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Put it on Fox -- they're having one of their reporters waterboarded to see what it's really like.

I'm sure they'll just be spinning it in favor of Bush's policies, but hey, at least you get to see somebody from Fox tortured.

kidding... kidding...

I hate Fox news. I had to learn the hard way not to trust it, though...

Put it on Fox -- they're having one of their reporters waterboarded to see what it's really like.

I'm sure they'll just be spinning it in favor of Bush's policies, but hey, at least you get to see somebody from Fox tortured.

kidding... kidding...Really?
Well, Not far from kiddyporn TV now. Hooray! *pokes eyes out*

Waterboarded? What is it, and can it be done with common household items?

Yes, I'm sure it's exactly the same when you know what's going on and you know you're under no threat as it is when you're being held by a foreign army, with no guarantee of life, and knowing they want information from you.

Waterboarded? What is it, and can it be done with common household items?
Where have you been?

It's a highly controversial torture technique allegedly used by American interrogators on terrorist suspects. It has several forms, but mainly involves covering the nose and mouth, then pouring water over the face. This inhibits breathing and lets some water enter the throat, but not enough to be fatal.

As it is basically a simulation of drowning, it triggers a panic reflex -- causing intense, primal fear and terror. Not even hardened CIA operatives can withstand it for more than a minute or so (what the Fox reporter claimed nonwithstanding).

Where have you been?

It's a highly controversial torture technique allegedly used by American interrogators on terrorist suspects. It has several forms, but mainly involves covering the nose and mouth, then pouring water over the face. This inhibits breathing and lets some water enter the throat, but not enough to be fatal.

As it is basically a simulation of drowning, it triggers a panic reflex -- causing intense, primal fear and terror. Not even hardened CIA operatives can withstand it for more than a minute or so (what the Fox reporter claimed nonwithstanding).

So, that is a yes to the second question?

It's a highly controversial torture technique

Actually, it does not even remotely border on torture. It causes no physical damage whatsoever, nor does it cause pain.

Actually, it does not even remotely border on torture. It causes no physical damage whatsoever, nor does it cause pain.

Pfft. I am not persuaded.

Actually, it does not even remotely border on torture. It causes no physical damage whatsoever, nor does it cause pain.

If I played *insert the band you hate most here* to you at a loud volume for 16 hours a day, would you consider that torture? It doesn't cause physical harm but it'd be very distressing after a while.

If I played *insert the band you hate most here* to you at a loud volume for 16 hours a day, would you consider that torture? It doesn't cause physical harm but it'd be very distressing after a while.

Well, concieveably if it was over 120 decibels it could cause pain, and prolonged exposure to loud noises below the threshold of pain can still cause hearing damage.

What's distressing is "Bannaphone" playing at a mild volume, continously, in your head, for hours....ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, bananaphone...

Well, concieveably if it was over 120 decibels it could cause pain, and prolonged exposure to loud noises below the threshold of pain can still cause hearing damage.

What's distressing is "Bannaphone" play at a mild volumne, continously, in your head, for hours....ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, bananaphone...

True, but at a lower decible the psychological damage would take effect long before the physical damage would set in.

True, but at a lower decible the psychological damage would take effect long before the physical damage would set in.

Not necessarily, especially considering he has time to sleep. He may just end up liking the song, or tuning it out...

Not necessarily, especially considering he has time to sleep. He may just end up liking the song, or tuning it out...

I wanted to avoid the sleep deprivation thing as that is obviously physically harmful,

*crossedfingers* Please be O'Reily. Please be O'Reily. *crossedfingers*

*crossedfingers* Please be O'Reily. Please be O'Reily. *crossedfingers*

It's Fox... so it'll obviously be Colmes (like the time they made him keep radioactive material in his pocket for a segment).

Actually, it does not even remotely border on torture. It causes no physical damage whatsoever, nor does it cause pain.

I have to assume that you are speaking about this subject having personally been waterboarded?
Perhaps you have yourself nearly drowned?
My mother and sister were lifeguards.
I once nearly drowned when a boat I was on sank.

Drowning, or nearly doing so from my experience, is terrifying.

Fox is behind the times, I did a transcription for a Current TV documentary where the host got waterboarded. Yeah, that's pretty much torture. Sorry.

Drowning, or nearly doing so from my experience, is terrifying.

For some people, small, closed spaces are terrifying. That doesn't make putting somebody in a jail cell "torture."

It's obvious that MTAE doesn't consider being repeatedly near-drowned to be torture. No, it's playtime, Palestinian hangings? Happy fun rope game!

Torture is having to live in a country where icky homos get married.

For some people, small, closed spaces are terrifying. That doesn't make putting somebody in a jail cell "torture."

Locking a claustophobic(sp?) person in a coffin until they talk would be torture though.

Please tell me it'll be Bill O'Reilly.

For some people, small, closed spaces are terrifying. That doesn't make putting somebody in a jail cell "torture."It would for those who are indeed terrified of small, enclosed spaces, especially if done so knowing the effect it would have on such a person.

A talented torturer tailors his work to the individual. The best torture leaves one physically whole, but willing to give the interrogator any information required.

A talented torturer tailors his work to the individual. The best torture leaves one physically whole, but willing to give the interrogator any information required.

I consider that coercive interrogation, but not torture. Torture implies that some terrible physical or mental violence is being committed against a person, not that they are shut in a small, enclosed space or have a small amount of water trickled down their throat.

Actually, it does not even remotely border on torture. It causes no physical damage whatsoever, nor does it cause pain.
Can we have a clip of your parents doing this to you, then, and you feeling no pain?

and you feeling no pain?

I think that everybody can agree that pouring a bit of water down someone's throat does not cause them great anguish. It is designed to elicit a panic response, not to physically harm someone.

I think that everybody can agree that pouring a bit of water down someone's throat does not cause them great anguish. It is designed to elicit a panic response, not to physically harm someone.
Proof, please. Get it on camera. On a videophone. Whatever.

You will choke, and it will be horrible.

Torture implies that some terrible physical or mental violence is being committed against a person, not that they are shut in a small, enclosed space or have a small amount of water trickled down their throat.

I think that everybody can agree that pouring a bit of water down someone's throat does not cause them great anguish. It is designed to elicit a panic response, not to physically harm someone.

Why, look, it's the master of hypocrisy.

Waterboarding triggers a sever, visceral response, both physical and psychological. It is among the most traumatic non-lethal interrogation techniques known. It is by no means trivial or harmless, and you'd do well to shut up about it unless you have some firsthand experience with it, or testimony from someone else who has experienced it.

One of the techniques the Navy uses in SERE and SEAL training is to loop the sound of a baby screaming/crying. They loop it for upwards of 36 hours, even at low volumes, it is very distressing to those who undergo it. I've known two people subjected to it, and they would call it nothing less than torture, even though no pain or trauma is involved.

Waterboarding is the same principle. There is no pain or trauma involved, but its primary purpose is to evoke a visceral reaction. The goal is to make the recipient of the "procedure" spill the contents of his or her memory. It's barbaric and has no place in modern society.

Put it on Fox -- they're having one of their reporters waterboarded to see what it's really like.

I'm sure they'll just be spinning it in favor of Bush's policies, but hey, at least you get to see somebody from Fox tortured.

kidding... kidding...

they should just take a drill and torture him,you know like the benovelent ones do...drill into the knees,elbows,skull.

hopefully you will cheer or lead the water boarding,torture of your arch enemy..the right/fox reporter...lol...your a fucking asshole.

it's ok since they are of a differing political persuasion then you...so torture is then acceptable?

people like you make me laugh and conversely vomit.

get a grip asshole...torture is wrong...period...but apparently it is ok to prove your stupid political point...and your better then what you condemn?

ask your proffesor if it is ok to torture innocents if they dissagrre with your political slant.

you sound like a fucking dumb ass kid that just hates bush..like i do...but you seem to perpetrste the same horror...to further your agenda.

get a grip you hypocrite.

people are people...and when you get a drill bit driven into your knee,,it hurts...left or right.

but the martyrs you love...think nothing of it,i can guarntee we dont do it willy nilly...they do it for fun

go over there and tell me how nice those folks are..then come her and see if we drill holes in you..

your a fucking retard if you dont know the difference.

makes you feel all altruistic...but your a twit...
your a dumb ass.

torture is bad...but you seem to gloat at our guys getting tortured(which is ok) but god forbid we do the same game...grow the fuck up...your an asshole


whats good for the goose is good for the gnder.


want us to be as shitty as your heroes...your fuckked....

best thing can think of...go to iraq and tell the murdeous scum your from the west...see how your treated...then compare the way we treat the enemy.

you will ne shocked...god forbid,you jeolous pos...america is kinda fair...compare that to the buthchers over their.

i know it sucks to like america,and love the jihadis...take your pichk you dumb ass.

must be nice to be hatefull and jealous at all costs,fucking siding with evil cause you are resentful of america...sad!

One of the techniques the Navy uses in SERE and SEAL training is to loop the sound of a baby screaming/crying. They loop it for upwards of 36 hours, even at low volumes, it is very distressing to those who undergo it.

That sounds like a Merzbow concert. :D

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Uhh, I think he's kidding. Obviously torture is wrong, but the guy from FOX volunteered to be tortured. You're allowed to cheer for that, just like I can feel no shame about watching a video from a BDSM porn site (again, the boy/girl crying and begging agreed to be put in such a position and afterwards they get to go home). When the prisoners start giving consent, then they're equal.

Until then, the OP is (hopefully) just kidding, and being a dick, not a monster.

I consider that coercive interrogation, but not torture. Torture implies that some terrible physical or mental violence is being committed against a person, not that they are shut in a small, enclosed space or have a small amount of water trickled down their throat.

"coercise interrogation"...:headbang: I sincerely hope you're playing devil's advocate here. to say nothing of how horrible it must be for the people undergoing it - this is harmful to the people doing it. the psycho-spiritual effects of being encouraged and supported to do something that horrible to another human being would be awful. we're not just torturing others, we're twisting the young men sent over there - doing permanent psychological damage to them.

"coercise interrogation"...:headbang: I sincerely hope you're playing devil's advocate here. to say nothing of how horrible it must be for the people undergoing it - this is harmful to the people doing it. the psycho-spiritual effects of being encouraged and supported to do something that horrible to another human being would be awful. we're not just torturing others, we're twisting the young men sent over there - doing permanent psychological damage to them.

Nothing helps a nation realize how wrong they've been more then a crime-wave of sadistic serial killers.

Coersive interrogation is a cute euphemism though.

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Alright, I admit that I kinda rushed my first post, to get it posted before the segment aired. So, maybe I wasn't clear enough. To clear things up, here's my OP, with a teensy tweak:

Put it on Fox -- they're having one of their reporters waterboarded to see what it's really like.

I'm sure they'll just be spinning it in favor of Bush's policies, but hey, at least you get to see somebody from Fox tortured.

<<<ATTENTION: THAT LAST SENTENCE WAS IN JEST. I DO NOT ADVOCATE THE TORTURE OF FOX NEWS REPORTERS. IT WAS JUST A SARCASTIC, OVER-EXAGGERATED JAB IMPLYING THAT I DISLIKE THEM. THAT IS ALL.>>>

Where have you been?

It's a highly controversial torture technique allegedly used by American interrogators on terrorist suspects. It has several forms, but mainly involves covering the nose and mouth, then pouring water over the face. This inhibits breathing and lets some water enter the throat, but not enough to be fatal.

As it is basically a simulation of drowning, it triggers a panic reflex -- causing intense, primal fear and terror. Not even hardened CIA operatives can withstand it for more than a minute or so (what the Fox reporter claimed nonwithstanding).

...that is one of the few things that has actually, truly shocked me. I am rarely shocked in the disturbed sense, unlike most people...but that is just so cruel and sadistic...I don't see how anyone can approve of such a thing for ANYBODY...you could be the freaking Anti-Christ(not that I'm a Christian, but it's the absolute worst kind of being I can imagine due to my cultural background, merely used for emphasis)and not deserve that.

Of course, no one deserves torture of any kind, no matter what they have done, in my mind.

The men who trained the US interrogation specialists were Vietnamese, and did serve their country during their war of defense. The irony!

"How effective do you think this is?"
"Ah. Back 1970, was Private Ramirez, white boy marine from Iowa...what?"

Waterboarded? What is it, and can it be done with common household items?

:eek: I'm a bit surprised.

But here you go:

6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.

"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=1322866

Actually, it does not even remotely border on torture. It causes no physical damage whatsoever, nor does it cause pain.

When you volunteer to post a video of yourself demonstrating that it causes no pain or mental distress, and can withstand more than Khalid Sheik Mohammed's 2 minutes of torture, then I'll consider that you aren't trolling yet another thread.

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AJ, are you OK. That's the second post of your's I've seen recently that seems to be completely out of character.

AJ, are you OK. That's the second post of your's I've seen recently that seems to be completely out of character.
I think he's channelling Eutrusca.

Ah, that's cute. Means, once again, defending the indefensible.

You know, you seem somewhat like Bizarro, from Superman.

Really: Superman fights strongly for truth, justice and the American way. You fight weakly for pedophilia, torture, butchering of civil rights, and, basically, everything that's evil and/or pretty much unAmerican.

And I say that as a Brazilian, one that seems to know much - MUCH - more about the true spirit of the country you CLAIM TO favor than you do.

Put it on Fox -- they're having one of their reporters waterboarded to see what it's really like.

I'm sure they'll just be spinning it in favor of Bush's policies, but hey, at least you get to see somebody from Fox tortured.

kidding... kidding...

Well, I wouldn't put much stock in it anyway. This guy already works at FOX. What more can they do to him?

Waterboarded? What is it, and can it be done with common household items?

it baisically is a mock execution that involves being tied to a board, and made to think you are drowning even though you are not.

...that is one of the few things that has actually, truly shocked me. I am rarely shocked in the disturbed sense, unlike most people...but that is just so cruel and sadistic...I don't see how anyone can approve of such a thing for ANYBODY...you could be the freaking Anti-Christ(not that I'm a Christian, but it's the absolute worst kind of being I can imagine due to my cultural background, merely used for emphasis)and not deserve that.

Of course, no one deserves torture of any kind, no matter what they have done, in my mind.

And this is where you loose the debate when arguing with a conservative. Contrary to the attempts at restrained criticism I've seen from most self-described leftists, right-wingers are evil monstrous people with no sense of right and wrong. They think that you deserve horrible painful deaths for disapproving of their religion, their country, some of them even say that people who cause accidental deaths deserve the death penalty because "either he willingly commited murder and deserves to die, or he's too stupid to live and we should get rid of him."

It isn't about who deserves to be killed and tortured. It's just that they really want to kill and torture, and will take any excuse as an opportunity to do so. Even by proxies such as the US government.

When you try to argue about what people deserve, you are appealing to morality. Which right-wingers don't have.

They do have a shadow of a sense of self-preservation and that's your best bet for teaching them that torture is wrong. But even that is hampered by the fact that they don't want to believe that torture is counter productive. It's like trying to explain to a Jenny Craig customer that Reduced Fat Oreos do not make it ok to eat twice as much. Yes right-wingers want to preserve their own lives more than they want to inflict suffering, but they reeeeeally want to inflict suffering, so if you give them any hope that they'll get to, they'll fight long and hard to preserve that chance.

Perhaps you guys missed this.


Put it on Fox -- they're having one of their reporters waterboarded to see what it's really like.

I'm sure they'll just be spinning it in favor of Bush's policies, but hey, at least you get to see somebody from Fox tortured.

kidding... kidding...

Using advanced imaging technology, we discovered a hidden phrase:

Put it on Fox -- they're having one of their reporters waterboarded to see what it's really like.

I'm sure they'll just be spinning it in favor of Bush's policies, but hey, at least you get to see somebody from Fox tortured.

kidding... kidding...

Perhaps you guys missed this.

Using advanced imaging technology, we discovered a hidden phrase:

It wasn't even invisible. It was in small font, grey, and italics ( like this ), but there nonetheless. Hell, aj what's-his-name quoted it intact in his little rant against me.

Where have you been?

It's a highly controversial torture technique allegedly used by American interrogators on terrorist suspects. It has several forms, but mainly involves covering the nose and mouth, then pouring water over the face. This inhibits breathing and lets some water enter the throat, but not enough to be fatal.

As it is basically a simulation of drowning, it triggers a panic reflex -- causing intense, primal fear and terror. Not even hardened CIA operatives can withstand it for more than a minute or so (what the Fox reporter claimed nonwithstanding).close, but according to wiki...
The waterboarding technique, characterized in 2005 by former CIA director Porter J. Goss as a "professional interrogation technique",[3] is described as follows by journalists Brian Ross and Richard Esposito: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in.[4]

Actually, it does not even remotely border on torture. It causes no physical damage whatsoever, nor does it cause pain.it does. improper Waterboarding can...
cut off the person's breathing, causing brain damage or death
improper restraints can break bones.
water can still enter the lungs.

Pfft. I am not persuaded.not surprised. :p

It wasn't even invisible. It was in small font, grey, and italics ( like this ), but there nonetheless. Hell, aj what's-his-name quoted it intact in his little rant against me.I know you were kidding.

hell, if anyone would do that to a Fox Reporter... I wouldn't be Fox news. :p

I remember Mythbusters doing the Chinese Water torture... that was surprising.

Where have you been?

It's a highly controversial torture technique allegedly used by American interrogators on terrorist suspects. It has several forms, but mainly involves covering the nose and mouth, then pouring water over the face. This inhibits breathing and lets some water enter the throat, but not enough to be fatal.

As it is basically a simulation of drowning, it triggers a panic reflex -- causing intense, primal fear and terror. Not even hardened CIA operatives can withstand it for more than a minute or so (what the Fox reporter claimed nonwithstanding).

That's stupid. If I was going to torture someone I'd just burn them with hot steel or something. Brand them like cattle! This waterboarding is probably worse though. And I guess these people don't want to leave marks.

I'm just kidding .. sorta.

That's stupid. If I was going to torture someone I'd just burn them with hot steel or something. Brand them like cattle! This waterboarding is probably worse though. And I guess these people don't want to leave marks.

I'm just kidding .. sorta.

Sorta, indeed. The whole point is that they can inflict the same psychological trauma without the physical evidence.

Sorta, indeed. The whole point is that they can inflict the same psychological trauma without the physical evidence.

IMO the 'waterboarding' would be far worse psychologically, than burning someone. I know what you are saying though.

If I played *insert the band you hate most here* to you at a loud volume for 16 hours a day, would you consider that torture? It doesn't cause physical harm but it'd be very distressing after a while.

so your take on it is that everyone should never have to feel an ounce of discomfort?

IMO the 'waterboarding' would be far worse psychologically, than burning someone. I know what you are saying though.

I would suppose that the idea stems from two points, that being plausible deniability (we didn't torture him, no marks see?), and the fact that with most physical torture, there might be a risk of killing the person from shock. Although that probably gets avoided with torturers of some skill.