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So, will the butcher of Iraq get the death penalty? If he does, how will the people react? If he doesn't how will the people react? What say you?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20061104/ts_nm/iraq_dc_10

Seeing as he was never granted a fair trial, one cannot expect anything but a conviction. It is a sad state of affairs, though, that Iraq has chosen to mimic other murderous states in having something as despicable as the death penalty. You would have thought being killed by the state for so long they would have learnt. Alas, some seem incapable of it.

Of course. Saddam should not get to enjoy life for another minute.

Seeing as he was never granted a fair trial, one cannot expect anything but a conviction. It is a sad state of affairs, though, that Iraq has chosen to mimic other murderous states in having something as despicable as the death penalty. You would have thought being killed by the state for so long they would have learnt. Alas, some seem incapable of it.

How was it NOT a fair trial?

How was it NOT a fair trial?
Shit judges.
Conflicting witnesses, some of whom were paid to make statements against Saddam, others who were far too young to know what happened other than by word of mouth, Saddam's lawyers were often killed.

Plenty of things were wrong with it.

Seeing as he was never granted a fair trial, one cannot expect anything but a conviction. It is a sad state of affairs, though, that Iraq has chosen to mimic other murderous states in having something as despicable as the death penalty. You would have thought being killed by the state for so long they would have learnt. Alas, some seem incapable of it.
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It would have been far more interesting to have an International trial, considering that Saddam was a product of International design. One can only imagine what would have surfaced as evidence?

I am sure that the US much prefers the local kangaroo court, find him guilty, hang him approach.

Shit judges.
Conflicting witnesses, some of whom were paid to make statements against Saddam, others who were far too young to know what happened other than by word of mouth, Saddam's lawyers were often killed.

Plenty of things were wrong with it.

Most of the stuff that went wrong with Saddam's trial was Saddam's fault really. He kept on raising hell, and making a scene. He knows what's going to happen. The fact that the trial is able to get this far is a testament of how far this country has come.

Seeing as he was never granted a fair trial, one cannot expect anything but a conviction. It is a sad state of affairs, though, that Iraq has chosen to mimic other murderous states in having something as despicable as the death penalty. You would have thought being killed by the state for so long they would have learnt. Alas, some seem incapable of it.

So what I hear you saying is, "Because Iraq has the death penalty Saddam could not get a fair trial." Is that correct? If not, please explain why he did not get a fair trial under the laws of Iraq.

Most of the stuff that went wrong with Saddam's trial was Saddam's fault really. He kept on raising hell, and making a scene. He knows what's going to happen.
Can't blame him for the crappy witnesses.
Can't blame him for the judges.
Can't blame him for the deaths of his lawyers.

Can't blame him for any of it.
The fact that the trial is able to get this far is a testament of how far this country has come.
Another show trial?

It shows that Iraq really has come nowhere, then.

Seeing as he was never granted a fair trial, one cannot expect anything but a conviction. It is a sad state of affairs, though, that Iraq has chosen to mimic other murderous states in having something as despicable as the death penalty. You would have thought being killed by the state for so long they would have learnt. Alas, some seem incapable of it.

That trial is as fair as he'll ever get. If he were ever released from jail, nowhere on the planet would be safe for him anyway. The way I see it, the only question is whether to kill him or not. Personally, I favor not. If anybody deserves the cruel death of slowly rotting away in a small concrete box, it's him. *nod*

That trial is as fair as he'll ever get. If he were ever released from jail, nowhere on the planet would be safe for him anyway. The way I see it, the only question is whether to kill him or not. Personally, I favor not. If anybody deserves the cruel death of slowly rotting away in a small concrete box, it's him. *nod*

Personally I'm surprise he's still alive, You'd think he'd been sniped or killed by someone by now.

Personally I'm surprise he's still alive, You'd think he'd been sniped or killed by someone by now.

There have been at least a couple foiled attempts. *nod*

There have been at least a couple foiled attempts. *nod*

I think he should be killed, mainly because of the massacre he did to the kurds.

Hanging is too good for him!
Drown him in oil like he did to all those ducks in the Gulf back in the 90s! http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/131.gif

I think he should be killed, mainly because of the massacre he did to the kurds.
They were raiding the north of Iraq.

He could of justified it like the Americans would have - a "war on terror".

I bet he kills himself before he can get the death penalty or if he is sentenced to life in prison.

I bet he kills himself before he can get the death penalty or if he is sentenced to life in prison.
I bet he appeals anything he gets, and wins.

I think he should be killed, mainly because of the massacre he did to the kurds.

He does't deserve the spectacle. In twenty or so years when he finally rots to death, nobody will care. That's what he deserves. *nod*

I bet he appeals anything he gets, and wins.

I bet you one golden life-size moose that he offs himself.

Hanging is too good for him!
Drown him in oil like he did to all those ducks in the Gulf back in the 90s! http://www.postsmile.com/img/emotions/131.gif

That was because of a drunk boat captain, not because of Saddam.

Of course. Saddam should not get to enjoy life for another minute.

Wouldnt a more fitting punishment for him to rot in a hel hole somewhere, making him wish for death but not giving it to him?

Death seems quite breif for the ultimate punishment

I think somehow he'll find himself on the ballot of the next Iraqi elections and become the democratically elected President of Iraq.

Now *that* would be comedy gold!

I think somehow he'll find himself on the ballot of the next Iraqi elections and become the democratically elected President of Iraq.

Now *that* would be comedy gold!

I'd pay $8 to see that. :)

That was because of a drunk boat captain, not because of Saddam.

Your saying 1 drunk boat captain dumped 11 million barrels of oil (which doubled the oil spill world record and was 20 times larger than Exxon Valdez) over a 4 month period?
link (http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/kuwait.htm)
More than 800 miles of Kuwait and Saudi arabian beaches were oiled and marine wildlife was devastated. Oiled birds revealed on CNN by the media painted an accurate picture of occurrences in the Gulf.
That must have been one hell of a drinking binge. :eek:

Pollution pisses me off! Intentional pollution, motivated by hate, absofrikinlutly infuriates me!

I think that the faux court that has been created to turn him into a propoganda machine will have him hanged.

Show trials are like that.

I'd pay $8 to see that. :)

I'd pay £4 to see Borat Sagdiyev elected president of Khazakhstan.

Well... you kill 148 to save hundreds of thousands...

But this trial is in no ways fair, and if i recall several judges quit because the trial was so unfair...

Unfortunatly he will hang, whether he's guilty or not, if he was let off then bush would lose all chance of being re-elected

To be honest, if he's let off then, i could seriously see him become president of iraq and declare it a dictatorship... it would be overly funny, and ironic

Can't blame him for any of it.

Except the fact that his murderous ways got everyone so angry at him in the first place...

Well... you kill 148 to save hundreds of thousands...

But this trial is in no ways fair, and if i recall several judges quit because the trial was so unfair...

Actually I only heard of one judge resigning, and it was because Saddam was being an ass and wouldn't let the trail progress.


Unfortunatly he will hang, whether he's guilty or not, if he was let off then bush would lose all chance of being re-elected

Umm, Bush cannot be re-elected either way.


To be honest, if he's let off then, i could seriously see him become president of iraq and declare it a dictatorship... it would be overly funny, and ironic

Yea, but he won't.

Saddam is hearby found guilty of crimes against the US Imperialist interest under Article 58 (RSFSR Penal Code), and shall therefore hang by his neck.

Never mind the fact that under the post annexation regime far far more lives have been lost, more atrocities committed and the Iraqi's have faced more impossible hardship than they ever did under Saddam.

I hope he won't. He was the best thing to happen to Iraq. I think if Iraqis voted today, they would vote to bring the poor bastard back. He didnt get a fair trail at any rate. Its rigged by the US to make sure he hangs. Kinda sad really, his fall from grace that is.

Except the fact that his murderous ways got everyone so angry at him in the first place...
Not his fault that Bush Sr. launched a family fued.

If his trail was unfair then he can use that in his appeal. (which btw will probably take a year or more) But he is a monster that deserves justice!

I'm positively gonna shed a tear when he bites the dust.
I hope he is defiant to the end.

I'm surprised the US haven't left him in the open in a Shit'e neighborhood (he's Sunni) and claim it was a botched rescue attempt.

MTAE actually said something... I... agree... with...
*head implodes*

Of course. Saddam should not get to enjoy life for another minute.Which does not require the death penalty. :)

True, Saddam cannot be blamed for the death of his lawyers.
Neither can the US. We can blame whoever killed Saddam's lawyers.

Did he get a fair trial? I am not sure. Perhaps having an Iraqi who was not a card-carrying Baathist as judge was unfair, as that would ensure a guilty verdict. On the other hand, a card-carrying Baathist judge would ensure an innocent verdict. And as these crimes were carried out in Iraq, an Iraqi judge is needed.

The whole trial was a mess, and was hardly the entertaining media-fest I had hoped for. Though throwing Saddam into prison for life sounds fun.

No fair trial.

He will be convicted.