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And here's the editorial on Rumsfeld...

PsychoticDan
06-11-2006, 19:07
I posted a thread that said the Military Times was going to post an editorial asking for Rumsfeld to be canned. Here's the actual editorial.

Editorial
Time for Rumsfeld to go


http://www.armytimes.com/content/editorial/editart/110406rumsfeld.JPG

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld —

“So long as our government requires the backing of an aroused and informed public opinion ... it is necessary to tell the hard bruising truth.”


That statement was written by Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent Marguerite Higgins more than a half-century ago during the Korean War.

But until recently, the “hard bruising” truth about the Iraq war has been difficult to come by from leaders in Washington.

One rosy reassurance after another has been handed down by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: “mission accomplished,” the insurgency is “in its last throes,” and “back off,” we know what we’re doing, are a few choice examples.

Military leaders generally toed the line, although a few retired generals eventually spoke out from the safety of the sidelines, inciting criticism equally from anti-war types, who thought they should have spoken out while still in uniform, and pro-war foes, who thought the generals should have kept their critiques behind closed doors.

Now, however, a new chorus of criticism is beginning to resonate. Active-duty military leaders are starting to voice misgivings about the war’s planning, execution and dimming prospects for success.

Army Gen. John Abizaid, chief of U.S. Central Command, told a Senate Armed Services Committee in September: “I believe that the sectarian violence is probably as bad as I’ve seen it ... and that if not stopped, it is possible that Iraq could move towards civil war.”

Last week, someone leaked to The New York Times a Central Command briefing slide showing an assessment that the civil conflict in Iraq now borders on “critical” and has been sliding toward “chaos” for most of the past year. The strategy in Iraq has been to train an Iraqi army and police force that could gradually take over for U.S. troops in providing for the security of their new government and their nation.


But despite the best efforts of American trainers, the problem of molding a viciously sectarian population into anything resembling a force for national unity has become a losing proposition.

For two years, American sergeants, captains and majors training the Iraqis have told their bosses that Iraqi troops have no sense of national identity, are only in it for the money, don’t show up for duty and cannot sustain themselves.

Meanwhile, colonels and generals have asked their bosses for more troops. Service chiefs have asked for more money.

And all along, Rumsfeld has assured us that things are well in hand.

Now, the president says he’ll stick with Rumsfeld for the balance of his term in the White House.

This is a mistake. It is one thing for the majority of Americans to think Rumsfeld has failed. But when the nation’s current military leaders start to break publicly with their defense secretary, then it is clear that he is losing control of the institution he ostensibly leads.

These officers have been loyal public promoters of a war policy many privately feared would fail. They have kept their counsel private, adhering to more than two centuries of American tradition of subordination of the military to civilian authority.

And although that tradition, and the officers’ deep sense of honor, prevent them from saying this publicly, more and more of them believe it.

Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the troops who bear its brunt.

This is not about the midterm elections. Regardless of which party wins Nov. 7, the time has come, Mr. President, to face the hard bruising truth:

Donald Rumsfeld must go.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php
Greater Trostia
06-11-2006, 19:13
Chances he will go? I'd say, hmm... 0%.
Lunatic Goofballs
06-11-2006, 19:21
Chances he will go? I'd say, hmm... 0%.

I give it 20%. I think that the biggest reason W. hasn't fired him is because people want him to. Somehow he thinks that replacing Rumsfeld with someone competent will remind people he picked someone incompetent to do the job. Which is ridiculous. we figured out long ago that most bush appointees were incompetent. :p
Khadgar
06-11-2006, 19:21
Rummy isn't going anywhere.
Congo--Kinshasa
06-11-2006, 19:25
We figured out long ago that most bush appointees were incompetent. :p

Most? :confused:
Ice Hockey Players
06-11-2006, 19:26
Rummy isn't going anywhere.

Nope. And when Jeb wins in 2008, he'll probably put most of the same people in office. Except Condi, who will sneak off and screw her lover Dubya silly.

Nah. All the Dems have to do is get their act together and Rummy's as good as history in 2008. Not that he will resign...even if he was caught on film killing a Baltic hooker and eating a baby for dinner, Dubya would still insist he was doing a fantastic job...
PsychoticDan
06-11-2006, 19:27
I give it 20%. I think that the biggest reason W. hasn't fired him is because people want him to. Somehow he thinks that replacing Rumsfeld with someone competent will remind people he picked someone incompetent to do the job. Which is ridiculous. we figured out long ago that most bush appointees were incompetent. :p

Sadly I think that's the absolute truth. Decisions are being made now based on the fact that this administartion doesn't want to admit it was wrong. The only reason Rumsfeld is still SOD is because Bush doesn't want to stand up in front of the cameras and admit that he picked an incompetent boob for purely egotistical reasons.
Lunatic Goofballs
06-11-2006, 19:30
Most? :confused:

Unfortunately, Karl Rove is pretty competent. :(
Farnhamia
06-11-2006, 19:33
Haven't you guys been reading MTAE's threads? George W. Bush is the most brilliant political theorist to ever occupy the Oval Office, and his selections for Cabinet-level positions cannot be questioned. Especially Rumsfeld, who is not only a superior strategist and tactician, he's an existentialist poet of Nobel caliber (assuming it wasn't beneath his dignity to accept an award from the leftist Swedes ... though Nobel did invent dynamite, so maybe ...).
Congo--Kinshasa
06-11-2006, 19:34
Unfortunately, Karl Rove is pretty competent. :(

True. :(
Pax dei
06-11-2006, 19:47
Some using wiki better not look up Donald Rumsfeld.;)
Unabashed Greed
06-11-2006, 19:57
Cue MtaE crashing this thread and bitching about how the military hates its own troops in 5, 4, 3.....
Desperate Measures
06-11-2006, 20:33
Cue MtaE crashing this thread and bitching about how the military hates its own troops in 5, 4, 3.....

It'll probably be more along the lines that the military is too stupid to have an informed opinion.
PsychoticDan
06-11-2006, 20:36
Rummy isn't going anywhere.

Maybe not, but a Dem controlled Congress can make Rummy and Bush extremely uncomfortable. Add to that the growing chorus of conservative voices calling for his resignation and he may be forced out. I hope.
Rhaomi
06-11-2006, 21:20
Unfortunately, Karl Rove is pretty competent. :(
I'm thinking more like "amoral" and "Machiavellian".

It'll probably be more along the lines that the military is too stupid to have an informed opinion.
Plus a side of "Kerry is such an anti-American troop-bashing moron"... :rolleyes:
East of Eden is Nod
06-11-2006, 21:23
Unfortunately, Karl Rove is pretty competent. :(Who?
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Ice Hockey Players
06-11-2006, 21:45
I'm thinking more like "amoral" and "Machiavellian".

Doesn't make him incompetent. In fact, in this case, it makes him uber-competent. Sadly, his best work is making the other Bushies, who are incompetent, appear competent.
CanuckHeaven
06-11-2006, 22:32
Unfortunately, Karl Rove is pretty competent. :(
Yeah, unfortunate indeed, because his competence is in protecting those who are incompetent. :(

Note to Ice Hockey Players: I swear I wrote my post before checking your post on page two. :D
Rakiya
07-11-2006, 04:05
I posted a thread that said the Military Times was going to post an editorial asking for Rumsfeld to be canned. Here's the actual editorial.

So, why is this editorial more or less relevant than any other news paper editorial?

Is it the mere fact that they are marketed to military people really that important? Don't get me wrong. I think that Rumsfeld should go too. But, its still just another newspaper owned by Gannett...ran and editorialized by newsman/newswomen.

In my opinion, these opinions have no more weight than either the Washington Post or the Washington Times.
Lunatic Goofballs
07-11-2006, 05:17
I'm thinking more like "amoral" and "Machiavellian".


Yeah, but he's good at it. :p
Lunatic Goofballs
07-11-2006, 05:19
Who?
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He's the political equivalent of a WWE pro wrestlng manager. :)