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Well, it's that time of the year again.

*burns down Parliament*

Right, time to pop V for Vendetta into the old DVD player.
Well, come on, that's what most folks outside the UK know it from, not for Guy Fawkes day.

Right, time to pop V for Vendetta into the old DVD player.
Well, come on, that's what most folks outside the UK know it from, not for Guy Fawkes day.

Why not read the comic instead?

Why not read the comic instead?

Actually, I quite liked the film. And comics are evil: too addictive when they are good. *looks at file cabinet and moving boxes against wall of room*

Yep! Time to remember that great martyr Guy Fawlkes, who tried to remind the ruling elite that you cannot trample on a minority forever without expecting to see some sort of comuppance. It's only a shame that he didn't blow those bastards to smithereens.

Yep! Time to remember that great martyr Guy Fawlkes, who tried to remind the ruling elite that you cannot trample on a minority forever without expecting to see some sort of comuppance. It's only a shame that he didn't blow those bastards to smithereens.

Biccie for you.

Yep! Time to remember that great martyr Guy Fawlkes, who tried to remind the ruling elite that you cannot trample on a minority forever without expecting to see some sort of comuppance. It's only a shame that he didn't blow those bastards to smithereens.

Except that he didn't really accomplish what he set out to do, as he didn't blow them up and was hanged, and most people simply view it as a day to have bonfires and fireworks.

Yep! Time to remember that great martyr Guy Fawlkes, who tried to remind the ruling elite that you cannot trample on a minority forever without expecting to see some sort of comuppance. It's only a shame that he didn't blow those bastards to smithereens.
You could also remember that he was hung out to dry (pardon the pun) by his fellow conspirators (many of whom had failed in an attempt to assassinate Elizabeth I) who eventually accidentally blew themselves up in Staffordshire. Not that they were complete amateurs or anything...:rolleyes:

Someone really should blow up parliament. It's too small for its current purposes. There are about 600 MPs in the UK, but the Commons only has a capacity of around 400. I personally blame Churchill for being more concerned about asthetics and tradtion that practicality. He the perfect oppurtunity to rebuilt the chamber according need when the chamber was destroyed in WWII. Pfft.

Oh yeah, Guy Fawkes day! I had forgotten when that was. I've been out of the UK for WAY too long...now I celebrate the 4th of July. ;) Ironic?

Is this an excuse to get drunk?

Did you know that he actually signed his name "Guido Fawkes"? I think that's awesome.

"Hey, Guido, you know dis guy?"

Except that he didn't really accomplish what he set out to do, as he didn't blow them up and was hanged, and most people simply view it as a day to have bonfires and fireworks.

Hanged, drawn and quartered as I remember :)

Someone really should blow up parliament. It's too small for its current purposes. There are about 600 MPs in the UK, but the Commons only has a capacity of around 400. I personally blame Churchill for being more concerned about asthetics and tradtion that practicality. He the perfect oppurtunity to rebuilt the chamber according need when the chamber was destroyed in WWII. Pfft.

646 to be precise. And that's only the Commons. The lords have around 750 members, which is rather a lot for a Prime Ministerial rubber stamp. I say go the other way round: cut the Commons to about 450-500 elected by a form of PR and abolish the Lords altogether.

Cheaper, no?

Is this an excuse to get drunk?

Is one needed?

1. Dragged on a hurdle (a wooden frame) to the place of execution. (drawn)
2. Hanged by the neck, but removed before death (hanged).
3. Disembowelled, and the genitalia and entrails burned before the victim's eyes (often mistaken for drawing).
4. Beheaded and the body divided into four parts (quartered).

Typically, the resulting five parts (i.e., the four quarters of the body and the head) were gibbeted (put on public display) in different parts of the city, town, or, in famous cases, country, to deter would-be traitors.

Guy Fawkes apparently broke his neck jumping off the gallows and died then, so he was lucky... Though of course he was horrifically tortured first.

Oh yeah, Guy Fawkes day! I had forgotten when that was. I've been out of the UK for WAY too long...now I celebrate the 4th of July. ;) Ironic?
so celebrate both!

how does one celebrate the 5th of November... and is there an "Offical Name" for that day.

1. Dragged on a hurdle (a wooden frame) to the place of execution. (drawn)
2. Hanged by the neck, but removed before death (hanged).
3. Disembowelled, and the genitalia and entrails burned before the victim's eyes (often mistaken for drawing).
4. Beheaded and the body divided into four parts (quartered).

Sounds like quite the party.

so celebrate both!

how does one celebrate the 5th of November... and is there an "Offical Name" for that day.
Typically you set off a shitload of fireworks long into the night keeping people living near you awake. It's known as Guy Fawkes Night or Bonfire Night (or, according to wikipedia, Fireworks Night, but I've never heard it referred to as that).

Usually there are big events organised by local councils or other organisations, where there'll be a massive firework display and bonfire.

Typically you set off a shitload of fireworks long into the night keeping people living near you awake. It's known as Guy Fawkes Night or Bonfire Night (or, according to wikipedia, Fireworks Night, but I've never heard it referred to as that).

Usually there are big events organised by local councils or other organisations, where there'll be a massive firework display and bonfire.

I remember someone saying that the kids make dolls and ask for pennies, then at night they burn the dolls in a bonfire? is that this celebration?

I always like Bonfire Night. There's something cool about standing in the freezing cold next to a giant fire, watching your friends and relatives leg it from the latest round of explosives they've just ignited.

And the failure of the plot is something we should always celebrate, as it highlights the ideal that in this country, changes of Government should come through the ballot box, never through violence.

I remember someone saying that the kids make dolls and ask for pennies, then at night they burn the dolls in a bonfire? is that this celebration?

That's the one.

"Penny for the Guy, guv'nor?"

I'd like to burn down the Parliament Building in Ottawa, you know... BBQ some MPs and roast that Prime Minister of ours that was marinated in some Albertan BBQ sauce of some sort.

Anyone with me? :)

That's the one.

"Penny for the Guy, guv'nor?"

ah...

so you celebrate the actions of a terrorist who tried to blow up parlament by begging for pennies... and then burning him in semi-effigy...




wow... that sounds so American... :p

ah...

so you celebrate the actions of a terrorist who tried to blow up parlament by begging for pennies... and then burning him in semi-effigy...
Well, technically the celebration is of the fact that he was caught and nastily executed (although that bit isn't really emphasised :p), rather than his actions.

wow... that sounds so American... :p
Well, in many ways there's no reason why America couldn't celebrate it; it was your Parliament as well. This was about 150 years before the Declaration of Independence, after all.

Well, technically the celebration is of the fact that he was caught and nastily executed (although that bit isn't really emphasised :p), rather than his actions.


Well, in many ways there's no reason why America couldn't celebrate it; it was your Parliament as well. This was about 150 years before the Declaration of Independence, after all.

Kewl...


err... can't sew... can I dress up a cabbage patch doll instead?

Nobody has posted this yet? :eek:

http://www.filmica.com/casiopea/archivos/v2.jpg

Penny for the guy?

Is this an excuse to get drunk?

Yes.

But it's only the 4th here. :(

Guy Fawkes was a hero. RIP.

I always like Bonfire Night. There's something cool about standing in the freezing cold next to a giant fire, watching your friends and relatives leg it from the latest round of explosives they've just ignited.
:)

My family and a family friendly to us have enough fireworks to make "Shock and Awe" look like a tea party.

Truly this will be a cool November the fifth.

I remember someone saying that the kids make dolls and ask for pennies, then at night they burn the dolls in a bonfire? is that this celebration?
That might be what used to happen, but what happens now is the kids all dress up in tracksuits and hoodies, stick a knife to your throat and say "Give us yer wallet n' phone or I'll fuckin' cut ya". Same principle, though - enterprising children looking for ways to make money out of their elders.

:)

My family and a family friendly to us have enough fireworks to make "Shock and Awe" look like a tea party.

Truly this will be a cool November the fifth.
*checks train times to York* :)

*checks train times to York* :)
Heh!

Any chance of a York NS meet, then?

Heh!

Any chance of a York NS meet, then?
Tomorrow? Unlikely. Maybe at some point in the next year though.

What a horrid day. God save the King!!!!

Tomorrow? Unlikely. Maybe at some point in the next year though.
Actually, Manchester or London is probably a better idea.

York is nice and small, but there's not much to do and most of the bubs are a bit crap tbh.

*wonders back onto the topic*

The US should probably celebrate this, too. It's fun, and you can create some jobs and things, as well as double the amount of fireworks sales per year!

What a horrid day. God save the King!!!!
Queen, I think you'll find.

Actually, Manchester or London is probably a better idea.

York is nice and small, but there's not much to do and most of the bubs are a bit crap tbh.
We've done Manchester (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437292) and London (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499325) (and Birmingham (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483045))

Skegness and Leicester were mooted as possible venues for the next one.

Sweet, yeah America should get in on this. But I think a holiday celebrating the capture of a "Terrorist" would be over some people's heads.

You know, all the fireworks are going off outside, I'm about to go to the pub, and I'm sitting here thinking 'is this the best holiday/event of the entire year?' :)

Is one needed?

not for me:p

Sweet, yeah America should get in on this. But I think a holiday celebrating the capture of a "Terrorist" would be over some people's heads.

I seem to remember learning that the colonies did, but stopped during the revolution. I think George Washington even asked his troops to not celebrate it. All in all, it's a fairly gruesome holiday. It celebrates the execution of a fairly inept terrorist, who was fighting not so much for equal treatment of the minority as he was fighting just for the minority. The character in V for Vendetta does not seem to emulate the original Guy Fawkes, as he is fighting for freedom, not Catholicism.

Remember, remember the fifth of November,
Gunpowder Treason and Plot,
I see no reason why gunpowder treason
should ever be forgot.

Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes,'twas his intent
to blow up the King and the Parliament.
Three score barrels of powder below,
Poor old England to overthrow:
By God's providence he was catch'd
With a dark lantern and burning match.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, make the bells ring.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!
Hip hip hoorah!

A penny loaf to feed the Pope.
A farthing o' cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down.
A faggot of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar.
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head.
Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead.
Hip hip hoorah!
Hip hip hoorah!

I used to love guy fawkes night too bad canada doesn't have it.... I'll light a candle or something and eat cotton candy.

They do it properly in Lewes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewes#Lewes_bonfire)

I used to love guy fox night too bad canada doesn't have it.... I'll light a candle or something and eat cotton candy.

Guy who, who is this guy fox?

oh you mean guy fawkes...

They do it properly in Lewes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewes#Lewes_bonfire)

I'm okay with just fireworks.

Guy who, who is this guy fox?

oh you mean guy fawkes...

I've been outta England for 6 years and I couldn't exactly remember the spelling :rolleyes:

I've been outta England for 6 years and I couldn't exactly remember the spelling :rolleyes:

:eek: you mean you left :eek:

i dont blame you, England smells, Wales on the other hand...

:eek: you mean you left :eek:

i dont blame you, England smells, Wales on the other hand...

not by choice, let me assure you.

Yep! Time to remember that great martyr Guy Fawlkes, who tried to remind the ruling elite that you cannot trample on a minority forever without expecting to see some sort of comuppance.
Actually, since he failed, wouldn't this be the day to remember that great King, James I, who successfully reminded the various minorities in his country that, yes, in fact, the ruling elite do own them?

Did you know that he actually signed his name "Guido Fawkes"? I think that's awesome.

"Hey, Guido, you know dis guy?"
There is one and only one Guido......


Father Guido Sarducci

http://www.spradley.org/alfa-romeo/guido_sarducci.jpeg

:D

aargh holiday that promotes racism.

Actually, since he failed, wouldn't this be the day to remember that great King, James I, who successfully reminded the various minorities in his country that, yes, in fact, the ruling elite do own them?

Hah hah! Good show, old boy!

:eek: you mean you left :eek:

i dont blame you, England smells, Wales on the other hand...

Yeah Wales with its famous... um... um... sheep... sounds great to me.

aargh holiday that promotes racism.

Racism? Catholics are a race now? Well, I guess it was only matter of time since they declared muslims a race :rolleyes:

Anyway, celebrating on a holiday doesn't mean celebrating the original reason for the holiday. I mean, I don't believe in Jesus, but I'm not going to give up my christmas holidays over it!

so celebrate both!

how does one celebrate the 5th of November... and is there an "Offical Name" for that day.

"Guy Fawkes Day"

The US should probably celebrate this, too. It's fun, and you can create some jobs and things, as well as double the amount of fireworks sales per year!

A lot of US states have nasty bans on fireworks (like mine). Bastards.

It celebrates the execution of a fairly inept terrorist, who was fighting not so much for equal treatment of the minority as he was fighting just for the minority.

Celebrating his execution? Why is it then celebrated on the 5th November, instead of the last day of January?

The point of Guy Fawkes day is not that someone tried to blow shit up, or that he was hung for it. The point comes from what followed - religious intolerance. The lesson is that we must not allow religious fanatics like Guy Fawkes to lead humanity down the path of religious war.

The lesson is that we must not allow religious fanatics like Guy Fawkes to lead humanity down the path of religious war.

Is it then okay to follow them what ain't religious fanatics down the path of religious war?

The point of Guy Fawkes day is not that someone tried to blow shit up, or that he was hung for it. The point comes from what followed - religious intolerance. The lesson is that we must not allow religious fanatics like Guy Fawkes to lead humanity down the path of religious war.

I may not remember correctly because I learned abouit it when I was young and they didn't really get into the substance behind it but wasn't Guy Fawkes just trying to defend himself and get equal rights?

So I guess it is now Nov. 5th in England seeing as how it is 3:30 AM their time, Happy Guy Fawkes day everybody!

I would be watching V for Vendetta right now but its 10:30PM and I live in an apartment, :mad:

Right, time to pop V for Vendetta into the old DVD player.
Well, come on, that's what most folks outside the UK know it from, not for Guy Fawkes day.


What an excellent movie!

Is it then okay to follow them what ain't religious fanatics down the path of religious war?

Yes. :p

I may not remember correctly because I learned abouit it when I was young and they didn't really get into the substance behind it but wasn't Guy Fawkes just trying to defend himself and get equal rights?

Certainly. Catholics were an oppressed people in England even before this event. But he was a nutjob and most Catholics rejected him.