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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.

What is this world coming to?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.

What is this world coming to?

Hehehe, come.

It's that damn religion thing.. :(

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.

What is this world coming to?

yeah and then rick santorum will just throw the magical rings in a volcano!

wait...
wrong ring.

wait...
wrong ring.
Duh, she said "magic rings", not "magic ring." The plural "rings" makes it obvious that there is not just "One Ring", but more. Perhaps even . . . five.
And who is it that has five rings? The Planeteers: the only people on Earth who have any business reproducing because George Bush said so.

Waste of money. Does anyone honestly think a college student is going to listen to a person droning on about why they shouldn't have sex before marriage? Hell, if I were them, I'd get the girls and ride 'em. :D

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.

What is this world coming to?

Bankruptcy, at the rate they're going.

from the article
For last year's state grants, Congress appropriated $50 million. A similar amount is expected for 2007, but the money has not yet been allocated, according to the Administration for Children and Families.

Toss another check onto the pyre.

Duh, she said "magic rings", not "magic ring." The plural "rings" makes it obvious that there is not just "One Ring", but more. Perhaps even . . . five.
And who is it that has five rings? The Planeteers: the only people on Earth who have any business reproducing because George Bush said so.

I don't see how. They should be one of Bush's greatest enemies. I mean don't they fight businesses in some shows?

PS
Unless the places they teach this "Useful" education is a place that George can safely visit without being yelled out, it will never work. But if it is a Neo-con breeding ground state, then of course it would work.

Duh, she said "magic rings", not "magic ring." The plural "rings" makes it obvious that there is not just "One Ring", but more. Perhaps even . . . five.
And who is it that has five rings? The Planeteers: the only people on Earth who have any business reproducing because George Bush said so.

What if it's just two rings? The it would be the wondertwins...

but that would be incest....:confused:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.

What is this world coming to?Read about this a couple of days ago--told one of my college classes about it. Stunned silence was my reply.

This article disgusted me when I read it. Not only are they trying to fill a bottomless hole with money for adult abstinence, the reasons are absurd. Some guy said something to the effect of if people should be getting married then procreating, because that is obviously everyone's purpose in life with sex, procreation. Gee thanks, today 2001, tomorrow 1400. 1400 here we come!

What a complete & utter waste of money. I tried one of those rings once, I don't know if it made me last any longer, but it started to hurt after a while.

This article disgusted me when I read it. Not only are they trying to fill a bottomless hole with money for adult abstinence, the reasons are absurd. Some guy said something to the effect of if people should be getting married then procreating, because that is obviously everyone's purpose in life with sex, procreation. Gee thanks, today 2001, tomorrow 1400. 1400 here we come!
The joke's on them, because in the 1400s, people were going at it like minks, with nary a thought about rings, if the songs, poems, artwork and family histories are to be believed.

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.


ROFL!

Crazy Puritans.

Jesus ... even the Amish - THE AMISH - are ok with pre-marital sex.

The joke's on them, because in the 1400s, people were going at it like minks

That's the way to do it, mang! w00t!

ROFL!

Crazy Puritans.

Jesus ... even the Amish - THE AMISH - are ok with pre-marital sex.
Well, the Amish follow the Bible, and half the patriarchs and kings in the Bible are minking away every available hour, too, so... obviously....

Well, the Amish follow the Bible, and half the patriarchs and kings in the Bible are minking away every available hour, too, so... obviously....

Hooray! Never understood the Protestant distaste for sex. For a while I entertained the notion that they were all gay, but I guess that proved itself wrong over time.

Then I figured out that they were jealous of the size of their wives's dildo and I've yet to be disproven on that. ;)

$50 mill to tell adults not to do it?
wtf?

Then again, if they want to pay me a couple of $mill not to have sex for a year or two, they're certainly welcome to.
Not that going abstinent make much of a change to my love life at present, mind. But getting paid not to do what I'm not doing right now would be nice.


If they really want to make a difference, they should use that $50 mill to put more (and better) porn on the 'net. That way, people will be too busy whacking off (and afterwards too tired) to go out to try to score.

Also, since the main thrust (f'narr f'narr!) of their argument is that they want to promote marriage before procreation, then surely they'll be promoting homosexuality as well.
Think about it: More women become dykes: Less chance they become unmarried mothers. More guys go fag: Reducing the number of potential males for women to have premarital sex with.
win win all round!

Hooray! Never understood the Protestant distaste for sex. For a while I entertained the notion that they were all gay, but I guess that proved itself wrong over time.

Then I figured out that they were jealous of the size of their wives's dildo and I've yet to be disproven on that. ;)
Well, I mean, look at some of those early Protestants. I mean the ones that started all this shit. Would you bang them? There's a reason why some people spend their time thinking up minutely detailed and radically new social systems while other people are getting laid.

Well, I mean, look at some of those early Protestants. I mean the ones that started all this shit. Would you bang them? There's a reason why some people spend more time thinking up minutely detailed and radically new social systems while other people are getting laid.

Ok you just made me laugh so loud, I woke my son. Hush! Hehehe

Ok you just made me laugh so loud, I woke my son. Hush! Hehehe
You have a son? You WHORE!!!

You go put him back to bed. I'm going to put myself to bed now, too. Guess what I'll be dreaming about. Then guess what I WON'T be dreaming about. ;)

You have a son? You WHORE!!!

He was born in wedlock! I'm not a witch ... I'm not!

You go put him back to bed. I'm going to put myself to bed now, too. Guess what I'll be dreaming about. Then guess what I WON'T be dreaming about. ;)

Hehehehe .... you'll be dreaming about Amish babes and you know it!

Well, I mean, look at some of those early Protestants. I mean the ones that started all this shit. Would you bang them? There's a reason why some people spend their time thinking up minutely detailed and radically new social systems while other people are getting laid.

It's called "a necessary sacrifice in the name of God", like so many others. :p

He was born in wedlock! I'm not a witch ... I'm not!
That will be for the Inquistion to decide.


Hehehehe .... you'll be dreaming about Amish babes and you know it!
The beards...the hats...the buggies... *sigh*

It's called "a necessary sacrifice in the name of God", like so many others. :p
Which, the getting laid part or the other?

You know, when things like this happen, and I try to think where it all went so wrong, sometimes I get haunted by the idea that Western Civilization might have been saved by just a few well-timed pity fucks. Too late now, though, and anyway, I could never ask another woman to make that much of a sacrifice, no, not even for god.

The beards...the hats...the buggies... *sigh*

Omg ... second LOL moment of the night ... Amish chicks with beards .... you rock, man .... you rock like no other. ;)

It's that damn religion thing.. :(

hey, some religions have holy prostitutes. there's a goddess of prostitution in santeria. not all of us religious folk are prudes.

You get this but no public healthcare?

I wonder... Will the US ever make me stop going "What The FUCK?!" for just one day?

They probably would accomplish as much if they took the funding in cash, and dumped it into the mid-Atlantic.

They probably would accomplish as much if they took the funding in cash, and dumped it into the mid-Atlantic.

I and everyone I know could have lived comfortably for years on that funding...it really is kind of sad...

ROFL!

Crazy Puritans.

Jesus ... even the Amish - THE AMISH - are ok with pre-marital sex.

The Amish are ok with pretty much everything except technology

Duh, she said "magic rings", not "magic ring." The plural "rings" makes it obvious that there is not just "One Ring", but more. Perhaps even . . . five.
And who is it that has five rings? The Planeteers: the only people on Earth who have any business reproducing because George Bush said so.
One ring to rule them all
One ring to find them
One ring to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

George Bush is obviously trying to bring more people under the corrupting influence of the Rings of Power so he can bend them to his will (he has the One, after all)

http://www.kolumbus.fi/raine.maattanen/gurps/bush_ring.jpg

I agree with the sentiments of others. Doesn't the government have better things to spend millions of dollars on?

Also, since the main thrust (f'narr f'narr!) of their argument is that they want to promote marriage before procreation, then surely they'll be promoting homosexuality as well.
Think about it: More women become dykes: Less chance they become unmarried mothers. More guys go fag: Reducing the number of potential males for women to have premarital sex with.
win win all round!


Exactly! Encouraging homosexuality seems like a better idea to me. Abstinence may be 100% efective, but most people aren't willing to go without sex. Becoming a lesbian seems like an even more effective way to be sure that you won't get pregnant. If you're having hot lesbian sex as opposed to no sex at all, then you're less likely to have a moment of weakness and end up sleeping with a man.

I don't know why this isn't being taught instead of abstinence-only. :confused:

Exactly! Encouraging homosexuality seems like a better idea to me. Abstinence may be 100% efective, but most people aren't willing to go without sex. Becoming a lesbian seems like an even more effective way to be sure that you won't get pregnant. If you're having hot lesbian sex as opposed to no sex at all, then you're less likely to have a moment of weakness and end up sleeping with a man.

I don't know why this isn't being taught instead of abstinence-only. :confused:

incidentally, I was raised in a *very* strict christian household - I fully expected my first kiss to be at the church, on my wedding day. however, I was encouraged not to be such a wimp about taking my clothes off in front of other guys in the locker room...etc. my reasoning went as follows:

IF mortal, horrible sin to touch or look at female body
IF totally fine to walk around naked with a bunch of guys
THEN the sin must be in looking upon anatomical differences
ERGO I can do whatever I want with other guys - it's just being friendly!

at least it made sense when I was 12. then I saw the first debates about gay rights popping up in the news, asked my mom what "gay" meant, and realized it was a bit more complicated. rats. as a kid, I actually *did* think homosexuality was well within the bounds of christian abstinence...heh...whoops. I always wondered why I was the only one in my sunday school class who didn't have a problem with lust...

They're gonna need a lot more than just $50million if they want to stop adults having pre-marital sex.

I'm not a witch ... I'm not!

Sounds like just the sort of thing a Witch would say...

START THE FIRES!!

Sounds like just the sort of thing a Witch would say...

START THE FIRES!!

Keru turned me into a newt!




Well I got better.

The Amish are ok with pretty much everything except technology

You know how they don't use buttons (I think...)

Does that mean Amish guys don't have to worry about undoing Bra Clips?

You know how they don't use buttons (I think...)

Does that mean Amish guys don't have to worry about undoing Bra Clips?

No, the don't use buttons.

The question is: Do they use bras?

No, the don't use buttons.

The question is: Do they use bras?

Good thing is they would not slap you/knee you in the groin if you asked...

Good thing is they would not slap you/knee you in the groin if you asked...

This is true. Do any NSers live near Amish country? They could go on a fact finding mission for us.

This is true. Do any NSers live near Amish country? They could go on a fact finding mission for us.

I was born in the county next to the largest amish population in the world. I'll be returning home for thanksgiving. I doubt they would even know what you're asking - the amish only learn english for business - the ones in pennsylvania still speak german at home and in school. I doubt they learn the word for "Bra" in english, as they make all their own clothing.

I live in the middle of lancaster county, which has a large amount of Amish.

I don't know for certain, but I am pretty sure the don't. But you never know...I see them all hanging out at waslmart to.

Jesus ... even the Amish - THE AMISH - are ok with pre-marital sex.

Seriously? Wow. They seem a lot better all the time really. If I didn't love running water and modern conveniences so much...

They're gonna need a lot more than just $50million if they want to stop adults having pre-marital sex.

Convene the Inquisition!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.

What is this world coming to?

I agree. I imagine it's too late to influence the adults they are targeting, in any significant numbers anyway. The money would be better spent (if the objective is to reduce the problems in society brought on through pre-marital sexual relations) to develop a secular version of the Christian youth chastity promise movement. They could secularize the promise vow and ring idea, the vow of waiting until marriage to become sexually active with anyone and wearing a ring to publicly show it, and then take their secular version to the public middle schools and high schools.

I don't know what impact it would have, if any, perhaps a few children would wait a few more years than they would have without the program before they have relations and perhaps a few will be encouraged to hold to their guns and not submit to peer pressure as quickly, who knows... but I bet it would be more effective in the long run than the adult program they are talking about here, even without the ‘promise’ to themselves with the help of God stuff that lifts up the Christian version, it still might help in its weakened version.

I agree. I imagine it's too late to influence the adults they are targeting, in any significant numbers anyway. The money would be better spent (if the objective is to reduce the problems in society brought on through pre-marital sexual relations) to develop a secular version of the Christian youth chastity promise movement. They could secularize the promise vow and ring idea, the vow of waiting until marriage to become sexually active with anyone and wearing a ring to publicly show it, and then take their secular version to the public middle schools and high schools.

I don't know what impact it would have, if any, perhaps a few children would wait a few more years than they would have without the program before they have relations and perhaps a few will be encouraged to hold to their guns and not submit to peer pressure as quickly, who knows... but I bet it would be more effective in the long run than the adult program they are talking about here, even without the ‘promise’ to themselves with the help of God stuff that lifts up the Christian version, it still might help in its weakened version.The money would be better spent teaching kids how to use condoms. That way, you cover both the kids that don't want to wait and the kids that do.

I agree. I imagine it's too late to influence the adults they are targeting, in any significant numbers anyway. The money would be better spent (if the objective is to reduce the problems in society brought on through pre-marital sexual relations) to develop a secular version of the Christian youth chastity promise movement. They could secularize the promise vow and ring idea, the vow of waiting until marriage to become sexually active with anyone and wearing a ring to publicly show it, and then take their secular version to the public middle schools and high schools.

I don't know what impact it would have, if any, perhaps a few children would wait a few more years than they would have without the program before they have relations and perhaps a few will be encouraged to hold to their guns and not submit to peer pressure as quickly, who knows... but I bet it would be more effective in the long run than the adult program they are talking about here, even without the ‘promise’ to themselves with the help of God stuff that lifts up the Christian version, it still might help in its weakened version.
Something like 80 or 90% of the teenagers who take the abstinance pledge and wear the rings break the pledge. I don't think it would help to encourage people who aren't religious to wear them too.

And if that movement is all that's done in terms of sex ed then once they break the pledge, they're not going to know how to use contraceptives and we're going to run into the problem of having all these people running around having unprotected sex.

Also, not everyone has sex because of "peer pressure" I first had it because I wanted to. That's pretty much the only reason I ever have...

The money would be better spent teaching kids how to use condoms. That way, you cover both the kids that don't want to wait and the kids that do.

Do that too. That's sex education.

You get this but no public healthcare?

I wonder... Will the US ever make me stop going "What The FUCK?!" for just one day?

I wouldn't bet on it. :D

Something like 80 or 90% of the teenagers who take the abstinance pledge and wear the rings break the pledge. I don't think it would help to encourage people who aren't religious to wear them too.

And if that movement is all that's done in terms of sex ed then once they break the pledge, they're not going to know how to use contraceptives and we're going to run into the problem of having all these people running around having unprotected sex.

Who said anything about not teaching them something else?

Additionally, so you are saying the Christian movement decreases sexual activity in youth by 10%-20%? Well that's a start, it's better than doing nothing. If the price of my house is knocked down 10%-20% I'd be pretty happy.

Do that too. That's sex education.There aren't unlimited funds available. Until we reach every kid with sex education, there should be no federal funding whatsoever spent on abstinence only programs.

Who said anything about not teaching them something else?

Frankly, everyone who's pushing abstinence only sex ed, and that's who this "strategy" is being created for.

Who said anything about not teaching them something else?
That's what abstinance only education is about. Also, when you have kids agreeing to not have sex before marriage, they're not necessarily going to pay attention or learn say, how to apply a condom because they're not going to be in a situation where they'll need one.

Additionally, so you are saying the Christian movement decreases sexual activity in youth by 10%-20%? Well that's a start, it's better than doing nothing. If the price of my house is knocked down 10%-20% I'd be pretty happy.

Who said that those kids weren't going to wait anyways? Hell, I know plenty of people who either didn't or couldn't get laid until their 20s entirely on their own.

Oh, and also, I was peer-pressured into an absintance pledge and I totally broke it. I didn't put off sex for a couple years because of it, I had sex when I otherwise would have and the pledge didn't cross my mind until afterwards when I thought how funny and stupid it was. Besides, having sex before marriage isn't a bad thing. Being stupid about it is.

That's what abstinance only education is about. Also, when you have kids agreeing to not have sex before marriage, they're not necessarily going to pay attention or learn say, how to apply a condom because they're not going to be in a situation where they'll need one.

Abstinance programs do not have to be exclussive. Sex education is for married people too.

I agree. I imagine it's too late to influence the adults they are targeting, in any significant numbers anyway. The money would be better spent (if the objective is to reduce the problems in society brought on through pre-marital sexual relations) to develop a secular version of the Christian youth chastity promise movement. They could secularize the promise vow and ring idea, the vow of waiting until marriage to become sexually active with anyone and wearing a ring to publicly show it, and then take their secular version to the public middle schools and high schools.

I don't know what impact it would have, if any, perhaps a few children would wait a few more years than they would have without the program before they have relations and perhaps a few will be encouraged to hold to their guns and not submit to peer pressure as quickly, who knows... but I bet it would be more effective in the long run than the adult program they are talking about here, even without the ‘promise’ to themselves with the help of God stuff that lifts up the Christian version, it still might help in its weakened version.

peer pressure? we didn't evolve for millions of years and develope the physiological capacity for mind-blowing orgasms, and then go have sex because of peer pressure. that's like calling eating peer pressure. or breathing. eating breathing and sex are the most basic charactoristics of life. breathing is generally the safest, food...eh, not quite so safe (particularly not anymore, most americans eat themselves to death, if obesity related health complications are any indication), and sex is about as dangerous as eating. when you engage in the right sort of either food or sex, it's perfectly fine in moderation. occasional celebratory feasts are fine, too, so long as you don't binge. still, sex is not "peer pressure", it's biological fact. it's what we're here to do...at least if millions of years of evolution have anything to say about it.

Abstinance programs do not have to be exclussive. Sex education is for married people too.
That's what abstinance only education means and abstiance only programs are what are being funded by the american government.

Abstinance programs do not have to be exclussive. Sex education is for married people too.

Right, but when they're in middle and high school, no married people are there. There shouldn't ever be "abstinance-ONLY" education, because that's witholding a lot of information that could be a lot more useful than simply telling people not to fuck.

incidentally, I was raised in a *very* strict christian household - I fully expected my first kiss to be at the church, on my wedding day. however, I was encouraged not to be such a wimp about taking my clothes off in front of other guys in the locker room...etc. my reasoning went as follows:

IF mortal, horrible sin to touch or look at female body
IF totally fine to walk around naked with a bunch of guys
THEN the sin must be in looking upon anatomical differences
ERGO I can do whatever I want with other guys - it's just being friendly!

at least it made sense when I was 12. then I saw the first debates about gay rights popping up in the news, asked my mom what "gay" meant, and realized it was a bit more complicated. rats. as a kid, I actually *did* think homosexuality was well within the bounds of christian abstinence...heh...whoops. I always wondered why I was the only one in my sunday school class who didn't have a problem with lust...

thats some pretty good thinking for a 12 year old!

after all, doesnt leviticus say that thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman? soooo would you give a woman a blow job? well NO, women cant get blow jobs, so...blowjobs arent a sin. if you would never have anal sex with a woman then its FINE to have it with a man. (and since you would probably never receive anal sex from a woman, its always OK to receive.)

its even easier for lesbians. leviticus doesnt say that its an abomination to lie with a woman as with a man, so women can do as they please! (there is a ban on sex with goats but ive never had a problem with avoiding that one)

I agree. I imagine it's too late to influence the adults they are targeting, in any significant numbers anyway. The money would be better spent (if the objective is to reduce the problems in society brought on through pre-marital sexual relations) to develop a secular version of the Christian youth chastity promise movement. They could secularize the promise vow and ring idea, the vow of waiting until marriage to become sexually active with anyone and wearing a ring to publicly show it, and then take their secular version to the public middle schools and high schools.

I don't know what impact it would have, if any, perhaps a few children would wait a few more years than they would have without the program before they have relations and perhaps a few will be encouraged to hold to their guns and not submit to peer pressure as quickly, who knows... but I bet it would be more effective in the long run than the adult program they are talking about here, even without the ‘promise’ to themselves with the help of God stuff that lifts up the Christian version, it still might help in its weakened version.

there are plenty of adult virgins but i doubt that they are only hanging on by a thread and need some ad campaign to keep them to their ideals.

the difference between adults and teens is peer pressure. once you are out of highschool, your sexual experience is no longer a hot topic of debate at lunch time. unless you go to college at a party school....

but anyway. no one knows, no one cares whether or not you are having sex or have ever had sex. and if they find out that you are a virgin *gasp* they dont feel that your choice is an indictment of their choice.

i think schools would do a better job at promoting abstinence if they did a better job at showing kids that they have a future to look forward to. that if they pay attention and study hard they have the life they dream of.

and for those kids who dont choose abstinence, a good grounding in birth control is a good idea.

..snipped all the stuff I agree with ...


nothing left..

Has that ever happened between you and I before?

:eek:


;)

I'm waiting for the day I can get arrested for having sex without the government's permission.

Ignorance rules this country, although I think everyone who lives here is well aware. :(

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-30-abstinence-message_x.htm?csp=34

Yes, that's right, now in the US, they're spending money on telling adults that they shouldn't have sex without the power of some magical rings.

What is this world coming to?

Oh come on.. we all know that america will be non-existant by the end of the 22nd century... i give us (america) 125 years... america will crumble in 2136

haha:D

there are plenty of adult virgins but i doubt that they are only hanging on by a thread and need some ad campaign to keep them to their ideals.
That's the whole crux of the matter: If someone's abstinent in their twenties, it's usually through choice or just being unlucky.
If it's choice - there's no need for the Fed govt to spend millions of $ telling them to stay that way.
And if it's bad luck - well, they're not going to give up on trying to get laid, no matter what the govt tells them.

So this really is a total waste of taxpayers money. I'd be interested to see the names of who's behind this taxpayer funded scheme.
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Bush name there, somewhere. a la Ignite Learning.

Omg ... second LOL moment of the night ... Amish chicks with beards .... you rock, man .... you rock like no other. ;)

pssst...In case no one's mentioned it yet... I'm a chick.

pssst...In case no one's mentioned it yet... I'm a chick.

So um...wanna do it?








(OK, you have to admit that was funny in the context of the thread)

So um...wanna do it?








(OK, you have to admit that was funny in the context of the thread)
Adult Abstinence Program Doomed to Failure, Say Top Scientists. :D

Adult Abstinence Program Doomed to Failure, Say Top Scientists. :D

so...um....was that a yes? :p

so...um....was that a yes? :p
Guess.







See, now, this is why public programs to control adult sex are not necessary, so long as you have game-playing beyotches like me around to make y'all wait and work for it. ;) :D

Guess.







See, now, this is why public programs to control adult sex are not necessary, so long as you have game-playing beyotches like me around to make y'all wait and work for it. ;) :D

Tease.

Not...ya know...saying that that's necessarily a bad thing mind you.