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Some Kurdish dude has been convicted of molesting sheep in England. He now may face deportatiion. I can see locking him up for a bit, but is deportation really necessary?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006510113,00.html

He's unlikely to be deported. If he does it again he probably will be, though. But only six months for fucking a sheep? Something wrong there.

He should have gone to Wales. ;)

He's unlikely to be deported. If he does it again he probably will be, though. But only six months for fucking a sheep? Something wrong there.

He fucked a sheep. It's not like he raped a person or something. It's a property crime.

How do they know it wasn't consensual?
Was the sheep underage?

How do they know it wasn't consensual?
Was the sheep underage?

It was prostitution. They found bread crumbs at the scene of the crime. They believe that he enticed the sheep with bread in exchange for sex.

How do they know it wasn't consensual?
Was the sheep underage?

I doubt the sheep would approve of getting it on with a human, after all, four legs good, two legs baaaaaaad.

Some Kurdish dude has been convicted of molesting sheep in England. He now may face deportatiion. I can see locking him up for a bit, but is deportation really necessary?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006510113,00.html

If the English do not want sick bastards like him in their society, they have every right to deport him. However, they could also pass a law making it legal for a human to marry an animal then the HOLE thing would becom moot. :eek:

If the English do not want sick bastards like him in their society
"sick bastards"? hey, cool down, it's just a sheep!
there are real problems in the world.

If having sex with the sheep did not have a largely detrimental impact upon the sheep, I don't see what's wrong with it. If, however, the sheep could not longer perform its duties (whatever its function was, whether it was being used to generate revenue or to generate personal satisfaction, like a pet) well after being raped, then there's a problem. There's nothing intrinsically "wrong" with having sex with animals, however, no matter how perverted and sick.

Yes, deport him. There's clearly something not quite right in the guy's brain, so it would be best to just chuck him out before he does something more serious.

Yes, deport him. There's clearly something not quite right in the guy's brain, so it would be best to just chuck him out before he does something more serious.

Like upgrade to cows.

If having sex with the sheep did not have a largely detrimental impact upon the sheep, I don't see what's wrong with it. If, however, the sheep could not longer perform its duties (whatever its function was, whether it was being used to generate revenue or to generate personal satisfaction, like a pet) well after being raped, then there's a problem. There's nothing intrinsically "wrong" with having sex with animals, however, no matter how perverted and sick.
OMG
I actually agree with you. Somewhat. If the animal wasn't injured, hey, let it and the pervert shack up together. Eeeww.

Like upgrade to cows.

If the guy is so twisted in his sexuality to shag a sheep, I wouldn't trust him to not later do unwanted sexual things with humans. If you've proved yourself to be completely and utterly unable to keep your bits in your pants, then it's not unreasonable for you to be viewed as a sexual danger.

I doubt the sheep would approve of getting it on with a human, after all, four legs good, two legs baaaaaaad.


LMFAO!!! i got that book right infornt of me!!!

If having sex with the sheep did not have a largely detrimental impact upon the sheep, I don't see what's wrong with it. If, however, the sheep could not longer perform its duties (whatever its function was, whether it was being used to generate revenue or to generate personal satisfaction, like a pet) well after being raped, then there's a problem. There's nothing intrinsically "wrong" with having sex with animals, however, no matter how perverted and sick.

It's either there to produce wool for to be fattened and slaughtered. I don't see how either would be affected by getting screwed by some odd individual.

If having sex with the sheep did not have a largely detrimental impact upon the sheep, I don't see what's wrong with it.

Coming from the pro-slavery troll of NSG, that doesn't mean very much.

It's either there to produce wool for to be fattened and slaughtered. I don't see how either would be affected by getting screwed by some odd individual.

Perhaps the owner is emotionally attached to that sheep in the same way as someone would be attached to a dog. However, it is an unlikely scenario; I just mentioned it as a possibility. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with the perverted act.

Perhaps the owner is emotionally attached to that sheep in the same way as someone would be attached to a dog. However, it is an unlikely scenario; I just mentioned it as a possibility. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with the perverted act.
I don't know anyone that... urmm "attached" with a dog that much, to be honest.

If having sex with the sheep did not have a largely detrimental impact upon the sheep, I don't see what's wrong with it.

Unfortunately, we won't know that until we do a complete psychological examination of the sheep. Also, what about her mate, the ram, that witnessed the whole thing? How will he ever cope with his mate being raped by a hairy, smelly, ugly human being? He is probably traumatized as well and needs psychological counseling. I say send the scumbag who did this to the loving sheep-ram family back to Iraq.

Like upgrade to cows.

Well, there were Shetland ponies on the farm as well acording to the article, so...:eek:

It's either there to produce wool for to be fattened and slaughtered. I don't see how either would be affected by getting screwed by some odd individual.

Well, the human eaculation could ruin the flavor of the mutton or cause the sheep to grow hairy wool. :D

"sick bastards"? hey, cool down, it's just a sheep!
there are real problems in the world.....and i just had lamb for dinner,now i wonder was it the victim of sheep rape?:D

I don't see anything wrong with this. Though he should of asked the farm owner for permission. Perhaps he should have to buy the sheep? Kinda like a dowry?

I don't see anything wrong with this. Though he should of asked the farm owner for permission. Perhaps he should have to buy the sheep? Kinda like a dowry?

Nah, goes back to the prostitution idea, the farmer would then be a pimp....

"Where's my money, EWE!"

I hope he used protection, I understand that a rather nasty std originated in sheep.

It's a gateway crime. Today, he's fucking sheep. Tomorrow, horses. Before you know it, he's out in front of your house violating your garden gnome. :eek:

"She was not happy"

Lawl, tahts hilarious. Unhappy about what? :p

a sheep-fucker... oi..must be a slow news day

I hope they put that sheep out to pasture. I, for one, would not want that sweater.

If the guy is so twisted in his sexuality to shag a sheep, I wouldn't trust him to not later do unwanted sexual things with humans.
sure!
and if you kill an animal, i can't be sure you won't kill people...

try to think before writing anything so plainly stupid, please.

sure!
and if you kill an animal, i can't be sure you won't kill people..

In a lot of cases, people who wantonly kill animals do have psychological problems that might cause them to do that. They're called sociopaths, and they are often the kind of people that end up as serial killers.

Since the sheep appears to have been harmed, I suppose it is justified.

But there is considerable hypocrisy in saying that animals can be imprisoned in factory farms, killed, and eaten, but not raped.

Defendent feeling sheepish after conviction for farm frolick.
I thought feeling sheepish was what got him in trouble in the first place.

I thought feeling sheepish was what got him in trouble in the first place.

No, he was feeling like a horny goat then...

Since the sheep appears to have been harmed, I suppose it is justified.

But there is considerable hypocrisy in saying that animals can be imprisoned in factory farms, killed, and eaten, but not raped.

Not really. One is done because humans are omnivores whose diet includes by nature, meat. Sure, not everyone agrees with that, and plenty of those who do can disagree about the specific methods which we get that meat. But one could suggest there is hypocrisy in disagreeing with it since more or less all civilization is builty off animal enslavement (for agriculture, transportation as well as direct meat harvest).

And a difference is, raping an animal is not necessary, for anyone (rape being never necessary, period), nor for civilization, and while we can excuse and justify being an omnivore, it's a bit harder when the harm to animal comes solerly for the purpose of some freak's sexual gratification.

Not really. One is done because humans are omnivores whose diet includes by nature, meat.

So?

Sure, not everyone agrees with that, and plenty of those who do can disagree about the specific methods which we get that meat. But one could suggest there is hypocrisy in disagreeing with it since more or less all civilization is builty off animal enslavement (for agriculture, transportation as well as direct meat harvest).

There may be hypocrisy; that does not make the opinion false.

And a difference is, raping an animal is not necessary, for anyone (rape being never necessary, period),

Nor is meat-eating.

nor for civilization,

The rise of civilization coincided with the increased use of animals as slaves, but with modern technology civilization can be maintained without the use of animals.

and while we can excuse and justify being an omnivore, it's a bit harder when the harm to animal comes solerly for the purpose of some freak's sexual gratification.

The harm to the animal in meat-eating comes solely for the purpose of our taste gratification; we can easily live as vegetarians.

So?

So, eating is necessary to survival. Raping is not.


Nor is meat-eating.

Oh, well if you say so, I'll certainly just agree no matter how little support you give to back up what you say. ;)


The harm to the animal in meat-eating comes solely for the purpose of our taste gratification; we can easily live as vegetarians.

Oh, how "easily" would this be? Just ploughing half the world under for tofu farming, perhaps? Just instigating a global societal, economic, agricultural revolution? Simple!

So, eating is necessary to survival. Raping is not.

Procreative sex is necessary for survival. Rape is not.

Eating is necessary for survival. Meat-eating is not.

Oh, well if you say so, I'll certainly just agree no matter how little support you give to back up what you say. ;)

Oh, how "easily" would this be? Just ploughing half the world under for tofu farming, perhaps? Just instigating a global societal, economic, agricultural revolution? Simple!

Plenty of healthy people live as vegetarians as it is. Why do you think it is so difficult?

Your beloved market is perfectly capable of responding to demand, yes?

We had a case here locally about a year ago of a teenage boy with Downs Syndrome, having witnessed his older sister and her boyfriend shagging in the lounge and not knowning what to do with his pent up sexual frustrations, raping his fox terrior dog on the back lawn witnessed by the neighbour over the fence.

:(

Eating is necessary for survival. Meat-eating is not.


Huh, so I really don't almost die whenever I can't get meat in my diet. The rapid weight loss I suffer from when not eating the most calorie-intensive foods possible, due to my abnormally accelerated metabolism isn't real. I mean, losing ten pounds in a day is perfectly healthy when you're 6' 3" and 125 pounds.

I expected him to be a lot weirder looking...and don't you love how they hide the victims eyes...what, to protect their identity???

And what is with people...seriously, how many of you actually believe that aside from the ick factor that having sex with animals is okay as 'long as it doesn't hurt them'. Sheesh...just a property crime? Man.

It's a gateway crime. Today, he's fucking sheep. Tomorrow, horses. Before you know it, he's out in front of your house violating your garden gnome. :eek:

Beautiful! Sigged.

Huh, so I really don't almost die whenever I can't get meat in my diet. The rapid weight loss I suffer from when not eating the most calorie-intensive foods possible, due to my abnormally accelerated metabolism isn't real. I mean, losing ten pounds in a day is perfectly healthy when you're 6' 3" and 125 pounds.

If you were the only person on the planet who ate meat, you would have a point.

As it stands, the vast majority of meat consumption is not out of necessity.

Since the sheep appears to have been harmed, I suppose it is justified.

But there is considerable hypocrisy in saying that animals can be imprisoned in factory farms, killed, and eaten, but not raped.

No hypocrisy when you don't support any of it.

I hunt animals, and no, I don't get their consent...but I do it with respect, and according to my traditions. Having sex with an animal...especially in this case, is simply exploitation and abuse.

And what is with people...seriously, how many of you actually believe that aside from the ick factor that having sex with animals is okay as 'long as it doesn't hurt them'. Sheesh...just a property crime? Man.

Assuming a broad definition of "hurt", what other reason would you have to oppose it?

Huh, so I really don't almost die whenever I can't get meat in my diet. The rapid weight loss I suffer from when not eating the most calorie-intensive foods possible, due to my abnormally accelerated metabolism isn't real. I mean, losing ten pounds in a day is perfectly healthy when you're 6' 3" and 125 pounds.

I think he's speaking in general terms, not targeting you for death.

Assuming a broad definition of "hurt", what other reason would you have to oppose it?

That's it's abusive. "All my relations" refers to all living beings...you don't go raping your relations.

That's it's abusive. "All my relations" refers to all living beings...you don't go raping your relations.

How can something that isn't harmful be abusive?

I think he's speaking in general terms, not targeting you for death.

He made an absolute statement. I demonstrated that it was not absolute.

How can something that isn't harmful be abusive?

Define harm.

How can something that isn't harmful be abusive?

You don't know it's not harmful for one, having not way of communicating with the animal.

Having sex with a mentally disabled person, who is not capable of giving consent, is abusive, regardless of whether they are harmed by it or not. Having sex with children is abusive, regarldess of whether they are harmed by it or not. Having sex with animals...etc etc. It's abusive in the sense that you are getting sexual gratification with someone or something with conscious and reason that is incapable of conveying consent to you, or is not in the position to give consent.

Define harm.

Causing some form of emotional, psychological, or physical pain/damage?

Having sex with a mentally disabled person, who is not capable of giving consent, is abusive, regardless of whether they are harmed by it or not. Having sex with children is abusive, regarldess of whether they are harmed by it or not. Having sex with animals...etc etc. It's abusive in the sense that you are getting sexual gratification with someone or something with conscious and reason that is incapable of conveying consent to you, or is not in the position to give consent.

I see a few ways to quibble with that line of thought, but none that are convincing, so I'll concede the point to you.

Procreative sex is necessary for survival. Rape is not.

Eating is necessary for survival. Meat-eating is not.

Actually, sex is only necessary for survival of one's genetic lineage. It's an imperative, but it's not necessary in the same way that eating food is necessary. If I don't get laid, I feel angst. If I don't eat, I starve to death. Difference.


Plenty of healthy people live as vegetarians as it is. Why do you think it is so difficult?

Plenty of healthy people? Not if they think meat eating is equivalent to rape. They're fucking certifiable.

And plenty of healthy people, where? Affluent, cappucino-slurping, suburbanite Western societies. It's so nice that we can spend time to research online the specific dietary supplements that can make a human barely scrape by without meat. Also convinient to have those nice veggie markets and veggie stores with abundant tofu products...

So indeed, it would be "easy" for everyone to become vegetarian if everyone lived in such societies and had the financial means. They don't. So your veggie utopia will have to wait until your commie utopia is able to change the way the world economy works... and of course, compel people to become vegetarians.

And plenty of healthy people, where? Affluent, cappucino-slurping, suburbanite Western societies. It's so nice that we can spend time to research online the specific dietary supplements that can make a human barely scrape by without meat. Also convinient to have those nice veggie markets and veggie stores with abundant tofu products...

I might want to point out that a significant component of India's population subsists with little or no meat consumption.

However, there are caveats in regard to that like having a climate conducive to growing high-protein crops like soybeans and other legumes, abundant fruits and vegetables with better nutrient content than more nothern crops, and the fact that they do consume some fish, chicken, and other fowl along with nuts and spices as dietary supplements.

The climate in much of the Western world simply isn't particularly well suited to that kind of lifestyle by any stretch. It would be exceedingly difficult to duplicate that here.

I see a few ways to quibble with that line of thought, but none that are convincing, so I'll concede the point to you.

*whew* Thanks...it wasn't really something I want to analyse too deeply anyway.

I can't even really explain the deeper reasons the idea is repugnant to me as an aboriginal person without going into a long draw-out cultural comparison, but suffice it to say, it goes beyond intellectual notions of abuse, and beyond the simple 'ick' factor.

So indeed, it would be "easy" for everyone to become vegetarian if everyone lived in such societies and had the financial means. They don't. So your veggie utopia will have to wait until your commie utopia is able to change the way the world economy works... and of course, compel people to become vegetarians.

Even as a meat eater, I'll step in for a moment and point out that a great deal of people do in fact go without meat their entire lives, and do not suffer overly from malnutrition (and I'm not talking about people in the developed world). Beans, squash and corn or rice form a complete protein and more than adequately sustain you. Many traditional diets incorporate these complete proteins (those that are native to the particular environment). Various aboriginal peoples refer to themselves as People of the Corn, for a fundamental reason...meat might be something that supplements their diet from time to time, but it is not what sustains them.

And also, what Vetalia said :D

Actually, sex is only necessary for survival of one's genetic lineage. It's an imperative, but it's not necessary in the same way that eating food is necessary. If I don't get laid, I feel angst. If I don't eat, I starve to death. Difference.

Yes, but an irrelevant one.

Plenty of healthy people? Not if they think meat eating is equivalent to rape. They're fucking certifiable.

I don't. My point was actually quite different, dealing with the distinction between "harmless acts undertaken for a compelling reason" and "harmful actions taken for less-than-compelling reasons."

"Eating" and "meat-eating" are quite different things.

And plenty of healthy people, where? Affluent, cappucino-eating, suburbanite Western societies.

Mm-hm. And a whole lot of Hindus, in societies that were (and are) not affluent, not suburban, and not cappucino-eating, for centuries.

It's so nice that we can spend time to research online the specific dietary supplements that can make a human barely scrape by without meat. Also convinient to have those nice veggie markets and veggie stores with abundant tofu products...

Indeed. All aspects that would be intensified with a greater demand for vegetarian food.

All that is really necessary is a diverse diet, which is important for anyone, vegetarian or non-vegetarian.

So indeed, it would be "easy" for everyone to become vegetarian if everyone lived in such societies and had the financial means.

Even if you are right that it is impossible at this point for everyone to become a vegetarian, the fact remains that the minimization of meat consumption is a perfectly feasible goal, and one that could go a long way.

They don't. So your veggie utopia will have to wait until your commie utopia is able to change the way the world economy works... and of course, compel people to become vegetarians.

I recall making a point about the hypocrisy of opposing beastiality while supporting the mass slaughter and consumption of animals; I don't recall advocating compulsory vegetarianism.

The climate in much of the Western world simply isn't particularly well suited to that kind of lifestyle by any stretch.

Thankfully, with modern technology, that too is surpassable.

It would be exceedingly difficult to duplicate that here.

I doubt it would be much more difficult than the crop growth required for supporting an industrialized meat industry.

And since our level of meat consumption is substantially above what is healthy for humans anyway, at the very least a sharp reduction in meat consumption is justified - assuming, at least, the notion of animal welfare presupposed by opposition to beastiality.

I didn't intend to argue this out with regard to the relative merits of vegetarianism. I had enough of that the last time I tried.

All I sought to point out was that most people have a serious double standard when it comes to animal abuse that benefits them (the meat industry) versus animal abuse that is "disgusting" and supposedly marginalized (beastiality).

This remains true even if some degree of meat consumption is necessary, because even if that were the case, the means would still have to be made considerably more humane and the level of consumption would have to be significantly reduced.

If the English do not want sick bastards like him in their society, they have every right to deport him.

lol. When it comes to humans, between rape and murder, we punish more for murder than rape. Murder is considered a more severe crime than rape.

But when it comes to animals, we do not hesitate, we indeed revel in killing and eating animals for food but God forbid somebody has mere sex with an animal. He then becomes sick and perverted. :rolleyes: And don't throw "forced sex with an animal that cannot even speak out against the crime"........that happens when you are killing the animal for food too...and somehow killing and eating is ok but having sex is not..

There is something wrong with this.:p

Plenty of healthy people? Not if they think meat eating is equivalent to rape. They're fucking certifiable.

I think meat-eating (killing the animal) is worse than raping the animal. If you think that killing is ok but not having sex, then you are the person who needs some moral rethinking.


And plenty of healthy people, where? Affluent, cappucino-slurping, suburbanite Western societies. It's so nice that we can spend time to research online the specific dietary supplements that can make a human barely scrape by without meat. Also convinient to have those nice veggie markets and veggie stores with abundant tofu products...


What nonsense.

About 30 to 40 % of India's one billion are vegetarians. And they have been so for millenia before the internet was invented. And no, they don't have tofu stores in India. And judging by their survival, they have more than "barely scraped by without meat'.

lol. When it comes to humans, between rape and murder, we punish more for murder than rape. Murder is considered a more severe crime than rape.

But when it comes to animals, we do not hesitate, we indeed revel in killing and eating animals for food but God forbid somebody has mere sex with an animal. He then becomes sick and perverted. :rolleyes: And don't throw "forced sex with an animal that cannot even speak out against the crime"........that happens when you are killing the animal for food too...and somehow killing and eating is ok but having sex is not..

There is something wrong with this.:p

well... can you imagine carving the Roasted Turkey and everyone wondering if Dad injected his Special Sauce into the bird before cooking?

One of my friends was playing a Play By Mail empire building game. he had a cartoon of two farmers, one tending a flock of sheep and the other one running up to him.
"George! We just discovered another use for sheep... WOOL!"

well... can you imagine carving the Roasted Turkey and everyone wondering if Dad injected his Special Sauce into the bird before cooking?

One of my friends was playing a Play By Mail empire building game. he had a cartoon of two farmers, one tending a flock of sheep and the other one running up to him.
"George! We just discovered another use for sheep... WOOL!"

lol. Special sauce...:eek: :D

Why is six months always the punishment for doing something to a non-human animal? Killing, raping, baking in an oven...it's always six months.

He should have gone to Wales. ;)

The stereoytype of the Welsh raping sheep is old and boringly wrong.
We always make sure the sheep consents first