions. Read for the human condition metaphore and interpersonal relationships. In sci fi, that mostly means the female authors.
4) If you must talk about what you like to read, avoid the spaceships and explosions.
5) Don't call it sci fi - sci fi is nerd fantasy. The new respectable name is speculative fiction. That's if you must refer to the genre at all. Stick to the author names as much as possible. People have the impression that sci fi is written by a bunch of guys who can't get dates. Use those female names generously.

I find spaceships rather boring, so I don't read that kind of books a lot anyway. And it's not like I spend hours telling girls about exploding spaceships with a gleam in my eye and spittle flying around. They ask me what kind of books I like, I say SF, and they're gone.

Most of mainstream literature can be replaced with a few episodes of CSI or Matlock, but I do read it barely enough to be able to say that I do. I had figured out most of that stuff out by myself after the first dozen of these incidents, but I will take your fifth advice under consideration next time I'm in a situation like that. Thanks.

Now I'll just need to go pick up some female-written SciFi, and figure out a translation of speculative fiction into Finnish.

And more than that, I like diversity of interest. I've got Enders Game camped out right nexted to Crime and Punishment, as well as To Kill a Mockingbird. That's the kind of bookshelf I like to see people having. Variety of interest.

I can't seem to find my copy of Crime and Punishment, but my copy of Notes From The Underground is wedged betwixt Leviathan and issue 4 of the sf periodical/book New Worlds from its brief 1990's return.

Because genre fiction is a ghetto and sci fi a nerdy one. That you bring it up in date conversation makes you look like a super nerd. Add in the fact that - with few exceptions - sci fi is full of mysoginistic fantasy, you're not going to win many points with a lady.
1) Expand your reading within the sci fi genre. Include the few female authors, especially Ursula K. LeGuin.
2) Don't just read sci fi, or even just genre. Read the mainstream stuff too.
3) Don't just read for the spaceships and explosions. Read for the human condition metaphore and interpersonal relationships. In sci fi, that mostly means the female authors.
4) If you must talk about what you like to read, avoid the spaceships and explosions.
5) Don't call it sci fi - sci fi is nerd fantasy. The new respectable name is speculative fiction. That's if you must refer to the genre at all. Stick to the author names as much as possible. People have the impression that sci fi is written by a bunch of guys who can't get dates. Use those female names generously.

I agree with most of what is written here, and have this to add:

Women I know enjoy Iain M. Banks, Ursula K. LeGuin, and Frank Herbert for science fiction. It is interesting to note that these authors are capable of writing well in more than one genre. While Anna McCaffrey is also a well known female science fiction writer, she's kinda meh.

Did this strike anyone else as "Read sci-fi harlequin romances."?

Zigactly!

While Anna McCaffrey is also a well known female science fiction writer, she's kinda meh.

It's Anne McCaffrey, and she's a fantasy writer. Oh, yeah, and she's crap.

Woman.
I like Scifi myself but last g/f wasn't too fond of it. Maybe my next will be.
Anybody here over 18, female and in Florida?
Oh and I guess I should add lesbian or bi?

Here! Except for the Florida part. :( On the plus-side, I'm asexual and poly-amoric (whatever that's called in english), wich is a really good basis for long distans-relationships. :D

Here! Except for the Florida part. :( On the plus-side, I'm asexual and poly-amoric (whatever that's called in english), wich is a really good basis for long distans-relationships. :D

It's polyamorous in English.

Woo! This man speaks truth.

Woman.
I like Scifi myself but last g/f wasn't too fond of it. Maybe my next will be.
Anybody here over 18, female and in Florida?
Oh and I guess I should add lesbian or bi?

Sorry, I still assume everyone on the internet is a guy unless told otherwise. Did you mean you are Vacuumhead or you know Vacuumhead is a woman?

Your problem maybe (probably) is introducing these women to your sci-finess before you have established that you are a 'real' man. These women are not on the online dating service to find an immature nerd/geek. They are looking for a mature/responsible/attractive man that will support/protect and ravish them. The stereotype for sci-fi guys is that they are geek/nerd/video game playing/comic book reading mommas boys.

Now, I don't know you, but if you fit the above description then you have no business even talking to girls yet. You need to get your shit sorted out. It is ok to like Sci-Fi but you need to get a job and hold it, get in the gym, lose the fat and get toned up and try talking to real girls before you start an online relationship which is way, way, WAY more complicated. Believe me, I met my wife online, (we met playing an online roleplaying game, still she never would have started a real life relationship if I hadn't had my shit sorted out. Think muscles and money.) transplanting her from New Zealand to Alaska. So I know what I am talking about.

It is also better to find out right off that a girl isn't into sci-fi if you want a long term relationship with one. Otherwise you wont understand her and she wont understand you. So you are better off. If all you want is some ass then definitely don't mention it. All girls, even sci-fi girls, like a nice/regular guy with some muscles and some money who pays attention to them.

There are a lot of sci-fi girls out there. I found mine. Just maybe keep it on the back burner until you can get yourself sorted out a bit. Just trying to help you out bud.

Sorry, I still assume everyone on the internet is a guy unless told otherwise. Did you mean you are Vacuumhead or you know Vacuumhead is a woman?

VH is definitely female.
She is sexy as hell if occasionally disturbing.

I need help from the ladies of the forum, please.

Lately, I've been checking out some online dating services, as these days they are seriously beginning to compete with bars as the best place to meet new people.

First, a girl contacts me. We start talking, and everything goes great. But sooner or later the conversation drifts to literature; I read a lot, and therefore would like to find a woman who does too. I mention that I enjoy science fiction novels, and then, without fail, I never hear from the girl again. This method of babe-repellant is so efficient that I've even learned to use it to get ethically rid of girls I don't like.

I'd be interested to know, what causes this kind of behavior in a woman? Any prejudices, stereotypes, or negative emotions you have, let me hear them.

When I met my husband he was way into Star Trek, and I hadn't watched much of it at all, in fact I had only seen TOS, I got intimidated for a while when he talked about it because I thought he would expect me to know everything about it and stuff. I asked him about it, and he laughed, he said I talked the same way about music....

Just back down a little, mention it in passing, wait until the first date to mention you read a lot, and then only after they ask "what do you like to do for fun?" don't be so excited....it's intimidating, especially if she isn't really that experienced with all of it.

Sorry, I still assume everyone on the internet is a guy unless told otherwise. Did you mean you are Vacuumhead or you know Vacuumhead is a woman?

They're both female, genius.

3) Don't just read for the spaceships and explosions. Read for the human condition metaphore and interpersonal relationships. In sci fi, that mostly means the female authors

Very not true. Even the books by the really famous male authours, like Isaac Asimov, Philip K. Dick and Ray Bradbury are not at all about spaceships and explosions, but rather about what being a human is and is not, ethical dilemmas, responsibility and such.

Women I know enjoy Iain M. Banks, Ursula K. LeGuin, and Frank Herbert for science fiction. It is interesting to note that these authors are capable of writing well in more than one genre. While Anna McCaffrey is also a well known female science fiction writer, she's kinda meh.

Wow, now that you mention it, it has happened once that a girl, whom I didn't know, walked by, glanced at the book I was reading, and said, "That's a great book". It was from the Dune series.

They're both female, genius.

Thanks, clever clogs.

It's because most people still think sci-fi=nerd.

Trust me, it's not just the girls. The one time I applied to a free online dating service (and I admit I wasn't really serious, more curious), every single guy who showed interest disappeared as soon as I mentioned DnD.

And they weren't even overt references - I just said I enjoyed painting miniatures. Which, for all they knew at that point, could have been porcelain figurines, canvas, boxes, etc. In a couple of instances I got back one word emails: "DnD!?!?!?!" and then nothing.

Sci-fi seems to work as an on-line dating service bug repellent. You're probably better off just putting sci-fi in your interests list and weed them all from the start.

It's because most people still think sci-fi=nerd.

Trust me, it's not just the girls. The one time I applied to a free online dating service (and I admit I wasn't really serious, more curious), every single guy who showed interest disappeared as soon as I mentioned DnD.

They assumed you were a cloistered cow.

It's polyamorous in English.

Thanks.

They assumed you were a cloistered cow.
Heh. Their mistake.

But as everyone seems to be ragging on girls for turning down sci-fi interested guys, I thought I'd point out that it's a two-way street.

Thanks.

Also asexual would mean you don't find anyone sexy regardless of gender and from context I don't think you meant that.

Thanks.

Anytime. I'm not always an asshole, as some would have you believe. ;)

Heh. Their mistake.

But as everyone seems to be ragging on girls for turning down sci-fi interested guys, I thought I'd point out that it's a two-way street.

Oh, it definitely is. I was just saying that was probably the assumption. Hell, when I used to play D&D, I would've loved having a girl playing, too.

It's Anne McCaffrey, and she's a fantasy writer. Oh, yeah, and she's crap.

She's knocked out a couple of sf works in her time though. I won't comment on the quality.

Also asexual would mean you don't find anyone sexy regardless of gender and from context I don't think you meant that.

It also implies that you reproduce through budding or spores. :p

Also asexual would mean you don't find anyone sexy regardless of gender and from context I don't think you meant that.

Actually, I do. No sexual feelings here. Not for a couple of years. However, I'm still able to fall in love and all that. But this is quite OT. ^^

Your problem maybe (probably) is introducing these women to your sci-finess before you have established that you are a 'real' man. These women are not on the online dating service to find an immature nerd/geek. They are looking for a mature/responsible/attractive man that will support/protect and ravish them. The stereotype for sci-fi guys is that they are geek/nerd/video game playing/comic book reading mommas boys.

Yeah, that's probably it.

Now, I don't know you, but if you fit the above description then you have no business even talking to girls yet. You need to get your shit sorted out. It is ok to like Sci-Fi but you need to get a job and hold it, get in the gym, lose the fat and get toned up and try talking to real girls before you start an online relationship which is way, way, WAY more complicated. Believe me, I met my wife online, (we met playing an online roleplaying game, still she never would have started a real life relationship if I hadn't had my shit sorted out. Think muscles and money.) transplanting her from New Zealand to Alaska. So I know what I am talking about.

It is also better to find out right off that a girl isn't into sci-fi if you want a long term relationship with one. Otherwise you wont understand her and she wont understand you. So you are better off. If all you want is some ass then definitely don't mention it. All girls, even sci-fi girls, like a nice/regular guy with some muscles and some money who pays attention to them.

There are a lot of sci-fi girls out there. I found mine. Just maybe keep it on the back burner until you can get yourself sorted out a bit. Just trying to help you out bud.

I don't have a job, but it's because I'm still in college, and most girls of my age (at least those who are also students) think it's a valid excuse for being broke. When it comes to working out, I have bigger muscles and less fat than the average guy, so that shouldn't be a problem. I don't intend to have an online relationship in the sense I think you mean; I'm just trying to meet women from my area online as opposed to meeting them in bars or somesuch.

And yes, long-term is what I'm looking for. Not that I have anything against any random pieces of ass I might come across.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Oh, it definitely is. I was just saying that was probably the assumption. Hell, when I used to play D&D, I would've loved having a girl playing, too.
It's funny when I hear that - I know so many women (and adult women, not teenagers) who play DnD and/or do online gaming like WoW, it seems weird to me that there would be a paucity of us anywhere.

Mind you, I work in the software industry (though not games) and almost everyone I work with, male or female, is into sci-fi or fantasy.

Trust me, it's not just the girls. The one time I applied to a free online dating service (and I admit I wasn't really serious, more curious), every single guy who showed interest disappeared as soon as I mentioned DnD.


Oh? I had no idea. But like Cluichstan suggested, if you didn't have a picture and/or BMI in your profile, it might have had a lot to do with stereotypes about appearance. Of course, I don't know what kind of men they were. (I have a picture there, and it doesn't deterr women quite as efficiently as SciFi.)

i never meet a female who into scifi

Oh? I had no idea. But like Cluichstan suggested, if you didn't have a picture and/or BMI in your profile, it might have had a lot to do with stereotypes about appearance. Of course, I don't know what kind of men they were. (I have a picture there, and it doesn't deterr women quite as efficiently as SciFi.)

you don't really want a girl who is terrified of all things sci-fi anyway right?

It's funny when I hear that - I know so many women (and adult women, not teenagers) who play DnD and/or do online gaming like WoW, it seems weird to me that there would be a paucity of us anywhere.

Mind you, I work in the software industry (though not games) and almost everyone I work with, male or female, is into sci-fi or fantasy.

I'm in my mid-30s. Back when I was playing D&D, there were very few girls playing. Maybe that's changed. If it has, well, that's just another reason for me to wish I were younger. :(

i never meet a female who into scifi

I've met plenty. Teenage females tend to lean more towards fantasy though, I'll give you that.

I've met plenty. Teenage females tend to lean more towards fantasy though, I'll give you that.

iam looking for those in 20s like me
so i must be looking in wrong place :headbang:

iam looking for those in 20s like me
so i must be looking in wrong place :headbang:

Few relationships are built on the basis of the type of book someone reads: if two people like reading they already have plenty in common - unlike, for example, taste in live music, particular styles of books are self-contained units and don't really have massive lifestyle baggage attached to them. You can sit and read your sf, while the person you are living with reads their prefered thang.

I'm afraid I can't offer much help since I read a lot of sci-fi and have no prejudices or negative emotions associated with the genre. I'd also venture to say that anyone who rejects you based solely on your literary preferences probably isn't worth your time anyway. Of course, I've been told I'm not really a typical female (what the hell does that mean, anyway?) so maybe you should ask someone else.

All girls, even sci-fi girls, like a nice/regular guy with some muscles and some money who pays attention to them.


I'd like to replace 'muscles' with 'brains' and 'money' with 'kindness'.
Really, not all women pay attention to muscles and money!

As for the Sci-Fi debate, I assume the typical girl doesn't go for nerdy interests. The proble is, you won't find a typical girl here, so we have only assumptions from quite unique girls.

First thing first, don't sell yourself as someone you are not. If the girl doesn't like sci-fi, it's HER problem. Probably you won't be able to put up with a long relationship if you have to avoid mentioning sci-fi in order not to let her go.
Now, if you can't help being monothematic, that could be a problem. Or, maybe sci-fi isn't the cause the girl disappears. You could consider other possible causes.

There are a lot of kinds of sci-fi and similar genres. As someone mentioned before, I find Star Trek and Star Wars to be kinda naïve. Also, I'm not interested in big spaceships, laser-beams and galactic mega-battles.

But you have a lot of intelligent sci-fi out there, you have Bradbury, Asimov, LeGuin, Dick. You have cyberpunk. You have earlier stuff such as Jules Verne, H.G. Wells.

If a lady can't appreciate any of these, if she can't appreciate literature at all, I wonder, is she worth the effort?

i never meet a female who into scifi

Um, hello! *waves*

I actually met my boyfriend over a discussion of sci-fi. I saw him in a coffee shop reading Dune and I knew he was for me.

Our first date: went to dinner, then back to his place to play Knights of the Old Republic. Mwahaha. :p

Um, hello! *waves*

I actually met my boyfriend over a discussion of sci-fi. I saw him in a coffee shop reading Dune and I knew he was for me.

Our first date: went to dinner, then back to his place to play Knights of the Old Republic. Mwahaha. :p

my first one and its on the net

dune not bad to read

you play Knights of the Old Republic HOLY SHIT i never meet a girl who plays Xbox or PS2 of PC game

now i need a drink

my first one and its on the net

dune not bad to read

you play Knights of the Old Republic HOLY SHIT i never meet a girl who plays Xbox or PS2 of PC game

now i need a drink
*waves* Hello! I read scifi and play video games; pleased to meet you. :)

Beats me. I read quite a bit of scifi myself. I'm not really into the Star Wars/Star Trek knockoff books, but I have no major problem with anyone who does like them either.

my first one and its on the net

dune not bad to read

you play Knights of the Old Republic HOLY SHIT i never meet a girl who plays Xbox or PS2 of PC game

now i need a drink

Teehee. Boys are silly. :D

you don't really want a girl who is terrified of all things sci-fi anyway right?

In the optimal case, no. But, if I like the rest of her, I can accept it if she can tolerate me. Interest in sci-fi is not the only thing I look for in a woman, and I don't expect anyone to be perfect.

As for the Sci-Fi debate, I assume the typical girl doesn't go for nerdy interests. The proble is, you won't find a typical girl here, so we have only assumptions from quite unique girls.

First thing first, don't sell yourself as someone you are not. If the girl doesn't like sci-fi, it's HER problem. Probably you won't be able to put up with a long relationship if you have to avoid mentioning sci-fi in order not to let her go.
Now, if you can't help being monothematic, that could be a problem. Or, maybe sci-fi isn't the cause the girl disappears. You could consider other possible causes.

There are a lot of kinds of sci-fi and similar genres. As someone mentioned before, I find Star Trek and Star Wars to be kinda naïve. Also, I'm not interested in big spaceships, laser-beams and galactic mega-battles.

I have tested this theory in practice, and I have even gotten rid of girls, in whom I wasn't interested, by mentioning sci-fi. So yes, it's safe to assume that it is the cause. And like I said earlier, I don't give her long monologues about sci-fi. I just mention it in passing when she asks.

I actually have asked this on another forum earlier. I only got an answer from one girl, so I don't know how large a portion of the population she represented. She told me that her first image of a sci-fi-reader is someone, who likes to wear a Star Trek jumpsuit and Spock-ears on his free time, and has sexual fantasies involving him dressed as Spock.

Oh yeah, and Star Wars was made for kids; at least that's what George Lucas says. I love galactic warfare only when it's about ground combat. Starship Troopers and Forever War are a must read for anyone, even those who don't generally like war books.

Um, hello! *waves*

I actually met my boyfriend over a discussion of sci-fi. I saw him in a coffee shop reading Dune and I knew he was for me.

Our first date: went to dinner, then back to his place to play Knights of the Old Republic. Mwahaha. :p

*waves* Hello! I read scifi and play video games; pleased to meet you. :)

i need to meet females like you
and if it dont last long it dont end up me going to join the legion

Firstly, get the fuck off online dating sites. Secondy, I thought women = sci-fi equated to soft pron?

I tend to go for geeky guys... They do something for me that normal guys don't ;D

I love Sci-fi. I was brought up on the stuff.

One thing they have to beware of, though... I'm in love with Maths... and I will never love a boy as much as I love Maths. :D

Starship Troopers and Forever War are a must read for anyone, even those who don't generally like war books.

Starship Troopers is one of my favourite books. I never heard of the other one, although I'm guessing that it must be alright if it is mentioned in the same sentence as Starship Troopers. That book is just fantastic! :D

Do you know who wrote Forever War?

Starship Troopers is one of my favourite books. I never heard of the other one, although I'm guessing that it must be alright if it is mentioned in the same sentence as Starship Troopers. That book is just fantastic! :D

Do you know who wrote Forever War?

Joe Haldeman looked up on net

Starship Troopers is one of my favourite books. I never heard of the other one, although I'm guessing that it must be alright if it is mentioned in the same sentence as Starship Troopers. That book is just fantastic! :D

Do you know who wrote Forever War?

Joe Haldeman. He also wrote Forever Free and Forever Peace; beware of them, for they suck.

Also you might want to check out Armor by John Steakley. It, with Starship Troopers and Forever War, completes the trinity that warfare sci-fi fans worship as the ultimate measure scale of excellence.

Not sure if it has been said but this site moy not be the place to ask this question. I doubt there are many "normal" girls/women here.

I am a 17 year old female comic book/manga/Sci-Fi/everyting geeky reader. I play Rifts, DnD, and BESM. My parents met at a DnD game. I have more geek in me than most people. I am in a good relationship with someone who has many of the same interests as me. And I can't imagine my life any other way. Don't worry, there is hope.

you play Knights of the Old Republic HOLY SHIT i never meet a girl who plays Xbox or PS2 of PC game


Wow. I live on my PS2. Well, not that bad but I do love it.

Wow. I live on my PS2. Well, not that bad but I do love it.

i have Xbox and PS2
fact iam on my PS2 and PC at same time

In the optimal case, no. But, if I like the rest of her, I can accept it if she can tolerate me. Interest in sci-fi is not the only thing I look for in a woman, and I don't expect anyone to be perfect.


Sure, but if they run away as soon as they hear the word 'sci-fi' then something is wrong with them. They could even ask you 'how come you like that creepy thing?', giving you the chance to make things right.



I actually have asked this on another forum earlier. I only got an answer from one girl, so I don't know how large a portion of the population she represented. She told me that her first image of a sci-fi-reader is someone, who likes to wear a Star Trek jumpsuit and Spock-ears on his free time, and has sexual fantasies involving him dressed as Spock.


Interesting.
Surely popular fantasies and the media have contributed to this. Here, in Argentina, we don't have an image of sci-fi fans as negative as that, maybe because there's so little sci-fi culture here, it did't made into the 'collective unconscious' or whatever you call it.

As a girl, reading sci-fi has only given me things in common with people.

Firstly, get the fuck off online dating sites. Secondy, I thought women = sci-fi equated to soft pron?

That is exactly what I thought when I saw the thread title! Or something talking about favorite female actors...

Firstly, get the fuck off online dating sites.

Why? I know they have their drawbacks, but I love being able to meet women without having to leave my apartment.

Secondy, I thought women = sci-fi equated to soft pron?

Then I suppose the girl with the Spock-fantasy stereotype had a point. When she told it to me, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Now I know.

I find spaceships rather boring, so I don't read that kind of books a lot anyway. And it's not like I spend hours telling girls about exploding spaceships with a gleam in my eye and spittle flying around. They ask me what kind of books I like, I say SF, and they're gone.


I see your problem. When you say SF, they hear "argle blargle exploding spaceships," "I live in my parents' basement," and "want to see my obsessive collection of Star Wars toys?"
Since you read PKD, you have to tell them that you read stories about common people who struggle through a setting that is a dark exaggeration of our own.
Not many women like SF, but lots of women like Dick. :D

I need help from the ladies of the forum, please.

Lately, I've been checking out some online dating services, as these days they are seriously beginning to compete with bars as the best place to meet new people.

First, a girl contacts me. We start talking, and everything goes great. But sooner or later the conversation drifts to literature; I read a lot, and therefore would like to find a woman who does too. I mention that I enjoy science fiction novels, and then, without fail, I never hear from the girl again. This method of babe-repellant is so efficient that I've even learned to use it to get ethically rid of girls I don't like.

I'd be interested to know, what causes this kind of behavior in a woman? Any prejudices, stereotypes, or negative emotions you have, let me hear them.the problem is that it sounds like that's all you read.

even if it is, you should spin it.

for example...
(specifics in parenthesis.)
Me: I read various types of books, tho lately I find myself reading alot of Sci-fi and fantasy. I've read alot of mysteries (true, I read Earl Stanley Garnder, "Cat Who" series, and some others) non fiction (text books count ;) and I read some psych books.) and even a couple of Romances. (again true, my sister tossed a couple she thought I would enjoy my way.) as well as regular fiction. (tho mysteries, Romance, Sci-fi and fantasy fall into Regular Fiction, it also covers Horror, and fiction that doesn't fit into any other sub-catagories.)


doing it this way doesn't mislead the person, but it puts the emphasis not on one section of books that you read, but the fact that you like to read without being bookish. ;)

I don't see why it should discourage them, my gf is not interested in any of it but she still puts up with me:D,

I like scfi and fantasy (books, TV and movies), watch anime, play DnD etc and LARP.

Reading sci-fi is a deal-breaker? Normal people are so odd.

I'm female, I read sci-fi (among other things - I admit, I would be put off by someone who never ventured outside one small section of the bookstore), I play video games and RPGs, and most of the women I know do likewise. Why the heck wouldn't we? Those things are fun! :)

I'm in my mid-30s. Back when I was playing D&D, there were very few girls playing. Maybe that's changed. If it has, well, that's just another reason for me to wish I were younger.
I'm 35, and have been playing DnD since I was in my 20s. Everyone I know/play with is in my age group, so that's a dozen women who play DnD, plus at least as many (with some cross-over) who play online games like World of Warcraft. We all live with or are married to men with similar interests. (Okay, except two, one of whom is recently divorced, and one who I admit tends to get catagorized as unattractive.)

And I know dozens of women who are into sci-fi or fantasy novels.

I am female and like reading and writing SF, so no clue...

Stop chasing cheerleaders.

I need help from the ladies of the forum, please.

Lately, I've been checking out some online dating services, as these days they are seriously beginning to compete with bars as the best place to meet new people.

First, a girl contacts me. We start talking, and everything goes great. But sooner or later the conversation drifts to literature; I read a lot, and therefore would like to find a woman who does too. I mention that I enjoy science fiction novels, and then, without fail, I never hear from the girl again. This method of babe-repellant is so efficient that I've even learned to use it to get ethically rid of girls I don't like.

I'd be interested to know, what causes this kind of behavior in a woman? Any prejudices, stereotypes, or negative emotions you have, let me hear them.

Probably because it's the only thing that highschool kids read a lot of, and so it's the only type of literature that ignorant people take the time to form a stereotype about.

The same vacuous girls who deride sci-fi fans as unfit for normal activity (they can't imagine that anyone would actually choose sci-fi if they were capable of something more mainstream) tend to become fans of mystery or romance novels later in life. But by then they're already married, and so it doesn't become fodder for courtship conversation.

But if you want to find women who are interested in sci-fi, or not turned off by it, you need to find such forums. Places that draw sci-fi fans, not courtship fans. Colleges tend to have sci-fi, anime etc. clubs in which some girls actually show up, because by then you've weeded out all the sub-literate people who don't want to be there and have a higher concentration of the inquisitive types who are drawn to sci-fi or are open-minded about it.

I see your problem. When you say SF, they hear "argle blargle exploding spaceships," "I live in my parents' basement," and "want to see my obsessive collection of Star Wars toys?"
Since you read PKD, you have to tell them that you read stories about common people who struggle through a setting that is a dark exaggeration of our own.
Not many women like SF, but lots of women like Dick. :D

Uhm ... did you really intend that line to read that way?

With sci fi, the best books are the ones that have nothing to do with television or movies. Working within your own framework leads to better authorship and more creativity, much as it is with all literature.

And more than that, I like diversity of interest. I've got Enders Game camped out right nexted to Crime and Punishment, as well as To Kill a Mockingbird. That's the kind of bookshelf I like to see people having. Variety of interest.
Yes, that is probably why the Star Trek and Star Wars books suck so badly. And a variety of books is always good, I don't have many books of my own (I usually read books from the library) but I've got a decent variety going on I think.

Yes, that is probably why the Star Trek and Star Wars books suck so badly. And a variety of books is always good, I don't have many books of my own (I usually read books from the library) but I've got a decent variety going on I think.

The old Trek books were fun & good. Mosty of them. I haven't read many of the new ones.

Other than Heinlein, I don't really read sci-fi. Anything that could be called that is also in the manner of historical fiction, alternate history, or dealing with the human condition. Indeed, that last one is what most of my chosen texts deal with.

Currently, I'm reading The Analects by Confucius & re-reading Peter Høeg's Borderliners at the same time. The latter is such a mindfuck; one of the reviews on the back calls it "a cross between Catcher In The Rye and A Brief History Of Time."

I like sci-fi, but I like fantasy better. Favorite Sci-Fi writers, CJ Cherryh and Lois McMaster Bujold.

Go to a comic book store, or the sci-fi section of Barnes and Noble. Look at who is there. That’s why.

I like sci-fi, but I like fantasy better. Favorite Sci-Fi writers, CJ Cherryh and Lois McMaster Bujold.

I go back and forth between sci-fi and fantasy, can't say I like one more than the other. I like Cherryh, don't know Bujold (used to talk to CJ Cherryh and Ru Emerson on AOL long ago). For fantasy these days I highly recommend Guy Gavriel Kaye.

Go to a comic book store, or the sci-fi section of Barnes and Noble. Look at who is there. That’s why.

I go to comic book stores. I'm a girl. I go into the sci-fi section of Barnes and Noble. What does that say? =)

I go to comic book stores. I'm a girl. I go into the sci-fi section of Barnes and Noble. What does that say? =)

heh heh, it's so much fun to hang out with the pre-teens and get into deep debates on who would win in a fight-Johnny Storm or Adam Archer... ;)

I go back and forth between sci-fi and fantasy, can't say I like one more than the other. I like Cherryh, don't know Bujold (used to talk to CJ Cherryh and Ru Emerson on AOL long ago). For fantasy these days I highly recommend Guy Gavriel Kaye.

Bujold Writes the Miles Vorkosigan series. Great space opera.

I go to comic book stores. I'm a girl. I go into the sci-fi section of Barnes and Noble. What does that say? =)
It says that I find you to be a little weird, but whatever. What do I know?

heh heh, it's so much fun to hang out with the pre-teens and get into deep debates on who would win in a fight-Johnny Storm or Adam Archer... ;)

Now, that's a question I can't answer. I tend to read the darker comics, rather than the typical super-hero ones (although I'm still a sucker for X-Men every now and then).

I go back and forth between sci-fi and fantasy, can't say I like one more than the other. I like Cherryh, don't know Bujold (used to talk to CJ Cherryh and Ru Emerson on AOL long ago). For fantasy these days I highly recommend Guy Gavriel Kaye.
I really liked Tigana, and the Fionavar Tapestry was pretty good. But A Song For Arbonne was sooo tedious. Just couldn't get into it.

I go back and forth between sci-fi and fantasy, can't say I like one more than the other. I like Cherryh, don't know Bujold (used to talk to CJ Cherryh and Ru Emerson on AOL long ago). For fantasy these days I highly recommend Guy Gavriel Kaye.

I recommend Robin Hobb, I reckon that she is the best fantasy author around right now.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that there are no good Sci Fi authors anymore? Authors that are actual scientists and use lots of scientific jargon and such? I've always liked the sort of writing where they describe how all this futuristic technology works.

Now, that's a question I can't answer. I tend to read the darker comics, rather than the typical super-hero ones (although I'm still a sucker for X-Men every now and then).

Yar, me too. X-Men does have a good one every now and then. Right now I'm wading my way through Spawn V.1 and Strangers in Paradise (highly recommended)

Now, that's a question I can't answer. I tend to read the darker comics, rather than the typical super-hero ones (although I'm still a sucker for X-Men every now and then).

I don't usually read comics and I think that most super-heros are naff, but there is something cool about X-men.

I recommend Robin Hobb, I reckon that she is the best fantasy author around right now.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that there are no good Sci Fi authors anymore? Authors that are actual scientists and use lots of scientific jargon and such? I've always liked the sort of writing where they describe how all this futuristic technology works.
Love Robin Hobb. Though I liked the Assasins trilogy better than the new one, they're both good.
Most of my favorite writer's seem to be female. I think they concentrate more on the characters.

Bujold Writes the Miles Vorkosigan series. Great space opera.

Ah. I did read one of hers the other day, in an anthology called Space Opera Renaissance (I think). It was "Weather Man" and had to do with Miles' first assignment. It was rather good. And the anthology is very good, by the way, a nice selection going back to the earliest years and working forward. The hard-cover weighs a good five pounds, too, a nice, substantial book.

Starship Troopers is one of my favourite books. I never heard of the other one, although I'm guessing that it must be alright if it is mentioned in the same sentence as Starship Troopers. That book is just fantastic! :D

Do you know who wrote Forever War?

I think Joe Haldeman wrote it. :D
I loved StarshipTroopers too, it's a shame they butchered it in the movie.

I think Joe Haldeman wrote it. :D
I loved StarshipTroopers too, it's a shame they butchered it in the movie.

both movies

both movies

They did two? For the love of man why?!?

Love Robin Hobb. Though I liked the Assasins trilogy better than the new one, they're both good.
Most of my favorite writer's seem to be female. I think they concentrate more on the characters.

I was a little disappointed with the sequels to The Farseer Trilogy, but the Liveship Traders trilogy was so good that alone makes her my favourite fantasy author.

They did two? For the love of man why?!?

I only saw the first one but I was amazed to hear that the second is even worse! How could they manage that?

:eek:

I recommend Robin Hobb, I reckon that she is the best fantasy author around right now.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that there are no good Sci Fi authors anymore? Authors that are actual scientists and use lots of scientific jargon and such? I've always liked the sort of writing where they describe how all this futuristic technology works.
Robin Hobb is great, I loved the Liveship Traders books. Haven't gotten around to any of her other stuff yet, but I'm told it's all good.

I also rather enjoyed Elizabeth Haydon's Symphony of Ages trilogy.

Yar, me too. X-Men does have a good one every now and then. Right now I'm wading my way through Spawn V.1 and Strangers in Paradise (highly recommended)

I got into comics reading Sandman, so my bar is pretty high =). Come to think of it, I'm pretty much a fan of anything Neil Gaiman has ever done, as far as I can tell. I'm also currently a big fan of Powers (if only it came out more often!). Allen Moore comics (or, graphic novels, I suppose) are wonderful as well, even if he is a bit stuck-up about them. I'm want to read more of the Sin City stuff as well.

I haven't read any of the Spawn comics, but I've heard good things. =)

They did two? For the love of man why?!?

number two bypast the cinemas straight to DVD and was way worse then number one

Robin Hobb is great, I loved the Liveship Traders books. Haven't gotten around to any of her other stuff yet, but I'm told it's all good.

You should read them but don't expect them to be as good as the Liveship Traders. I've not actually read all of her books yet, I'm waiting until the final book of her latest trilogy comes out so I can read them all at once. Also, I've heard that she has written books under a different name which I haven't got around to reading yet.

You should read them but don't expect them to be as good as the Liveship Traders. I've not actually read all of her books yet, I'm waiting until the final book of her latest trilogy comes out so I can read them all at once. Also, I've heard that she has written books under a different name which I haven't got around to reading yet.

I just finished Hell's Gate by Linda Evans and David Weber so I'll be looking for a new one tomorrow. whatthe first book of the Liveship Traders trilogy called?

I just finished Hell's Gate by Linda Evans and David Weber so I'll be looking for a new one tomorrow. whatthe first book of the Liveship Traders trilogy called?
Ship of Magic. :)

Ship of Magic. :)

THANKS! :fluffle:

How did this thread turn into a sci fi discussion among (mostly) females?

I go to comic book stores. I'm a girl. I go into the sci-fi section of Barnes and Noble. What does that say? =)

I'm going to guess it says you're primarily a Neil Gaiman fan, like almost every other female comic/sci-fi fan.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I love Gaiman's novels, only it's the only generalization I've ever been able to draw about female comic shop patrons.

How did this thread turn into a sci fi discussion among (mostly) females?

The comic book gods are answering the OP's prayer.

I'm going to guess it says you're primarily a Neil Gaiman fan, like almost every other female comic/sci-fi fan.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I love Gaiman's novels, only it's the only generalization I've ever been able to draw about female comic shop patrons.

Well, it may be a generalization, but I meet it. I *love* all things Gaiman, as does my fiance. We've lost track of the Gaiman books and comics we've bought for each other, including his children's books.

Gaiman was not my introduction to sci-fi (and I'm not sure I'd classify most of his novels as sci fi at all), but the Sandman comics were the first comics I picked up and really read an entire series. I've started reading others since then, but that was the first I read more than an issue or two of.

Come on, we're a bunch of nerds, so the girls on here are willing to admit they like Sci-Fi. I like it, when I have time to read it. Basically summer vacation. :p

yep, I like sci-fi. I always end up feeling weird when I tell people that, though, in case they think I'm weird. I mean, I AM, but I usually try to keep that kind of thing concealed until they know me well enough to not run away :D

Of course, I think there's a general trend towards any reading at all seen as being weird, and the fact that far more of my money goes towards books than new clothes makes me different than most girls around my age.

heh heh, it's so much fun to hang out with the pre-teens and get into deep debates on who would win in a fight-Johnny Storm or Adam Archer... ;)

That's not a hard question at all. Unless the writer is an idiot or a fanboy, the winner has to be Archer.

As a human who has united with a universal consiousness Archer represents the fully idealized human being who has achieved the full state of maturity that all people are supposed to aspire to.

As a young man who embodies the fiery impuslivness of youth, Johnny Storm represents a man trapped in an infantile state which he cannot outgrow. Archer is what he's supposed to be trying to become, not defeat.

If Storm did defeat Archer it would represent a catastrophic failure on his part to learn some fundamental lesson on his way to adulthood. i.e. for the story to play out properly, it would have to be revealed later that it would have been better for Storm had he lost to Archer because Archer was doing the right thing. :D

Well, it may be a generalization, but I meet it. I *love* all things Gaiman, as does my fiance. We've lost track of the Gaiman books and comics we've bought for each other, including his children's books.

Gaiman was not my introduction to sci-fi (and I'm not sure I'd classify most of his novels as sci fi at all), but the Sandman comics were the first comics I picked up and really read an entire series. I've started reading others since then, but that was the first I read more than an issue or two of.

Yes, perhaps I should have introduced my wife to the work of Neil Gaiman before showing her the work of Jhonen Vasquez. Oh well. I can still raise my daughter watching the prematurely terminated Invader Zim (I never even got to say goodbye :( .)

Bujold Writes the Miles Vorkosigan series. Great space opera.

Along side David Drake and John Ringo, L.M. Bujold is one of my favorite authors. The Miles Vorkosigian novels are some of the most fun reads I have in my collection. I just wish she would write MORE of them already!!!:headbang:

Good space opera is rather rare. Especially as E.E. Doc Smith has been dead for so many years.

I guess I am really lucky in respect of the OP. My girlfriend loves reading and writing both sci-fi and fantasy. She's a big fan of Peter Davidsons New Frontiers/Star Trek series.

I need help from the ladies of the forum, please. ... First, a girl contacts me. We start talking, and everything goes great. But sooner or later the conversation drifts to literature; I read a lot, and therefore would like to find a woman who does too. I mention that I enjoy science fiction novels, and then, without fail, I never hear from the girl again.I'm afraid I can't be of much help, except to observe that too many people on online dating sites are too shallow. (I've had perfectly nice ongoing conversations with guys I met online, eventually they ask for my picture, and then I never hear from them. It's not like I have a third arm or second head.)

As for your comments: I'm female, and love sci fi, fantasy, technology. I even have a full shelf of anime DVDs. I once had a DISH Network repair guy eyeball my DVD collection (from Star Trek and Star Wars to The Mummy and anime, etc.) and declare, "Hey, you're a cool chick!" :D

Now, my question is, where can I find a guy who appreciates these traits in a female? LOL

Peter David is a hack. And Neil Gaiman isn't worth the squeeing fangirlism he gets. Really. I tried reading Neverwhere once. I yawned so much & then finally threw the book across the room in a bid to keep it from sucking all the energy from my skull.

Peter David is a hack. And Neil Gaiman isn't worth the squeeing fangirlism he gets. Really. I tried reading Neverwhere once. I yawned so much & then finally threw the book across the room in a bid to keep it from sucking all the energy from my skull.

It's kind of hard to give your opinion much credence until you say what it is you don't like about them, some that you do like, and why.

It's kind of hard to give your opinion much credence until you say what it is you don't like about them, some that you do like, and why.

Point. Fair enough.

When Peter David writes, it reads like the stories I wrote when I was 14. They focus too much on minutiae, they invariably like to pick up or be based on some obscure referential item, & I find his character descriptions & actions to be completely unbelievable.

As for Gaiman, when I read what I could, I could not lose myself in his work. All I heard was this condescending little British voice doing the "upper-crust snooty tea time" chuckles & saying, "Look at me, aren't I so clever? See how I make small twists that seem to be necessary but are not? See how I obfuscate facts & plot points behind meandering?" The only good thing I can say is that the book didn't mar my wall when I hurled it across the room. About the only thing of Gaiman's I like is the Babylon 5 episode he wrote, & that's only because I think JMS stifled most of Gaiman's tendencies under his own (which weren't necessarily any better).


Someone I do like? Robert Heinlein, Peter Høeg, Daniel Quinn, Martin Cruz Smith (really, only the Arkady Renko novels), Qiu Xiaolong, Stephen Fry, Nick Hornby, Kurt Vonnegut. The autors I tend to go back to time & time again are ones who ultimately deal with the human condition.

For escapist natures, I enjoy early Tom Clancy, Ian Fleming, Douglas Adams, Clive Cussler (although her's been repeating himself so much lately). There are plenty of non-fiction books I read, too, if the source material intrigues me enough; two of my favorites are music-related, The Real Frank Zappa Book by Frank Zappa & Peter Ochiogrosso, & Dream Brother: The Lives of Jeff & Tim Buckley by David Browne.

I need help from the ladies of the forum, please.

Lately, I've been checking out some online dating services, as these days they are seriously beginning to compete with bars as the best place to meet new people.

First, a girl contacts me. We start talking, and everything goes great. But sooner or later the conversation drifts to literature; I read a lot, and therefore would like to find a woman who does too. I mention that I enjoy science fiction novels, and then, without fail, I never hear from the girl again. This method of babe-repellant is so efficient that I've even learned to use it to get ethically rid of girls I don't like.

I'd be interested to know, what causes this kind of behavior in a woman? Any prejudices, stereotypes, or negative emotions you have, let me hear them.

I'm female and I've read Sci-fi since I was 12 (@47 years). Heinlein, Azimov, Clarke, I like them all. You're probably dealing with some rather limited young ladies, either that, or the Sci-fi isn't the problem. Could it be possible that it's something else?

Uhm ... did you really intend that line to read that way?

You heard me!

Yes, perhaps I should have introduced my wife to the work of Neil Gaiman before showing her the work of Jhonen Vasquez. Oh well. I can still raise my daughter watching the prematurely terminated Invader Zim (I never even got to say goodbye :( .)

Filler Bunny!

=)

I love Invader Zim. *sniff*

i watch star trek with my gf :)
...and then have sex, yes ;-) :-P

My eyes! My eyes!

Star trek = great

Star wars = not so much

I'm with you.

Of course, Firefly is even better...

Firefly's O.K. Farscape is better. ;)

Try reading some of Orson Scott Cards stuff
Like Ender's Game

Filler Bunny!

=)

I love Invader Zim. *sniff*

Channel 136 (Nicktoons Network), 1030 or 1100 PM EST.

Try reading some of Orson Scott Cards stuff
Like Ender's Game

Or you could try reading something worthwhile! :D
Just kiddin', kind of.

Or you could try reading something worthwhile! :D

Seconded.

Try reading some of Orson Scott Cards stuff
Like Ender's Game

Good stuff, although, if you keep reading, the series gets pretty weird towards the end.

Orson Scott Card is a total hack. He found his target audience (depressed kids who get picked on a lot) and made one the hero of his book. Thusly, he sells 'em by the millions. *shakes head*

I'll stick with Dune.

I'll stick with Dune.

Another good series that gets really weird if you keep reading.

Another good series that gets really weird if you keep reading.

That's because when Frank Herbert died, his son took over.

That's because when Frank Herbert died, his son took over.

Dune gets weird with God Emperor. Dune gets dumb when his son took over.

That's because when Frank Herbert died, his son took over.

God Emperor, Heretics, and Chapterhouse were all really weird.

Dune gets weird with God Emperor. Dune gets dumb when his son took over.

QFT

I'm with you.

Of course, Firefly is even better...

When I saw the first episode I thought it was just going to be a long running joke on the genre "Space Western."

I was looking forward to him doing a follow up series about cooking in the old west with cowboys with thick Italian accents.

Try reading some of Orson Scott Cards stuff
Like Ender's Game

His stuff left me kinda flat.

When I read his pro-Bush diatribe accusing other pro-Kerry novelists of "living in their imaginations," I saw why. The guy made his name writing about a juvinille exterminator and thinks that he's grounded in reality.

Channel 136 (Nicktoons Network), 1030 or 1100 PM EST.

That's actually where I started watching it. When I saw it in the TV listings on Nickelodeon I didn't give it a glance. Then I read a Vasquez interview and started kicking myself. I now have the theme song on my iPod.

Ah, how wonderful. People chirping how their GF loves sci-fi, and how they're muscle-bound and successful.

On the internet.

People never learn.

As for sci-fi... I love writing it in RPs, but I have read very little. The only one I ever read all the way through was Fall of Reach from the Halo series (and yes, I know "OMG G4YL0 SUX GO GET TEH END4R'S G4M3 0R DUN3!!111"). My detractors probably say it shows, but I happen to *like* space opera.

Calling it "speculative fiction" just sounds like the stupidest PCBS ever.

1CoolDud3: I like speculative fiction.

HawtChick: Speculative fiction? Whats that?

1CoolDud3: Uh... it's like with... the future... and social impacts of technologies...

HawtChick: You basically mean sci-fi then.

1CoolDud3: Yeah.

HawtChick signed off.

The answer to the question is 'good'. :p

Technically, aren't a huge amount of books 'speculative fiction'? Alternate history, for starters, not just sci-fi... hell, even Harry Potter is 'speculative'

star trek is great, a lot of girls dont get it though

My girlfriend Leah loves Sci-Fi, right now she is reading the Dune series. I'm more of a Trekkie myself.

star trek is great, a lot of girls dont get it though

The biggest Trekkie I know is a girl. Luckily for her, her husband will watch too. =)

Of course, she's also one of the biggest college football fans I know.

My girlfriend Leah loves Sci-Fi,

LOL