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Drugs are becoming increasingly prevalent in our society, and there is a booming black market trade in illegal narcotics. We have attempted to declare "war" on drugs, but to no avail; our campaigns to stop drug trafficking have been ineffectual so far. Because of drugs, the very fibre of our society is being torn to shreds; drug-related crimes are increasing and workforce productivity is decreasing -- drugs have an extremely detrimental effect on our economy. Thus, I propose we deal with the matter immediately and ruthlessly.

First, we'll create special police squads whose purpose is to sell drugs. They will sell their wares at low prices so as to maximize the amount of customers which they attract. After they gain sufficient street credentials, they add deadly poison to their drugs to kill the end user. Also, when they arrest a drug lord, they should forcibly poison his drugs, too, and sell them as if nothing was wrong. Eventually, the number of addicts would drastically decrease due to their death, and a new generation of drug consumers will be deterred because of fear of death. It's an easy, inexpensive, and very practical solution.

Here's a better solution: Legalize drugs. Their very illegality is what makes the black market so lucrative and profitable.

Here's a better solution: Legalize drugs. Their very illegality is what makes the black market so lucrative and profitable.

The US tried that in the 20s and 30s, drug addiction got so bad the hospitals were overflowing with recovering addicts, making them too thinly stretched to care for people with real pathological diseases.

If you were to pison drug stocks, I would imagine that the local Humane Society would find that many nervous looking people now want a new dog or cat, and aren't too picky about the type of animal.

The US tried that in the 20s and 30s, drug addiction got so bad the hospitals were overflowing with recovering addicts, making them too thinly stretched to care for people with real pathological diseases.Actually, in the 20's and 30's, we had increased prohibition of all drugs. Prior to this, there was little, if any, restriction.

And there is nothing like murder to solve crime.
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The US tried that in the 20s and 30s, drug addiction got so bad the hospitals were overflowing with recovering addicts, making them too thinly stretched to care for people with real pathological diseases.


Really? I'd like to see a link.

and here's Daistallia's legalisation post:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11770256&postcount=61

Drugs are becoming increasingly prevalent in our society, and there is a booming black market trade in illegal narcotics. We have attempted to declare "war" on drugs, but to no avail; our campaigns to stop drug trafficking have been ineffectual so far. Because of drugs, the very fibre of our society is being torn to shreds; drug-related crimes are increasing and workforce productivity is decreasing -- drugs have an extremely detrimental effect on our economy. Thus, I propose we deal with the matter immediately and ruthlessly. Let me get this straight, if they didn't decrease workforce productivity, narcotics would be acceptable in your eyes?

First, we'll create special police squads whose purpose is to sell drugs. They will sell their wares at low prices so as to maximize the amount of customers which they attract. Interesting. Starve out the drug lords and then just deny drugs on the market. Sounds like an almost acceptable plan.
After they gain sufficient street credentials, they add deadly poison to their drugs to kill the end user. Or not...
Also, when they arrest a drug lord, they should forcibly poison his drugs, too, and sell them as if nothing was wrong. Eventually, the number of addicts would drastically decrease due to their death, and a new generation of drug consumers will be deterred because of fear of death. Or they'll learn to pick the cops from the dealers.
It's an easy, inexpensive, and very practical solution.Not to mention illegal, immoral, unethical, and evil...

He promised a solution to the drug problem. He didn't promise a good one. This smacks of the parable about the farmer who was sick of teenagers stealing his crops, so he put up a sign that said "One of these melons is contaminated with cyanide." The next day, he went out and there was a sign below his that read, "Now there are two."

Really, the solution is this: Legalize most drugs. The really hard stuff and "synthetic" drugs (don't really know a better word for ones like crack and crystal meth) should be banned, with people who sell them being locked away while people who just use them being rehabilitated and turned into boring civil servants. As for weed...treat it like alcohol. That's basically what it is in another form.

Plus, the FDA could regulate it, and the government would make a killing off of taxes.

Actually, in the 20's and 30's, we had increased prohibition of all drugs. Prior to this, there was little, if any, restriction.

And there is nothing like murder to solve crime.
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Indeed, I can't recall ever hearing about a time in the US where drugs were so rampant that the hospitals were overflowing.

And yes, murder is a kind of permanent solution to not only drugs, but much else, theft, assault, rape, dissent. Didn't a former Middle Eastern dictator just get sentenced to death for killing his own people? What is his name, it's right on the tip of my tongue.

Hey, that reminds me of my blockbuster plan to stop crime. Since most crime occurs in the cities, let's just drop low-yield thermonuclear bombs on them. That will eradicate the crime, poverty, and pollution inherent in the cities, as well as encourage us to manage our remaining territories more wisely. Another plus: the cities are the Democratic base, and their destruction will pave the way for a one-party state led by the wise and judicious Republicans. As for the artistic and cultural treasures lost? Art and culture are useless diversions.

Also, the inhospitable nuclear winter that would result would only serve to make our people hardier and more self-reliant, and would weed out all the weak elements of what remained of society. In just a few short years, we could achieve the stark, utilitarian police state we've always dreamed of!

Who's with me?!

:rolleyes:

Drugs are becoming increasingly prevalent in our society, and there is a booming black market trade in illegal narcotics. We have attempted to declare "war" on drugs, but to no avail; our campaigns to stop drug trafficking have been ineffectual so far. Because of drugs, the very fibre of our society is being torn to shreds; drug-related crimes are increasing and workforce productivity is decreasing -- drugs have an extremely detrimental effect on our economy. Thus, I propose we deal with the matter immediately and ruthlessly.

First, we'll create special police squads whose purpose is to sell drugs. They will sell their wares at low prices so as to maximize the amount of customers which they attract. After they gain sufficient street credentials, they add deadly poison to their drugs to kill the end user. Also, when they arrest a drug lord, they should forcibly poison his drugs, too, and sell them as if nothing was wrong. Eventually, the number of addicts would drastically decrease due to their death, and a new generation of drug consumers will be deterred because of fear of death. It's an easy, inexpensive, and very practical solution.

That assumes that all drug users deserve the death penalty.

Let me get this straight, if they didn't decrease workforce productivity, narcotics would be acceptable in your eyes?

If they didn't decrease worker productivity and increase the incidence of violent crimes, I would not have any problems with drugs. However, they do.

Or they'll learn to pick the cops from the dealers.

No, they won't. If we catch an "honest" dealer, we would also poison their supply of drugs, so it would be impossible to be sure of a safe supply of drugs. Also, we could offer rewards for well-established drug lords who are willing to poison their wares in exchange for lots of money.

Ah Means to an End, your insane ranting never fails to amuse me.
Keep it up.
*drops a penny in MtaE's hat*

Hey, that reminds me of my blockbuster plan to stop crime. Since most crime occurs in the cities, let's just drop low-yeild thermonuclear bombs on them. That will eradicate the crime, poverty, and pollution inherent in the cities, as well as encourage us to manage our remaining territories more wisely. As for the artistic and cultural treasures lost? Art and culture are useless diversions.

Also, the inhospitable nuclear winter that would result would only serve to make our people hardier and more self-reliant, and would weed out all the weak elements of what remained of society. In just a few short years, we could achieve the stark, utilitarian police state we've always dreamed of!

Who's with me?!

:rolleyes:

And since those countrysides are so hard to control, we have to poison their crops en masse and release a virus among the people. One that hibernates for about six months and does nothing so people don't know they have it, but it's still long enough for everyone to get it...then when everyone's sick and the cat's out of the bag, we destroy the virus, everyone begins to die, we blow up the lab where it was created, and the last people on Earth are about 20 scientists who discovered it! We can re-populate the human race from scientists! Yay!

What a load of horseshit.

That assumes that all drug users deserve the death penalty.

I'm not saying that they "deserve" it, but society deserves to be free from the plague set upon it in the form of drugs. Hopefully, those who are worthy to live will give up drugs when they realize what's happening. Those who are hopelessly addicted are a threat to society as a whole, and need to be imprisoned or killed. We lack the capacity to apprehend all of them, so...

Someone really should tell MTaE that this is NS general and as such role-play is not needed.

*stares at Laerod*

Hey, that reminds me of my blockbuster plan to stop crime. Since most crime occurs in the cities, let's just drop low-yield thermonuclear bombs on them. That will eradicate the crime, poverty, and pollution inherent in the cities, as well as encourage us to manage our remaining territories more wisely. Another plus: the cities are the Democratic base, and their destruction will pave the way for a one-party state led by the wise and judicious Republicans. As for the artistic and cultural treasures lost? Art and culture are useless diversions.

Also, the inhospitable nuclear winter that would result would only serve to make our people hardier and more self-reliant, and would weed out all the weak elements of what remained of society. In just a few short years, we could achieve the stark, utilitarian police state we've always dreamed of!

Who's with me?!

:rolleyes:


I had a similar plan to stop illigal migrants from Mexico.
We dig a string of two mile deep holes along the Mexican border, and in each of these holes we place a high yield fusion bomb. When these are detonated it creates a new continiental plate, the Mexican plate. In a thosand years, we wont have any migrant problems.

That assumes that all drug users deserve the death penalty.

They do, because they're stealing from the nation as a whole by spending their time sticking needles in their arms or white powder up their noses or whatever, instead of working and consuming. The crimes they commit to get money to buy their drugs hurts the productive members of society, sometimes even taking their lives. Druggies are damaging their precious bodily fluids, making it impossible for them to become the parents of productive members of the community, thereby passing the lessening of productivity down the ages. Should I go on?

As opposed to killing them by lacing the drugs with poisin (which is rediculous and inhumane) why not simply lace them with traceable radioactive isotopes. Harmless, non leathal isotopes so that they may be able to trace the users and arest them

Lace them at the point of origin I mean, so that the network can be revealed.

Trilby63;11910541']Someone really should tell MTaE that this is NS general and as such role-play is not needed.

Thank you for acknowledging that you cannot find any flaw in my plan. However, resulting to insults is not appreciated just because you cannot present a valid defense of your ideas.

Thank you for acknowledging that you cannot find any flaw in my plan. However, resulting to insults is not appreciated just because you cannot present a valid defense of your ideas.

Are you reading the same thing I typed?

Harmless, non leathal isotopes so that they may be able to trace the users and arest them


So we persuade people to walk around with MRI machines around their bodies so that we can track them? It is simply not feasible; it is impossible to accurately measure radioactivity from a distance. You need to be close to the source to verify from where the decay is coming, and a policeman waiting around a corner with a Geiger counter would ruin the element of surprise.

Thank you for acknowledging that you cannot find any flaw in my plan. However, resulting to insults is not appreciated just because you cannot present a valid defense of your ideas.

Thank you for that blatantly in-your-face example of a logical fallacy. "Wow, you can't disprove me? You might be able to disprove me but choose not to in this exact sentence? I WIN! I'M THE SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD! FEAR ME!" Sheesh. I could come up with a valid argument that your idea couldn't possibly work (like the idea that the poison would be slipped in with no warning and a lot of people who are otherwise productive members of society who just happen to like their drugs would die, not to mention that the government would be in for some pretty stiff competition and would lose all trust from the people after pulling a stunt like this) but it would go in one ear and out the other because you're more closed-minded than Fred Phelps.

If you were to pison drug stocks, I would imagine that the local Humane Society would find that many nervous looking people now want a new dog or cat, and aren't too picky about the type of animal.

I imagine that you'll be right, there will be lots of dognapping going on. :(

Trilby63;11910552']Are you reading the same thing I typed?

Why must you bring rabbits into every argument?

Why must you bring rabbits into every argument?

:D

I love you.

http://www.rxmarihuana.com/epilepsy.htm

The above is a confession by one of those horrible drug fiends who deserve to die.

An excerpt:

My name is Tim Shellman and I am 29 years old. My wife and I have two children. I am currently disabled due to epilepsy. I quit school after the eighth grade so I could go to work. I began using marijuana recreationally soon thereafter....I have been tried unsuccessfully on most all anticonvulsant drugs. During the time that I used marijuana recreationally I noticed a dramatic decrease in my seizure activity. When I was 17 years old my jaw was broken during a fight. My mouth was wired shut for six weeks. Because of this I could not take my seizure medicine. However I was able to smoke marijuana. My seizures were completely controlled during this time. When my wires were removed I did not resume my medication because the use of marijuana was so successful. I remained seizure-free for 8 months. At this point my supply of marijuana was cut off. After 2 weeks of no marijuana and no medication, I woke up one morning in a puddle of blood on the bathroom floor. My seizures had returned and I had struck my head against the bathtub. I started taking my medicine again at this point because marijuana was not available.

If they didn't decrease worker productivity and increase the incidence of violent crimes, I would not have any problems with drugs. However, they do.

Hey, why don't we do that to alchohol as well. It decreases prodoctivity and the incidence of violent crime.


No, they won't. If we catch an "honest" dealer, we would also poison their supply of drugs, so it would be impossible to be sure of a safe supply of drugs. Also, we could offer rewards for well-established drug lords who are willing to poison their wares in exchange for lots of money.

You have absolutely no knowledge of the drug scene, do you? How would you go about poisoning the dealers supply without his knowledge? It would be downright stupid economically to pay large sums of money, as unless that amount is rediculously high, thus putting financial strain upon the government, there would be no incentive. Most drugs lords make more money in a month than you will in your life. They have money, they can afford to get out of just about any jam they damn well please, and taking a little bit of cash now will hardly be equal to the amount they can make in a lifetime.

And do you know how hard it is to find drug lords? The lords tend to be very well hidden. They are incredibly good at keeping hidden from the law. Also, if one of their dealers were to start selling this laced drug, they would know in an instant, and seeing as how it is bad for business, they would "take care" of said dealer, one way or another.

Really, you are either ignorant beyond all belief, or a troll.

Meh, I think drugs should be legal with restrictions, similar to how alcohol and cigarettes are treated. You want to smoke dope, that's fine. You want to operate a motor vehicle under the influence, that's not fine. Showing up to work high, you're fired as fast as if you had shown up drunk. You want to light up a joint, fine. Do it in the smoking area... outside... 30 feet from the entrance to any place of work. Or in your own home.

If you want to pollute your body, I really don't give a fuck. Just don't force us to deal with the consequences.

Here's a better solution: Legalize drugs. Their very illegality is what makes the black market so lucrative and profitable.

Agreed. That, and get rid of these horrid gun control laws. We don't prohibit alcohol, we shouldn't prohibit drugs either. And guns should be regulated the same way cars are.

http://www.rxmarihuana.com/epilepsy.htm

The above is a confession by one of those horrible drug fiends who deserve to die.

An excerpt:

This person admits that he stopped taking his medication in favor of marijuana, medication that was developed at great cost by our nation's pharmaceutical industry, which keeps thousands and thousands of productive members of society employed. Who does he think he is to simply stop taking that medication? Is he a doctor? Does he have any medical training? One might ask if he's even in this country legally.

Drugs are becoming increasingly prevalent in our society, and there is a booming black market trade in illegal narcotics. We have attempted to declare "war" on drugs, but to no avail; our campaigns to stop drug trafficking have been ineffectual so far. Because of drugs, the very fibre of our society is being torn to shreds; drug-related crimes are increasing and workforce productivity is decreasing -- drugs have an extremely detrimental effect on our economy. Thus, I propose we deal with the matter immediately and ruthlessly.

First, we'll create special police squads whose purpose is to sell drugs. They will sell their wares at low prices so as to maximize the amount of customers which they attract. After they gain sufficient street credentials, they add deadly poison to their drugs to kill the end user. Also, when they arrest a drug lord, they should forcibly poison his drugs, too, and sell them as if nothing was wrong. Eventually, the number of addicts would drastically decrease due to their death, and a new generation of drug consumers will be deterred because of fear of death. It's an easy, inexpensive, and very practical solution.

I hope you realize that your plan won't achieve it's goal.

If your main goal is to increase worker productivity, killing off large portions of the workforce isn't exactly the best way to go about it.

That, and anyone who believes that going after users instead of producers of narcotics will solve the problem is deluding themselves...even under your plan, there will still be drug users of all types, and they'll simply find ways to work around your tactics, as they have for decades.

Hey, why don't we do that to alchohol as well. It decreases prodoctivity and the incidence of violent crime.

Not really. I doubt that many adults don't consume alcohol habitually, yet their performance is not negatively impacted by their drinking. As long as they don't show up at work while inebriated, that's fine. It also serves as a depressant which can actually help boost productivity by lowering stress. The same does not apply to drugs, which are addictive.

You have absolutely no knowledge of the drug scene, do you? How would you go about poisoning the dealers supply without his knowledge?

No, you apprehend a drug dealer. Then, you poison his supply of drugs and force him to continue selling them. After his customer base has been eradicated, you arrest him. It would be quite difficult to arrest big-time drug lords, but that's not what I'm proposing. All you need is to catch more minor fish.

I'm not saying that they "deserve" it, but society deserves to be free from the plague set upon it in the form of drugs. Hopefully, those who are worthy to live will give up drugs when they realize what's happening. Those who are hopelessly addicted are a threat to society as a whole, and need to be imprisoned or killed. We lack the capacity to apprehend all of them, so...

Either they deserve it or they don't. If you are willing to kill them, you better be able to say each and every single death is deserved. If they don't deserve to die, then they should not be killed. This isn't exactly complex.....

they'll simply find ways to work around your tactics, as they have for decades.

No, they won't; it's foolproof.

Either they deserve it or they don't. If you are willing to kill them, you better be able to say each and every single death is deserved. If they don't deserve to die, then they should not be killed.

Have you ever heard of the concept of collateral damage? Have you entertained the notion of a "greater good"? I am willing to sacrifice the drug addicts in order to cleanse our society of such undesireable elements and to stop any drug-related deaths in the future. In order to form a more perfect society, we need to purge druggies.

Not really. I doubt that many adults don't consume alcohol habitually, yet their performance is not negatively impacted by their drinking. As long as they don't show up at work while inebriated, that's fine. It also serves as a depressant which can actually help boost productivity by lowering stress. The same does not apply to drugs, which are addictive.

Wow, you have never drank before. And yes, there are many people who are habitually addicted to alchohol. Yes, addicted to alchohol. Half of my family, and a large portion of the people in my area are alchohol addicts. And I'm really wondering how a depressant lowers stress... it actually accentuates stresses in most.

And what of drugs? Mary J isn't addictive, for example, and when not on it your ability to work is just normal.

Cocaine can actually increase productivity, as it a stimulant.


No, you apprehend a drug dealer. Then, you poison his supply of drugs and force him to continue selling them. After his customer base has been eradicated, you arrest him. It would be quite difficult to arrest big-time drug lords, but that's not what I'm proposing. All you need is to catch more minor fish.

And where the hell do you think that dealers get their drugs? The god damn drug lords. Most dealers don't have a large stash. They work for drug lords. They are the middle man. And if a drug lord were to notice a sizable drop in demand from one dealer, it wouldn't be to difficult to figure out what is going on. And you know what happens when a dealer is showing signs of working against profit? Usually they end up in a river. Your system does not follow how the actual drug system works, at all. You seem to think that the dealers have the supply, where in actuality it is the lords whom supply the drugs to the dealers.

Also, it is easy to find new dealers, I'd like to add. It's easy, quick cash. The system would never be toppled simply by killing off dealers.

Have you ever heard of the concept of collateral damage? Have you entertained the notion of a "greater good"? I am willing to sacrifice the drug addicts in order to cleanse our society of such undesireable elements and to stop any drug-related deaths in the future. In order to form a more perfect society, we need to purge druggies.

Know what? I'd be willing to sacrifice you to save every last one of their lives. Your life is of little importance, and you likely will not make a dent even in your region of the world. Out of all the drug addicts out there, I'm sure one may do something good for society, whereas you would do nothing. Thus, the greater good is maintained.

And where the hell do you think that dealers get their drugs?

Obviously most dealers are not wholesale retailers. However, they buy drugs from the big-time sellers in bulk and then over-charge the small consumer for them. This necessitates that they purchase a sizeable quantity of drugs at a time. When we find one of these small fish, we poison their stock (all 100 servings of it, for example -- not 100 tons). This will lead to the death of 100 druggies. At that rate, society will be cleansed of this great evil in short order.

No, they won't; it's foolproof.

No, it is not. Seriously, learn something about what your talking about before you debate. And simply because you say it will work does not mean it will. There are many pitfalls in your plan, which render in moot and merely delusional to think this logical to put into place.

If you were to pison drug stocks, I would imagine that the local Humane Society would find that many nervous looking people now want a new dog or cat, and aren't too picky about the type of animal.
This is hearsay and all, but I heard that in a lot of touristy places in England (Exeter and London specifically), the police send out 100% pure heroin every once in a while to drug dealers (they know who they are, but they are also useful tools).

This kills off a whole load of junkie beggars once in a while. This is truly a sad thing.

Obviously most dealers are not wholesale retailers. However, they buy drugs from the big-time sellers in bulk and then over-charge the small consumer for them. This necessitates that they purchase a sizeable quantity of drugs at a time. When we find one of these small fish, we poison their stock (all 100 servings of it, for example -- not 100 tons). This will lead to the death of 100 druggies. At that rate, society will be cleansed of this great evil in short order.

Like I said, dealers are usually hired by lords. If a dealer is showing obvious deception, they will be gotten rid of, and replaced. They do not work for themselves, by and large. Also, lords keep very tight tabs on their dealers. If a dealer is picked up by a cop, and is returned quickly, it is suspicious, and the lord may very well get rid of said dealer and mere suspicion alone. They have very tight-nit organizations, MTAE.

Obviously most dealers are not wholesale retailers. However, they buy drugs from the big-time sellers in bulk and then over-charge the small consumer for them. This necessitates that they purchase a sizeable quantity of drugs at a time. When we find one of these small fish, we poison their stock (all 100 servings of it, for example -- not 100 tons). This will lead to the death of 100 druggies. At that rate, society will be cleansed of this great evil in short order.

Until the druggies start kidnapping people (policemen's and politician's family members for example) and start using them as guinea pigs.

there is no drug problem. it is just that your country has aq stupid war against them, and much of this black market may have originally unknown. the best solution for you would be to legalise all drugs. it worked for other countries.

there is no drug problem. it is just that your country has aq stupid war against them, and much of this black market may have originally unknown. the best solution for you would be to legalise all drugs. it worked for other countries.

All drugs are legal in Poland?

Until the druggies start kidnapping people (policemen's and politician's family members for example) and start using them as guinea pigs.

Exactly. The people at the root of the problem are criminals to begin with, and are very willing to commit any number of crimes to ensure business remains. They would have no problem with "coercive" tactics to make sure this doesn't happen.

Until the druggies start kidnapping people (policemen's and politician's family members for example) and start using them as guinea pigs.

They already commit a disproportionate amount of crime -- that's the whole point of trying to expunge them from our society. They will not be willing to further endanger their lives by kidnapping influential people. If they do, they will be arrested.

Exactly. The people at the root of the problem are criminals to begin with, and are very willing to commit any number of crimes to ensure business remains. They would have no problem with "coercive" tactics to make sure this doesn't happen.

A perfect example is the "no snitchin'" fad and the increased attacks/threats on judges.

you could just legalise them, no? That would solve some problems me thinks.

Have you ever heard of the concept of collateral damage?
That suggests "by accident"...
Have you entertained the notion of a "greater good"?
Killing people who have been driven to drug abuse by personal circumstances often beyond their control is not in the "greater good".
I am willing to sacrifice the drug addicts in order to cleanse our society of such undesireable elements and to stop any drug-related deaths in the future. In order to form a more perfect society, we need to purge druggies.
Or ensure that people get help with their problems, perhaps?

They already commit a disproportionate amount of crime -- that's the whole point of trying to expunge them from our society. They will not be willing to further endanger their lives by kidnapping influential people. If they do, they will be arrested.

LOL. This proves your ignorance. Most of the drug lords are far more than willing to threaten or otherwise against influential people. It's the very idea that they are more than willing to go through with such threats that keeps most influential people from all-out attacking thier business.

They already commit a disproportionate amount of crime -- that's the whole point of trying to expunge them from our society. They will not be willing to further endanger their lives by kidnapping influential people. If they do, they will be arrested.

BS. A criminal won't threaten someone else's life or family if those people are threatening theirs and their livelyhood? What fantasy world are you living in? Do you have any evidence of this or are you just "assuming" more facts based upon your personal anectdotes?

Ever heard of the witness protection program? I guess their lives aren't in danger then.

you could just legalise them, no? That would solve some problems me thinks.

It would solve many problems, and drive many drug lords out of business. The only real reason why they are making such a profit is because they are hard to get, and in high demand. If many drugs were legalized, it would likely kill the black market for them.

Also, MTAE, I would like to note that there are MANY drug users in our society, many of whom are very productive members of society. To kill them all off would cause a large strain on the economy.

Have you ever heard of the concept of collateral damage? Have you entertained the notion of a "greater good"? I am willing to sacrifice the drug addicts in order to cleanse our society of such undesireable elements and to stop any drug-related deaths in the future. In order to form a more perfect society, we need to purge druggies.

That sounds painfully familiar...

I'm sure this has been suggested already, but just in case it hasn't, here we go!

We sterilize and lobotomize the entire populace, EXCEPT MtaE. Then, he could be the God-King of the world. That would entirely eliminate crime, drug addiction, religion, war, poverty, disease, and so on.

Join the Means to an End fan club! Report to your local recruiting station for a free sterilization, lobotomy, and grab bag of goodies, including a book of MeanstoanEnds' best work, including:

Kill everyone!
Abortions are helping terrorism!
And so much more!


Gosh, where do I sign up?

That sounds painfully familiar...
Indeed.

MTAE - I know you might well only have utterly weedy bum-fluff growing on your face, but don't try and shape it into a toothbrush-style moustache-type thing, please.

Killing people who have been driven to drug abuse by personal circumstances often beyond their control is not in the "greater good".

They have not been driven to purchasing and using drugs by "circumstance." They did so because of a conscious decision to "forget their problems" or "enjoy the buzz." They chose to value this more than being productive members of society; it was their own ineptitude and idiocy which drove them to their decision, and no one else's. Our society is founded on personal freedom; along with this comes personal responsibility.

They have not been driven to purchasing and using drugs by "circumstance." They did so because of a conscious decision to "forget their problems" or "enjoy the buzz." They chose to value this more than being productive members of society; it was their own ineptitude and idiocy which drove them to their decision, and no one else's. Our society is founded on personal freedom; along with this comes personal responsibility.

Wait, wouldn't killing drug addicts lower our population and give the terrorist Islamist factions even more of a population advantage?

I say we put fertility hormones in drugs to out breed the terrorists.

They have not been driven to purchasing and using drugs by "circumstance." They did so because of a conscious decision to "forget their problems" or "enjoy the buzz." They chose to value this more than being productive members of society; it was their own ineptitude and idiocy which drove them to their decision, and no one else's. Our society is founded on personal freedom; along with this comes personal responsibility.

And many are productive members of society, holding a job. You seem to automatically assume that:

Drug user=Drug addict
Drug Addict=jobless/homeless/strain on society.

Also, as I said before, the exact same can be said for alchohol consumption. If you truly do not believe that there are those addicted to alchohol, then you are as ignorant as ignorant can be. Also, you seem to want to shape the world so that people are autonomous robots whose only purpose is to make money, eat, and sleep.

Have you ever heard of the concept of collateral damage? Have you entertained the notion of a "greater good"? I am willing to sacrifice the drug addicts in order to cleanse our society of such undesireable elements and to stop any drug-related deaths in the future. In order to form a more perfect society, we need to purge druggies.
That sounds painfully familiar...
I tend to agree. MTAE, this seems a little "sieg heil"-ish, even for you.

Wait, wouldn't killing drug addicts lower our population and give the terrorist Islamist factions even more of a population advantage?

I say we put fertility hormones in drugs to out breed the terrorists.

Touche' on bringing up past proposals by MTAE to refute him. He seems to contradict himself often.

They have not been driven to purchasing and using drugs by "circumstance." They did so because of a conscious decision to "forget their problems" or "enjoy the buzz." They chose to value this more than being productive members of society; it was their own ineptitude and idiocy which drove them to their decision, and no one else's. Our society is founded on personal freedom; along with this comes personal responsibility.

Responsibility for what? Their own lives. Drugs are illegal because of drives by primarily religious based movements. If they are legalized, there wouldn't be a crime committed just for recreational use and people who abuse them can be made accountable for their actions by the employers. If they are put out of work for drug use, it would be more efficient to put them in mandatory treatment programs or else deny them benefits.

Trilby63;11910541']Someone really should tell MTaE that this is NS general and as such role-play is not needed.

*stares at Laerod*Did I manage to pick up a reputation there without noticing? :D

Nah, MTAE doesn't listen, there's no point in pointing it out (apart from the first five letters in "pointing").

And many are productive members of society, holding a job. You seem to automatically assume that:

Drug user=Drug addict
Drug Addict=jobless/homeless/strain on society.

Also, as I said before, the exact same can be said for alchohol consumption. If you truly do not believe that there are those addicted to alchohol, then you are as ignorant as ignorant can be. Also, you seem to want to shape the world so that people are autonomous robots whose only purpose is to make money, eat, and sleep.

Which is why he should really consider lobotomies for everyone. All the sweeping changes he wants with a simple snip of the lobes!

That sounds painfully familiar...

What do you mean? Did some politician suggest something like that? Did Bush?

What do you mean? Did some politician suggest something like that? Did Bush?

YAY!!! It's time for dodgeball.

What do you mean? Did some politician suggest something like that? Did Bush?

Hitler used those pretty much those exact same words that are bolded for his reasoning.

Touche' on bringing up past proposals by MTAE to refute him. He seems to contradict himself often.

We cannot outbreed the Islamo-fascists by increasing our population of druggies -- they are worthless to society, and also are involved in crimes which waste our funds and kill more productive members of society.

Touche' on bringing up past proposals by MTAE to refute him. He seems to contradict himself often.

Thank you!

Trolls do that. (Contradict themselves, that is)

Maybe he could also consider post-hypnotic suggestion for terrorists so they go back to their cell/hideout and oust their buddies!

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Maybe I should start trolling. ;)

What do you mean? Did some politician suggest something like that? Did Bush?

Think a little more.... extreme. Oh and Austrian.

They have not been driven to purchasing and using drugs by "circumstance." They did so because of a conscious decision to "forget their problems" or "enjoy the buzz."
Excellent way to contradict yourself there, you gimp.

If people are stressed out and/or bored, sometimes they'll take drugs. And that certainly isdue to their circumstances.
They chose to value this more than being productive members of society
Plenty of very productive members of society take a great deal of drugs to keep them awake, to keep stress away for a while, or to improve their concentration.

You can't remain productive if you're bored or tired. So you need to remedy that. Enter drugs.
it was their own ineptitude and idiocy which drove them to their decision, and no one else's.
Again, untrue. They might have had severe problems at home, or they might be mourning a relative and need a pick-me-up.

Not really their fault...
Our society is founded on personal freedom; along with this comes personal responsibility.
Abso-fucking-lute rubbish.

If a company has to axe 4,000 jobs, and it's on a lottery, and there are no other jobs around, why the hell is that your fault if you lose your job?

Because that kind of thing does occur, and when people are put in such circumstances, they will cheer themselves up. If they are into alcohol, alcohol it is, smoking, cigarettes, weed, weed. Whatever floats their boat.

And is that really their fault?

Hitler used those pretty much those exact same words that are bolded for his reasoning.

3:28 PM, November 6, 2006: Godwin's Law has been invoked.

We cannot outbreed the Islamo-fascists by increasing our population of druggies -- they are worthless to society, and also are involved in crimes which waste our funds and kill more productive members of society.
Yes, the men in white coats are on their way now.

You'll be safe soon ;)

We cannot outbreed the Islamo-fascists by increasing our population of druggies -- they are worthless to society, and also are involved in crimes which waste our funds and kill more productive members of society.

Two points.

First, not all people who use drugs are worthless to society. Even Mein Fuhrer Bush used cocaine in his early years.

Also, many of the violent crimes associated with drugs are caused by the very fact that drugs are illegal. If something is illegal to do, there will always be a black market for that service, and there will always be those who are willing to reap massive profits from a high demand and a low supply.

And is that really their fault?

Yes. It is they who make the conscious decision to use drugs -- no one else's. They are not coerced into taking them and they should accept full responsibility for their own personal choice.

3:28 PM, November 6, 2006: Godwin's Law has been invoked.

Technically speaking, it was invoked before I said that, as I was clarifying the meaning behind what was said.

Drugs are becoming increasingly prevalent in our society, and there is a booming black market trade in illegal narcotics. We have attempted to declare "war" on drugs, but to no avail; our campaigns to stop drug trafficking have been ineffectual so far. Because of drugs, the very fibre of our society is being torn to shreds; drug-related crimes are increasing and workforce productivity is decreasing -- drugs have an extremely detrimental effect on our economy. Thus, I propose we deal with the matter immediately and ruthlessly.

First, we'll create special police squads whose purpose is to sell drugs. They will sell their wares at low prices so as to maximize the amount of customers which they attract. After they gain sufficient street credentials, they add deadly poison to their drugs to kill the end user. Also, when they arrest a drug lord, they should forcibly poison his drugs, too, and sell them as if nothing was wrong. Eventually, the number of addicts would drastically decrease due to their death, and a new generation of drug consumers will be deterred because of fear of death. It's an easy, inexpensive, and very practical solution.

I am absolutely lost for words on the sheer lack of compassion, decency, and respect for human life shown here. I can't even debate your point, because I'm absolutely seething with rage at your holier-than-thou attitude and your desire to exterminate thousands of innocent people, who through unfortunate circumstances have found themselves in a very difficult situation.

These people need compassion, not to be victimised by fucktards like you.

Death. Such an uncreative solution.

If you are going to spike drug supplies, let's at least get some entertainment out of it. :)

we put random chemicals into the drugs. Some batches make people pee red, thus freaking them out and sending them screaming to their doctors. other batches can be spiked with megadoses of viagra and anti-depressants that make it impossible to orgasm. We can put in sterility drugs. Or long-lasting laxatives that make people poop uncontrollably for several days. We can even develop new drugs. for instance, I bet we could make a drug that turned people's hair or skin funny colors. Or make people develop odd odors.

The possibilities are endless. :)

3:28 PM, November 6, 2006: Godwin's Law has been invoked.Godwin's Law only works when comparing things unlike Nazis/Hitler to Nazis/Hitler in an effort to silence someone by painting them the darkest color of brown possible.
Talking about "purging" and believing Godwin's law will protect you from comparisons to other people that talked about it is a foolish assumption.

What do you mean? Did some politician suggest something like that? Did Bush?

Reminded me more of this:

We the People of the United states, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Oh, and we're going to poison all illegal drugs, too.

First, not all people who use drugs are worthless to society. Even Mein Fuhrer Bush used cocaine in his early years.

He would not have done so if he realized that it could kill him. The status of many people is degraded due to their use of drugs, although it is not altogether obliterated. They may still be productive, just not as productive.

Yes. It is they who make the conscious decision to use drugs -- no one else's. They are not coerced into taking them and they should accept full responsibility for their own personal choice.
It's not really a conscious decision when you're so in the doldrums of depression from being laid off from work that you need drugs or you're going to kill yourself, now, is it?

We cannot outbreed the Islamo-fascists by increasing our population of druggies -- they are worthless to society, and also are involved in crimes which waste our funds and kill more productive members of society.

Yeah, all druggies are worthless. That's why Jules Vern, Charles Dickens, George Washington, Vincent Van Gogh,Robert Louis Stevenson, Sir Walter Scott, Edgar Allen Poe, Bela Lugosi, Ken Kesey, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant, Sigmund Freud, Arthur Conan Doyle, Lewis Carrol, and Elizabeth Barrett Browning to name a few never contributed anything to society. They should have all been killed.

Yes. It is they who make the conscious decision to use drugs -- no one else's. They are not coerced into taking them and they should accept full responsibility for their own personal choice.You'd be surprised...

Death. Such an uncreative solution.

If you are going to spike drug supplies, let's at least get some entertainment out of it. :)

we put random chemicals into the drugs. Some batches make people pee red, thus freaking them out and sending them screaming to their doctors. other batches can be spiked with megadoses of viagra and anti-depressants that make it impossible to orgasm. We can put in sterility drugs. Or long-lasting laxatives that make people poop uncontrollably for several days. We can even develop new drugs. for instance, I bet we could make a drug that turned people's hair or skin funny colors. Or make people develop odd odors.

The possibilities are endless. :)

Brilliant! As for the skin one, that's easy. High levels of Kerotine(The chemical that makes carrots orange) can turn the skin orange. I'm sure there are other ones that can turn skin other colors.

We cannot outbreed the Islamo-fascists by increasing our population of druggies -- they are worthless to society, and also are involved in crimes which waste our funds and kill more productive members of society.

You're not thinking in a grand enough scale. Use druggies to increase the population on drug farms. When our little farmies as I would like to call them exceed the Islamist population by 3-1, start putting drugs in their state provided food that make them susceptible to suggestion.

THEN you generally put the farmie population into controlled hybernation inside big processing domes (we'll call them farmie domes!).

The goal of the farmie dome will be to reprogram the former drug addicts (perhaps conditioning A Clockwork Orange style) into lethal killing machines. Owing everything to the state (as they were raised on the farms and are totally addicted to whatever we decide to give them) they'll quickly become letal shock troops against the Islamic state of your choice, and will be 100% loyal to the US, since we've got our synthetic hyper-addictive drug they can't live without.

Once victory is achieved, we turn the farmie domes into gladiatoral arenas and have them fight to the death on Pay-per-view.

Not only does this increase the number of jobs in America, it rids us of both terrorists, and in the long run, drug addicts. This will stimulate the economy, and since no one will have a concept of art or history, they'll be totally dependent on state TV programming for entertainment, and we can do it as many times as we need to because there's no concept of history.

You, my friend, need to look at the bigger picture.

Yeah, all druggies are worthless. That's why Jules Vern, Charles Dickens, George Washington, Vincent Van Gogh,Robert Louis Stevenson, Sir Walter Scott, Edgar Allen Poe, Bela Lugosi, Ken Kesey, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant, Sigmund Freud, Arthur Conan Doyle, Lewis Carrol, and Elizabeth Barrett Browning to name a few never contributed anything to society. They should have all been killed.Considering that this is MTAE you're talking to, I'm pretty sure he thinks most of those didn't contribute as they aren't part of the worker drone labor force...

He would not have done so if he realized that it could kill him. The status of many people is degraded due to their use of drugs, although it is not altogether obliterated. They may still be productive, just not as productive.

Oh, so there's an exception for your idol. Gotchya. For people you agree with, there can be exceptions to the rule, but when it's someone you may disagree with, KILL EM ALL!

He would not have done so if he realized that it could kill him.
Bullshit. I'm sure he knew the risks, and weighed them up against the benefits of utter bliss for a few hours of his life.

It's not really a conscious decision when you're so in the doldrums of depression from being laid off from work that you need drugs or you're going to kill yourself, now, is it?

Sure it is. Depression does not completely do away with your ability to think rationally. Nonetheless, you would immediately cease taking drugs upon learning that you may die from a poised batch if you had so much as an iota of logic left.

Brilliant! As for the skin one, that's easy. High levels of Kerotine(The chemical that makes carrots orange) can turn the skin orange. I'm sure there are other ones that can turn skin other colors.

And then we could enslave the ones who turn up with these interesting and humorous effects. I like it. It would be a way of color-coding the slaves:


Green: Marijuana smoker
Orange: Coke fiend
Yellow: Meth user
Blue: Heroin user


Brilliant!

Sure it is. Depression does not completely do away with your ability to think rationally. Nonetheless, you would immediately cease taking drugs upon learning that you may die from a poised batch if you had so much as an iota of logic left.

Considering addiction is a condition founded on logic, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Sure it is. Depression does not completely do away with your ability to think rationally. Nonetheless, you would immediately cease taking drugs upon learning that you may die from a poised batch if you had so much as an iota of logic left.
Have you ever been really, really depressed, because I can bet that you haven't. You seem like a spoilt rich kid, with an astonishingly bigoted (Look! I got the spelling right, and everything!) upbringing.

Because I have been really, horrifically in the dumps before and I tell you now - you will do absolutely anything to get out of it.

Sure it is. Depression does not completely do away with your ability to think rationally. Nonetheless, you would immediately cease taking drugs upon learning that you may die from a poised batch if you had so much as an iota of logic left.I'm beginning to wonder how you know all this. Do you have experience in taking drugs?

Sure it is. Depression does not completely do away with your ability to think rationally. Nonetheless, you would immediately cease taking drugs upon learning that you may die from a poised batch if you had so much as an iota of logic left.

You are a god damn idiot. Period. Depression does do away with your ability to think rationally, jackass. Otherwise, I myself wouldn't have tried fucking killing myself a few years back. You are one hell of an idiot, a troll, a jackass, and bastard all rolled into one.

And no you wouldn't. Meth, for instance, is extremely dangerous to take, but people do it anyway. Why? Because they are addicted.

I'm beginning to wonder how you know all this. Do you have experience in taking drugs?
No he clearly does not. At all.

so let me make sure i understand it, once everything is broken down to its logical reduction.

You support the murder of anyone who does not meet your definition of productivity?

I'm beginning to wonder how you know all this. Do you have experience in taking drugs?

Of course not. I am a fully productive member of society and I would never do anything to endanger society for the joy of a few hours of bliss.

Have you ever been really, really depressed, because I can bet that you haven't. You seem like a spoilt rich kid, with an astonishingly bigoted (Look! I got the spelling right, and everything!) upbringing.

Because I have been really, horrifically in the dumps before and I tell you now - you will do absolutely anything to get out of it.

Which makes you unproductive and therefore a drain on society, therefore deserving death. In this post-9/11 world we cannot waste time coddling you because of your "depression" and "psychological needs." You have to step up and help defend our nation and culture against the Islamofascists who have declared war against it. Please, go back and read MTAE's prior threads. Before it's too late! Think of the children!

so let me make sure i understand it, once everything is broken down to its logical reduction.

You support the murder of anyone who does not meet your definition of productivity?
Or who is poor (for which there is no excuse, because you can become a millionaire on a minimum wage), but to counterbalance this, there'll be no abortion, otherwise the islamofascists win.

Or that's his viewpoint this week.

You're not thinking in a grand enough scale. Use druggies to increase the population on drug farms. When our little farmies as I would like to call them exceed the Islamist population by 3-1, start putting drugs in their state provided food that make them susceptible to suggestion.

THEN you generally put the farmie population into controlled hybernation inside big processing domes (we'll call them farmie domes!).

The goal of the farmie dome will be to reprogram the former drug addicts (perhaps conditioning A Clockwork Orange style) into lethal killing machines. Owing everything to the state (as they were raised on the farms and are totally addicted to whatever we decide to give them) they'll quickly become letal shock troops against the Islamic state of your choice, and will be 100% loyal to the US, since we've got our synthetic hyper-addictive drug they can't live without.

Once victory is achieved, we turn the farmie domes into gladiatoral arenas and have them fight to the death on Pay-per-view.

Not only does this increase the number of jobs in America, it rids us of both terrorists, and in the long run, drug addicts. This will stimulate the economy, and since no one will have a concept of art or history, they'll be totally dependent on state TV programming for entertainment, and we can do it as many times as we need to because there's no concept of history.

You, my friend, need to look at the bigger picture.

As someone recovering from an appendectomy, I have to say that it hurts to laugh, so it took me 5 minutes to read this post.

You have won this thread. No more need be said.

Meth, for instance, is extremely dangerous to take, but people do it anyway. Why? Because they are addicted.

They are not addicted from the time they are born. There is always the first time they take it, prior to becoming addicted. Once they are addicted to a drug, they are too far gone to be productive to society in most cases. We need to stop the problem at its root, before it spreads.

Of course not. I am a fully productive member of society and I would never do anything to endanger society for the joy of a few hours of bliss.
So you don't know what the fuck you're on about, then.

You are a god damn idiot. Period. Depression does do away with your ability to think rationally, jackass. Otherwise, I myself wouldn't have tried fucking killing myself a few years back. You are one hell of an idiot, a troll, a jackass, and bastard all rolled into one.

And no you wouldn't. Meth, for instance, is extremely dangerous to take, but people do it anyway. Why? Because they are addicted.

Easy, easy. Don't fall into the Troll Trap.

They are not addicted from the time they are born. There is always the first time they take it, prior to becoming addicted. Once they are addicted to a drug, they are too far gone to be productive to society in most cases. We need to stop the problem at its root, before it spreads.Never heard of dealers giving people a fix simply to get them addicted, have you?

Or who is poor (for which there is no excuse, because you can become a millionaire on a minimum wage), but to counterbalance this, there'll be no abortion, otherwise the islamofascists win.

Or that's his viewpoint this week.

No, the poor become slaves.

They are not addicted from the time they are born. There is always the first time they take it, prior to becoming addicted. Once they are addicted to a drug, they are too far gone to be productive to society in most cases. We need to stop the problem at its root, before it spreads.
*sighs*

Let's assume that there are people who are, by their nature, very depressed at times (like me in Winter, for example).

Do you shoot them, just to make sure?

Of course not. I am a fully productive member of society and I would never do anything to endanger society for the joy of a few hours of bliss.Then you have no authority on the issue of how addicts think, goodbye. :)

Easy, easy. Don't fall into the Troll Trap.

Sorry, he hit a personal string with me. Got the best of me. He is a fucking troll, it is clear.

Never heard of dealers giving people a fix simply to get them addicted, have you?
The first one's on me, boyo!

As someone recovering from an appendectomy, I have to say that it hurts to laugh, so it took me 5 minutes to read this post.

You have won this thread. No more need be said.

Thank you!

I hope your recovery is going smoothly and that I haven't set you back too much ;)

Sorry, he hit a personal string with me. Got the best of me. He is a fucking troll, it is clear.

We're over 100 posts, folks. I move we retire this one.

This whole massively vague concept of "productive" or "unproductive" etc.. to society is worrying me.

It means nothing, it's wishy washy bullshit. Who are you to say that the fortune teller in the fair is "contributing to society", and if she isn't does that mean she deserves death?

Where do people find this fallacy of: "if you don't contribute to society, you deserve death".

And why do people assume that drug users or addicts do not contribute to society?

Never heard of dealers giving people a fix simply to get them addicted, have you?

The users make the conscious decision to experiment with the product prior to being addicted. While dealers may offer you some free drugs, you must say "no." Haven't you learned anything from elementary school? Also, don't get into cars with strangers, even if they offer you candy.

We're over 100 posts, folks. I move we retire this one.
No, let's have him say something really, really stupid we can bring up in every 'debate' he ever starts again.

No, the poor become slaves.

And don't forget the stupid. They're slaves too.

He is a fucking troll, it is clear.

That he is. This thread is an utter waste of electrons. Closed.

They are not addicted from the time they are born. There is always the first time they take it, prior to becoming addicted. Once they are addicted to a drug, they are too far gone to be productive to society in most cases. We need to stop the problem at its root, before it spreads.

What about the case of a crack baby, who is already addicted at birth?

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You still haven't said anything about my Farmie Dome idea. Think of the MERCHANDISING!