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Administration gags terrorists

Brickistan
04-11-2006, 23:54
From CNN ( http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/04/terrorism.detainees.ap/index.html):

WASHINGTON (AP) – A suspected terrorist who spent years in a secret CIA prison should not be allowed to speak to a civilian attorney, the Bush administration argues, because he could reveal the agency's closely guarded interrogation techniques.
Human rights groups have questioned the CIA's methods for questioning suspects, especially following the passage of a bill last month that authorized the use of harsh -- but undefined -- interrogation tactics.
In recently filed court documents, the Justice Department said those methods, along with the locations of the CIA's network of prisons, are among the nation's most sensitive secrets. Prisoners who spent time in those prisons should not be allowed to disclose that information, even to a lawyer, the government said.
"Improper disclosure of other operational details, such as interrogation methods, could also enable terrorist organizations and operatives to adapt their training to counter such methods, thereby obstructing the CIA's ability to obtain vital intelligence that could disrupt future planned terrorist attacks," the Justice Department wrote.
The documents, which were first reported by The Washington Post, were filed in opposition to a request that terror suspect Majid Khan should be given access to an attorney. Khan, 26, immigrated from Pakistan and graduated high school in Maryland.
According to documents filed on his behalf by the Center for Constitutional Rights, Khan was arrested in Pakistan in 2003. During more than three years in CIA custody, Khan was subjected to interrogation techniques that defense attorneys suggest amounted to torture.
President Bush acknowledged the existence of the CIA system in September and transferred Khan and 13 other prisoners designated as "terrorist leaders" to the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Under a law passed last month, they are to be tried before special military commissions and may not have access to civilian courts.
The Center for Constitutional Rights is among several advocacy groups challenging that law. They say the Constitution guarantees prisoners a right to challenge their detention.
The Justice Department argues that civilian courts no longer have jurisdiction to intervene in the case. They say keeping details about the CIA program secret is essential because national security is at stake.
"Information obtained through the program has provided the United States with one of the most useful tools in combating terrorist threats to the national security," the government argued in court documents.
"It has shed light on probable targets and likely methods for attacks on the United States, has led to the disruption of terrorist plots against the United States and its allies, and has gathered information that has played a role in the capture and questioning of senior al Qaeda operatives," it said.
Gitanjali S. Gutierrez, an attorney with the Center for Constitutional Rights, responded in court documents Friday that there is no evidence Khan has classified information. Gutierrez accused the administration of using national secrecy concerns to "conceal illegal or embarrassing executive conduct."

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton has not indicated when he will rule.


It’s actually really cleaver: “if you’ve been captured by us you may not have a lawyer – because you might tell him what’s going on – and we can’t have the whole world knowing that we’re torturing you, can we?”.

Am I the only one concerned about this? What’s so secret about these prisons and the interrogation techniques that they need to be kept quiet? I’ve got a good hunch that it’s not your good old good cop / bad cop routine.


And before anyone screams “die terrorist sympathizer”, I would just like to point out that I do not, in any way, support terror. But I do support the notion of basic human rights…
Minaris
04-11-2006, 23:57
it’s not your good old good cop / bad cop routine.


Used to be, but they had a budget cut...
Pyotr
04-11-2006, 23:58
It’s actually really cleaver: “if you’ve been captured by us you may not have a lawyer – because you might tell him what’s going on – and we can’t have the whole world knowing that we’re torturing you, can we?”.

Am I the only one concerned about this? What’s so secret about these prisons and the interrogation techniques that they need to be kept quiet? I’ve got a good hunch that it’s not your good old good cop / bad cop routine.


And before anyone screams “die terrorist sympathizer”, I would just like to point out that I do not, in any way, support terror. But I do support the notion of basic human rights…

It is somewhat scary, it seems that the government is using National Security as a shield to ward of attempts to discover what they're doing. "I'm not allowed to say that, doing so would pose a threat to national security"
Nevered
05-11-2006, 00:00
The terrorists are bad because they wish to deny us our freedoms (as some people argue)

So when the Bush admin. denies people civil rights (like the right to defend yourself in court, or the right to meet with a lawyer as part of the legal process), what does that mean about the Bush Admin?
CanuckHeaven
05-11-2006, 00:02
Ummmm, I think someone already started a thread on this topic. Mind you, it does have a somewhat different focus:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505788

:D
Pyotr
05-11-2006, 00:05
The terrorists are bad because they wish to deny us our freedoms (as some people argue)

So when the Bush admin. denies people civil rights (like the right to defend yourself in court, or the right to meet with a lawyer as part of the legal process), what does that mean about the Bush Admin?

It doesn't mean they're terrorists if thats what your insinuating(Sp?). Terrorism is more about the means that are taken to accomplish an objective than the objective itself.
Acquicic
05-11-2006, 00:12
It doesn't mean they're terrorists if thats what your insinuating(Sp?). Terrorism is more about the means that are taken to accomplish an objective than the objective itself.

It's probably more accurate, in that case, to say that the goals of the terrorists and the goals of the Bush administration are the same, even if their methods are not.
Pyotr
05-11-2006, 00:17
It's probably more accurate, in that case, to say that the goals of the terrorists and the goals of the Bush administration are the same, even if their methods are not.

Yes, although I would argue that they aren't and please don't label me a bush sympathizer or a troll, I don't approve of the Bush Administration, I just think drawing comparisons between him and certain terrorist groups(which I am assuming are the jihadist types such as Al-Qaeda) is a little extreme.
Acquicic
05-11-2006, 00:43
Yes, although I would argue that they aren't and please don't label me a bush sympathizer or a troll, I don't approve of the Bush Administration, I just think drawing comparisons between him and certain terrorist groups(which I am assuming are the jihadist types such as Al-Qaeda) is a little extreme.

Well, for me, a power-hungry, totalitarian arsehole is a power-hungry, totalitarian arsehole is a power-hungry, totalitarian asshole, whether it be Caligula, Louis XIV, Stalin, Hitler, Kim, Ayatollah Whoeverisinchargenow, or George "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just as long as I'm the dictator" Bush.

Why do they all hate our (i.e., humanity's) freedom?