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COMMENTARY: This is just one of many accomplished soldiers in Iraq who is a member of the unwashed, uneducated rabble Senator Kerry so despises:


Medic Aids Fallen Marine With Skill and a Prayer (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/world/middleeast/02medic.html?th&emc=th)


KARMA, Iraq, Oct. 30 — Petty Officer Third Class Dustin E. Kirby clutched the injured marine’s empty helmet. His hands were coated in blood. Sweat ran down his face, which he was trying to keep straight but kept twisting into a snarl.

He held up the helmet and flipped it, exposing the inside. It was lined with blood and splinters of bone.

“The round hit him,” he said, pausing to point at a tiny hole that aligned roughly with a man’s temple. “Right here.”

Petty Officer Kirby, 22, is a Navy corpsman, the trauma medic assigned to Second Mobile Assault Platoon of Weapons Company, Second Battalion, Eighth Marines. Everyone calls him Doc. He had just finished treating a marine who had been shot by an Iraqi sniper.

“It was 7.62 millimeter,” he continued. “Armor piercing.”

He reached into his pocket and retrieved the bullet, which he had found. “The impact with the Kevlar stopped most of it,” he said. “But it tore through, hit his head, went through and came out.”

He put the bullet in his breast pocket, to give to an intelligence team later. Sweat kept rolling off his face, mixed with tears. His voice was almost cracking, but he managed to control it and keep it deep. “When I got there, there wasn’t much I could do,” he said.

Then he nodded. He seemed to be talking to himself. “I kept him breathing,” he said.

He looked at Lance Cpl. Matias Tafoya, his driver, and raised his voice. It was almost a shout. “When I told you that I do not let people die on me, I meant it,” he said. “I meant it.”

He scanned the Iraqi houses, perhaps 150 yards away, on the other side of a fetid green canal. Marines were all around, pressed to the ground, peering from behind machine-gun turrets or bracing against their armored vehicles, aiming rifles at where they thought the sniper was.

The sniper had made a single shot just as the marines were leaving a rural settlement on the western edge of Karma, a city near Falluja in Anbar Province.

The marines had been searching several houses on this side of the canal, where they found five Kalashnikov assault rifles and bomb components, and were getting back into their vehicles when everyone heard the shot. It was a single loud crack.

No one was precisely sure where it had come from. Everyone knew precisely where it hit. It struck a marine who was peering out of the first vehicle’s gun turret. He collapsed.

Petty Officer Kirby rushed to him and found him breathing. He bandaged the marine’s head as the vehicle lurched away. Soon he helped load the wounded marine into a helicopter, which touched down beside the convoy within 12 minutes of the shot.

Once the helicopter lifted away, he ran back to his vehicle, ready to treat anyone else. He was thinking about the marine he had already treated.

“If I had gone with him,” he said, and glanced to where the helicopter had flown away, over the line of date palms at the end of a field. His voice softened. “But I’m not with him,” he said.

He turned, faced a reporter and spoke loudly again. “In situations and times like this, I am bound to start yelling and shouting furiously,” he said. “Don’t think I am losing my mind.”

He held his bloody hands before his face, to examine them. They were shaking. He made fists so tight his veins bulged. His forearms started to bounce.

“His name was Lance Cpl. Colin Smith,” he said. “He said a prayer today right before we came out, too.”

“Every time before we go out, we say a prayer,” he said. “It is a prayer for serenity. It says a lot about things that do pertain to us in this kind of environment.”

The only sounds were Doc’s voice and the vehicle’s engine thrumming.

He recited the prayer. There was a few moments of silence. “It’s a platoon kind of thing, if you know what I mean,” he said.

He listened to his radio headset and looked at Lance Corporal Tafoya, relaying word of the marines’ movements. “Right now the grunts are performing a hard hit on a house,” he said. He turned back to the subject of Lance Corporal Smith, 19.

“The best news I can throw at anybody right now, and that I am throwing to myself as often as I can, is that his eyes were O.K.,” he said. “They were both responsive. And he was breathing. And he had a pulse.”

He listened to his radio. “Two houses they’ve hit so far have both been swept and cleared.”

He looked at the reporter beside him. “Do you pray?” he asked. “Do that. I’d appreciate it.”

After a few minutes he started talking again. “You see, having a good platoon, one that you know real well, it’s both a gift and a curse. And Smith? Smith has been with me since I was...”

He stopped. “He was my roommate before we left,” he said.

[ Read the rest of the article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/world/middleeast/02medic.html?th&emc=th) ]

And if you bothered to look at the context of Kerrys statement, and his vigerous defense against the bullshit accusations you'll see he despises the idiot who put the brave soldiers needlessly in the line of fire and not the soldiers themselves.

Let's milk Kerry's stupid comment for all it's worth, shall we.

Let's milk Kerry's stupid comment for all it's worth, shall we.

I tihnk we could get another three of four threads out of it. Then of course another three or so more out of his apology, assuming he really did make one. I don't even trust that newspaper as far as I can throw it.

COMMENTARY: This is just one of many accomplished soldiers in Iraq who is a member of the unwashed, uneducated rabble Senator Kerry so despises:



And don't let the fact that he has now explained himself -and that that explanation makes perfect sense in light of his own active service- sway you at all.

Yes, because Kerry's service in Vietnam makes him such a better person.

Here, I'll say it:

Military service does not a better, or worse, person make.

How many US soldiers have died fighting Bush's war on Iraq?

Yes, because Kerry's service in Vietnam makes him such a better person.

Here, I'll say it:

Military service does not a better, or worse, person make.

No it doesnt, but it does mean he is far less likely to have deliberately disparaged the military in the form implied, which was the point I was trying to make.

How many US soldiers have died fighting Bush's war on Iraq?

too many.

and too many Iraqi's.

its a cluster fuck but not as much as a cluster fuck that is the Whitehouse and Downing Street.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,443754,00.html

Just thought I'd throw this one in there.

Using a story like that to hit Kerry with it... how... cynical...

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Eut, the story of the medic is an interesting & worthy one, but trying to link it to bash Kerry does you no favours.

Let's milk Kerry's stupid comment for all it's worth, shall we.

What is really needed is an equal understanding of 'foot-in-mouth' statements by all sides concerned. How much bandwidth did Bush's 'never been stay the course' gaffe create? Just a goof, yet it was hailed as a policy reversal by all concerned. Or how about the video he made for a Press Club dinner a few years? It was criticized by the Democrats as 'disrespectful' to the troops in Iraq that were searching for WMDs. To paraphrase Mr King (Not Martin Luther), "Can't we all just lighten up?"

No it doesnt, but it does mean he is far less likely to have deliberately disparaged the military in the form implied, which was the point I was trying to make.

He has disparaged the American military in a worse form by his book 'The New Soldier'.

"One of the "uneducated" soldiers Kerry so despises." Yes, we know Eutrusca is uneducated, but what does this have to do with Kerry making a joke about george "uneducated" Bush getting stuck in Iraq?

Surely this isn't the first time you guys the other side of the pond have seen a politician make a gaffe, no?

Of course, Republicans would never blatantly blame the military for their mistakes *cough*Boehner's remarks about Rumsfeld prompt Democratic demands for apology

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Majority Leader John Boehner's defense of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld during a CNN interview Wednesday has triggered a new political flap and demands for an apology, just hours after Democratic Sen. John Kerry issued his own mea culpa.

In an interview with CNN's "The Situation Room," Boehner -- an Ohio Republican who offered a ringing defense of Rumsfeld over the weekend -- said, "Let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld," to which CNN's Wolf Blitzer replied, "But he's in charge of the military."

"The fact is, the generals on the ground are in charge, and he works closely with them and the president," Boehner replied. Both Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid interpreted that exchange as an attempt by Boehner to blame U.S. generals for failings in Iraq, and they quickly demanded an apology. (Posted 9:10 p.m.)*cough*

Huh? I don't get it... what's this supposed to be about?

How very opportunistic of you Eut. Twist a man's words to mean what they didn't, and then stab him in the back. And he fought in the same military as you, no less.

So much for comraderie I guess. Does Karl Rove pay well, at least? :rolleyes:

The only people accused of uneducation is Bush by Kerry and everyone on this board by your insulting of their intelligence by repeatedly posting this trash.

Huh? I don't get it... what's this supposed to be about?

He is trying to use an awesome dead done by what appears to be a good guy to bash a politician

Kind of makes me nauseous

And if you bothered to look at the context of Kerrys statement, and his vigerous defense against the bullshit accusations you'll see he despises the idiot who put the brave soldiers needlessly in the line of fire and not the soldiers themselves.

Fuck John Kerry, that lying, cheating, arrogant prick! I hate the son-of-a-bitch!

He is trying to use an awesome dead done by what appears to be a good guy to bash a politician

Kind of makes me nauseous

That's pretty much what I felt simply reading that oh-so-heroic-and-brave article...

ah geez, not this shit again!

Call me when Eut stops slandering Mr. Kerry

*sigh* I thought we cleared this bullshit up in the other THREE threads, one of which Eut was a major part of!

He's purposely starting shit, this time. I'm calling Troll.

Let's milk Kerry's stupid comment for all it's worth, shall we.

Sure! Pretty much what I had it mind, as a matter of fact. He's indicative of the arrogant, elitist pricks who try to tell the rest of us what to think, how to act, and for whom we should vote.

Sure! Pretty much what I had it mind, as a matter of fact. He's indicative of the arrogant, elitist pricks who try to tell the rest of us what to think, how to act, and for whom we should vote.

Eut, it might be news to you, but he IS a politician.

Sure! Pretty much what I had it mind, as a matter of fact. He's indicative of the arrogant, elitist pricks who try to tell the rest of us what to think, how to act, and for whom we should vote.

What, you mean politicians? Yeah. They all do that. Welcome to the world.

And don't let the fact that he has now explained himself -and that that explanation makes perfect sense in light of his own active service- sway you at all.

I won't. Thanks.

The statement indicates a mind-set that says, "I'm so much more intelligent and cool than you can ever hope to be, so elect me as your leader and I will make all your decisions for you!" Asshole.

Yeah, it's not like you're coming across as a rabid moron or anything, as usual.

Yes, because Kerry's service in Vietnam makes him such a better person.

Here, I'll say it:

Military service does not a better, or worse, person make.

It does it you're not a fucking blueblood.

Sure! Pretty much what I had it mind, as a matter of fact. He's indicative of the arrogant, elitist pricks who try to tell the rest of us what to think, how to act, and for whom we should vote.

And what does this article have to do with any of that, Eut? I thought you already had a thread about Kerry and his remarks.

Fuck John Kerry, that lying, cheating, arrogant prick! I hate the son-of-a-bitch!

You're the one lying when you purposefully take his words out of context - particulary when the guy has even gone to explain the context to you. Or did you ram your fingers back in your ears right after the botched joke and then miss the quite clear rebuttal and clarification of context?

Hell - even decent conservatives are agreeing it was a botched joke.

No it doesnt, but it does mean he is far less likely to have deliberately disparaged the military in the form implied, which was the point I was trying to make.

Bullshit. He was an arrogant prick then, he was an arrogant prick when he denounced all of us who USE to be his fellow soldiers, and he's still an arrogant prick.

Try wiping the spittle from the screen and reading what you type occasionally.

Eut, the story of the medic is an interesting & worthy one, but trying to link it to bash Kerry does you no favours.

I just wanted everyone to see one of the unwashed, ignorant, uneducated soldiers Kerry holds in such contempt.

What is really needed is an equal understanding of 'foot-in-mouth' statements by all sides concerned. How much bandwidth did Bush's 'never been stay the course' gaffe create? Just a goof, yet it was hailed as a policy reversal by all concerned. Or how about the video he made for a Press Club dinner a few years? It was criticized by the Democrats as 'disrespectful' to the troops in Iraq that were searching for WMDs. To paraphrase Mr King (Not Martin Luther), "Can't we all just lighten up?"

I'm not defending Bush, he's ... linguistically challenged. I'm attacking Kerry who's an elitist prick.

He has disparaged the American military in a worse form by his book 'The New Soldier'.

Egggg-xactly!

I just wanted everyone to see one of the unwashed, ignorant, uneducated soldiers Kerry holds in such contempt.

He does? Strange that only you seem to think that.

Bullshit. He was an arrogant prick then, he was an arrogant prick when he denounced all of us who USE to be his fellow soldiers, and he's still an arrogant prick.

He denounced the assholes who committed warcrimes. Did you commit warcrimes, Eut? If not, shut the fuck up, because he wasn't talking about you. I don't remember him ever saying anything along the lines of "I hate all the marines back there because they all raped me up the ass" - no, that never came up, to my knowledge.

He spoke against the war because the war was wrong. Get over it. Vietnam was wrong.

He's far LESS arrogant than you are, Eut. Your arrogance surpasses that of a fucking god.

I just wanted everyone to see one of the unwashed, ignorant, uneducated soldiers Kerry holds in such contempt.

We saw, and we moved on.
Happy?

Egggg-xactly!

I don't even think you've read it, Eut.

"One of the "uneducated" soldiers Kerry so despises." Yes, we know Eutrusca is uneducated, but what does this have to do with Kerry making a joke about george "uneducated" Bush getting stuck in Iraq?

Thanks for the "uneducated" flame.

Kerry wasn't MAKING a joke, he IS a joke!

Eut doesn't seem to have much to say about John Boehner's actual slagging off of the military though...

How can Bush be called uneducated when he went to an Ivy League school?

:rolleyes:

This, I believe is, where the 'joke' backfired...

Surely this isn't the first time you guys the other side of the pond have seen a politician make a gaffe, no?

Certainly not. But sometimes "gaffes" are revaltory of the true thinking and attitudes of the person making them, as this was with Kerry.

Thanks for the "uneducated" flame.

Kerry wasn't MAKING a joke, he IS a joke!

Sorry, it's was the only way I could make a connection between your title and the subject matter.

Thanks for the "uneducated" flame.

Kerry wasn't MAKING a joke, he IS a joke!

You're flaming and trolling. You're the last person who should mention anything near common decency on forums.

He's no joke. You're a biased, arrogant, elitist, senile old fool who has a grudge against a man you've never met and don't know that much about. You need help, Eut.

How can Bush be called uneducated when he went to an Ivy League school?

:rolleyes:

This, I believe is, where the 'joke' backfired...

Just because you went to a good school doesn't make you educated. I know plenty of people who went to good schools who don't know their arse from their elbow.

How can Bush be called uneducated when he went to an Ivy League school?

:rolleyes:

This, I believe is, where the 'joke' backfired...

He went to an Ivy Leage School, because his dad has authority and money. He passed that school because his dad has authority and money.

Fortunate son.

How very opportunistic of you Eut. Twist a man's words to mean what they didn't, and then stab him in the back. And he fought in the same military as you, no less.

So much for comraderie I guess. Does Karl Rove pay well, at least? :rolleyes:

About what I would have expected from you ... forgive every insightful "gaffe" the prick Kerry makes, and go to great lengths to point out how linguistically challenged Bush is. His words meant exactly what they said, and were indicative of his elitist snobbery. He didn't fight "in the same military" I did. The people I served with were honorable and didn't return to this Country and tell blatant lies to a congressional subcommitte for political gain.

The only people accused of uneducation is Bush by Kerry and everyone on this board by your insulting of their intelligence by repeatedly posting this trash.

( shrug ) So sue me.

I won't. Thanks.

The statement indicates a mind-set that says, "I'm so much more intelligent and cool than you can ever hope to be, so elect me as your leader and I will make all your decisions for you!" Asshole.

As oposed to Bush's *dear-leader-knows-best* policies...

ah geez, not this shit again!

Call me when Eut stops slandering Mr. Kerry

I don't have to "slander" Kerry, he does that quite well all by his lonesome.

About what I would have expected from you ... forgive every insightful "gaffe" the prick Kerry makes, and go to great lengths to point out how linguistically challenged Bush is. His words meant exactly what they said, and were indicative of his elistist snobbery. He didn't fight "in the same military" I did. The people I served with were honorable and didn't return to this Country and tell blatant lies to a congressional subcommitte for political gain.

All of which does not effect what millitary he served in ...

What a silly way to put it

About what I would have expected from you ... forgive every insightful "gaffe" the prick Kerry makes, and go to great lengths to point out how linguistically challenged Bush is. His words meant exactly what they said, and were indicative of his elistist snobbery. He didn't fight "in the same military" I did. The people I served with were honorable and didn't return to this Country and tell blatant lies to a congressional subcommitte for political gain.

Yes, his words meant exactly what they said. They did not mean what you want them to say.

This thread is indicative of elitist snobbery.

*sigh* I thought we cleared this bullshit up in the other THREE threads, one of which Eut was a major part of!

He's purposely starting shit, this time. I'm calling Troll.

So report me and get me thrown off of here. That's typical tactics for people whose speech you want to supress.

I don't have to "slander" Kerry, he does that quite well all by his lonesome.

No he makes an idiot of himself … that is different. I do not believe it is actually possible to “Slander” yourself

Yeah, it's not like you're coming across as a rabid moron or anything, as usual.

So report me. I'm beyond caring now.

Just because you went to a good school doesn't make you educated. I know plenty of people who went to good schools who don't know their arse from their elbow.

there is a difference between intelligence and education....

Fuck it.

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DO NOT FEED THE EUTROLL.

I always wondered what sort of person votes for Bush.

there is a difference between intelligence and education....

True. But no school in the world will ever be a guarantee for either.

there is a difference between intelligence and education....

True that

He went to an Ivy Leage School, because his dad has authority and money. He passed that school because his dad has authority and money.

Fortunate son.

sorry guy but that is fluff.

He denounced the assholes who committed warcrimes. Did you commit warcrimes, Eut? If not, shut the fuck up, because he wasn't talking about you. I don't remember him ever saying anything along the lines of "I hate all the marines back there because they all raped me up the ass" - no, that never came up, to my knowledge.

He spoke against the war because the war was wrong. Get over it. Vietnam was wrong.

He's far LESS arrogant than you are, Eut. Your arrogance surpasses that of a fucking god.

He said American soldiers "raped, pilliged and plundered after the fashion of Gengis Khan." And far worse than that. He said all of those things in testimony before a congressional sub-committee. In saner times, the prick would have been executed for sedition and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

True. But no school in the world will ever be a guarantee for either.

Well thats the issue isn't it really? Is education subjective?

It does it you're not a fucking blueblood.

Or an immature dick.

He said American soldiers "raped, pilliged and plundered after the fashion of Gengis Khan." And far worse than that. He said all of those things in testimony before a congressional sub-committee. In saner times, the prick would have been executed for sedition and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Even if it was true?

Eut doesn't seem to have much to say about John Boehner's actual slagging off of the military though...

Sorry, but I don't even know who "John Boehner" is.

He said American soldiers "raped, pilliged and plundered after the fashion of Gengis Khan." And far worse than that. He said all of those things in testimony before a congressional sub-committee. In saner times, the prick would have been executed for sedition and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

So he should lie? Is that what you are saying?

Well thats the issue isn't it really? Is education subjective?

Culturally, yes.

So report me. I'm beyond caring now.

We are getting WAY beyond caring:rolleyes:

He said American soldiers "raped, pilliged and plundered after the fashion of Gengis Khan." And far worse than that. He said all of those things in testimony before a congressional sub-committee. In saner times, the prick would have been executed for sedition and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Guess what? What he said was true. Those things happened. He didn't say ALL of them did those things, but he said he saw those things happen. Those things should NEVER happen, and they did. He spoke the truth, and you persecute him for it.

You're flaming and trolling. You're the last person who should mention anything near common decency on forums.

He's no joke. You're a biased, arrogant, elitist, senile old fool who has a grudge against a man you've never met and don't know that much about. You need help, Eut.

Whatever. Sue me. :)

sorry guy but that is fluff.

No, it's truth. He's obviously not a very intelligent man, and there's records that state that he was doing cocaine, drinking excessively, and generally partying all the time - he was even stopped for a DUI, but didn't get in trouble because of the connections his father has.

In saner times, the prick would have been executed for sedition and giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I'm pretty sure you and every other sane person in the world's definition of sane is entirely different. Maybe you should convert to radical Islam where you inherent system of opinionated crap could easily jump into a relevant context.

Culturally, yes.

Bingo!

Yes, his words meant exactly what they said. They did not mean what you want them to say.

This thread is indicative of elitist snobbery.

LMAO! You really do have limited capacity for comprehension, don't you! Tsk!

Whatever. Sue me. :)

Yes, 'whatever'. No 'logic' or 'truth' can sway your stubborn opinions of an innocent man.

I reported you in the Mod forum.

LMAO! You really do have limited capacity for comprehension, don't you! Tsk!

Comprehension, meaning to take things in the context they were said? I have a far greater ability for that than you, apparently.

Or an immature dick.

LMAO! Ohh! I'm cut to the quick! The pain! The PAIN! :D

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Does anyone else here like boobies?

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COMMENTARY: This is just one of many accomplished soldiers in Iraq who is a member of the unwashed, uneducated rabble Senator Kerry so despises:
You can drop the faux outrage any time now. :rolleyes:

COMMENTARY: This is just one of many accomplished soldiers in Iraq who is a member of the unwashed, uneducated rabble Senator Kerry so despises:


Medic Aids Fallen Marine With Skill and a Prayer (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/world/middleeast/02medic.html?th&emc=th)


KARMA, Iraq, Oct. 30 — Petty Officer Third Class Dustin E. Kirby clutched the injured marine’s empty helmet. His hands were coated in blood. Sweat ran down his face, which he was trying to keep straight but kept twisting into a snarl.

He held up the helmet and flipped it, exposing the inside. It was lined with blood and splinters of bone.

“The round hit him,” he said, pausing to point at a tiny hole that aligned roughly with a man’s temple. “Right here.”

Petty Officer Kirby, 22, is a Navy corpsman, the trauma medic assigned to Second Mobile Assault Platoon of Weapons Company, Second Battalion, Eighth Marines. Everyone calls him Doc. He had just finished treating a marine who had been shot by an Iraqi sniper.

“It was 7.62 millimeter,” he continued. “Armor piercing.”

He reached into his pocket and retrieved the bullet, which he had found. “The impact with the Kevlar stopped most of it,” he said. “But it tore through, hit his head, went through and came out.”

He put the bullet in his breast pocket, to give to an intelligence team later. Sweat kept rolling off his face, mixed with tears. His voice was almost cracking, but he managed to control it and keep it deep. “When I got there, there wasn’t much I could do,” he said.

Then he nodded. He seemed to be talking to himself. “I kept him breathing,” he said.

He looked at Lance Cpl. Matias Tafoya, his driver, and raised his voice. It was almost a shout. “When I told you that I do not let people die on me, I meant it,” he said. “I meant it.”

He scanned the Iraqi houses, perhaps 150 yards away, on the other side of a fetid green canal. Marines were all around, pressed to the ground, peering from behind machine-gun turrets or bracing against their armored vehicles, aiming rifles at where they thought the sniper was.

The sniper had made a single shot just as the marines were leaving a rural settlement on the western edge of Karma, a city near Falluja in Anbar Province.

The marines had been searching several houses on this side of the canal, where they found five Kalashnikov assault rifles and bomb components, and were getting back into their vehicles when everyone heard the shot. It was a single loud crack.

No one was precisely sure where it had come from. Everyone knew precisely where it hit. It struck a marine who was peering out of the first vehicle’s gun turret. He collapsed.

Petty Officer Kirby rushed to him and found him breathing. He bandaged the marine’s head as the vehicle lurched away. Soon he helped load the wounded marine into a helicopter, which touched down beside the convoy within 12 minutes of the shot.

Once the helicopter lifted away, he ran back to his vehicle, ready to treat anyone else. He was thinking about the marine he had already treated.

“If I had gone with him,” he said, and glanced to where the helicopter had flown away, over the line of date palms at the end of a field. His voice softened. “But I’m not with him,” he said.

He turned, faced a reporter and spoke loudly again. “In situations and times like this, I am bound to start yelling and shouting furiously,” he said. “Don’t think I am losing my mind.”

He held his bloody hands before his face, to examine them. They were shaking. He made fists so tight his veins bulged. His forearms started to bounce.

“His name was Lance Cpl. Colin Smith,” he said. “He said a prayer today right before we came out, too.”

“Every time before we go out, we say a prayer,” he said. “It is a prayer for serenity. It says a lot about things that do pertain to us in this kind of environment.”

The only sounds were Doc’s voice and the vehicle’s engine thrumming.

He recited the prayer. There was a few moments of silence. “It’s a platoon kind of thing, if you know what I mean,” he said.

He listened to his radio headset and looked at Lance Corporal Tafoya, relaying word of the marines’ movements. “Right now the grunts are performing a hard hit on a house,” he said. He turned back to the subject of Lance Corporal Smith, 19.

“The best news I can throw at anybody right now, and that I am throwing to myself as often as I can, is that his eyes were O.K.,” he said. “They were both responsive. And he was breathing. And he had a pulse.”

He listened to his radio. “Two houses they’ve hit so far have both been swept and cleared.”

He looked at the reporter beside him. “Do you pray?” he asked. “Do that. I’d appreciate it.”

After a few minutes he started talking again. “You see, having a good platoon, one that you know real well, it’s both a gift and a curse. And Smith? Smith has been with me since I was...”

He stopped. “He was my roommate before we left,” he said.

[ Read the rest of the article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/world/middleeast/02medic.html?th&emc=th) ]

This is what... your third thread on the same topic? Kerry apologized like you wanted. Not for a bad joke this time but to the soldiers he shouldn't have had to. Taken in context Mr. Karry was talking about, "I was in Texas the other day, the state where Mr. Bush used to live... He now lives in the state of DENIAL" He then went into the stupid line that made everyone cringe. Read the transcript of the speech and not the sound-bytes. He first makes a joke about Texas and Bush and then launches into that line, the two being clearly connected. However you'll buy the spin hook line and sinker like a good little bot. For the last time, you have two threads on the same topic authored by you already you board spamming troll.

He had been too cordial — just as Vice President Gore had been too cordial in 2000 — just as millions of us, have been too cordial ever since.

Senator Kerry, as you well know, spoke at a college in Southern California. With bitter humor, he told the students that he had been in Texas the day before, that President Bush used to live in that state, but that now he lives in the state of denial.

He said the trip had reminded him about the value of education — that quote "if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you can get stuck in Iraq."

The Senator, in essence, called Mr. Bush stupid.

The context was unmistakable: Texas;the state of denial;stuck in Iraq. No interpretation required.

And Mr. Bush and his minions responded, by appearing to be too stupid to realize that they had been called stupid.

They demanded Kerry apologize — to the troops in Iraq.

And so he now has.:mp5:

Bingo!

I'm not going there. If you want to make a statement about education in the USAmerican culture, do it on your own :p ;)

LMAO! Ohh! I'm cut to the quick! The pain! The PAIN! :D

Why is it that whenever you're in one of these threads and people point out how stupid and untruthful the things you say are, you begin to laugh and post smilies?

Anyone here a doctor? Is this a symptom of Alzheimers?

No, it's truth. He's obviously not a very intelligent man, and there's records that state that he was doing cocaine, drinking excessively, and generally partying all the time - he was even stopped for a DUI, but didn't get in trouble because of the connections his father has.

did not say it was not true....just said that for the sake of this discussion your post was fluff...

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Does anyone else here like boobies?

Spam >> Trolling

You win the thread!

Boobies>spam>flaming *nods*

Does anyone else here like boobies?

Spam >> Trolling

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Love 'em.

Even if it was true?

For someone whose Nation Name includes the word "sane," you sure don't seem to have much sanity. It wasn't true ... period. The reason "attrocities" stand out during Vietnam is because they were the exception rather than the rule. Kerry gave testimony which indicated that "attrocities" were the rule, rather than the exception, based on his whole six months in-country, and on having served as a sailor on a fucking boat. Jeeze. Get real!

So he should lie? Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying he shouldn't have attacked men with whom he supposedly served, he shouldn't have slandered the US Military of whom he was supposedly a part, and he should have told the truth rather than lies.

For someone whose Nation Name includes the word "sane," you sure don't seem to have much sanity. It wasn't true ... period. The reason "attrocities" stand out during Vietnam is because they were the exception rather than the rule. Kerry gave testimony which indicated that "attrocities" were the rule, rather than the exception, based on his whole six months in-country, and on having served as a sailor on a fucking boat. Jeeze. Get real!

Has it occured to you that maybe in Kerry's experience that was true? That maybe, just out of coincidence, he saw more atrocities than average?

I'm not going there. If you want to make a statement about education in the USAmerican culture, do it on your own :p ;)

LOLOL!!!! :)

For someone whose Nation Name includes the word "sane," you sure don't seem to have much sanity. It wasn't true ... period. The reason "attrocities" stand out during Vietnam is because they were the exception rather than the rule. Kerry gave testimony which indicated that "attrocities" were the rule, rather than the exception, based on his whole six months in-country, and on having served as a sailor on a fucking boat. Jeeze. Get real!
He was testifying as to what other soldiers had told him as well as his own experiences. But don't let your habitual dishonesty get in the way of slandering an officer you're not worthy of serving under.

Yes, 'whatever'. No 'logic' or 'truth' can sway your stubborn opinions of an innocent man.

I reported you in the Mod forum.

I don't give a shit.

Kerry was "innocent?" ROFLMFAO!!! Aaahahahahahahahhaa!

did not say it was not true....just said that for the sake of this discussion your post was fluff...

So you agree that it was true, yet you still insist that he must be intelligent because he "went to an Ivy League School"?

I tihnk we could get another three of four threads out of it. Then of course another three or so more out of his apology, assuming he really did make one. I don't even trust that newspaper as far as I can throw it.

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I'm saying he shouldn't have attacked men with whom he supposedly served, he shouldn't have slandered the US Military of whom he was supposedly a part, and he should have told the truth rather than lies.

so there were no atrocities committed by US troops during Vietnam?

I don't give a shit.

Kerry was "innocent?" ROFLMFAO!!! Aaahahahahahahahhaa!

There's that laughing again. I'm actually starting to worry about you, Eut.

So you agree that it was true, yet you still insist that he must be intelligent because he "went to an Ivy League School"?

Educated.... :rolleyes:

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Does anyone else here like boobies?

Spam >> Trolling

Boobies FTW!

I don't give a shit.

Kerry was "innocent?" ROFLMFAO!!! Aaahahahahahahahhaa!

So they give you a computer with access to the internet and let you choose whether or not to take your medication in your nursing home?

Educated.... :rolleyes:

He's only educated if he actually participated in the classes, which is highly unlikely.

For someone whose Nation Name includes the word "sane," you sure don't seem to have much sanity. It wasn't true ... period. The reason "attrocities" stand out during Vietnam is because they were the exception rather than the rule. Kerry gave testimony which indicated that "attrocities" were the rule, rather than the exception, based on his whole six months in-country, and on having served as a sailor on a fucking boat. Jeeze. Get real!

If the worst thing you can say about his testimony was that he misrepresented the frequency of atrocities, then I'll take it that what he reported as atrocities actually did occur. That doesn't make him a liar or a fool, just a concerned serviceman trying to keep the military accountable.

He's only educated if he actually participated in the classes, which is highly unlikely.

Oh I don't know....he must have gone to cheerleading class! :p

So they give you a computer with access to the internet and let you choose whether or not to take your medication in your nursing home?

Thats as relevent-and stupid- as if Eutrusca suggested they let you wear hemp sandals on your commune.

spare us, please.

Oh I don't know....he must have gone to cheerleading class! :p
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"Hehe boobies hehe"

Thats as relevent-and stupid- as if Eutrusca suggested they let you wear hemp sandals on your commune.

spare us, please.
I see he lends you some of his meds occasionally.

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"Hehe boobies hehe"

Kudos!

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"Hehe boobies hehe"

That's a decent shop, actually.

Thats as relevent-and stupid- as if Eutrusca suggested they let you wear hemp sandals on your commune.

spare us, please.

It's as relevant as Eutrusca's thread title was to the article he posted. That's proof of trolling to my mind.

So they give you a computer with access to the internet and let you choose whether or not to take your medication in your nursing home?

Less Troll Feeding

More Boobies. (http://vilesilencer.com/kelly/kelly_brook15.jpg)

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"Hehe boobies hehe"

You come second in the thread! :D

It's as relevant as Eutrusca's thread title was to the article he posted. That's proof of trolling to my mind.

But his asshattery doesn't exclude flaming on our side, either.

Anyway, less talk, more boobies!

I see he lends you some of his meds occasionally.

oh- you got me there. And here I was expecting-" I kow you are, but what am I? "

Less Troll Feeding

More Boobies. (http://vilesilencer.com/kelly/kelly_brook15.jpg)

I never argue with boobies. Nice choice, btw.

Fuck John Kerry, that lying, cheating, arrogant prick! I hate the son-of-a-bitch!


Eut, I did have a fair bit of respect for you. But you have totally lost it all by praising a deserter while slagging off a combat vet for purely partisan reasons.
:upyours:

If, IF, it was truly a joke - mighty convenient explanation - then it was in poor taste and shows a lack of decorum on the part of a United States Senator.

It reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Krusty is having dinner with the Simpsons. He makes an off-color comment and everyone stares at him. After a pause, he says;

"It's a joke! When you look at me that way, it's a joke!"

Yeah, sure it was a joke, Kerry...

He denounced the assholes who committed warcrimes. Did you commit warcrimes, Eut? If not, shut the fuck up, because he wasn't talking about you. I don't remember him ever saying anything along the lines of "I hate all the marines back there because they all raped me up the ass" - no, that never came up, to my knowledge.

He spoke against the war because the war was wrong. Get over it. Vietnam was wrong.

He's far LESS arrogant than you are, Eut. Your arrogance surpasses that of a fucking god.
You're flaming and trolling. You're the last person who should mention anything near common decency on forums.

He's no joke. You're a biased, arrogant, elitist, senile old fool who has a grudge against a man you've never met and don't know that much about. You need help, Eut.
Why is it that whenever you're in one of these threads and people point out how stupid and untruthful the things you say are, you begin to laugh and post smilies?

Anyone here a doctor? Is this a symptom of Alzheimers?
So they give you a computer with access to the internet and let you choose whether or not to take your medication in your nursing home?
For someone whose Nation Name includes the word "sane," you sure don't seem to have much sanity. It wasn't true ... period. The reason "attrocities" stand out during Vietnam is because they were the exception rather than the rule. Kerry gave testimony which indicated that "attrocities" were the rule, rather than the exception, based on his whole six months in-country, and on having served as a sailor on a fucking boat. Jeeze. Get real!

After looking through this thread, I'm sorry to say most of the problems I see are from posters putting themselves in opposition to Eutrusca. And then mainly for attacking him on a more personal level then simply sticking to the point. You don't think the point is valid? DEBATE IT. This is not a place where we censor opinions just because someone thinks they're "wrong".

This thread is getting closed for 2 reasons. One, it has gone off into spam/bickering. Two, the original connection was unnecessary given the presence of a thread about Kerry preexisting in General. It would have made an interesting addition, but merging it now would include all the other things here. Eutrusca, if you'd care to separate it a bit more or provide some more commentary that makes it a separate topic, feel free.