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Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white

Home Office release official figures as police claim that political correctness is stifling the debate

Antony Barnett, investigations editor
Sunday October 22, 2006
The Observer

Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.

The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white.

The disclosure will add to the intense debate over multiculturalism in British society. The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.

Senior police officers have admitted that 'political correctness' and the fear of discussing the issue have meant that race crime against white people goes under-reported. One chief constable has claimed that white, working-class men are more alienated than the Muslim community.

Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Cheshire and a spokesman on race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men.

'The political correctness and reluctance to discuss these things absolutely does play a factor', he said. 'A lot of police officers and other professions feel almost the best thing to do is try and avoid it for fear of being criticised. We probably have all got ourselves into a bit of state about this.

'The difficulty in the police service is that the whole thing is being closed down because we are all afraid of discussing any of it in case we say the wrong thing - and that is not healthy.'

Racial violence in Britain has become the subject of intense scrutiny since the public inquiry in 1999 into the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence. Most of the high-profile cases of hate crime have been focused on young blacks, including Damilola Taylor and more recently Anthony Walker, who was murdered with an axe at a Liverpool bus stop by white youths.

Yet these latest official figures give the most complete picture of racially motivated murders in the UK, revealing the situation to be much more complex. In March 2004 a white Scottish teenager, Kriss Donald, was bundled into a car while walking in the Pollokshields area of Glasgow. He was later beaten, stabbed 13 times, and set on fire. British Pakistani Daanish Zahid was found guilty by unanimous verdict of the charges of racially aggravated murder.

In the same year Christopher Yates, 30, a white man, was beaten to death in an assault by a group of drunken Asian youths as he walked home in Barking, east London.

Politicians and the authorities often face difficulty in raising the issue of racial attacks on white victims for fear that far-right extremists will try to exploit such events to stir up racial tensions.

Fahy also warned of caution in over-interpreting the figures. He said that the 24 white victims also included those who were Jewish, 'dark-skinned' Europeans or gypsies. In addition, seven of those were killed by white attackers, four by black, six by Asian, with seven whose racial background was not identified.

Police have suggested that some white-on-white killings may be a result of attacks between Scots, English, Irish and Welsh people.

Overall, there have been 10 black victims and 16 Asian victims. Of the 58 race murders, 18 have been where a white attacker has killed a black or Asian individual and another 14 where one member of a minority group has murdered another for racial reasons.

'This shows the complex society we are policing,' said Fahy.

'I will be honest with some of this discussion about the alienation of Muslim people. Police officers would tell you there are a lot of young people out there who feel alienated.

'There are a lot of young white working-class lads, particularly on the more difficult estates, who are hugely alienated. Yet very little attention is given to that.

'Sometimes we forget that ethnic minorities actually make up quite a small percentage of the population.'

Three years ago Phil Woolas, MP for the Oldham East and Saddleworth constituency, who is now Minister for Community Cohesion, said 'political correctness' was stopping racism against white people from being condemned. As a result, he said, attacks on whites by black and Asian people are not criticised by politicians and could harm race relations in Britain.

This weekend Woolas refused to comment, but a spokesman for the Department for Local Communities and Government said: 'Racially motivated crime is wholly abhorrent, whatever the background of the victim.

'This government has worked hard to improve the investigation and prosecution of these crimes across all ethnic groups.'

In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality published a report that concluded that most racial crimes were committed against white people, although it pointed out that at the time white people made up 94 per cent of the population and that, proportionally, black and Asian people were still far more likely to be victims of race attacks.

The report suggested that white people might also be more likely to report a crime such as a street robbery carried out by a black person as a racial incident.

A spokeswoman for the CRE said the Home Office figures raised some interesting issues but she did not want to comment further until the data could be properly analysed.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1928559,00.html

You know I just noticed this why do the white supremisists here always seem to start their names with Nord something, its so unoriginal?

Well duh!

White Britains are treated with more respect by the authorities, and society, in our former colonies than in Britain. We just pay for immigrants and foreigners to oppress us.

Now to really put your point into proper perspective, Nordligmark, place those racially-motivated murders into a per capita figure.

:)

Now to really put your point into proper perspective, Nordligmark, place those racially-motivated murders into a per capita figure.

:)

And that's an argument for whites oppressing poor minorities, because different races of minorities dont kill each other? :)

Ha ha!

And that's an argument for whites oppressing poor minorities, because different races of minorities dont kill each other? :)

Actually, it's an argument for oppressing white people because the average minority has a better chance of getting killed by a white person due to race than the average white person does.

Clearly, it means that white people are all psychotic sociopaths and should probably be deported for the good of the country. :)

Actually, it's an argument for oppressing white people because the average minority has a better chance of getting killed by a white person due to race than the average white person does.


Proof?


Clearly, it means that white people are all psychotic sociopaths and should probably be deported for the good of the country. :)

You are funny, LUNATIC Goofballs. :)

Ahh, I love American Renaissance. (http://www.amren.com/) Such a gold mine on linking to interesting articles.

I suppose it's better than Angry White Female, eh? I mean, it makes you look more... what's the word... politically correct.

Proof?
How about something from the article to back up his statement?

In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality published a report that concluded that most racial crimes were committed against white people, although it pointed out that at the time white people made up 94 per cent of the population and that, proportionally, black and Asian people were still far more likely to be victims of race attacks.

The report suggested that white people might also be more likely to report a crime such as a street robbery carried out by a black person as a racial incident.

Personally, I found this interesting:
Fahy also warned of caution in over-interpreting the figures. He said that the 24 white victims also included those who were Jewish, 'dark-skinned' Europeans or gypsies. In addition, seven of those were killed by white attackers, four by black, six by Asian, with seven whose racial background was not identified.

Police have suggested that some white-on-white killings may be a result of attacks between Scots, English, Irish and Welsh people.

PCness is just silly in general, the sooner it's gone the better

You know I just noticed this why do the white supremisists here always seem to start their names with Nord something, its so unoriginal?

Actually, every person you've seen beginning with Nord... is this same guy. He's been deleted a few times, I believe.

Proof?


You just gave it. Half of all racially motivated murders occur to white people, yet white people obviously accout for more than half the population.

It's simple math. :)

And yes, I'm absolutely hilarious. :)

How about something from the article to back up his statement?



Personally, I found this interesting:

1999? My god, in the context of Britsih politics, that genuinely is archaic.

I see a spam thread. Go to it.

Proof?Why on Earth do you need proof, or do you believe that the population of the UK approximately 50% white?

Simple ratios: 1 in 2 victims in racially motivated murders are white. Over 9 in 10 people in the UK are white.

Therefore, a white person is 9 times less likely to be the victim of a racially motivated murder than the rest of the remaining population.

Oh. My. God. It's a crime. Crimes should no no color. If it's hate crime, than it should be persecuted as such. Anyone who disagrees is racist. I try to avoid broad statements like that, but it's blatantly giving white people the shaft.

How about something from the article to back up his statement?



Personally, I found this interesting:

The fact that blacks and asians are overrepresented as victims does NOT constitude all attacks against them are made by whites. A black attacking asian is racist as well, you know. So minorities themselves may be responsible for their victimization, for the most part.
I feel like I said the same thing 50 times already but I guess whites oppressing poor minorities is too much of a taboo in some people's heads.

You just gave it. Half of all racially motivated murders occur to white people, yet white people obviously accout for more than half the population.

It's simple math. :)

And yes, I'm absolutely hilarious. :)

See my answer to Gravlen.

Why on Earth do you need proof, or do you believe that the population of the UK approximately 50% white?

Simple ratios: 1 in 2 victims in racially motivated murders are white. Over 9 in 10 people in the UK are white.

Therefore, a white person is 9 times less likely to be the victim of a racially motivated murder than the rest of the remaining population.

LOL. And people get angry with me when I accuse others of sheepness.

Awhoandawhatnow? What are you on about now then? Are you answering a question we haven't debated? I haven't denied anything you said about the attackers.

Let's sum up:

No mention of who the perpretrators were, only that it is more likely for you to be the victim if you're a part of a minority.

No, silly:

Actually, it's an argument for oppressing white people because the average minority has a better chance of getting killed by a white person due to race than the average white person does.

Clearly, it means that white people are all psychotic sociopaths and should probably be deported for the good of the country. :)

LOL. And people get angry with me when I accuse others of sheepness.Meh, there are somethings that typically general knowledge. That the vast majority of western europe is white is one such thing, that 50% of victims of racially motivated murders are white is not.

You should really consider then that despite the fact that whites make up 90+% of the population, the commit just slightly more than half the racially motivated murders. So the <10% minority accounts for just a little less than half of all racially motivated murders. Correlation?

You should really consider then that despite the fact that whites make up 90+% of the population, the commit just slightly more than half the racially motivated murders. So the <10% minority accounts for just a little less than half of all racially motivated murders. Correlation?

Actually out of 58 racially motivated murders, 18 were commited by whites against non-whites. That makes 31%.

The fact that blacks and asians are overrepresented as victims does NOT constitude all attacks against them are made by whites. A black attacking asian is racist as well, you know. So minorities themselves may be responsible for their victimization, for the most part.
I feel like I said the same thing 50 times already but I guess whites oppressing poor minorities is too much of a taboo in some people's heads.
"The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white."

"Fahy also warned of caution in over-interpreting the figures. He said that the 24 white victims also included those who were Jewish, 'dark-skinned' Europeans or gypsies. In addition, seven of those were killed by white attackers, four by black, six by Asian, with seven whose racial background was not identified."


"Overall, there have been 10 black victims and 16 Asian victims. Of the 58 race murders, 18 have been where a white attacker has killed a black or Asian individual and another 14 where one member of a minority group has murdered another for racial reasons."

"In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality published a report that concluded that most racial crimes were committed against white people, although it pointed out that at the time white people made up 94 per cent of the population and that, proportionally, black and Asian people were still far more likely to be victims of race attacks."

These are quotes from the article. According to these,

18 of the 58 victims were black or asian victims attacked by white people.

By comparison, 10 (6+4) white victims were attacked by black or asians with another seven unidentified. even including all of unidentified race, that's 17 vs. 18.

:)

No, silly:

Damn! I've misread that part. Well there you go. I apologize for any inconvenience :)

Actually out of 58 racially motivated murders, 18 were commited by whites against non-whites. That makes 31%.

Wait wait wait....

So, the mere fact that a person of one colour commits a crime on a person of another colour automatically makes it "racially motivated", is that what you were just trying to imply?

So, if I murdered a white guy, it's just murder. But if I murdered a black guy, it's all of a sudden "racially motivated" ?

You're not trying to say that....are you?

Wait wait wait....

So, the mere fact that a person of one colour commits a crime on a person of another colour automatically makes it "racially motivated", is that what you were just trying to imply?

So, if I murdered a white guy, it's just murder. But if I murdered a black guy, it's all of a sudden "racially motivated" ?

You're not trying to say that....are you?

Course not. Its only a racial hate crime if a white guy gets murdered. ;)

By comparison, 10 (6+4) white victims were attacked by black or asians with another seven unidentified. even including all of unidentified race, that's 17 vs. 18.:)

Still, the ratio is 90% of population ~1/2 of the racially motivated murders to 10% of the population ~1/2 of the murders means that if you're a minority, you're far more likely to be a racially motivated murderer.

Course not. Its only a racial hate crime if a white guy gets murdered. ;)

Ah, of course. Silly me.

Still, the ratio is 90% of population ~1/2 of the racially motivated murders to 10% of the population ~1/2 of the murders means that if you're a minority, you're far more likely to be a racially motivated murderer.

Exactly. My original point exactly.

Clearly, white people are destroying Europe. *nod* :)

"The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white."

"Fahy also warned of caution in over-interpreting the figures. He said that the 24 white victims also included those who were Jewish, 'dark-skinned' Europeans or gypsies. In addition, seven of those were killed by white attackers, four by black, six by Asian, with seven whose racial background was not identified."


"Overall, there have been 10 black victims and 16 Asian victims. Of the 58 race murders, 18 have been where a white attacker has killed a black or Asian individual and another 14 where one member of a minority group has murdered another for racial reasons."

"In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality published a report that concluded that most racial crimes were committed against white people, although it pointed out that at the time white people made up 94 per cent of the population and that, proportionally, black and Asian people were still far more likely to be victims of race attacks."

These are quotes from the article. According to these,

18 of the 58 victims were black or asian victims attacked by white people.

By comparison, 10 (6+4) white victims were attacked by black or asians with another seven unidentified. even including all of unidentified race, that's 17 vs. 18.

:)


90+% commiting 17 murders and -10% committing 18 murders. Who's overrepresented as racial oppressors?

Damn! I've misread that part. Well there you go. I apologize for any inconvenience :)

And after all the trouble you went through for the chain quotes... :p

Wait wait wait....

So, the mere fact that a person of one colour commits a crime on a person of another colour automatically makes it "racially motivated", is that what you were just trying to imply?

So, if I murdered a white guy, it's just murder. But if I murdered a black guy, it's all of a sudden "racially motivated" ?

You're not trying to say that....are you?

Where did I imply that?

Exactly. My original point exactly.

Clearly, white people are destroying Europe. *nod* :)

By being hugely under-represented as racially motivated killers? :confused:

90+% commiting 17 murders and -10% committing 18 murders. Who's overrepresented as racial oppressors?

The oppressed. :)

Where did I imply that?

In...the post I quoted...

here, I'll do it again.


Actually out of 58 racially motivated murders, 18 were commited by whites against non-whites. That makes 31%.

So, racially motivated when it transcends colour and not when it's internal then?

Was that what you were trying to imply?

Fahy also warned of caution in over-interpreting the figures. He said that the 24 white victims also included those who were Jewish, 'dark-skinned' Europeans or gypsies. In addition, seven of those were killed by white attackers, four by black, six by Asian, with seven whose racial background was not identified.

Err...If your attacked because you are jewish, isn't that a religious crime, rather than a racial crime? Also, since when was "Gypsy" a race?

In...the post I quoted...

here, I'll do it again.



So, racially motivated when it transcends colour and not when it's internal then?

Was that what you were trying to imply?

The point was that whites were underrepresented as racially motivated murderers. I wasnt implying anything else. There seems to be some language barrier although we all speak english.

Also, since when was "Gypsy" a race?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people
Educate yourself.

By being hugely under-represented as racially motivated killers? :confused:

By getting away with it more. :)

By getting away with it more. :)

HAHA. Dance your way out of your previous comments.

The point was that whites were underrepresented as racially motivated murderers.

No, that there is my point.

Are you purely saying it is racially motivated because a person of a colour does it to someone of another colour?

Why so simple? Why the overlooking of various factors? Religion maybe? Money? Drunken rage? Infidelity?

Does these simply stop being what they are if it's white-on-white, and become racially motivated when it's white-on-black etc etc.

'Cause if it is.... I smell bullshiiitttt.

No, that there is my point.

Are you purely saying it is racially motivated because a person of a colour does it to someone of another colour?

Why so simple? Why the overlooking of various factors? Religion maybe? Money? Drunken rage? Infidelity?

Does these simply stop being what they are if it's white-on-white, and become racially motivated when it's white-on-black etc etc.

'Cause if it is.... I smell bullshiiitttt.

Fine, 18+7(inter-white)=25

25/58 = 43%

Whites are still underrepresented as RMM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people
Educate yourself.

Irish Travellers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers)

Actually, this is what the word generally refers to in the UK (what with there being approximatly 15 times as many) They are natives of Irland and classed as "Caucasian White"

Educate yourself right back

HAHA. Dance your way out of your previous comments.

What previous comments am I trying to dance out of? I said that minorities ae far more likely to be killed by whites than vice-versa. That's true. I said that because of that, whites are psychotic and dangerous and should be deported for the good of Europe. That's a parody opinion pokig fun at the original intent of this thread; to show non-whites(particularly first and second generation europeans) as more dangerous than whites(particularly third or more generation europeans).

I do a mean tango though. :)

Fine, 18+7(inter-white)=25

25/58 = 43%

Whites are still underrepresented as RMM.

Ok.

I'm white. I beat my white wife.
Battery.

I'm white. I beat my black wife.
"Racially motivated crime" ?