NationStates Jolt Archive


So Iraq IS for oil.

Zilam
07-11-2006, 03:02
Da Prez pretty much says so here.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/04/AR2006110401025.html)

Bush Says U.S. Pullout Would Let Iraq Radicals Use Oil as a Weapon

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 5, 2006; Page A06

GREELEY, Colo., Nov. 4 -- During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, President Bush and his aides sternly dismissed suggestions that the war was all about oil. "Nonsense," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld declared. "This is not about that," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.

Now, more than 3 1/2 years later, someone else is asserting that the war is about oil -- President Bush.


As he barnstorms across the country campaigning for Republican candidates in Tuesday's elections, Bush has been citing oil as a reason to stay in Iraq. If the United States pulled its troops out prematurely and surrendered the country to insurgents, he warns audiences, it would effectively hand over Iraq's considerable petroleum reserves to terrorists who would use it as a weapon against other countries.

"You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got control of energy resources," he said at a rally here Saturday for Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.). "And then you can imagine them saying, 'We're going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of oil up unless you do the following. And the following would be along the lines of, well, 'Retreat and let us continue to expand our dark vision.' "

Bush said extremists controlling Iraq "would use energy as economic blackmail" and try to pressure the United States to abandon its alliance with Israel. At a stop in Missouri on Friday, he suggested that such radicals would be "able to pull millions of barrels of oil off the market, driving the price up to $300 or $400 a barrel."

Oil is not the only reason Bush offers for staying in Iraq, but his comments on the stump represent another striking evolution of his argument on behalf of the war. The slogan of "no blood for oil" became a rallying cry for antiwar activists prior to the March 2003 invasion and angered administration officials. "There are certain things like that, myths, that are floating around," Rumsfeld told Steve Kroft of CBS Radio in November 2002. "It has nothing to do with oil, literally nothing to do with oil."

To deny that the invasion was just for oil Tony Fratto had this to say.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Saturday that Bush's latest argument does not reflect a real shift. "We're still not saying we went into Iraq for oil. That's not true," he said. "But there is the realistic strategic concern that if a country with such enormous oil reserves and the corresponding revenues you can derive from that is controlled by essentially a terrorist organization, it could be destabilizing for the region."

Some analysts, however, said that Bush is exaggerating the impact of Iraq's oil production on world markets. Iraq has more than 112 billion barrels of oil, the second-largest proven reserves in the world. But it currently pumps just 2.3 million barrels per day and exports 1.6 million of that, according to the State Department's tracking report on the country, still short of what it produced before the invasion.

That represents a fraction of the 85 million barrels produced around the world each day and less than the surplus capacity of Saudi Arabia and other Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, meaning in a crisis they could ramp up their wells to make up for the shortfall, analysts said. The United States also has 688 million barrels of oil in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, enough to counter a disruption of Iraqi oil for 14 months.

Even if Iraq did not sell oil to the United States, it would not matter as long as it sold it to someone because the international market is fungible and what counts is the overall supply and overall demand, according to analysts. If Iraq cut off exports altogether, it still would not have the dire effect on the world market that Bush predicts, they said. The price of oil began rising dramatically in 2002 as the confrontation with Iraq loomed, but many factors contributed, including increasing demand by China and problems in Nigeria, Venezuela and elsewhere.

The world, in fact, has already seen what would happen if Iraqi oil were cut off entirely, as Bush suggests radicals might do. Iraq effectively stopped pumping oil altogether in the months immediately after the invasion. And yet the price of oil has never topped $80, much less come anywhere near the $300 or $400 a barrel Bush cited as a possible consequence of a radical Iraqi regime withholding the country's oil.

"They're a minor exporter," said Edward Morse, managing director and chief energy economist at Lehman Brothers. "They have potential to be a greater exporter. But it's ludicrous to suggest someone could hold the world hostage by withholding oil from the market, especially a regime that needs money."

Disruptions of oil supplies certainly affect the markets, but not as drastically as Bush suggested, Morse said. He noted that Venezuela's capacity has fallen by 1 million barrels a day since President Hugo Chavez came to power there and yet it has not given him any geopolitical leverage over the United States even though he is an avowed Bush foe. But Morse agreed that Iran, for example, could "play mischief" because it already effectively controls much of Iraqi oil in the southern part of the country.

Fratto, the White House spokesman, argued that even if radicals could not move the markets dramatically with Iraqi oil, they would use the country as a base to topple other governments in the Middle East such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, which would give them "a lot more oil to blackmail with."

So it seems that Bush has kicked it up in high gear to tell us what we already know...Iraq is for oil. However, he is playing on fear now, giving obscenely high numbers for Iraq's oil production, among other things. Too bad his fear mongering won't hide the fact that his republican friends won't win, and now we hear it out of his mouth, that this unpopular war is indeed for oil.

I'm just wondering how many more times he is going to change his story about why we are there.
Soviestan
07-11-2006, 03:06
I'm not really surprised.
The Holy Ekaj Monarchy
07-11-2006, 03:09
Neither am I.
Liuzzo
07-11-2006, 03:10
oh the things we already knew but wished weren't true.
Zilam
07-11-2006, 04:16
Bump
Greater Trostia
07-11-2006, 04:26
Heh so Iraq wasn't for oil. It was just to control the oil! Biiiig difference there, Mr Fratto.
Neo Undelia
07-11-2006, 04:43
Honesty is nice.:)
CanuckHeaven
07-11-2006, 05:16
I'm not really surprised.
I am certainly not surprised:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Six7Six7/flashing_down_arrow.gif
New Xero Seven
07-11-2006, 05:17
The word 'duh' comes to mind. :rolleyes:
GreaterPacificNations
07-11-2006, 05:19
So nachos DOES taste better with melted cheese.

Damnit, now I want nachos :(
*wants nachos*
New Xero Seven
07-11-2006, 05:21
*wants nachos*

No, eat squid. They're healthier. :)
Lunatic Goofballs
07-11-2006, 05:23
Talk about election desperation! if all else fails, tell the truth! :)
Non Aligned States
07-11-2006, 05:23
And sooner or later, the apologists and spin doctors will come along claiming it's all for your own good.
Allemonde
07-11-2006, 05:24
Is it weird that everyone on NS knows this but the rest of americans seem to be totally ignorant. I guess that what happens when u use TV as a pacifier. Read Fahrenheit 451 to understand what i'm saying.
Pyotr
07-11-2006, 05:25
In other breaking news a grizzly bear was sited shitting in the woods of Montana today, scientists are baffled by this strange behavior.
CanuckHeaven
07-11-2006, 05:30
Talk about election desperation! if all else fails, tell the truth! :)
Confession is good for the soul?

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_confession.jpg

:D
Soviestan
07-11-2006, 06:07
Confession is good for the soul?

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_confession.jpg

:D

some how I'm not surprised about the horse thing:D
Desperate Measures
07-11-2006, 06:10
If Satan exists, he's taking notes.
Nobel Hobos
07-11-2006, 14:25
'Retreat and let us continue to expand our dark vision.'

He wants to be careful there, sounds like a catchy line.

EDIT: I mean, aren't the new rulers of Iraq more likely to demand the release of prisoners, or the withdrawal of troops? Or higher than market prices for their oil? Or even dress codes for women in the West? None of which would happen.
You'd have to go back to the Symbionese Liberation Army or some such to find an ultimatum as dumb as "let us continue to expand our dark vision."
Ultraextreme Sanity
07-11-2006, 15:26
If you want dark vision get strong sun glasses.
Ifreann
07-11-2006, 15:29
I guess somebody mislabelled the LIES and TRUTH folders.
Utracia
07-11-2006, 15:37
Wow, this is nearly as good as when Bush admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Quarantin
07-11-2006, 15:54
OMG have all those people been killed for oil? Well, at least the iraqis are free from that evil dictator saddam, and alqaida is no longer a threat and the west is a safer place. A fair price to pay for FREEDOM!
Ifreann
07-11-2006, 15:56
OMG have all those people been killed for oil? Well, at least the iraqis are free from that evil dictator saddam, and alqaida is no longer a threat and the west is a safer place. A fair price to pay for FREEDOM!

Alright, you got Saddam, I'll give you that. But how is Al Qaeda no longer a threat? And how is the West any safer?
Atopiana
07-11-2006, 15:59
Sad thing is, the Iraqis were better off under Saddam than they are now.

Also, I think the 'Coalition' has killed more Iraqis than Saddam did...!

As for the OP, well... DUH!
Quarantin
07-11-2006, 16:01
Alright, you got Saddam, I'll give you that. But how is Al Qaeda no longer a threat? And how is the West any safer?

because alqueda was friends with saddam, and now they are alone and crippled and therefor the west is safer. The west is also safer because an enemy has been removed and will be hanged soon.
Khadgar
07-11-2006, 16:03
because alqueda was friends with saddam, and now they are alone and crippled and therefor the west is safer. The west is also safer because an enemy has been removed and will be hanged soon.

Holy crap I hope you're being facetious.
Nobel Hobos
07-11-2006, 16:04
OMG have all those people been killed for oil? Well, at least the iraqis are free from that evil dictator saddam, and alqaida is no longer a threat and the west is a safer place. A fair price to pay for FREEDOM!

Hey, where do I get this FREE OIL you speak of ?

EDIT: You aren't MTAE by any chance? Disappointed that we aren't all heeding the word, experimenting with dumbing it down even more?
Atopiana
07-11-2006, 16:05
because alqueda was friends with saddam, and now they are alone and crippled and therefor the west is safer. The west is also safer because an enemy has been removed and will be hanged soon.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You poor fool! Al Qaeda hated Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath Party! Osama Bin Laden declared Hussein an apostate and a target for Al Qaeda - and Saddam had his secret service utterly destroy any Al Qaeda or other terrorists that were in Iraq.

Al Qaeda had no foothold in Iraq until after the 2003 invasion! Also, 7th of July bombs in London (2005), and the Madrid bombings (2004?) - both after the invasion and capture of Saddam. :rolleyes:
Ifreann
07-11-2006, 16:05
because alqueda was friends with saddam, and now they are alone and crippled and therefor the west is safer. The west is also safer because an enemy has been removed and will be hanged soon.

Yes, I'm sure with Saddam in jail the huge terror network is utterly helpless. And yeah, hanging Saddam is going to make us all much safer. :rolleyes:
Ice Hockey Players
07-11-2006, 16:07
because alqueda was friends with saddam, and now they are alone and crippled and therefor the west is safer. The west is also safer because an enemy has been removed and will be hanged soon.

Sadly, a lot of people continue to believe this horse-hockey. Too many people still believe Saddam had WMDs and was buddies with al-Qaeda despite the Bush adminstration's confessions that neither case was true. Jeez...the Bush administration's problem is that they are too evil for most of America and not evil enough fore their fiercest supporters.
Nobel Hobos
07-11-2006, 17:03
Horse-hockey is polo. Just so we all understand that Icey isn't taking about horseshit here...
Ice Hockey Players
07-11-2006, 17:05
Horse-hockey is polo. Just so we all understand that Icey isn't taking about horseshit here...

And in horse hockey, you have to watch for a major field hazard, which is horse shit..."the main hazard of horse hockey" is too long, so it gets shortened.