NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, while randomly reading through the forum, a new type of political system popped into my mind.
(Disclaimer: I don't really think this would be good)
Basically, based on popular votes for parties, political parties would have in essence a draft. Each party would get to pick issues which their party is allowed to legislate over, at the disgression of their own legislature(republican legislature would vote on issues they were allowed, etc).

So, lets say there are 30 issues to be picked. From gun control, speech and its freedom thereof, to things like military spending and agricultural subsidies. A national vote is held, and the results are as such:

Republicans: 50%, 15 issues
Democrats: 40% 12 issues
Libertarians:10% 3 issues

Now, the republicans would get to pick three issues first. Then the democrats and republicans would switch off picking issues until they each reached three issues. Then all three parties would take turns, until there were no more issues.

The idea behind this, would be that the parties would each choose the issues most important to them, the things that they want to defend(Republicans might get gun control early on, while leaving abortion until later, because the former is protecting their rights, the latter would likely not(democrats probably wouldn't vote for mandatory abortions... probably). The majority of the country would get their priority of issues first, so it would be representational. Things would probably be done more easily, politically, though it would likely be changing quite lot, with parties wanting to fix things their opponents changed, if given a chance later.

Any takers?

Any takers?

no. and you left out the greens.

Stone temple Pilots song right?

no. and you left out the greens.

It was hypothetical. I left out a hundred parties other than the greens as well.

Stone temple Pilots song right?

Oh, Ill beg for you - you know Ill beg for you

Pick a song and sing a yellow nectarine
Take a bath, Ill drink the water that you leave
If you should die before me -
Ask if you can bring a friend
Pick a flower, hold your breath
And drift away...

Stone temple Pilots song right?

...what?

It was hypothetical. I left out a hundred parties other than the greens as well.

if this system were implicated the parties would just fragment and new ones would replace them...nothing would be accomplished except a needlessly more complex system. maybe I missed the benefit of this proposal, but what did you have in mind? issues that are important to one party tend to be pretty important to another...

This plan assumes that no two parties will ever favor the same issues, which is patently absurd. And the ability to lobby gives power to the people to push their agendas regardless of which party is in office. Your plan only makes sense in a system in which the people have no say in government, which rather negates the multi-party concept, doesn't it.

if this system were implicated the parties would just fragment and new ones would replace them...nothing would be accomplished except a needlessly more complex system. maybe I missed the benefit of this proposal, but what did you have in mind? issues that are important to one party tend to be pretty important to another...

Yes, but they would have to prioritize. Its late, and hard for me to explain in detail. I'll wake up tomorrow, and explain it a bit more.

Bah...thats a rubbish idea. A far better system would be if i was sole world leader. Dubya to Guantanamo!

This plan assumes that no two parties will ever favor the same issues, which is patently absurd. And the ability to lobby gives power to the people to push their agendas regardless of which party is in office. Your plan only makes sense in a system in which the people have no say in government, which rather negates the multi-party concept, doesn't it.

On the contrary. Yes, each party will have issues it will want to have, but can't, because the other parties got them first. It will force the parties to choose the issues most important to them. I don't know what you mean by lobbying.

I don't see why it wouldn't work in a republic. The people vote which parties they want in, the parties choose what issues they want control over.

I don't know what you mean by lobbying.

dear, not to be harsh, but that's one of those things you need to know to be remotely literate in politics.

the most important issue for republicans would be (well, *should* be, at least) fiscal conservatism. if they got that one issue, it would run over in a thousand other issues the other parties wanted to address. it simply wouldn't work to do it this way...though the sentiment of justice and compromise is admirable.

dear, not to be harsh, but that's one of those things you need to know to be remotely literate in politics.

the most important issue for republicans would be (well, *should* be, at least) fiscal conservatism. if they got that one issue, it would run over in a thousand other issues the other parties wanted to address. it simply wouldn't work to do it this way...though the sentiment of justice and compromise is admirable.

I didn't say I don't know what lobbying is, so don't act condesending. I don't understand how it applies here.

And the republicans wouldn't get to invent the issues. They would just get ones they got to pick out of. No issue would be so powerful as to give too much power in and of itself.

No. That would give way too much power to extremists.

Any takers?
Nonsense.

Oh, belive me, it's a pretty idea. But a nonsense nonetheless. It would probably lead to complete chaos.

Or maybe it wouldn't, but i doubt we'll be able to discover that.

Thanks, I'll stick with my own plans for revolution.

I love it.

The only problem is that it would be a bitch to keep the parties from encroaching on each other.

The courts could probably handle it.

...what?

Revolution

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution

Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right
All right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
You know we're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right
All right

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right
All right
All right
All right
All right
All right
All right

Well, while randomly reading through the forum, a new type of political system popped into my mind.
(Disclaimer: I don't really think this would be good)
Basically, based on popular votes for parties, political parties would have in essence a draft. Each party would get to pick issues which their party is allowed to legislate over, at the disgression of their own legislature(republican legislature would vote on issues they were allowed, etc).

So, lets say there are 30 issues to be picked. From gun control, speech and its freedom thereof, to things like military spending and agricultural subsidies. A national vote is held, and the results are as such:

Republicans: 50%, 15 issues
Democrats: 40% 12 issues
Libertarians:10% 3 issues

Now, the republicans would get to pick three issues first. Then the democrats and republicans would switch off picking issues until they each reached three issues. Then all three parties would take turns, until there were no more issues.

The idea behind this, would be that the parties would each choose the issues most important to them, the things that they want to defend(Republicans might get gun control early on, while leaving abortion until later, because the former is protecting their rights, the latter would likely not(democrats probably wouldn't vote for mandatory abortions... probably). The majority of the country would get their priority of issues first, so it would be representational. Things would probably be done more easily, politically, though it would likely be changing quite lot, with parties wanting to fix things their opponents changed, if given a chance later.

Any takers?

Good idea...probably only works in theory...

Revolution /snipIsn't that the Beatles?

Isn't that the Beatles?
Actually yes it is but STP did a cover of it.
Also note that Smokey the NSers sig says Land of Confusion by Disturbed.- It is an old Genesis song.:p