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I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.

Well, you're apparently an attention whore, of that you provide proof...

Nah, calling you a troll gives you too much credit. You're more like a kobold.

/D&D geek

:p

I don't think your a troll, I have seen all your posts and impart from one or two threads, you are not some crazy extreme right winger. You are actually quite moderate compared to those sorts of people, though your opinions are slightly peculiar.

Most of the people on this forum can't take an opinion which is different or conflicts their opinion, and must assume they are either crazy or a troll. It is pretty sad really.

I am not a Troll, People!

Yes, you are.

Nah, calling you a troll gives you too much credit. You're more like a kobold.

/D&D geek

:p

One of those really annoying kobolds with crossbows. I hate those things.

Well, you're apparently an attention whore, of that you provide proof...

Indeed. The best thing is that I can get it for free on these forums.

One of those really annoying kobolds with crossbows. I hate those things.

In his case, it's more like a rusty dagger or short sword, at best. ;)

Neither am I! People are just jealous of our good looks, and intelligence. Plus we are promise a spot in heaven next to GWB :) AMEN

Look at it this way :

By calling you a troll, many NSers demonstrate their willingness to assume that you are mentally stable and in possession of a brain. ;)

Take all the 'No' votes as a compliment.

MtaE, did you seriously vote that you believe what you say?

Im not even a liberal, and I think you make up just about everything coming out of your mouth for the purpose of entertaining yourself on the responses. You are a troll.

I don't think you're a troll. Just a bit on the insane side.

MtaE, did you seriously vote that you believe what you say?

I believe everything he says :)

Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.
I don't recall Topeka as being a bastion of ultra-elitism, fear-mongering, and "compassionate slavery".

But that's just me.

Look at it this way :

By calling you a troll, many NSers demonstrate their willingness to assume that you are mentally stable and in possession of a brain. ;)

Conversely, by assuming that I am a troll, they are assuming that people who share my views are neither mentally stable nor in possession of a brain. This gross ridiculing of right-wing ideas is, I must admit, quite saddening. It is not better than bigotry, but I guess that fits in to the racist Democratic position.

MtaE, did you seriously vote that you believe what you say?

Next Poll: Do you believe that MtaE believes that he believes what he says?

MtaE, did you seriously vote that you believe what you say?

MeansToAnEnd believes that he/she believes what he/she says. That is truly shocking.

He is not a whore, unlike your mother.

What a spectacular show of linguistic skill!!

What a spectacular show of linguistic skill!!

:gundge: :mp5: :sniper:

MTAE+NEOCON PRIDE= BFF! <3

You know what else is insane? Affirmative action.

You wanna know what ELSE is insane? The Theory of Evolution.

He is not a whore, unlike your mother.

That's fucked up. You should apologize.

He is not a whore,

Prostitute, call girl, it's all the same.

unlike your mother.

If you think I'm going to defend the bearer of the ovarian Bastille I escaped from, you are sorely mistaken.

:gundge: :mp5: :sniper:

MTAE+NEOCON PRIDE= BFF! <3

The gun smilies only add to the spectacle presented in your statement. lol

I don't recall Topeka as being a bastion of ultra-elitism, fear-mongering, and "compassionate slavery".

I am certainly not ultra-elitist, although that is not something I can say of most liberals. I believe everyone should be judged by how hard he/she is willing to work to succeed -- those who assiduously apply themselves and succeed in our highly competitive world deserve to be lauded. Many of my fellow Topekans believe in the ideals of personal responsibility and freedom, too.

Furthermore, we are not fear-mongers. We simply realize that a grave threat to the future of the US is posed by the terrorists. They are diabolically plotting our destruction from afar, awaiting their opportunity to massacre more innocents. We need a strong leader who is willing to shoulder the burden of protecting us against the nihilistic fiends.

No, most Topekans do not agree with "compassionate slavery," although a small minority to agree with slavery based on race. However, at my high school a couple years ago, 1/3 of seniors agreed with the idea that a system of slavery needed to be created.

ORLY?



Yeah..Im sorry that your mom is a whore, and can't keep her legs closed. :(
Wow that is extreme flaming if I've Ever seen it.

Yeah..Im sorry that your mom is a whore, and can't keep her legs closed. :(

There are rules on this thread y'know, you can't just go around flaming people. If you get reported you may get banned.

The gun smilies only add to the spectacle presented in your statement. lol

Well I love my BFF!!!!

Conversely, by assuming that I am a troll, they are assuming that people who share my views are neither mentally stable nor in possession of a brain. This gross ridiculing of right-wing ideas is, I must admit, quite saddening. It is not better than bigotry, but I guess that fits in to the racist Democratic position.

The mere implication that you consider your beliefs, amongst which you count indentured servitude, as mainstream conservative thought is ludicrous. You are a caricature of every conservative position on any issue carried to the illogical extreme. That's why people think you're a troll. You have the most out of hand beliefs and act as though their commonly held.

You wanna know what ELSE is insane? The Theory of Evolution.

The theory of evolution is well-founded in scientific fact. I have no patience for those who deny its veracity.

I am certainly not ultra-elitist, although that is not something I can say of most liberals. I believe everyone should be judged by how hard he/she is willing to work to succeed -- those who assiduously apply themselves and succeed in our highly competitive world deserve to be lauded. Many of my fellow Topekans believe in the ideals of personal responsibility and freedom, too.

Furthermore, we are not fear-mongers. We simply realize that a grave threat to the future of the US is posed by the terrorists. They are diabolically plotting our destruction from afar, awaiting their opportunity to massacre more innocents. We need a strong leader who is willing to shoulder the burden of protecting us against the nihilistic fiends.

No, most Topekans do not agree with "compassionate slavery," although a small minority to agree with slavery based on race. However, at my high school a couple years ago, 1/3 of seniors agreed with the idea that a system of slavery needed to be created.

That is MESSED UP!!

Oh noes! :(

Thats it report him.

MeansToadonEnd or whatever your name is,

I found this thread so interesting I couldn´t stop myself from coming here and tell you I never heard of you or your opinions.
As far as I´m concerned, I couldn´t think of someone more inconsequential.

Well I love my BFF!!!!

Yaoi! Yay!


Actually, no, not my thing, but at least one person here must like it, secretly or otherwise.

You have the most out of hand beliefs and act as though their commonly held.

No, I recognize that most of the country does not have views which are as "extreme" as mine. That's why I consider myself outside the mainstream. However, many Kansans which I have had the pleasure of knowing have agreed with my views after I had expounded upon them at length. Again, I was elected to a ceremonial political position at my college based on those views.

MeansToadonEnd or whatever your name is,

I found this thread so interesting I couldn´t stop myself from coming here and tell you I never heard of you or your opinions.
As far as I´m concerned, I couldn´t think of someone more inconsequential.

Your input is appreciated. Thank you for your time.

No, I recognize that most of the country does not have views which are as "extreme" as mine. That's why I consider myself outside the mainstream. However, many Kansans which I have had the pleasure of knowing have agreed with my views after I had expounded upon them at length. Again, I was elected to a ceremonial political position at my college based on those views.

All I can say is that I'm glad I don't live in Kansas.

I'm just wondering, have you ever talked to a black person?

I'm just wondering, have you ever talked to a black person?

Define "talked".

I'm just wondering, have you ever talked to a black person?

Talked? Yes. Had a long conversation with? No. However, I am by no means racist -- it's just that people here tend to segregate themselves based on race. Everybody sort of "sticks to their own kind."

Define "talked".

Held a conversation for a reasonable amount of time.

That is MESSED UP!!

What are you referring to? The political composition of Kansas? No, it's somewhat outside the mainstream, but no more so than Massachusetts.

I have to admit, when I first encountered you, I thought you were a troll. I'm a liberal myself... very liberal. Anyway, it just seems that alot of people here have a hard time taking you seriously because your views are completely different from what's normal here. I don't know. I don't AGREE with your views at all. I think they're wrong and that you have some issues. Serious issues. But I'm not going to lable you a troll just because of that.

Don't Feed The Troll.

You know what else is insane? Affirmative action.
Agreed.

Talked? Yes. Had a long conversation with? No. However, I am by no means racist -- it's just that people here tend to segregate themselves based on race. Everybody sort of "sticks to their own kind."

Of course, and instead of trying to break those barriers and try and see what their opinions are, you'd rather just assume that all steriotypes are true and shackle them to the bonds of slavery without any of their input.

But I'm not going to lable you a troll just because of that.

Thank you. You have shown more than a modicum of reason, which is more than I can say for those who voted "no."

What are you referring to? The political composition of Kansas? No, it's somewhat outside the mainstream, but no more so than Massachusetts.

I'm refferring to the fact that 1/3 of your high school class thinks that slavery is a decent idea.

Of course, and instead of trying to break those barriers and try and see what their opinions are, you'd rather just assume that all steriotypes are true and shackle them to the bonds of slavery without any of their input.

You must be mistaken. I certainly do not believe blacks are racially inferior in general, and I definitely do not want to condemn anybody to be a slave simply based upon his race.

Held a conversation for a reasonable amount of time.

I don't think I ever spent much time conversing with him.

What are you referring to? The political composition of Kansas? No, it's somewhat outside the mainstream, but no more so than Massachusetts.

If 1/3 of people believe in reinstitutionalizing slavery, then I'd say Kansas is far further outside the mainstream than Massachusetts.

Agreed.

Thirded.

affirmative action is teh sux0r.

You must be mistaken. I certainly do not believe blacks are racially inferior in general, and I definitely do not want to condemn anybody to be a slave simply based upon his race.
Define "in general".

You must be mistaken. I certainly do not believe blacks are racially inferior in general, and I definitely do not want to condemn anybody to be a slave simply based upon his race.

It's just typical of the far left, if you have views which are extreme. You are assumed to also be completely racist and oppressive etc... as well.

I'm refferring to the fact that 1/3 of your high school class thinks that slavery is a decent idea.

Well, it was by no means a mathematically accurate poll representing the entirety of Kansas -- just my school. And it was a slightly slanted question, I must admit. I do have a copy of the newspaper in which the question was printed. What it asked was: "do you believe that slavery could be beneficial to our society"? The answers were:

Under certain conditions, slavery can be beneficial (36%)
I am neutral towards the proposition / it would have an extremely minor effect (28%)
Slavery can never be beneficial (26%)
Don't know (10%)

Define "in general".

There may be specific areas in which blacks are genetically different from whites -- this is a scientific fact. For example, there are several prescription medicines which are targeted towards blacks in particular. Why? Because there are, in general, some genetic differences between blacks and whites. However, there is nothing so major as to affect intelligence.

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.
I feel your pain man. They call [conservatives] narrow minded but yet pick [some liberals] a lot, very close minded. I am also a person who does this, although i try not to do it and accept others.

It's just typical of the far left, if you have views which are extreme. You are assumed to also be completely racist and oppressive etc... as well.

Hey, America was founded on pretty far left radical ideas for the time. Besides I consider myself to be moderate in my views.

There may be specific areas in which blacks are genetically different from whites -- this is a scientific fact. For example, there are several prescription medicines which are targeted towards blacks in particular. Why? Because there are, in general, some genetic differences between blacks and whites. However, there is nothing so major as to affect intelligence.

But you would say that these incidents make them inferior to the Great white genetic structure?

Hey, America was founded on pretty far left radical ideas for the time. Besides I consider myself to be moderate in my views.

Are you sure? It was founded upon the theory of republicanism, granted, but also on economic freedom (ie, classical liberalism, or modern economic conservatism). The colonists wanted free trade and free markets free from taxes, tariffs, and British intervention. If anything, they were far right radicals. The modern-day equivalents would most likely be libertarians. However, many also did not think that suffrage should extend to the poor, so it really varied from person to person.

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.

Because many people here are sheeps and when someone isnt bahhhing their opinions, they like to repeat each others knee jerk reactions of chanting troll, kinda like dominos falling, sometimes accompanied by retarded jokes, if you are lucky.

But you would say that these incidents make them inferior to the Great white genetic structure?

No, they are different but equal. You would be mistaken if you suggested that blacks were exactly the same as whites, the same way you'd be incorrect if you asserted that men were identical to women.

Because many people here are sheeps and when someone is bahhhing their opinions, they like to repeat each others knee jerk reactions of chanting troll, kinda like dominos falling, sometimes accompanied by retarded jokes, if you are lucky.

Bitter, much?

Why? Because there are, in general, some genetic differences between blacks and whites.
Remember when the coach from Air Force said: "They had more african americans than us and so they were faster"? Everyone ripped him, its a GENETIC difference (even more so in men)
heres the mens 100m world list:

1. (1.) Asafa POWELL 82 JAM
2. (2.) Tyson GAY 82 USA
3. (3.) Leonard SCOTT 80 USA
4. (4.) Justin GATLIN 82 USA
5. (5.) Francis OBIKWELU 78 POR
6. (6.) Marcus BRUNSON 78 USA
7. (7.) Shawn CRAWFORD 78 USA
8. (8.) Olusoji Adetokunbo FASUBA 84 NGR 1
9. (9.) Jason SMOOTS 80 USA
10. (10.) Ronald POGNON 82 FRA
9 out of 10 BLACK

I don't think you are a "troll" in the classical sense. No, I think you are at once the most inexperienced human being on earth, and a total jerk. That combination, added to your obvious youth (either mentally, or physically, or both) makes you one of the most repugnant people I've ever had the displeasure to encounter in my entire life.

Because many people here are sheeps and when someone is bahhhing their opinions, they like to repeat each others knee jerk reactions of chanting troll, kinda like dominos falling, sometimes accompanied by retarded jokes, if you are lucky.

Sheeps are cute. :)

Are you sure? It was founded upon the theory of republicanism, granted, but also on economic freedom (ie, classical liberalism, or modern economic conservatism). The colonists wanted free trade and free markets free from taxes, tariffs, and British intervention. If anything, they were far right radicals. The modern-day equivalents would most likely be libertarians. However, many also did not think that suffrage should extend to the poor, so it really varied from person to person.

Actually the ideas of Democracy and Republican freedom formed the very basis of their opinions. Instead of following in the footsteps of Europe and forming an aristocracy among the people, they founded a society where any man could create his own fortune, not a stagnate aristocratic economy in which some held power, but the majority were oppressed under a corrupt and unfair system.

Remember when the coach from Air Force said: "They had more african americans than us and so they were faster"? Everyone ripped him, its a GENETIC difference (even more so in men)
heres the mens 100m world list:

1. (1.) Asafa POWELL 82 JAM
2. (2.) Tyson GAY 82 USA
3. (3.) Leonard SCOTT 80 USA
4. (4.) Justin GATLIN 82 USA
5. (5.) Francis OBIKWELU 78 POR
6. (6.) Marcus BRUNSON 78 USA
7. (7.) Shawn CRAWFORD 78 USA
8. (8.) Olusoji Adetokunbo FASUBA 84 NGR 1
9. (9.) Jason SMOOTS 80 USA
10. (10.) Ronald POGNON 82 FRA
9 out of 10 BLACK
That could be easily be related to the fact that blacks work harder at sports and fitness because they find no educational stability in the places they live.

It is not better than bigotry, but I guess that fits in to the racist Democratic position.I am certainly not ultra-elitist, although that is not something I can say of most liberals.
Those sorts of generalizations are exactly what we meant when we defined "Trolling" on these forums. Whether you come by your opinions honestly or not, that's trolling. So yeah, you're a troll.

I'd advise you to check your posts carefully before submitting, because eventually you'll cross the line and get deleted. If you want to sell your agenda, clean up how you present it. Consider this a soft warning.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator

That could be easily be related to the fact that blacks work harder at sports and fitness because they find no educational stability in the places they live.Or the fact that people of African descent usually have better developed fast-twitch muscles.

Those sorts of generalizations are exactly what we meant when we defined "Trolling" on these forums. Whether you come by your opinions honestly or not, that's trolling. So yeah, you're a troll.

I'd advise you to check your posts carefully before submitting, because eventually you'll cross the line and get deleted. If you want to sell your agenda, clean up how you present it. Consider this a soft warning.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator

There is some flaming in this thread too.

Why have you left the debate so soon? This is exactly why people classify you as a troll, because whenever you're placed in a tight position, you leave the debate. You want to prove them wrong answer my above statements.

Those sorts of generalizations are exactly what we meant when we defined "Trolling" on these forums. Whether you come by your opinions honestly or not, that's trolling. So yeah, you're a troll.

I'd advise you to check your posts carefully before submitting, because eventually you'll cross the line and get deleted. If you want to sell your agenda, clean up how you present it. Consider this a soft warning.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Game Moderator

But its ok for everyone to just assume he is racist? Even though he never said once, they are just stereotyping him into that tye of person. What about the guy saying he is the most repugnant person he has ever met, is that not a flame? I never thought this before, but I am starting to think that there is a bit of bias with the mods.

That could be easily be related to the fact that blacks work harder at sports and fitness because they find no educational stability in the places they live.

The point is that there are genetic differences between blacks and whites. Whether or not it extends to running ability is up to debate -- it could be caused by environmental effects as you postulate. If you acknowledge evolution, you will find that black populations were largely separated from cross-breeding with white population for a long period of time. That would lead to blacks developing specific survival skills which would best suit them in Africa, while whites developed separate characteristics which would best suit them in Europe. It is a simple case of allopatric speciation.

That could be easily be related to the fact that blacks work harder at sports and fitness because they find no educational stability in the places they live.
BULL CRAP thats ridiculous dude. Plenty of whites, asians and latinos work VERY hard and just cant do it. Its not a coincidence or a matter of work ethic. Its genetics and god given ability.

BULL CRAP thats ridiculous dude. Plenty of whites, asians and latinos work VERY hard and just cant do it. Its not a coincidence or a matter of work ethic. Its genetics and god given ability.
It's genetics, period.

If you think I'm going to defend the bearer of the ovarian Bastille I escaped from, you are sorely mistaken.
Forgive and remember, friend.

Those sorts of generalizations are exactly what we meant when we defined "Trolling" on these forums.

Well, by definition, affirmative action in regard to race, which is a Democratically-held position, is racism. It promotes one race above other races based solely on the color of the skin. I will apologize for the second comment, but a good portion of liberals, at least where I live, are elitist.

Actually the ideas of Democracy and Republican freedom formed the very basis of their opinions. Instead of following in the footsteps of Europe and forming an aristocracy among the people, they founded a society where any man could create his own fortune, not a stagnate aristocratic economy in which some held power, but the majority were oppressed under a corrupt and unfair system.
Are you ignorant of the fact that some of the founding fathers had aristocratic tendencies? Or even of the fact that the man you are quoting had some rather interesting views on race?

The point is that there are genetic differences between blacks and whites. Whether or not it extends to running ability is up to debate -- it could be caused by environmental effects as you postulate. If you acknowledge evolution, you will find that black populations were largely separated from cross-breeding with white population for a long period of time. That would lead to blacks developing specific survival skills which would best suit them in Africa, while whites developed separate characteristics which would best suit them in Europe. It is a simple case of allopatric speciation.
Of course there are genetic differences. My question is whether you believe these differences make blacks inferior or not?

I am certainly not ultra-elitist
That a fact? What about your quaint plan to tie voting power to one's bank account?

I believe everyone should be judged by how hard he/she is willing to work to succeed -- those who assiduously apply themselves and succeed in our highly competitive world deserve to be lauded.
That's a fine idea. We should not, however, penalize and disenfranchise whoever does not live up to your gold standard.

Many of my fellow Topekans believe in the ideals of personal responsibility and freedom, too.
...for whoever meets your twisted idea of what's acceptable, of course.

Furthermore, we are not fear-mongers. We simply realize that a grave threat to the future of the US is posed by the terrorists. They are diabolically plotting our destruction from afar, awaiting their opportunity to massacre more innocents.
As opposed to the Republicans, who are blindly leading us to our destruction here, waiting for opportunities to sacrifice even more of your supposedly cherished freedoms?

We need a strong leader who is willing to shoulder the burden of protecting us against the nihilistic fiends.
No, we need a competent leader who understands that causes have effects, actions have reactions, and that our superpower status does not grant us the right, the duty, or even the ability to limitlessly impose our wishes on the world.

No, most Topekans do not agree with "compassionate slavery," although a small minority to agree with slavery based on race. However, at my high school a couple years ago, 1/3 of seniors agreed with the idea that a system of slavery needed to be created.
Well then, to that fraction of your upstanding senior class: welcome to the 21st century. Relax, enjoy, and get a fucking clue.

Are you ignorant of the fact that some of the founding fathers had aristocratic tendencies? Or even of the fact that the man you are quoting had some rather interesting views on race?

Um, Who exactly am I quoting?

But its ok for everyone to just assume he is racist? Even though he never said once, they are just stereotyping him into that tye of person. What about the guy saying he is the most repugnant person he has ever met, is that not a flame? I never thought this before, but I am starting to think that there is a bit of bias with the mods.

Frisbeeteria? A bit?

Um, Who exactly am I quoting?
Benjamin Franklin, in your sig.

Of course there are genetic differences. My question is whether you believe these differences make blacks inferior or not?

In some extremely specific areas, I am sure that they are inferior, perhaps such as swimming. In others, I am sure that they are superior, such as running. However, in a broad context, there are not real differences. Blacks, on average, are equally smart as whites, for example.

*Okie sees flames rising in the distance
*Ducks into foxhole

BULL CRAP thats ridiculous dude. Plenty of whites, asians and latinos work VERY hard and just cant do it. Its not a coincidence or a matter of work ethic. Its genetics and god given ability.

What I'm saying is that its not just genetics. For instance, I'll make a generalization since it seems to suite your minds focus, "White people are racist towards blacks because it is in their nature."

But its ok for everyone to just assume he is racist? Even though he never said once, they are just stereotyping him into that tye of person. What about the guy saying he is the most repugnant person he has ever met, is that not a flame? I never thought this before, but I am starting to think that there is a bit of bias with the mods.What are you complaining about. This was a diet warning for MTAE and the other posts are quite possibly under review.

There is some flaming in this thread too.
The bulk of the flaming that I saw was one player, who later apologized, but whom everyone else chose to [ quote ] to perpetuate the most hateful comment there. I addressed that player in the Moderation thread shortly after posting to this thread.
But its ok for everyone to just assume he is racist? Even though he never said once, they are just stereotyping him into that tye of person. What about the guy saying he is the most repugnant person he has ever met, is that not a flame? I never thought this before, but I am starting to think that there is a bit of bias with the mods.
Hydesland, perhaps you haven't looked at this player's post history. I can assure that I have. It's not stereotyping to call his posts racist, because they're not basing it on his stated conservatism, but on his POSTS.

In that context, "most repugnant" is no different from "tallest" or "most intelligent", because it's based on a comparison with other people that player had met. Is it an insult? Probably. Is it actionable? No.

I don't care if you're conservative or liberal or something entirely different. Follow the rules.

One of those really annoying kobolds with crossbows. I hate those things.

Oooh! I love kobolds with ranged weaponry. It makes it good for me, when I sneak up to them in the dark with my thief (that way, if I they somehow survive the sneak attack, they've got a penalty to hit me due to the extremely close range).

:D

What I'm saying is that its not just genetics. For instance, I'll make a generalization since it seems to suite your minds focus, "White people are racist towards blacks because it is in their nature."
Its white people's nature to be racist?

It's not stereotyping to call his posts racist, because they're not basing it on his stated conservatism, but on his POSTS.

I challenge you to find one racist post of mine. Give up? That's because I'm not racist.

What are you complaining about. This was a diet warning for MTAE and the other posts are quite possibly under review.

I just think it's giving an excuse for people to go OMGOMGOMG troll troll troll whenever MTEA posts because now a mod said it too.

I also think that describing the calling of the policies of the democrats racist and elitist as trolling an error. Especially compared to how people describe the republicans every 3 posts.

Frisbeeteria? A bit?

He the one asking, I'm just redering an honest opinion of what I think of him. Don't ask if you don't want an answer.

Its white people's nature to be racist?

yes that was my generalization, prove it wrong.

I just think it's giving an excuse for people to go OMGOMGOMG troll troll troll whenever MTEA posts because now a mod said it too.

I also think that describing the calling of the policies of the democrats racist and elitist as trolling an error. Especially compared to how people describe the republicans every 3 posts.

Do you think it really matters if we have an excuse or not?

Are you ignorant of the fact that some of the founding fathers had aristocratic tendencies? Or even of the fact that the man you are quoting had some rather interesting views on race?

Of course they had aristocratic tendencies, but in general most of their actions benefited the common people.

I just think it's giving an excuse for people to go OMGOMGOMG troll troll troll whenever MTEA posts because now a mod said it too.The OMG Troll! bit is rather warranted, considering his history. The flaming, baiting, and bashing is not, I'll give you that. His opinions (whether they are real or pretend) have a way of invoking a strong urge to post something heated in response, and people should know better than to fall for that.

you do act like a troll, as I have never seen you post outside of your own threads.

yes that was my generalization, prove it wrong.

Opinions, unlike physical characteristics, are not congenital traits. They are acquired through exposure to various ideas. As such, it's a moot comparison.

Of course they had aristocratic tendencies, but in general most of their actions benefited the common people.
The thing is some of them didn't even want a democracy (or better, a republic) to begin with. There were monarchists, aristocrats etc. amongst them. The one ideal they did share was that of liberalism.

The bulk of the flaming that I saw was one player, who later apologized, but whom everyone else chose to [ quote ] to perpetuate the most hateful comment there. I addressed that player in the Moderation thread shortly after posting to this thread.

Hydesland, perhaps you haven't looked at this player's post history. I can assure that I have. It's not stereotyping to call his posts racist, because they're not basing it on his stated conservatism, but on his POSTS.

In that context, "most repugnant" is no different from "tallest" or "most intelligent", because it's based on a comparison with other people that player had met. Is it an insult? Probably. Is it actionable? No.

I don't care if you're conservative or liberal or something entirely different. Follow the rules.

So what are the rules about profanity? I thought these forums were supposed to be PG-13 or so, and yet I see the F-word and it's variants quite often here.

you do act like a troll, as I have never seen you post outside of your own threads.

I have posted in other threads, but I tend to post in my threads more often. That's because if I don't post in my own threads for even a page, accusations spring forth that I'm a troll who leaves the debate after it doesn't suit him anymore, etc.

The thing is some of them didn't even want a democracy (or better, a republic) to begin with. There were monarchists, aristocrats etc. amongst them. The one ideal they did share was that of liberalism.

The monarchist snip is bit of an oversight on your part. I'll give you the aristocrats, but in general most of the founding fathers believed in some form of republicanism and/or democracy.

The monarchist snip is bit of an oversight on your part. I'll give you the aristocrats, but in general most of the founding fathers believed in some form of republicanism and/or democracy.
No, it isn't an oversight. If I can, I will find out which one of them exactly was a monarchist.

Opinions, unlike physical characteristics, are not congenital traits. They are acquired through exposure to various ideas. As such, it's a moot comparison.

This wasn't directed at you, it was directed at those who continuely insist that every ability given to people is inately given by genetics.

yes that was my generalization, prove it wrong.
I have freinds of other races

No, it isn't an oversight. If I can, I will find out which one of them exactly was a monarchist.

Perhaps one, but the majority did not look favorably upon any form of monarchy.

I have freinds of other races

So, the Europeans raped and pillaged practically every continent through their colonial and racist tendencies. the colonists formed the institution of slavery which detered practically all the rights of blacks. The list goes on and on.

I have freinds of other races

Hehehe...That's funny.

whatever you say, troll.

So, the Europeans raped and pillaged practically every continent through their colonial and racist tendencies. the colonists formed the institution of slavery which detered practically all the rights of blacks. The list goes on and on.
At a time when it was believed that members of the other races were inherently inferior, and at which European cultures were dominant.

Are Arabs then too inherently racist? For when they went about on their little imperial expeditions, they were not exactly the kindest of masters.

Perhaps one, but the majority did not look favorably upon any form of monarchy.
Well the one I have in mind is John Jay. I am not certain about any others.

Hehehe...That's funny.
Why?

Why?

Well:

A) You had to ask
B) Because that is what Stephen Colbert (IC) uses to justify him saying he is not racist

C) Becuase that has no effect on whether or not you are racist.

At a time when it was believed that members of the other races were inherently inferior, and at which European cultures were dominant.

Are Arabs then too inherently racist? For when they went about on their little imperial expeditions, they were not exactly the kindest of masters.

they could be. Besides white racism continued past the institution of slavery into our current year. By the way this just to prove a point about absolute generalizations, I neither advocate nor believe any of the generalizations put forth here.

Well:

A) You had to ask
B) Because that is what Stephen Colbert (IC) uses to justify him saying he is not racist

C) Becuase that has no effect on whether or not you are racist.

Colbert is the man!!

they could be. Besides white racism continued past the institution of slavery into our current year. By the way this just to prove a point about absolute generalizations, I neither advocate nor believe any of the generalizations put forth here.
Yes, and so does the racism that certain East-Asians hold both against each other and towards non-Asians, and likewise with Arabs and so on. It's an extension of the innate "Us vs them" mentality in humans, and all animals more generally, with racism being its particular focus, either due to cultural norms, or genetics in some cases, or both. Nothing surprising.

Yes, and so does the racism that certain East-Asians hold both against each other and towards non-Asians, and likewise with Arabs and so on. It's an extension of the innate "Us vs them" mentality in humans, and all animals more generally, with racism being its particular focus, either due to cultural norms, or genetics in some cases, or both. Nothing surprising.

Exactly, So white people innately hate anyone who isn't white.

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.

Well you're certainly not the most extreme example of insane politics or a poor ability to intelligently defend them. That would be this guy. (http://www.colbertnation.com/) Most of what you say ranks you with this guy (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html) and this guy. (www.whitehouse.gov) Both extreme examples of insane politics badly defended with obviously flawed logic that are perplexing if you think they're joking and exasperating if you think they are serious.

MTAE+NEOCON PRIDE= BFF! <3

This amuses me. I must therefore quote it in my signature.

Also, MTAE, you are RealAmerica. Who was The State of Georgia. Who was UN Ambassadorship...and who was he?

Drumroll please:

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MKULTRA! Yes, people, I now officially believe that it's our favorite uber-left wing troll returned as an uber rightwing troll, at it again!

On a side note, I find it amusing that it's all of our major right wing posters that believe he believes what he says.

I'm going to post regarding what the original post (and title) mentioned.
No! I don't think you (MeansToAnEnd) are a troll. :p
But if everyone else wants proof we could cut a limb off and see if it grows back. Hooray for D&D! :D

Yes you are

Exactly, So white people innately hate anyone who isn't white.
It's a particular focus of the "Us vs them" innate faculty. Nothing more, nothing less. Racism is not innate, that faculty is.

Back down guys, I'm the one who made a thread about him. It's all my fault.

MTAE, I once thought you were a troll, but now I think you're uberconservative elitist. Most of NSG is left-wing or moderate and keep making posts about slavery and pedophilia, you'll get hurt.

And some of your posts even seem like flamebait to me.

Most of NSG is left-wing or moderate and keep making posts about slavery and pedophilia, you'll get hurt.

Or Libertarian nowadays...

It's a particular focus of the "Us vs them" innate faculty. Nothing more, nothing less. Racism is not innate, that faculty is.

The faculty itself IS racism. And obviously the function is a far more powerful influence in white people than it is in other peoples.

:gundge: :mp5: :sniper:

MTAE+NEOCON PRIDE= BFF! <3

Wonderful. Now I'll have a dream about you and MTAE gettign married... on the football field at my school... at the end of the semester. :headbang:

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.

You're not a troll. You're a level 5 paladin with 12 hp, a bastard sword, a trower shield, lay hands and Cure Light Wounds.

The faculty itself IS racism. And obviously the function is a far more powerful influence in white people than it is in other peoples.
a) No, it isn't.

b) Bullshit. Go to Japan to have that little myth disproven.

Back down guys, I'm the one who made a thread about him. It's all my fault.

MTAE, I once thought you were a troll, but now I think you're uberconservative elitist. Most of NSG is left-wing or moderate and keep making posts about slavery and pedophilia, you'll get hurt.

And some of your posts even seem like flamebait to me.

See, this is why I like you. You may be fourteen, but you've got a great head on your shoulders. I suspect Ms. Pancake here shall do...something. Not sure exactly where I was going with that, but...yeah. Anyway...

Pancake, you did nothing of the sort. This was meant to be.

I will reserve my judgement, but, everyone, heed these rules:

-Never feed the troll
-Never be the troll
-Never flame(bait)
-Be nice. Our time of prosperity will end sooner than you think. These forums will die within our lifetimes. enjoy them while you can and have no regrets.

You're not a troll. You're a level 5 paladin with 12 hp, a bastard sword, a trower shield, lay hands and Cure Light Wounds.

A level 5 paladin with 12 hp?

Ouch. That one isn't going to last long.

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.

If you must ask if you are a troll or not, you must be a troll. :rolleyes:

Wonderful. Now I'll have a dream about you and MTAE gettign married... on the football field at my school... at the end of the semester. :headbang:

http://badgas.co.uk/language/thats_hot.jpg

See, this is why I like you. You may be fourteen, but you've got a great head on your shoulders.
Wonderful. Now I'll have a dream about you and MTAE gettign married... on the football field at my school... at the end of the semester. :headbang:

Great, yet slightly disturbed. This may or may not be NSG's fault.

a) No, it isn't.

b) Bullshit. Go to Japan to have that little myth disproven.

*sigh* The point I am trying to prove is that not all of man's nature is created through genetics, Some of it is built through expeirience.

All I have to say is this:

Either MTAE is a troll OR he is a right-wing elitist with radical ideas OR he is a satire taken to a level never before seen on these forums.

MTAE, I trust you to select which you are.

*sigh* The point I am trying to prove is that not all of man's nature is created through genetics, Some of it is built through expeirience.
Well obviously. Nature through nurture, and vice versa. My point was that the "Us vs them" mentality is one of the most deeply rooted ones in nature, and that it can take any form, racism being one of them (usually due to cultural influences).

Great, yet slightly disturbed. This may or may not be NSG's fault.

Huh?

Well obviously. Nature through nurture, and vice versa.

Exactly!!! So Black people are not atheletes just because of their genetic structure, they are also good at it because in most situations its their escape from the harsh conditions which surround them!!

Exactly!!! So Black people are not atheletes just because of their genetic structure, they are also good at it because in most situations its their escape from the harsh conditions which surround them!!
Yes, the thing is you cannot simply change nature via nurture. That takes hundreds, even thousands of years of change. If you take an average Asian and an average Black and give them the same degree of training in, say, a particular event in which blacks excel, ceteris paribus, the black will still outperform the Asian. Nurture can change things, and improve certain aspects of one's nature, but within limits. Not all things that are perceived as "nature" necessarily are though.

Now, if most blacks become accustomed to an easy urban life over the millenia, this ability may very well eclipse. Evolution. They adapt to new surroundings.

Well obviously. Nature through nurture, and vice versa. My point was that the "Us vs them" mentality is one of the most deeply rooted ones in nature, and that it can take any form, racism being one of them (usually due to cultural influences).

I'll agree with that from an instinctual standpoint. I would think, however, that most of that instinct can be submerged via early childhood learning. For instance, I watched Star Trek as a baby. Whether that had anything to do with it I still don't know, but I feel like pointing it out.

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Actually, now that I think about it, I still have an irrational hatred of Star Wars. I also have an irrational hatred of Machintoshes and Duracell batteries, for some reason.

Yes, the thing is you cannot simply change nature via nurture. That takes hundreds, even thousands of years of change. If you take an average Asian and an average Black and give them the same degree of training in, say, a particular event in which blacks excel, ceteris paribus, the black will still outperform the Asian. Nurture can change things, and improve certain aspects of one's nature, but within limits. Not all things that are perceived as "nature" necessarily are though.

But the problem with that is that people develop some skills at a very early age. A black person could easily have played the sport for recreation since he was 7.

I'll solve this:

Black people are supposedly good runners because they had to run. For thousands of years. Or they'd die.

So, eventually, they adapted over those thousands of years to run better. Just as all the other races have adapted.

It's all about evolution occuring... it's not about race. it's about environmental pressure.



Of course, there are those who fall outside of this, just as in all other creatures.

But the problem with that is that people develop some skills at a very early age. A black person could easily have played the sport for recreation since he was 7.
The point of that little thought experiment is to assume other things being equal (ceteris paribus). It assumes they've had a near-identical form of "nurture". Then pure genetic differences can be established.

It's all about evolution occuring... it's not about race. it's about environmental pressure.

Basically what I said in the second part of my post.

i'd say who cares who is he?

10 pages? wow?

I'll solve this:

Black people are supposedly good runners because they had to run. For thousands of years. Or they'd die.

So, eventually, they adapted over those thousands of years to run better. Just as all the other races have adapted.

It's all about evolution occuring... it's not about race. it's about environmental pressure.



Of course, there are those who fall outside of this, just as in all other creatures.
But my belief is that current enviorment pressure trumps the properties that have been adapted by thousands of years of adaptation.

I'll agree with that from an instinctual standpoint. I would think, however, that most of that instinct can be submerged via early childhood learning. For instance, I watched Star Trek as a baby. Whether that had anything to do with it I still don't know, but I feel like pointing it out.

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Actually, now that I think about it, I still have an irrational hatred of Star Wars. I also have an irrational hatred of Machintoshes and Duracell batteries, for some reason.
It's a basic survival mechanism, the ability to distinguish between your kin and your foe, your allies and your enemies, or what you perceive to be those anyway (for instance, the ability of a mother to differentiate her spawn from those of others). Therefore I am not sure how far it can be submerged. That would need to be tested by psychologists.

Here is an interesting evolutionary article:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0601428103v1?etoc

But my belief is that current enviorment pressure trumps the properties that have been adapted by thousands of years of adaptation.

Not quite.

True, it affects them, changing them over time, but it's not like *snap* and they change. We are talking 1000, 2000, 5000, 10000, 20000, 50000, and 100000 year periods.

Not quite.

True, it affects them, changing them over time, but it's not like *snap* and they change. We are talking 1000, 2000, 5000, 10000, 20000, 50000, and 100000 year periods.
Exactly. Evolution doesn't take place over night.

It's a basic survival mechanism, the ability to distinguish between your kin and your foe, your allies and your enemies, or what you perceive to be those anyway (for instance, the ability of a mother to differentiate her spawn from those of others). Therefore I am not sure how far it can be submerged. That would need to be tested by psychologists.

Here is an interesting evolutionary article:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0601428103v1?etoc
I doubt it can be submerged completely. I mean, I do hate some things. Luckily, what I hate is mostly ridiculous. Like the Raiders, an American football team. They are the bitter enemy of my favorite American football team, the Broncos.

Exactly. Evolution doesn't take place over night.

Unless this is some species of bacteria whih can go through many generations in a night.

Not quite.

True, it affects them, changing them over time, but it's not like *snap* and they change. We are talking 1000, 2000, 5000, 10000, 20000, 50000, and 100000 year periods.

Actually, mentally and physically, people are affected more by the their early years of childhood. For instance, If a child is taken away from its mother at a very early age, it will most likely become very deppressed and anti-social. The same is true about physically. If a child becomes involved in sports at an early age through the act of play, they will have greater willingness to exercise when they get older.

Unless this is some species of bacteria whih can go through many generations in a night.
Lucky for us we're a wee bit above bacteria. :D

Actually, mentally and physically, people are affected more by the their early years of childhood. For instance, If a child is taken away from its mother at a very early age, it will most likely become very deppressed and anti-social. The same is true about physically. If a child becomes involved in sports at an early age through the act of play, they will have greater willingness to exercise when they get older.
No, what you refer to is what changes can come through nurture (ie improving your intelligence through an education) -- these do not eliminate core genetic differences though. They merely build on them. They are not tantamount to pure evolutionary changes, which will take millenia to realize.

I doubt it can be submerged completely. I mean, I do hate some things. Luckily, what I hate is mostly ridiculous. Like the Raiders, an American football team. They are the bitter enemy of my favorite American football team, the Broncos.
Me vs humanity. <.<

Lucky for us we're a wee bit above bacteria. :D

Hey, they can overcome a weapon design specifically to annihilate them daily, who is over whom?

Hey, they can overcome a weapon design specifically to annihilate them daily, who is over whom?
And they're invisible to us. :(

Lucky for us we're a wee bit above bacteria. :D


No, what you refer to is what changes can come through nurture (ie improving your intelligence through an education) -- these do not eliminate core genetic differences though. They merely build on them. They are not tantamount to pure evolutionary changes, which will take millenia to realize.

However, Nurture has a greater affect on the being that is experiencing these occurences.

I strongly disagree that you are a troll. For one thing, we don't need fire or acid to prevent your wounds from healing.

However, Nurture has a greater affect on the being that is experiencing these occurences.
In what sense? It is currently believed that genetics plays a predominant part, not nurture in any sense.

In what sense? It is currently believed that genetics plays a predominant part, not nurture in any sense.

As in their lives and actions are determined more so by nurture than by nature.

Furthermore, we are not fear-mongers. We simply realize that a grave threat to the future of the US is posed by the terrorists. They are diabolically plotting our destruction from afar, awaiting their opportunity to massacre more innocents. We need a strong leader who is willing to shoulder the burden of protecting us against the nihilistic fiends.
Yet you won't shoulder a weapon to save your country, stating that it is insane to do so. You don't vote, yet you want a strong leader, and you want to subjugate citizens of lower mentality.

You also want to invade countries to steal their resources if needed.

Yup you is a troll.:p

As in their lives and actions are determined more so by nurture than by nature.
You'd need to prove that.

You'd need to prove that.

Ok, example: Is a person more likely to pick a republican or a democrat in an election? Because of the teachings of their parents, their enviorment etc. the person will select one candidate based on that rather than an instinct that is innately placed in them.

Ok, example: Is a person more likely to pick a republican or a democrat in an election? Because of the teachings of their parents, their enviorment etc. the person will select one candidate based on that rather than an instinct that is innately placed in them.
I want scientific evidence.

I want scientific evidence.

Touche. Very well I concede.

Ok, example: Is a person more likely to pick a republican or a democrat in an election? Because of the teachings of their parents, their environment etc. the person will select one candidate based on that rather than an instinct that is innately placed in them.

If that were true (that people get their political values from their parents), then everybody would have the same political opinions as the mythical Adam and Eve (you know what I mean: nothing, throughout time, would change. It would just be continued by the next generation)

obviously, this is not happening.

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.

I do believe you are a troll for a very simple reason. When stating statistics to back up your "beliefs" you never offer any proof, links or quotes. When faced with an argument against your "beliefs" you do not argue against them, you merely choose the easiest target amongst them and provoke even more debate moving away from your original topic. By doing this you manage to create huge threads with many responses, whilst only choosing to argue against the weakest statements against you and offering nothing to back up your statements apart from it is what you "believe" in. For that, yes, you tuely are a troll.

Well, Means, it's either troll or insane. What's your choice?

When faced with an argument against your "beliefs" you do not argue against them, you merely choose the easiest target amongst them and provoke even more debate moving away from your original topic. By doing this you manage to create huge threads with many responses, whilst only choosing to argue against the weakest statements against you and offering nothing to back up your statements apart from it is what you "believe" in.

Hmm, you noticed that too? I thought I was the only one.

You are a tr-oll, ner-ner, ner-ner-ner.

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well, your ideas are just too incredible to be real. so you're either 12 or you're taking the piss.

I do believe you are a troll for a very simple reason. When stating statistics to back up your "beliefs" you never offer any proof, links or quotes. When faced with an argument against your "beliefs" you do not argue against them, you merely choose the easiest target amongst them and provoke even more debate moving away from your original topic. By doing this you manage to create huge threads with many responses, whilst only choosing to argue against the weakest statements against you and offering nothing to back up your statements apart from it is what you "believe" in. For that, yes, you tuely are a troll.

I've said it before MTAE and I'll say it again. Prove me wrong. If you can.

He's not a troll, IMO. For this reason I have lost most faith in humanity.

Why isn't there an option for 'Idiot' on the poll?

Why isn't there an option for 'Idiot' on the poll?

That's the 'yes' option.

alot of people here are attention seekers. if you talk, you need someone to pay attention. also alot people call other people trolls, even though they are trolls themselves.

The poll doesn't exactly fit the title. The softer language of the poll question might give the misleading impression that "MTAE is not much of a troll, only 60% or so."

So I went through the responses, and found this:

These people clearly stated that MTAE was not a troll, or were more vaguely supportive of MTAE:

Neocon Pride
Aioran
Darknovae
Hydesland
Nordligmark
Okielahoma

These people found MTAE to be a troll:

Linthiopia
Montacanos
Sdaeriji
Frisbeetaria
Unabashed Greed
Laerod
Swilatia
Arthais101
Celtland
CanuckHeaven
Ollieland
Heikoku
Yootopia
Infinite Revolution

Nani Goblin had never heard of MTAE

These people made comments about MTAE which were (heh-hem) "not supportive:"
Fassigen
Ginnoria
Cluichstan
Cabra West
Teraq
Dinaverg
Refused-Party-Program
Medical Oddities
Avisron
New Domici
New Burmesia
Soheran
Neesica

These people carried on extensive debate about racism and genetics, with very little encouragement from the OPer:

Europa Maxima
Herculisis

If any poster objects to the category they're in, email jjvs@pnc.com.au and I'll edit.

I think the contents of the posts provide a much clearer indication of how NSGers perceive MTAE than the more balanced poll results.

And me? I think MTAE is a troll, AND can't possibly believe everything he posts. At least, not all at the same time.

These people found MTAE to be a troll:

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Minaris


I reserved my judgement, remember? I am not sure if he is a troll.

The poll doesn't exactly fit the title. The softer language of the poll question might give the misleading impression that "MTAE is not much of a troll, only 60% or so."

So I went through the responses, and found this:

These people clearly stated that MTAE was not a troll, or were more vaguely supportive of MTAE:

Neocon Pride
Aioran
Darknovae
Hydesland
Nordligmark
Okielahoma

These people found MTAE to be a troll:

Linthiopia
Montacanos
Sdaeriji
Frisbeetaria
Unabashed Greed
Laerod
Swilatia
Arthais101
Celtland
Minaris
CanuckHeaven
Ollieland
Heikoku
Yootopia
Infinite Revolution

Nani Goblin had never heard of MTAE

These people made comments about MTAE which were (heh-hem) "not supportive:"
Fassigen
Ginnoria
Cluichstan
Cabra West
Teraq
Dinaverg
Refused-Party-Program
Medical Oddities
Avisron
New Domici
New Burmesia
Soheran
Neesica

These people carried on extensive debate about racism and genetics, with very little encouragement from the OPer:

Europa Maxima
Herculisis

If any poster objects to the category they're in, email jjvs@pnc.com.au and I'll edit.

I think the contents of the posts provide a much clearer indication of how NSGers perceive MTAE than the more balanced poll results.

And me? I think MTAE is a troll, AND can't possibly believe everything he posts. At least, not all at the same time.

Eyyy....I just think he's not that stupid, you know? especially, recently (like, today, yesterday recent), he's been letting the believable thing slide.

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am joking or making light of neo-conservatives via my posts. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a troll so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered views as outside the mainstream as mine before? If not, I suggest you visit Topeka to get an education in right-wing thought.
haha, I guessed it was you by the thread title. You're not really making light of conservatism, at least not in the Colbert sense. I assume the 184+ posts previously will have told you already that promotion of slavery and such are generally considered Trollish around here.

So, can I call this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11898585#post11898585) "not supportive" then ? :eek:

Conversely, by assuming that I am a troll, they are assuming that people who share my views are neither mentally stable nor in possession of a brain. This gross ridiculing of right-wing ideas is, I must admit, quite saddening. It is not better than bigotry, but I guess that fits in to the racist Democratic position.

Most conservatives don't espouse slavery or "pay money to be able to vote". If you're not a troll, then you're nuttier than a fruitcake.

Most conservatives don't espouse slavery or "pay money to be able to vote". If you're not a troll, then you're nuttier than a fruitcake.

Fruitcakes have nuts? Aren't gay people considered fruitcakes currently?

I believe everything he says :)

That's because you are likely his puppet. Dance puppet, dance!

And no, MTAE, I do not. If you do believe, you are one of the most narcissistic and sadistic humas alive. Since I cannot believe this to be true, you are thus a puppet, created by DCD to piss us all off like back in the days with Jessussaves.

That, or your UN Abassadorship.

One of the two.

I don't think he's a troll. And think the rest of you should be more supportive of someone obviously mentally ill.

Well, you're apparently an attention whore, of that you provide proof...

my favorite insult..attention whore..lol

like so many wannabe,daddy look at me girls,or loser wannabe dudes that cant find a girl..

but they find solace and attention here or on other forums.

pretty sad...but i am guilty as well...so i wont throw rocks in the glass house.

my favorite insult..attention whore..lol

like so many wannabe,daddy look at me girls,or loser wannabe dudes that cant find a girl..

but they find solace and attention here or on other forums.

pretty sad...but i am guilty as well...so i wont throw rocks in the glass house.

also helps that everyone is anonymous...

Don't worry MTAE, I don't think you're a troll.

I just think you're a fucking arsehole.

And you dodge anyone who can competently debate you, preferring only to pick on the points you know you can pick apart. Thus, you've pretty much ignored everything I've ever asked you, and I am grateful for that.

Oh, and did I mention that you ate my puppy?

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a moderator so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered someone closing threads and warning people before? If not, I suggest you visit the internet to get an education in moderation.

I really don't understand why so many people on these forums think that I am. I can assure you, I am doing no such thing. I realize that this is a bit of a spam topic, but I'd really like to know who thinks I am a moderator so I can convince them that I am not. Do you have any reason for believing this, or haven't you encountered someone closing threads and warning people before? If not, I suggest you visit the internet to get an education in moderation.
I'm sorry Kat... but the cute little kitty pic you have under your name just kinda gives it away. ;)