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I recently came across the following site, which proposed a concept which I found quite intriguing.

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.htm

Namely, the site advocates a political union between the US and Canada. To me, it seems to be an excellent idea for economic, social, and political reasons. How do you feel about it?

Only if it means Canada annexing the US rather than the other way around, that the United North America recognises the Queen as its head of state and that it adopts Canadian laws.

The Canadians would hate it.

They wear flags to show that they're not Americans on holiday. Imagine if they were forced to merge.

They'd rather not, methinks.

I think that I've read that book before. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Probe%21)

if Australia and New Zealand did it there be a lot of unhappy people

And everyone knows that there is only one way the two Dakotas would join together without fighting...

I recently came across the following site, which proposed a concept which I found quite intriguing.

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.htm

Namely, the site advocates a political union between the US and Canada. To me, it seems to be an excellent idea for economic, social, and political reasons. How do you feel about it?
Sorry Charlie.....too many problems in the US, and really not much desire by Canadians for such a proposal.

Most Oppose Can-Am Union Because of Different Values While Large Minority Believes U.S. Would Want Union (http://www.queensu.ca/cora/polls/2003/January27-FinancialPost-Business_Support_for_CanadaUS_Union.pdf)

Fine by me, there'd be 30 million more liberals to vote in the US elections, and that would tip the US WAY to the left.

I could definitely see Canada annexing America. Mexico too.

Fine by me, there'd be 30 million more liberals to vote in the US elections, and that would tip the US WAY to the left.

Except there'd be no US elections. The USians would vote in the Canadian elections.

we'd get so many votes we could straigthen them out.... lets do it, then split again.

we'd get so many votes we could straigthen them out.... lets do it, then split again.

Good luck! :D

Wow you want the Queen as your head of state MTAE? who would have thought it....

that would be terrible for canada.

That would be rather awkward...

I for one welcome the new state of Canadia and ponder what strange national foods will appear with the cross of the maple and the cow….possibly maple milk or quarter stoner

...Central America is in North America as well...

...Central America is in North America as well...

Though the U.S. and Cuba don't get along much... Canada and Cuba get along fine on the other hand..!

Though the U.S. and Cuba don't get along much... Canada and Cuba get along fine on the other hand..!

most people get along with cuba. even the ira!

Though the U.S. and Cuba don't get along much... Canada and Cuba get along fine on the other hand..!

Cuba will become Canamericada's Texas!

If you think Iraqi resistance is hard to deal with, just wait until you see the Canadians...

Hah. Yeah, how about no.

I'll keep my country with its lack of a death penalty, allowing gay marriage and in general, keeping religion the fuck out of the government over the mess that's going on to the south.

If you think Iraqi resistance is hard to deal with, just wait until you see the Canadians...

It's 1812 all over again. :D

This would actually be an awesome idea. With a merged America and Canada, we would continue to dominate the world economically.

In my eyes, there are a few major changes that would have to be made for it to work though.

*America would have to become a little more socially tolerant.

*Canada would have to become a little more right wing, economically.

*We would have to be a mit more isolationist and deal more with the UN and Europe, as opposed to gung-hoing it.

*We (and I mean America and Anglo-Canada) would have to work something out with French Canada. They already hate the Anglo-Canadians, I cant seem them wanting MORE Anglos.

To be honest, I think this could work. However, I think for it to work, the new United North America would have to be a Capitalist, socially liberatarian nation that cooperates with the U.N. nations.

Yeah, we'd piss off some American fundies and some Canadian commies, but thats a risk I'm willing to take.:)

What do you guys think of this?

Canada wouldnt know what to do with a girl like us. They're still a virgin anyway. ;)

If you think Iraqi resistance is hard to deal with, just wait until you see the Canadians...


Yeah, I'd like to keep [I]some liberty and separation of church and state in North America. So no.

*America would have to become a little more socially tolerant.
A little?!

*Canada would have to become a little more right wing, economically.
I'd rather keep my healthcare, thanks.

It wouldn't work. The US population is huge compared to the Canadian, we wouldn't have any say in how things are run and then our country would be going down the tubes just like the US is.

Canada wouldnt know what to do with a girl like us. They're still a virgin too. ;)
Says the person from the country with a federally funded abstinance-only sex ed programme...

EWWWWWWWWWWWW! Ugh. No. Just NO! WE REFUSE TO UNITE WITH YOU RIGHT-WINGED REDNECKED BIBLE-HUMPING COUSIN-KISSERS!*

No, and don't you dare even thinking about it. If you do take Canada by force, you'll find that Canada will be missing 30 million people.

(*no offense to the rest of US, of course)

Says the person from the country with a federally funded abstinance-only sex ed programme...

...That has had no rate of success at all.

...That has had no rate of success at all.
Yes, but my point is that your government is run by a bunch of prudes and you're calling our country virginal.

Yes, but my point is that your government is run by a bunch of prudes and you're calling our country virginal.

A little defensive arent we? No reson to take it so seriously, I stole the reference from an Onion article anyway, or was it satirewire? Anyway, Canda does have a bit more of that virgin feeling. America reminds me of a teenager that stole their dads car, and joyrides down the neighborhood blasting loud music when people are trying to sleep. Canada's more like the quiet little brother.

I'd rather keep my healthcare, thanks.

It wouldn't work. The US population is huge compared to the Canadian, we wouldn't have any say in how things are run and then our country would be going down the tubes just like the US is.
It could work. Just because you dont like it, doesnt really mean much. For instance, Western Canada is fairly conservative, notably Alberta. Like I said, there would have to be reformations and compromises on all sides, but I think it could actually happen. I would be for it.

It could work. Just because you dont like it, doesnt really mean much. For instance, Western Canada is fairly conservative, notably Alberta. Like I said, there would have to be reformations and compromises on all sides, but I think it could actually happen. I would be for it.

Canada conservative = American democrats.

Also, the biggest city in Western Canada is still Vancouver, and it's always been Liberal or NDP. Don't pin conservative on the whole of western canada.

Canada 5 - U.S.A. 2

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!111 :eek:

*runs away*

um.. the site you link to fails to realise that mexico, and all the way down to Panama is part of North America. but if you want a union, hijack NAFTA, as the EU was created by hyjacking the EEC. but do realise that this will mess you up even more.

Hell naw. I'd fight to prevent such a union. If that happens, I'm moving to Costa Rica.

That would probably be a good idea, and i'm all for it. but us canadians have to stop hating americans and visa versa. by the way, these people came up to my friends grand parents 80 f. weather with skis and said "this is canada. SO WHERE'S THE SNOW?!?!?!":headbang:

I would actually support an EU style confederacy in North America. I'm no expert, but it seems like it would be to everybody's benefit. The only thing getting in the way would be petty nationalism.

Cuba will become Canamericada's Texas!

More to the point, the United States will become Canada's Mississippi. You know how Yankees feel towards "those dumb redneck crackers"? That's largely Canada's take on Americans in general, and we've not been given much reason lately to feel otherwise.

So, no thanks. We'd rather not form a political union with the "Children of the Corn".

Canada conservative = American democrats.

Also, the biggest city in Western Canada is still Vancouver, and it's always been Liberal or NDP. Don't pin conservative on the whole of western canada.

Not only that, but my home province of Saskatchewan had, in 1944, the first elected social democratic government in North America under Tommy Douglas (for whom I was named), and is the home of medicare, government insurance, Canada's first bill of rights, and a host of other good things.

Saskatchewan was apparently so damned unhappy with socialism that the CCF-NDP has only held power a mere 46 of the last 62 years, including the last 15.

Manitoba is also fairly left wing; the NDP have been in power since late last century.

Actually, come to think of it, the only true conservative redoubts are rural Alberta, Calgary, and parts of the Okanagan valley.

...That has had no rate of success at all.

America is preggers?

More to the point, the United States will become Canada's Mississippi. You know how Yankees feel towards "those dumb redneck crackers"? That's largely Canada's take on Americans in general, and we've not been given much reason lately to feel otherwise.

So, no thanks. We'd rather not form a political union with the "Children of the Corn".

What about NY? Are we cool with you?

What about NY? Are we cool with you?

Yeah, I'd say NY is pretty hawt.

Yeah, I'd say NY is pretty hawt.

Our milkshake brings all the Canadians to the yard?

canadian chicks are hot

Not only that, but my home province of Saskatchewan had, in 1944, the first elected social democratic government in North America under Tommy Douglas (for whom I was named), and is the home of medicare, government insurance, Canada's first bill of rights, and a host of other good things.

Saskatchewan was apparently so damned unhappy with socialism that the CCF-NDP has only held power a mere 46 of the last 62 years, including the last 15.

Manitoba is also fairly left wing; the NDP have been in power since late last century.

Actually, come to think of it, the only true conservative redoubts are rural Alberta, Calgary, and parts of the Okanagan valley.

Calgary doesn't count, because they're hicks. And Okanagan doesn't count, because we of the West Coast refuses to recognize them as a part of BC.

canadian chicks are hot
Thank you. :)

More to the point, the United States will become Canada's Mississippi. You know how Yankees feel towards "those dumb redneck crackers"? That's largely Canada's take on Americans in general, and we've not been given much reason lately to feel otherwise.

So, no thanks. We'd rather not form a political union with the "Children of the Corn".

A few years ago, a friend from Canada on another board wrote up this whole treatise "to be handed out to Americans who visit our fair fine land." I can't remember any of it except for these 2 wonderful points:


We are NOT "almost Americans." Canada has its own history, its own culture, its own society, & we are very proud of it, thank you. If you insist on continuing the usage of that term, we're going to start calling you "Upper Mexicans." It's only fair.

Contrary to popular American belief, the national anthem of Canada does NOT start out "Shut your fucking face, uncle fucka."

Cuba will become Canamericada's Texas!I love that name!CANAMERICADA:D

I recently came across the following site, which proposed a concept which I found quite intriguing.

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.htm

Namely, the site advocates a political union between the US and Canada. To me, it seems to be an excellent idea for economic, social, and political reasons. How do you feel about it?

I'd sooner be waterboarded than to see my nation enter into any sort of union with America.

Contrary to popular American belief, the national anthem of Canada does NOT start out "Shut your fucking face, uncle fucka."
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It could... if you wanted it to be... :rolleyes:

It's a good idea. The name can become United States of Canada and finally stop the confusion with the America thing.

It's 1812 all over again. :D


hehehe whitehouse;)
The US population is huge compared to the Canadian, we wouldn't have any say in how things are run

In the usa isn't number of votes rewared due to land not population?

Calgary doesn't count, because they're hicks.
I live here and it's true... please get me outta here.

I can't think of many ideas I oppose more than this. Of course, I question the need for the United States, so there's no way in hell I'd want an even bigger Federal monstrosity.

I'm sure if the traitors are willing to accept their rightful Queen and place in the Empire, we could forgive them, just like Benedict Arnold. It took a new wife, but he did eventually remember his duty to King and Empire.

Now, I hope the Yanks are willing to accept public healthcare and decent school funding and don't cry 'oppression!'

I'm sure if the traitors are willing to accept their rightful Queen and place in the Empire, we could forgive them, just like Benedict Arnold. It took a new wife, but he did eventually remember his duty to King and Empire.

Now, I hope the Yanks are willing to accept public healthcare and decent school funding and don't cry 'oppression!'

Agreed. I hope we won't have to place armed guards around tea shipments, just think of what that will cost. Raised taxes anyone?

Our milkshake brings all the Canadians to the yard?

Oh, its not just the milkshakes, I assure you. ;)

Votes are awarded based on population. And no, we would not accept the Queen as our sovereign. If you tried to force us, we'd torch Buckingham Palace... with a nuke.

A union with Canada would be of some benefit to both nations. The Canadians would no longer be in the shadow of America. Now they would have some actual say in things. Fears of Canada being forced to accept certain American laws such as allowing the death penalty and restricting gay marriage would be unfounded, as such matters are reserved for the states. All the Canadian states would need to do is put such things in their constitutions. Oh, and with the Canadians in the union, the FMA would be even more screwed.

Many areas of the country would see major integration. Without the border in the way, I could see a megalopolis grow between Seattle and Vancouver, while Detroit would all but fuse with the Canadian cities on the other side of its border.

However, I see the true value in this union as being the first stage towards uniting North America into one country. Mexico would be next, followed by Central America in good order. After Castro dies, we simply send all the Cuban-American refugees home. They then get Cuba to join, and the rest of the Carribean will follow suit.

Of course, while many Central Americans would take the opportunity to cross the non-existant border, the flow of federal money into Central America would bring about rapid development, and I imagine the former immigrants would ultimately return. There is also the problem of corruption, but I doubt the system of corruption would last against the combined onslaught of the American media and the American lawyers.

I'd sooner be waterboarded than to see my nation enter into any sort of union with America.

Don't many liberals advocate the bringing down of artificial barriers separating countries? Don't many of them believe that we are divided more by class than by nationality? This is an excellent opportunity to assert those ideals.

Don't many liberals advocate the bringing down of artificial barriers separating countries? Don't many of them believe that we are divided more by class than by nationality? This is an excellent opportunity to assert those ideals.
By handing power over people's lives to a bunch of politicians who need the Christianists to get voted into office?

I think most Canadians are quite happy with their decent healthcare, legalised gay marriage and much more muted foreign policies. Why they would want to include people from Lousianna's swamps into their government is beyond me.

Agreed. I hope we won't have to place armed guards around tea shipments, just think of what that will cost. Raised taxes anyone?

I don't think they drink tea anymore there, or tax it?

What about NY? Are we cool with you?

How about letting Maine become the 11th Province? Please?

How about letting Maine become the 11th Province? Please?
Yeah, I think Maine would fit in quite nicely. :)

How about letting Maine become the 11th Province? Please?

Only if you consider NY for the 12th. You might as well take Alaska as well...

Huzzah! Canada and the United States may once and for all be united under the flag of "The United Dominions of Mexico Sucks".

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It seems that the main argument against this has to do with the Canadians not liking things such as the death penalty or US conservatives.
Ignoring the fact that they would make up 10% of the voting population... in a country where elections are normally decided by smaller margins. That, and many issues are decided at the state level

Canada joins, the Democrats will be in power for a long time.

Canada joins, the Democrats will be in power for a long time.

Problem is, see - in terms of Canadian politics, the Dems are about as right-wing as the Tories in Canada. Why would the 20% of Canadians who elect the NDP want to have their voices silenced? And not even every Canadian Liberal would be happy being under the Dems' tent.

Nuh uh. Not good enough. We'd need representation from more than two political parties.

Only if you consider NY for the 12th. You might as well take Alaska as well...

What about Washington, Oregon, and California? :(

Problem is, see - in terms of Canadian politics, the Dems are about as right-wing as the Tories in Canada. Why would the 20% of Canadians who elect the NDP want to have their voices silenced? And not even every Canadian Liberal would be happy being under the Dems' tent.

Nuh uh. Not good enough. We'd need representation from more than two political parties.

If the U.S and Canada were to join, the first new party to form would be a Canadian separtest party!

Oh God, if this happens, what will happen to our taxes in the USA?!

On a serious note, Does Canada have a good aviation system?

On a serious note, Does Canada have a good aviation system?

Seeing as we're in the G8, and part of NORAD, I'd *hope* we have a good aviation system.

And USA/Canada unite? I'll move to the UK then.

Seeing as we're in the G8, and part of NORAD, I'd *hope* we have a good aviation system.

And USA/Canada unite? I'll move to the UK then.

Ahh comon, it might not be that bad. I mean we already share NORAD and NAFTA. We're united but in name only!

Another note for no thanks. Your Democrats are at the same level as our Conservatives. Your political system and population numbers would drown us, and we'd be stuck with right-wing policies - Democrat ones, perhaps, but still right-wing to us (and most of the rest of the planet).

You know, I'm all for world government. I just don't want my world leaders following the US political system, thankyouverymuch.

No offense intended to my US friends; you guys get your laundry sorted, and then we'll talk.

Oh God, if this happens, what will happen to our taxes in the USA?!
Canadian taxes are really only slightly higher then American

Canadian taxes are really only slightly higher then American

Hmm, I may consider this. How intrusive is Canadian government into private life? Is it like the UK?

Hmm, I may consider this. How intrusive is Canadian government into private life? Is it like the UK?

Well, you could be taken to court if you don't fill out your Census forms.

*edit: but that's only every ten years or so.

Well, you could be taken to court if you don't fill out your Census forms.

*edit: but that's only every ten years or so.

Well beside that.

Dear United States,

We thank you for keeping all the crazies safely away from us. We'd really rather not have to deal with them. We think it a bit funny the way you elect them into government, but that isn't really any of our business. :rolleyes:

I don't know how to put the 'let's just be friends speech' gently, but, I'm sorry, we value as a friend, and let's just keep it that way. Not that we wouldn't mind being a friend with 'benefits' ;)

But if you're letting us pick and choose... well, I've always liked your Maine, and British Columbia wants its coast back. Alaska would match nicely with this Yukon we have. And Hawaii would be a great way to escape from the Canadian Winter. If you're sweet, maybe we'll share Alberta :D they're practically Americans anyway.

Your loving friend,
Canada.

Canadian taxes are really only slightly higher then American

In fact, corporate taxes are lower. Shocking, I know.

I'd be happy to trade Southern Alberta for New England.

Hmm, I may consider this. How intrusive is Canadian government into private life? Is it like the UK?Well, they don't tell you whether you can marry, or which consenting adult you can have sex with, or have an abortion. But we do have drug laws.

Can you give us examples of what you would consider intrusive by a government? After all, you are expected to register your firearms, much like requiring you to register your car.

I'd be happy to trade Southern Alberta for New England.

Southern Alberta isn't all bad. Honest. They're redeemable, really. Just trade off the people who take/took Economics at the University of Calgary.

You could also trade off the Abbotsford fundies, if you wanted. I wouldn't stop you.

At least we would get good beer..but it is too late Mexico has already annexed us...just drive a pickup truck into a home Depot:headbang:

I recently came across the following site, which proposed a concept which I found quite intriguing.

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.htm

Namely, the site advocates a political union between the US and Canada. To me, it seems to be an excellent idea for economic, social, and political reasons. How do you feel about it?

Funny! :D

The US's problems are *precisely* because it is TOO big. A much better solution would be split it into 7-11 different countries. California needs to be it's own country. Texas too. Lump in Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas.. New York and New England. I'm sure you can sort out the rest of it. If you really want to mix Canada into the mix, give then Alaska. No one else needs it.

Southern Alberta isn't all bad. Honest. They're redeemable, really. Just trade off the people who take Economics at the University of Calgary.

You could also trade off the Abbotsford fundies, if you wanted. I wouldn't stop you.

But look at what we'd get in return:

Connecticut
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
New York
Rhode Island
Vermont

Well, maybe we could declare Maine its' own country. I don't like Maine. But look at the rest of it! And at the nominal price of shedding our very own 'B'-Ark material, some Badlands and a mountain of Bibles - hey! It starts sounding appealing - !

Well, they don't tell you whether you can marry, or which consenting adult you can have sex with, or have an abortion. But we do have drug laws.

Can you give us examples of what you would consider intrusive by a government? After all, you are expected to register your firearms, much like requiring you to register your car.

What about smoking in public places? I am a Conservative Libertarian. I believe in low taxes, a small government and I am actually pretty liberal on social issues. Are there cameras everywhere? Are people allowed to protect their home by shooting the intruder if they feel their life is in danger? What if I wanted to carry a Concealed weapon, can I do that with the proper permits? Also, does the government care about what I watch, or rent? What about prostitution? Does your government care that I pay another consenting adult for sexual pleasure? This and similar stuff is the stuff I am most concerned about.

Also, does your school have religion classes? (I hope not, I believe religion is up to the parents). What about sex ed classes? (While I am saving myself for marriage, I do realize it's not for everyone, but the people who do have premartial sex should at least be taught about safe sex.)

Stuff like that.

Funny! :D

The US's problems are *precisely* because it is TOO big. A much better solution would be split it into 7-11 different countries. California needs to be it's own country. Texas too. Lump in Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas.. New York and New England. I'm sure you can sort out the rest of it. If you really want to mix Canada into the mix, give then Alaska. No one else needs it.

I'm thinking at least 30-40 countries. If we have smaller countries we won't be under the delusion that we can somehow be self sufficient.

I propose that we name the Civil Union of the United States of America and Canada the United Colonies of America, or the UCA.

The ideal flag would merge the Union Jack with the Stars and Stripes (Union Jack replacing Stars and Stripes)

*imagines George Bush singing God Save the Queen

Funny! :D

The US's problems are *precisely* because it is TOO big. A much better solution would be split it into 7-11 different countries. California needs to be it's own country. Texas too. Lump in Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas.. New York and New England. I'm sure you can sort out the rest of it. If you really want to mix Canada into the mix, give then Alaska. No one else needs it.
you mean like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America

I'm thinking at least 30-40 countries. If we have smaller countries we won't be under the delusion that we can somehow be self sufficient.

It would be nice.. But some of these states just can't be self sufficent.. Alaska for one.. Montana and Wyoming probably. Alabama. What the hell would New Mexico do? You can't live off casinos forever...

If Canada and the US merged, there would be a bloody civil war because no Canadian, including me, wants any part in something like that.

What about smoking in public places? I am a Conservative Libertarian. I believe in low taxes, a small government and I am actually pretty liberal on social issues. Are there cameras everywhere? Are people allowed to protect their home by shooting the intruder if they feel their life is in danger? What if I wanted to carry a Concealed weapon, can I do that with the proper permits? Also, does the government care about what I watch, or rent? What about prostitution? Does your government care that I pay another consenting adult for sexual pleasure? This and similar stuff is the stuff I am most concerned about.

Also, does your school have religion classes? (I hope not, I believe religion is up to the parents). What about sex ed classes? (While I am saving myself for marriage, I do realize it's not for everyone, but the people who do have premartial sex should at least be taught about safe sex.)

Stuff like that.

You can smoke all you want outside or in your own home, but many cities (and increasingly provinces) have instituted no smoking policies in indoor worksites for health and safety reasons. Essentially, one's right to smoke collides with another's right not to breathe second hand smoke. Not a federal policy though. (and before you start citing vehicle exhaust issues, many of these same cities institute annual car inspections to keep emissions down.)

There are some cameras. Some cities put up red light cameras to catch people speeding through red lights. Some stores have surveillance cameras to stop shoplifters (and employee theft). They are private property, after all. Some places have weather cams.

If your life is in danger, you can probably shoot to kill. I don't know. It's never come up in my own experience. But if you did harm or kill someone, you'd probably have to prove that your life really was in danger. For example, if you shot an unarmed intruder, you would probably find it hard to convince a jury that your life was in danger.

I don't think any Canadian civillians have the right to carry concealed firearms.

Nobody cares what you watch on TV or rent to watch, unless it involves child pornography.

Prostitution is hotly debated in many places. Seems like escort agencies are generally tolerated, but there is still a distaste for streetwalkers. There is a movement afoot to decriminalize prostitution, and for the most part, enforcement is targeted at pimps and johns. Technically though, it's still illegal.

Most schools don't have religious classes, although you can send your child to private religious schools or home school your children using religious texts. Universities have comparative religion classes, and high school literature courses often discuss religious texts. It's hard to discuss classical European literature without some background in Christian images and myths.

Schools teach sex ed, and not that abstinence only stuff. Back when I was in school, decades ago, I think the sex ed classes started when I was 12.

We haven't managed to decriminalize pot, although it has been recommended by the Senate. Everytime we talk about it, the US stamps it's foot and threatens cross border trade, and the Canadian government backs away cringing.

Well that's just silly, if people want to smoke pot, let them, after all they're only affecting themselves and no one else, and they're the one that'll have to put up with the consequences of such actions.

Now on the home invasion, I don't take home invasion lightly, so if someone tries to break into my home, I do tend to do anything necessary to protect myself and my family, I live out in the country here in the states, so police response is 30-45 minutes, so I've come to not rely on the police for my protection. While I may not shoot to kill when I first see the person, I will make it known he is breaking into a home of an armed man.

Now, I can agree somewhat to the public smoking ban, I mean we all have rights to clean air in public. However, what about places like restaurants, bars, private clubs where people are more likely to light one up?

Well to get off this America bashing I do not want to be part of Canada. Of course America has some problems but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
I also don't want your socialized medicine. Why do you think people from around the world come to the US to get major operations done, because our medical practices are BETTER!!

And about the gay marriage thing, you do know that people vote on those kinds of things, its called democracy.

And what is wrong with the death penalty?

If a guy blows up a building full of small children you think he should get to live his life? And if so, do you want to pay for for his food and housing?

Frankly, I'm against the ban of smoking in public places. The government has no business telling a private company what to do in the first place. Secondly, it's up to the business's owner (or whomever) if he wants people to smoke on his property.

I'm all for the decriminalization of marijuana, too.

However, I see the true value in this union as being the first stage towards uniting North America into one country. Mexico would be next, followed by Central America in good order. After Castro dies, we simply send all the Cuban-American refugees home. They then get Cuba to join, and the rest of the Carribean will follow suit.

Indeed...if the U.S. and Canada cannot become one nation, what hope is there for a greater North American union?

None.

I would actually support an EU style confederacy in North America. I'm no expert, but it seems like it would be to everybody's benefit. The only thing getting in the way would be petty nationalism.

Clearly demonstrated in this thread... :(

The ideal flag would merge the Union Jack with the Stars and Stripes (Union Jack replacing Stars and Stripes)


And what does the union jack have to do with Canada? Nothing. We have a flag. We have the red and white maple leaf.

Canada conservative = American democrats.

Also, the biggest city in Western Canada is still Vancouver, and it's always been Liberal or NDP. Don't pin conservative on the whole of western canada.

In Van City the Liberals are Right-Wing.

Only if you consider NY for the 12th. You might as well take Alaska as well...

Alaska is on my list of places to invade. So is Poland, and the moon. NY is not, because frankly, you scare our troops.

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It seems that the main argument against this has to do with the Canadians not liking things such as the death penalty or US conservatives.
Ignoring the fact that they would make up 10% of the voting population... in a country where elections are normally decided by smaller margins. That, and many issues are decided at the state level

Canada joins, the Democrats will be in power for a long time.

Don't be so sure. The Democrats are as right wing as our furthest right party(that gets seats). They may get some votes for conservatives, but they are largely thought of as right wing asshats where I live.

Hmm, I may consider this. How intrusive is Canadian government into private life? Is it like the UK?

Socially - much less than the US.
Economicly - less, but not by as much.

Why not split like this? :>

http://www.bettybowers.com/graphics/jesuslandmap.gif

But look at what we'd get in return:

Connecticut
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
New York
Rhode Island
Vermont

Well, maybe we could declare Maine its' own country. I don't like Maine. But look at the rest of it! And at the nominal price of shedding our very own 'B'-Ark material, some Badlands and a mountain of Bibles - hey! It starts sounding appealing - !


A) Many of us here would rather be in Canada anyway, we'd make a great Province but

B) Maine doesn't like you either, pal. :p

Don't be so sure. The Democrats are as right wing as our furthest right party(that gets seats). They may get some votes for conservatives, but they are largely thought of as right wing asshats where I live.

At least they're not Repugnantcans.

Why not split like this? :>

http://www.bettybowers.com/graphics/jesuslandmap.gif

I used to use a similar map as my wallpaper, except it had Alberta as part of Jesusland.

-long listof questions-I'm going to try and answer 'em all. Although, keep in mind I live in a suburb of Van City. Things may not be this way everywhere.
What about smoking in public places?
Outdoors is fine, indoors is not. Private places get to choose.
Are there cameras everywhere?
At some high crash intersections to catch people who run red lights. Again, private places can put up as many as they want. Are people allowed to protect their home by shooting the intruder if they feel their life is in danger? I am not sure about shooting. If they have a gun, and you shoot to wound, probably. You can use the physical force nessesary to remove them. Though, if the police show up and you are just beating him while he is in the fetal possition...
What if I wanted to carry a Concealed weapon, can I do that with the proper permits?
No. Can't hunt with a concealed weapon. Remember, guns are for murdering animals, not people.
Also, does the government care about what I watch, or rent? Up here, only religous TV is cencorded. Otherwise it is left to the discretion of the network. I assume the same goes for movie rentals.
What about prostitution?
Technically illegal, fairly easy to participate in. NOTE: We have a "nail the John" policy. Meaning, if you get caught, the person recieving payment is going to get off Scott-free compared to the payer.
Does your government care that I pay another consenting adult for sexual pleasure?See above.

Also, does your school have religion classes? (I hope not, I believe religion is up to the parents).
While the ciriculum will vary by the province. I had to learn about Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddism, and Hinduism. All were cowered in about a month or two in history class, before moving back to white history for another 5 years.
What about sex ed classes? (While I am saving myself for marriage, I do realize it's not for everyone, but the people who do have premartial sex should at least be taught about safe sex.)
Abstinance is regarded as pointless by my school district. They feel it only works if the students parents preach it. Safe sex is covered quite well.

Frankly, I'm against the ban of smoking in public places. The government has no business telling a private company what to do in the first place. Secondly, it's up to the business's owner (or whomever) if he wants people to smoke on his property.

I'm all for the decriminalization of marijuana, too.
Only the government owns public property. If a private company owns it, it is private land.

[QUOTE=Maineiacs;12039402]I used to use a similar map as my wallpaper, except it had Alberta as part of Jesusland.

Except its not.

And what does the union jack have to do with Canada? Nothing. We have a flag. We have the red and white maple leaf.

Well, it would show the world that the new nation is part of the Commonwealth and has the Queen as Head of State.

What would be the point in having the Queen head of state? As an American I would hate that.You all can keep Canada with your funny words like aboot and your square wheels.