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I can't believe the arrogance.

blican candidates are battling to save their seats in Congress amidst a backlash over the war in Iraq, Vice President Dick Cheney told ABC News the administration is going "full speed ahead" with its policy.

"We've got the basic strategy right," Cheney told George Stephanopoulos in an interview to be broadcast Sunday on "This Week."

Watch the full interview this Sunday morning, including the vice president's candid comments on John Kerry's gaffe this week and Hillary Clinton.

October was one of the deadliest months in Iraq for U.S. troops. Cheney said that while the policy may not be popular, "This is the right thing for us to be doing."

In the most recent ABC News/Washington Post poll, 57 percent of Americans said that the war was not worth fighting. The poll also showed President Bush's job approval rating dropped to 37 percent, the second-lowest mark of his presidency.

Cheney said that even with pollsters predicting Democrats will likely make gains in both houses of Congress on Tuesday, voter sentiment would not influence Bush's Iraq policy.

"It may not be popular with the public — it doesn't matter in the sense that we have to continue the mission and do what we think is right. And that's exactly what we're doing," Cheney said. "We're not running for office. We're doing what we think is right."


First Reaction to Vanity Fair Report
Cheney also gave his first reaction to the Vanity Fair report that two of the Pentagon's strongest supporters of the war, Richard Perle and Ken Adelman, now say they would not have supported the invasion if they had known how incompetently the administration would handle it.

Cheney said, "I haven't seen the piece I'm not going to comment on it. I think there is no question that it is a tough war but it is also the right thing to do," he said. "And it is very important that we complete the mission."

Cheney asserted that the anti-war message is coming primarily from the Democrats, despite their own policy disagreements.

"They haven't offered up a plan, but they have several different positions — withdraw, withdraw at some future date, cut off funding," Cheney said. "The fact of the matter is this is the right thing for us to be doing. We need to succeed here, it has a direct bearing on how we do around the world on the global war on terror."

On another subject, the vice president touted the Bush administration's economic policies, arguing that if Democrats take control of Congress, the tax cuts he and the president deem essential will not be extended. Cheney then complained that the White House has not been given enough credit on the economy, which he described as going "gangbusters."

When asked why he thinks the president doesn't get enough credit for the economy and the recent news that the nation has a 4.4 percent unemployment rate Cheney said, "Well, you guys don't help," referring to the media.

"What's news is if there's bad news, and that gets coverage," he said. "But the good news that's out there day after day after day, doesn't get as much attention."

http://a.abcnews.com/images/ThisWeek/abc_tw_cheney_061103_sp.jpg

Wait, what mission is he talking about completing? Everyone knows we already had MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Maybe he could be more specific to the unwashed majorities who don't matter.

Give that man a slap. With a wet haddock. But not from an overfished region.

I find it funny that Bush & Co. sing the praises of democracy and pledge to spread it throughout the world, and yet rule like dictators -- ignoring the people in favor of what they and their deluded, rapidly shrinking cadre believe is the "right thing to do". A bunch of filthy hypocrites, they are.

Give that man a slap. With a wet haddock. But not from an overfished region.

TREASON!

TREASON!
Incorrect!

If you'd ever have been slapped with a fish, you'd know that it was weird, wet and wonderful, without wounds.

The repubs will win, and I'm sure of it. Why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

Incorrect!

If you'd ever have been slapped with a fish, you'd know that it was weird, wet and wonderful, without wounds.

...sedition then?

...sedition then?
Not even that.

It's more "being hilarious".

Not even that.

It's more "being hilarious".

Christ, I don't know. I'm not used to any of this yet.

My black cape and helmet don't even fit properly.

The Democrats might win the House of Representatives but definitely not the Senate. This is because a minority of people realize that we must stay the course in Iraq for the good of Iraqi people and can see past their own narrow self-interest.

Christ, I don't know. I'm not used to any of this yet.

My black cape and helmet don't even fit properly.
No, you more pretend to be a journalist, and then, when he's on stage making some bullshit claim about success in Iraq - SLAP!

And then run like hell, obviously, before you get gunned down by his bodyguards...

The Democrats might win the House of Representatives but definitely not the Senate. This is because a minority of people realize that we must stay the course in Iraq for the good of Iraqi people and can see past their own narrow self-interest.

NYT/CBS poll (http://http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/polls_index.html?excamp=GGGNsenatepoll)

"The majority of people"? Not even Bush is saying that any more, from his bully pulpit of 37% approval.

Did you get around to counting how many of the 170-odd responses to your thread said "you are a troll" ?

Wait, what mission is he talking about completing? Everyone knows we already had MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Maybe he could be more specific to the unwashed majorities who don't matter.

i know youre joking but really what IS our mission now?

we did what we went there to do. saddam hussien is removed from power and standing trial for his crimes against his own people. iraq is no longer a threat to us (not that it ever was, but it sure isnt now).

so what more do we need to do to WIN?

make iraq into a little america? make them love us? install a puppet government that will give us whatever we want? bomb the populace into peaceful submission?

at this point i dont see any of that happening if we continue to follow the bush plan of creating democracy through occupation.

TREASON!

We must bug and spy on him er I mean "make sure America is safe".

iraq is no longer a threat to us (not that it ever was, but it sure isnt now).
Iraq is now a greater threat then it was before. It is the terrorist training ground and they seem to be getting good at it?

It's like a Three Stooges short.

Larry, Curly, Moe: Stay the course!
Moe: We never said stay the course.
Curly: We're staying the course, we've got it right.
Larry: ererer... you're Nazis-appeaser, if you think we shouldn't stay the course. *BONK*

I'll have to watch it, just to see Stephanopoulis do a spit take.

Cheney then complained that the White House has not been given enough credit on the economy, which he described as going "gangbusters."

When asked why he thinks the president doesn't get enough credit for the economy and the recent news that the nation has a 4.4 percent unemployment rate Cheney said, "Well, you guys don't help,Yeh, what part of the "job-less" recovery memo did he not understand. A low unemployment rate just reflects that people have stopped looking.

"The majority of people"? Not even Bush is saying that any more, from his bully pulpit of 37% approval.

Posting a functional link would really help your cause. Seriously, though, nobody in their right mind would actually believe that the Democrats are going to win the Senate. The most accurate information I found was the following.

http://electionprojection.com/

Please, post a link that's not biased to your side, and posts sources of its own.


http://www.electoral-vote.com

If you want to see which polls they used to get their projection data, just click on the state.

He does not advertise for either party, and all of his data is out in the open, so you can see where he got it from.



your site, on the other hand, says (and I quote):

It is coming down to the wire. If you want the GOP to hold the House and the Senate please click here to read how you can help make that a reality.

yea: that's unbiased information :rolleyes:

see past their own narrow self-interest.
Wait, in your 'Danger 911 lol" thread you basically claim that the only reason to live is to serve your own interests, and now this?

Careful what you say about Cheney:
http://thebigs.typepad.com/bigenwald_family_adventur/images/ten_ways_cheney_can_kill_you_2.jpg

i know youre joking but really what IS our mission now?

we did what we went there to do. saddam hussien is removed from power and standing trial for his crimes against his own people. iraq is no longer a threat to us (not that it ever was, but it sure isnt now).

so what more do we need to do to WIN?

make iraq into a little america? make them love us? install a puppet government that will give us whatever we want? bomb the populace into peaceful submission?

at this point i dont see any of that happening if we continue to follow the bush plan of creating democracy through occupation.

I agree, and was asking that right after we captured Saddam. People today sometimes are willing to give up the "WMD" and "UN Violations" and "supporting terrorists" bits but they still cling to "getting rid of Saddam." One wonders just how many times he has to be gotten rid of...

your site, on the other hand, says (and I quote):

Yes, he is honest enough to admit that he is biased towards the GOP, yet he states that all his data is completely impartial, which it is. Your guy, on the other hand, attempts to obscure his bias, yet he is not successful in doing so. Allow me to quote from the site.

Briefly summarized, expected turnout, although pitiful (32%), will be better than usual, and highly Democratic. The young voters give President Bush a D+ grade on Iraq and a C- overall and think it is time for a change. If the Democrats could mobilize these young, but apathetic, voters, they could win big time. Is giving out free beer in front of polling places legal?

Also, the site hugely caters to Democrats. In a poll asking which party should control the Senate, only 8% said Republicans. Yeah, really objective site, there.

Yes, he is honest enough to admit that he is biased towards the GOP, yet he states that all his data is completely impartial, which it is. Your guy, on the other hand, attempts to obscure his bias, yet he is not successful in doing so. Allow me to quote from the site.

Briefly summarized, expected turnout, although pitiful (32%), will be better than usual, and highly Democratic. The young voters give President Bush a D+ grade on Iraq and a C- overall and think it is time for a change. If the Democrats could mobilize these young, but apathetic, voters, they could win big time. Is giving out free beer in front of polling places legal?

Also, the site hugely caters to Democrats. In a poll asking which party should control the Senate, only 8% said Republicans. Yeah, really objective site, there.

How does that make the site opinionated? It is a statement of what others think, not necessarily the site.
You, sir, are a troll. That has been proven over and over during the course of your membership here.

Dems had better win the house and get us out of this bullshit that's wasting our time and money. You really think it's the right thing to do, you ought to have your head checked because it's wasting millions of YOUR taxpayer dollars that we could be spending on projects here in the homeland, like, oh say, the public education system, or social security, or some damn thing this country still has to offer that the War hasn't taken away from us what with all these damned debts we've racked up.

the public education system,

That's like throwing money down the well. We need to privatize our educational system instead of ineffectually throwing money at it; you can't do that and hope the problem will go away, because it won't.

or social security

We need to seriously reform it, or abolish it completely. It completely detracts from the virtues of personal freedoms upon which this country was founded.

That's like *snips*

That's like, repeating yourself ad infinitum, MTAE. Doesn't it ever get old?

That's like, repeating yourself ad infinitum, MTAE. Doesn't it ever get old?

If people ask me the same questions, I'll give the same answers. If people suggest the same invalid solutions, I will argue against them. It's not my fault that others are repetitive.

Careful what you say about Cheney:
http://thebigs.typepad.com/bigenwald_family_adventur/images/ten_ways_cheney_can_kill_you_2.jpg

You win the this and any other thread referencing Dick Cheney.

If people ask me the same questions, I'll give the same answers. If people suggest the same invalid solutions, I will argue against them. It's not my fault that others are repetitive.

So you're saying it never gets old. *taps fingers on tabletop* Okay, just checking.

Yes, he is honest enough to admit that he is biased towards the GOP, yet he states that all his data is completely impartial, which it is. Your guy, on the other hand, attempts to obscure his bias, yet he is not successful in doing so. Allow me to quote from the site.

Briefly summarized, expected turnout, although pitiful (32%), will be better than usual, and highly Democratic. The young voters give President Bush a D+ grade on Iraq and a C- overall and think it is time for a change. If the Democrats could mobilize these young, but apathetic, voters, they could win big time. Is giving out free beer in front of polling places legal?

Also, the site hugely caters to Democrats. In a poll asking which party should control the Senate, only 8% said Republicans. Yeah, really objective site, there.

the people who read it (and vote in his little question there) are democrats, yes.

that blurb you quoted? you forgot to mention that it was in the "political news" section, and was a summary of a report done by researchers at Harvard.

electoral-vote lists all his sources, as well as the raw data he uses to get his polls. If you want to, you can download the raw data for yourself and run the algorithms yourself, and you will see that his conclusions are not skewed in any way.

frankly, your site takes its poll data from god knows where, and I highly doubt that it cuts out pollsters working for the people it likes.


here is a list of every single poll he's used in this election so far: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2006/Info/sen_polls.html

please: tell me which ones are biased