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Or not so much. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/061031235233.s0l4o4wy.html)



Nearly half of Americans are not sure God exists, according to a poll that also found divisions among the public on whether God is male or female or whether God has a human form and has control over events.

The survey conducted by Harris Poll found that 42 percent of US adults are not "absolutely certain" there is a God compared to 34 percent who felt that way when asked the same question three years ago.

Among the various religious groups, 76 percent of Protestants, 64 percent of Catholics and 30 percent of Jews said they are "absolutely certain" there is a God while 93 percent of Christians who describe themselves as "Born Again" feel certain God exists.

When questioned on whether God is male or female, 36 percent of respondents said they think God is male, 37 percent said neither male nor female and 10 percent said "both male and female."

Only one percent think of God as a female, according to the poll.

Asked whether God has a human form, 41 percent said they think of God as "a spirit or power than can take on human form but is not inherently human."

As to whether God controls events on Earth, 29 percent believe that to be the case while 44 percent said God "observes but does not control what happens on Earth".

This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God. I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Why, exactly, do you think God should bless America any more than any other nation?

Why, exactly, do you think God should bless America any more than any other nation?

Its in the Bible Code :)

Or not so much. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/061031235233.s0l4o4wy.html)

This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God. I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.

That comment was so bigoted and stupid, i cannot satire it. It is satire incarnate. :headbang:

I seriously hope you find the courage to pull your face out of the sand of religious dogma, and take a good, long look at what religious faith has done to people. Without religion, good people will still be doing good things, and bad people will still be doing bad things. But, for a good person to do bad things: that takes religion.

Its in the Bible Code :)

Funny...I never knew that the men in the Middle East who wrote the bible knew America existed, let alone in the current state of The Democratic Republic of the United States of America...

Care to give me a book and chapter:verse?

Religion stopped having any real importance in European politics in the 17th century... get with the times, the USA!

Any God that would punish people for their beliefs is not a God worth following.

This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God.

That's a good summary.

I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.

No one's good, not even Christians.

Dont' make predictions. You don't know what will happen. Only repeat what God has said. And He hasn't mentioned New York or California in the Scriptures.

Why, exactly, do you think God should bless America any more than any other nation?

Because God is and always has been with us. He loves us more than all the other nations because we're just that damn good.

Funny...I never knew that the men in the Middle East who wrote the bible knew America existed, let alone in the current state of The Democratic Republic of the United States of America...

Care to give me a book and chapter:verse?

Its in the code, meaning its hidden in the words, not a specific verse or anything.

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/agedhippy/images/DoNotFeedTroll.gif

Please, please don't feed the trolls.

Its in the code, meaning its hidden in the words, not a specific verse or anything.
Ah right, in the same fashion that "I love satanic noodles, to be honest" is in there in the Moses bit, right?

Just gotta read between the lines...

That's a good summary.



No one's good, not even Christians.

Dont' make predictions. You don't know what will happen. Only repeat what God has said. And He hasn't mentioned New York or California in the Scriptures.

What happened on 911? NYC was attacked, and hell broke loose, now read revelation 9-11, it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose, coincedince? I think not.

Its in the code, meaning its hidden in the words, not a specific verse or anything.

Do you really believe that? :eek:

Please, tell me you don't really believe that. :(

So many right wing christians, so few lions.

What happened on 911? NYC was attacked, and hell broke loose, now read revelation 9-11, it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose, coincedince? I think not.
3000-odd people died... the destroyer sounds a little more drastic than that, to be honest. He's busy destroying that many people every day with malaria.

Because God is and always has been with us. He loves us more than all the other nations because we're just that damn good.


Amen :)

Religion stopped having any real importance in European politics in the 17th century... get with the times, the USA!Some of us are trying...Sadly, alot don't get it yet.

Any God that would punish people for their beliefs is not a God worth following.hear, hear.

That's a good summary.
I'm not fed up with God, as I don't believe He exists. What I AM fed up with are people who DO believe in God and think that I should be forced to follow His moral guide. That is my choice, and no one elses.

So no, I am not fed up with God.

Because God is and always has been with us. He loves us more than all the other nations because we're just that damn good.
ahhh...and here I thought it was because I finally showered today...

Well, if this strange thing you call god would destroy everybody who doesn't belive in him - he would have to nuke the whole planet...

Well, he has't kill me yet, nor any other member of my family, and we are all evil heathens who don't belive in any gods. Perhaps he doesn't care - or he doesn't even exist - who knows...

If I lie - god should strike me down.

...

...

...

Well, I'm still alive. ;)

Amen :)
DCD is very sarcastic, I hope you actually know that.

3000-odd people died... the destroyer sounds a little more drastic than that, to be honest. He's busy destroying that many people every day with malaria.

The war on terror began, which has killed how many around the world? Look at iraq. Its a world wide war.

DCD is very sarcastic, I hope you actually know that.

Quit your blaspheming. Jesus loves the USA. He gave us his blessing in the form of a military that can wipe out almost all human life on earth in his mercy.

Let me explain this to you:


Bush is a puppet
Socialism works
Capitalism has been reinterprated to mean "Hail Megacorps!"
Cheney's homicidal
Rumsfield's nuts
So is Fred Phelps
Jesus would hate the neocons.


That's all.

Oh, and immaculate conception is impossible.
Plus birth control is a good thing, and abortion isn't wrong. Neither is gay marriage.

I don't know about this whole fire-brimstone-God's-gonna-get-us thing. There have been so many more deserving nations that escaped divine wrath I think the big guy has fallen asleep at the "Smite" button.

What happened on 911? NYC was attacked, and hell broke loose, now read revelation 9-11, it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose, coincedince? I think not.

Maybe, maybe not.

Wait. I'm reading it and all it does is to name Abaddon. Hmmm... Oh wait the paragraph before talks about the locust demons. No mention of Abaddon being released himself. And no mention of them plaguing a particual place.

"They [the demons] were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or tree, but only thise people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads."

Revelation 9:4

I don't follow the dipensationalist herersy.

Because God is and always has been with us. He loves us more than all the other nations because we're just that damn good.

And the way you discovered the many foods cheese can be combined with - nobody else did that, did they?

So many right wing christians, so few lions.

So many pagans, so few stakes to burn them at.

Do you really believe that? :eek:

Please, tell me you don't really believe that. :(
I believe the bible and everything in it, wheter hidden or no, 100,000%

Its in the code, meaning its hidden in the words, not a specific verse or anything.

So it is your interpretation, yes?

And you are mortal, yes?

And all mortals are fallible, yes?

Therefore, you could be wrong, yes?

The Bible never once, explicitly nor implicitly, mentions America, the United States, or really, anywhere outside of a small region of the middle east (and a bit of Eastern Europe in the NT).

Show me where in this blessed "code" you see America. Then, PROVE that it is refering to America.

What happened on 911? NYC was attacked, and hell broke loose, now read revelation 9-11, it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose, coincedince? I think not.

Erm... there are very few dates that could translate into a verse of Revelations that doesn't involve something being destroyed.

I'm not sure if there is a word for something like a coincidence, but instead of the event being unlikely, it is almost certain. If there is - this is one.

What happened on 911? NYC was attacked, and hell broke loose, now read revelation 9-11, it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose, coincedince? I think not.

Um, no. It says that the demon locusts king was the destroyer. No locusts. No seal of God on foreheads. No five month tortures.

Try again.

The war on terror began, which has killed how many around the world? Look at iraq. Its a world wide war.
"it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose"

And that sounds a bit more drastic still than a couple of hundred thousand people, and it sounds a damned sight more swift also...




By the way, in 2016, the world will discover a new breed of whale. I read every 91st word of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone and took out those beginning with h-, and yeah... it'll be plain to see in a while!

I don't know about this whole fire-brimstone-God's-gonna-get-us thing. There have been so many more deserving nations that escaped divine wrath I think the big guy has fallen asleep at the "Smite" button.

I kinda wish he had fallen asleep ON the smite button, preferably aimed at Washington, D.C., Ann Coulter, and Katherine Harris.

Sodomy is illegal in North Carolina.

What happened on 911? NYC was attacked, and hell broke loose, now read revelation 9-11, it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose, coincedince? I think not.


He was on drums with "Venom" back in the day (Note I don't say "played"). Always wonder where Venom ended up....

Also...

Didn't Jesus say something about "turning the other cheek"?

The war on terror began, which has killed how many around the world? Look at iraq. Its a world wide war.

The last time I was outside, I didn't see any terrorists or soldiers. Hm, probably I live on Mars.

And how many people were killed? Not even 100.000, I think. More people died of car accidents. This means - the car is god's punishment for our sins!

I'm not fed up with God, as I don't believe He exists. What I AM fed up with are people who DO believe in God and think that I should be forced to follow His moral guide. That is my choice, and no one elses.

So no, I am not fed up with God.

First, he was speaking generally, not to you specifically. And second, I think you are fed up with God. You don't want to listen to Him, so He just doesn't exist. And what is evidence of this is your hate for the Law. But, that is my opinion, and as a right-wing Christian, my opinion does not matter.

Anyway, enough sarcasm from me. I think that you are sick of God and have adopted a spiritual denial. Again, my opinion.

So is murder.

And the way you discovered the many foods cheese can be combined with - nobody else did that, did they?

Dude, in some parts of the USA you can get a cheeseburger on a Krispy Kreme donut instead of a bun. If that ain't divine inspiration I don't know what is.

The war on terror began, which has killed how many around the world? Look at iraq. Its a world wide war.

So what happened to the other 4 trumpet calls?

Erm... there are very few dates that could translate into a verse of Revelations that doesn't involve something being destroyed.

I'm not sure if there is a word for something like a coincidence, but instead of the event being unlikely, it is almost certain. If there is - this is one.

The word you are looking for is bollocks.

I believe the bible and everything in it, wheter hidden or no, 100,000%

That's leaning toward some Gnosticism there, bud.

God has made everything required for salvation clear and everything unclear should be interpreted by scriptures which speak clearly.

Sodomy is illegal in North Carolina.Everything that's any fun is illegal in N.C.

Dude, in some parts of the USA you can get a cheeseburger on a Krispy Kreme donut instead of a bun. If that ain't divine inspiration I don't know what is.

Well, it's definately a surefire way to meet your maker.

The Bible never once, explicitly nor implicitly, mentions America, the United States, or really, anywhere outside of a small region of the middle east (and a bit of Eastern Europe in the NT).


Unless you're a Mormon.
BTW, I'll call bullshit on neocon pride:

They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.

Now, that doesn't sound anything like planes crashing into three buildings and a forest to me. It just sounds like it's naming some angel.

Well, it's definately a surefire way to meet your maker.

It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where the restaurant owners tried to kill Homer w/ the super creme filled pastry.

Also...

Didn't Jesus say something about "turning the other cheek"?



But the book of psalms says the workers of iniquities will be destroyed.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/violentx.html

http://www.gospelsinparallel.com/gospels/g-3-13.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_10:34#Advocating_violence

Anyway, enough sarcasm from me. I think that you are sick of God and have adopted a spiritual denial. Again, my opinion.

So you know what other people think now? Truly you must be blessed by God. :)

But the book of psalms says the workers of iniquities will be destroyed.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/violentx.html

http://www.gospelsinparallel.com/gospels/g-3-13.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_10:34#Advocating_violence

The Prophets spoke of salvation with there cries of fire and brimstone (which were not unmerited). Where's your evangelism. Your speaking of punishment, but where is the call for repentence?

Also...

Didn't Jesus say something about "turning the other cheek"?

Yeah, but it's often misinterpreted by liberals. What he actually meant was "Bitch-Slap people who mess with you"

Oh, and about the sodomy thing...that sounds impossible to enforce. Do they have cameras, or are they hoping people will admit to it? Maybe do it in public?

I believe the bible and everything in it, wheter hidden or no, 100,000%

Okay, I'll try and explain this, because you are like a thousand different flavours of wrong.

Even if you believe that the Bible is infallibe, you have to admit that this 'code' is not (as the code is not explicitly stated within the Bible, it must therefore be from outside the Bible).

If the code is outside the Bible that means that it is not divinely inspired, it is not the Word of God, and it is fallible. A human has contrived this code.

The Bible is essentially a bundle of words, hundreds of thousands of words. Your code has simply come up with an arbitrary method to rearrage these to support a hypothesis that was contrived beforehand. Likewise, I could come to the conclusion that God was a transvestite, and Jesus was just a lizard in a wig, after a while I could construct some sort of code that would have people flick through the Bible, read things out of context, and eventually support my hypothesis. And gullible idiots like yourself would believe me.

Surely you must accept that not everything that can be found in the Bible is correct, as, almost anything can be found in the Bible, if you misinterpret it enough.

The Prophets spoke of salvation with there cries of fire and brimstone (which were not unmerited). Where's your evangelism. Your speaking of punishment, but where is the call for repentence?


You either repent or you go to hell. Thats salvation.

First, he was speaking generally, not to you specifically.I am a member of the group he was generally refering to. I gave him a personal response. All other members of the group may do the same, if they so choose.

And second, I think you are fed up with God.
I think you're fed up with Zeus and Poisidon. Possibly Thor, and maybe even a sylph or two.
You don't want to listen to Him, so He just doesn't exist.No, that isn't how a lack of belief works. I don't believe he exists. It isn't a denial, it isn't anything. It is a lack. It is the same lack of belief you experienced when I mentioned Zeus, Poisidon, Thor, and the sylphs.
And what is evidence of this is your hate for the Law. There are laws I hate, laws I love, and laws I'm indifferent to. What "law" are we speaking of?
But, that is my opinion, and as a right-wing Christian, my opinion does not matter.

Anyway, enough sarcasm from me. I think that you are sick of God and have adopted a spiritual denial. Again, my opinion.
My opinion is that you have adopted logical denial. Again, my opinion.


mind you, I actually don't care whether someone believes in whatever higher power they subscribe to. I don't actually feel that it is a "logical denial". What I do care about is someone telling ME that I don't know what I belive. Particularly if they've never even spoken to me before this moment.

This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God. I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.
You've been brainwashed. Republican policies are not Christian policies. Neither are Democrat policies, really, but the Republican attempt at monopolising the image of Christianity makes this Christian sick.

But, for a good person to do bad things: that takes religion.
Such rubbish. Very few people are motivated to do bad things by religion. More people are motivated by political ideology, or their emotions.

What happened on 911? NYC was attacked, and hell broke loose, now read revelation 9-11, it says that the destroyer, abaddon would be let loose, coincedince? I think not.
By the same book, it is quite easy to draw a lot of parallels between Bush and the anti-Christ.

Since when is America a country?

America is a lot of countries: Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, México,...

You either repent or you go to hell. Thats salvation.

Quick question:

Are you holier than any other man?

Just for some insight.

By the same book, it is quite easy to draw a lot of parallels between Bush and the anti-Christ.

No, he is a saviour (http://www.bushislord.com/)among us mortal

I wonder if I should bring out the Treaty of Tripoli? Perhaps cause a few heads to explode?

I'm going to say this nicely...

You evolved from an ape (Or maybe, due to your personality, certain low forms of insectoids), not by being created by a nameless entity with the ability to make things happen. Sex is not wrong. If the end of the world ever comes, it's not going to result in happiness for ANYONE. Okay?

Since when is America a country?

America is a lot of countries: Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, México,...

We're talking about the real America. The USA and it's bitch up North. The rest is just a collection of dusty, poor brown people. Everyone knows they don't count.

We're talking about the real America. The USA and it's bitch up North. The rest is just a collection of dusty, poor brown people. Everyone knows they don't count.

Brilliant. I could not have said it better myself. Assuming you're being tongue in cheek, anyway...

I have a thing for polls like this. You say that a poll of only 2000 people is completely accurate if done correctly, but it can never ever be accurate, because 2000 peope will never represent the american population.

Since when is America a country?

America is a lot of countries: Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, México,...

United States of AMERICA, Republic of FRANCE, Republic of AGENTINA. See? You call them not by their first titles, i.e call America, the US, you call it by its secondary title..geez..grow a brain.:rolleyes:

No, he is a saviour (http://www.bushislord.com/)among us mortal

I smell troll...

We're talking about the real America. The USA and it's bitch up North. The rest is just a collection of dusty, poor brown people. Everyone knows they don't count.

If people from the USA were not that blind they would see they are who don't count... No one except them think they are great.

Really, I'm not trolling, you should know this: people from the rest of the world laugh at you.

Oh all right, if you insist:

Treaty of Tripoli:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion


Voted for unanimously in the US senate, 1797.

I have a thing for polls like this. You say that a poll of only 2000 people is completely accurate if done correctly, but it can never ever be accurate, because 2000 peope will never represent the american population.
But you can calculate the number of people you need to get a certain probability that the distribution observed in the sample is representative of the entire population.

It's algebra and statistical maths and stuff, but if a poll is done properly, saying "not representative" over and over again isn't going to discredit it.

On the other hand, we know that there are lots of other polls indicating that the Americans are generally fairly religious people. So make up your own mind, I suppose.

If people from the USA were not that blind they would see they are who don't count... No one except them think they are great.

Really, I'm not trolling, you should know this: people from the rest of the world laugh at you.

The fact is that nobody else's opinion matters anyway. We rule the world. Us. Our opinions matter. What other nation gets to choose the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD? Laugh if you want, we own you.

If people from the USA were not that blind they would see they are who don't count... No one except them think they are great.

Really, I'm not trolling, you should know this: people from the rest of the world laugh at you.

And others (that would be you BTW) are laughed at when they don't recognize obvious sarcasm.

We're talking about the real America. The USA and it's bitch up North. The rest is just a collection of dusty, poor brown people. Everyone knows they don't count.

It is Mc Donalds, not Donaldos after all......

You know what, I think God is a total teddybear in the end. I mean, just, loving, wise, compasionate...

The Old Testament God, the one that wasted Sodom and Gemorah...that was the New Testament God's older, meaner step-brother...

So you know what other people think now? Truly you must be blessed by God. :)

Romans 1:18-32 (ESV)

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts for impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

So repent! And declare Jesus Christ your personal Lord and Savior.

*snip circular argument*

So repent! And declare Jesus Christ your personal Lord and Savior.

No, that's OK, I'll take a rain check.

*sighs* I think I'll quote out Something Positive for truth in this matter:
The shortest verse of the Bible is 'Jesus wept'. The only thing wrong with it is the past tense."
http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10102006.shtml

It's crap like this, submited as parody or not, that gives the image of Christians around the world as a group of intolerant, bigoted, greedy, hypocrital people. It's statements like this that make it easy to say Christians are so caught up in being hoiler than everyone else that they will willingly, nay, joyfully, bring pain and suffering to others and call it good. That Christians do not respect others beliefs or opinions, or anything that doesn't conform with their narrow world view, and that world view seems to be something out of a sick horror tale. That AMERICAN Christians especially cannot see beyond the end of their God damned noses to the fact that the world is filled with people who aren't Americans and that there is nothing inherrent in the US that makes it more special in the eyes of God than anyone else.

This view of Christians makes it so easy to fear them, to ignore the good that is done, the message of Christ, the command to share clothing, food, love, those supposed Christian values that we have been bidden to show everyone, irregardless of who and what they are.

There's a name in the Bible for those people so caught up in being holy that while they know the Laws and follow them, they have never understood the spirit of those Laws. Jesus used to rebuke them time and time again and showed how hollow they actually were.

The past tense is wrong, Jesus weeps.

No, he is a saviour (http://www.bushislord.com/)among us mortal

A-hem.

Rev 13:18- "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

In the hebrew number system:

G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)

Add it up. Guess the number: 666.

Also, he initially announced his candidacy on June 12, 1999. Relevence? June is the 6 month, thus the first six. 12 is broken down in 6+6. 999=666 turned. Thus, he declared his candidacy on 6/6+6/1666.

Revelation 13:1-2 “And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns upon its horns, and a blasphemous name upon its heads. And the beast I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a mortal wound, but the mortal wound had been healed.”

The beat represents an empire... it is rather apparent as to Bush's spreading of the "American" empire, eh?

This beast is the image of a world empire – the final world empire, and the one that gives rise to the Antichrist. Its body is likened to a leopard, because according to Victorinus, a father of the early church "“This signifies the kingdom of that time of Antichrist, and the people mingled with the variety of nations.” The spots on the leopard are representative of a multi-national, multi-racial and multi-cultural 'melting pot'.. This was once the case with Rome, and it is currently the case with the United States of America. The mouth is like a lion because Americans speak English, and the United States was once an English colony, and England has always been represented by a lion on the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom. The bear is a symbol of Russia, and the bear-like feet of the beast is symbolic of the fact that the only other superpower for forty years was the Russian bear, but now the US is walking all over what was formerly Russian territory, and it now has its ‘feet’, or military bases planted in countries that were once part of the USSR, like Uzbekistan and Kyrgistan.

The beat is supposed to come from the sea-and the Americas were discovered by Columbus, through the sea.

Not to mention that the Antichrist will be one speaking of "peace" and "prosperity", hiding his true intentions. Listen to any of Bush's speeches-peace through violence, prosperity through violence. Also, the Antichrist will quote scripture, to lure "Christians" away from God.

Not only that, but John 2:18 "Many antichrists have made their appearance". Some think that Ronald Raegan was an antichrist. Compelling evidence:

Ronald Wilson Raegan. Each name has six letters. 3 names, six letters: 666.
Not only that, but he was the one who brought forth the neo-con movement, using religion for politics, talking of peace and prosperity(Using the sword, covered by these terms).

This is only a tiny, tiny part of the Bush-Antichrist connection.

If people from the USA were not that blind they would see they are who don't count... No one except them think they are great.

Really, I'm not trolling, you should know this: people from the rest of the world laugh at you.

And you think you're the first person on this international forum to come in with the "OMG! America?! Thats like, 20 different countries! You must mean the US!"

Yeah, we get it. Move on. The issue has been raised to the point where it is on a temporary ban. So get over it.

-Snip religious drivel-

Religion is funny! :)

Since when is America a country?

America is a lot of countries: Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, México,...

So when Iran screams down with America or people are screaming death to america they enclude Argentinians, Chileans, Ecudorians and Mexicans?

Wow what did they do to piss them off?

-snip-


The number of the beast is 616. The bible was mistranslated into english, thus GWB isn't likely to be antichrist. Also the antichrist would bring PEACE to the middle east(for 7 yrs), not war.

And technically I have enough evidence to declare myself the Anti-christ. Does it mean I am? Nope

Fnord!

My work here is done.

The number of the beast is 616. The bible was mistranslated into english, thus GWB isn't likely to be antichrist. Also the antichrist would bring PEACE to the middle east(for 7 yrs), not war.

And technically I have enough evidence to declare myself the Anti-christ. Does it mean I am? Nope

aww...I still believe you're the anti-christ:fluffle:

Amen :)
Are you that thick?

I seriously hope you find the courage to pull your face out of the sand of religious dogma, and take a good, long look at what religious faith has done to people. Without religion, good people will still be doing good things, and bad people will still be doing bad things. But, for a good person to do bad things: that takes religion.

Old quote and wrong.

You also forget that religion has made bad people do good things. See the norwegian serial killer who saw the passion of the christ and then immidately turned himself in

aww...I still believe you're the anti-christ:fluffle:

Wanna be my false prophet? We can "desecrate" each other's temple all night long!

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AllllllRight! :D

The number of the beast is 616. The bible was mistranslated into english, thus GWB isn't likely to be antichrist. Also the antichrist would bring PEACE to the middle east(for 7 yrs), not war.

And technically I have enough evidence to declare myself the Anti-christ. Does it mean I am? Nope

Shhh... they don't know that. I think I actually remember hearing of that.

But meh, Bush being the Antichrist is just as likely as anyone else, and him being the savior is down right laughable. Wasn't trying to say he WAS the antichrist, as it does take some convuluted logic to make him appear as such.

Old quote and wrong.

You also forget that religion has made bad people do good things. See the norwegian serial killer who saw the passion of the christ and then immidately turned himself in

HE is the one that killed Jesus? Well I'll be damned :p I'm glad he turned himself in.

Old quote and wrong.

You also forget that religion has made bad people do good things. See the norwegian serial killer who saw the passion of the christ and then immidately turned himself in
Yet Jesus didn't have the power to stop him being a serial killer in the first place. Religion -- a day late and a dollar short, as usual.

Yet Jesus didn't have the power to stop him being a serial killer in the first place. Religion -- a day late and a dollar short, as usual.

Or Jesus chose not to.

Wanna be my false prophet? We can "desecrate" each other's temple all night long!

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AllllllRight! :D

sounds good to me.

Wait...does being the false prophet mean I have to be little spoon?

and a dollar short



Thats why God wants you to tithe silly. :)

Or Jesus chose not to.

which would mean that the blood of those deaths is on Jesus' hands, same as if I knew a crime was going to happen and did nothing, it would be on my hands.

And this brings us to free will vs. determinism

which then brings us to if god exists or not, and why

which then brings us to a circular argument because religion is inherently illogical and circular in its very nature, making all of this pointless. So shall we skip it this one time?

Or Jesus chose not to.
Just as useless.

Old quote and wrong.

You also forget that religion has made bad people do good things. See the norwegian serial killer who saw the passion of the christ and then immidately turned himself in

Religion makes good people do bad things, too.

Like centuries of religious warfare, the deaths of millions, and the hate of races and civilizations.

Faith is a great thing that I respect, as long as it doesn't physiclly disturb anyone else; Religion in a totally corrupt and evil entity that

which would mean that the blood of those deaths is on Jesus' hands, same as if I knew a crime was going to happen and did nothing, it would be on my hands.

And this brings us to free will vs. determinism

which then brings us to if god exists or not, and why

which then brings us to a circular argument because religion is inherently illogical and circular in its very nature, making all of this pointless. So shall we skip it this one time?

Just pointing out another option.

Thats why God wants you to tithe silly. :)
He does nothing AND hits us up for cash. No wonder the rightwingers profess to believe in him so much. He truly does teach them how to live.

Just pointing out another option.

Oh, I understand. I'm just pointing out where this will all lead:)

He does nothing AND hits us up for cash. No wonder the rightwingers profess to believe in him so much. He truly does teach them how to live.

You can be most infuriating.

Or not so much. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/061031235233.s0l4o4wy.html)





This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God. I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.

http://pinguicula.typepad.com/photos/flickrfaves/sheep.jpg

Its in the Bible Code :)

HA! shows what you know, If you knew anything about the bible code you would know that-

1. America is to be destroyed and is considerd the new "evil" Roman Empire.

2. Your beloved Bush is considered the Anti-Christ, Along with Bin Ladin, *there is two anti-christs that combine into one in this proposed idea,

3. America is not only to be destroyed, but torn apart in rebbellion,

4. No nationality is persisted as "good" in the apocalyptic text.

Now, this is if you believe such things. I never said I believe this but I have read up on this extensivly, I dont believe that it is totall BS because the chances of all this stuff making a code is astronomical. anyways, thats what it says. Take it or leave it.

This dummy is on the Gabbly thing.



Welcome to Gabbly!

Zilam: Fag

Neocon Pride: Screw you butt head

Zilam: Haha you are so cool, twat stank

Neocon Pride: Eat my poop

God will Destroy you infidel!

Zilam: And I will destroy your mom's vagina later tonight


So far :p

http://pinguicula.typepad.com/photos/flickrfaves/sheep.jpg

I'm tempted to make a baaaaaaad joke


Oh wait...I guess I just did:( ;)

Faith is a great thing that I respect, as long as it doesn't physiclly disturb anyone else; Religion in a totally corrupt and evil entity that
I was not aware that the Salvation Army and St Jude's Children's Hospital were totally evil and corrupt.

I was not aware that the Salvation Army and St Jude's Children's Hospital were totally evil and corrupt.

Clearly. They help poor and sick people, those twisted fucks.

I'm tempted to make a baaaaaaad joke


Oh wait...I guess I just did:( ;)
*Pulls out trout, performs Monty Python's fish slapping dance on Sarkhaan for that horrible pun*


:p

*Pulls out trout, performs Monty Python's fish slapping dance on Sarkhaan for that horrible pun*


:p

I imagine your wife shant approve of such behavior:p

Or not so much. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/061031235233.s0l4o4wy.html)





This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God. I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.

know it is trolling

This one did not manage it

Now all jocularity aside I know usually people proclaim not to be fazed by a particular troll but this one is really bad and I cant figure out why. It has all the normal marks of a classic troll

Over generalization blanket statements claims on going to hell or that the end of the world is at hand. But it just does not do it

Maybe it is the fact that the quoted article gives me a bit of hope in this country.

I imagine your wife shant approve of such behavior:p
Oh I dunno about that, she's picked up my expression of "I shall beat you about the head and shoulders with a dead cod" and being Japanese, she loves fish. ;)

I was not aware that the Salvation Army and St Jude's Children's Hospital were totally evil and corrupt.

The Salvation Army and St Jude's Children's Hospital aren't molesting children or killing anyone in the name of God.

Plus, those are charities, and have no part in dictating church law over other people.

The Salvation Army and St Jude's Children's Hospital aren't molesting children or killing anyone in the name of God.

Plus, those are charities, and have no part in dictating church law over other people.
I never said that they were or did, but they are religious orginzations.

Proof that, perhaps, not all are corrupt and evil.

Oh I dunno about that, she's picked up my expression of "I shall beat you about the head and shoulders with a dead cod" and being Japanese, she loves fish. ;)

weird, with just a touch of potential kink. I like where this could lead.

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...what?

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AllllllRight! :D

Who else but Zilam?

*sighs* I think I'll quote out Something Positive for truth in this matter:
The shortest verse of the Bible is 'Jesus wept'. The only thing wrong with it is the past tense."

*rises to applaud*

He does nothing AND hits us up for cash. No wonder the rightwingers profess to believe in him so much. He truly does teach them how to live.

Isn't that the story of the lilies of the field? (Is that why they're called lily white suburbs?)

Heh.... God wrote the IRS code, :cool:

God bless the Solomon Islands! :eek:

So many pagans, so few stakes to burn them at.


I believe the bible and everything in it, wheter hidden or no, 100,000%

If you wish death on your fellow men, you do not believe the bible and everything in it 100%. You wish to burn non-Christians at the pyre. You wish death on your fellow men.
Also, Jesus was a commie. :)

You can be most infuriating.

I do my level best. hehehe. :p

Isn't that the story of the lilies of the field? (Is that why they're called lily white suburbs?)

Heh.... God wrote the IRS code, :cool:

Ah, it all makes sense now.

If you wish death on your fellow men, you do not believe the bible and everything in it 100%. You wish to burn non-Christians at the pyre. You wish death on your fellow men.
Also, Jesus was a commie. :)

lol

Just to make things clear, not all of us Christians wanna burn gays and non Christians. I for one am always open minded about many things and I try and encourage this to other people. And anyone who hides behind Christianity for their own hidden agenda...is called a Politician :D

Or not so much. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/061031235233.s0l4o4wy.html)





This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God. I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Are you doing a Stephen Colbert impression, or are you for real? The Statistics I've seen say 92 percent of Americans believe in some kind of god, and 80% are Christian.

So many pagans, so few stakes to burn them at.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! God, that never gets old.

lol

Just to make things clear, not all of us Christians wanna burn gays and non Christians. I for one am always open minded about many things and I try and encourage this to other people. And anyone who hides behind Christianity for their own hidden agenda...is called Bush :D

That's what you meant to say, right? ;) :p

Has anybody read the Book of Jonah?

Jonah is most famous for being "In the belly of the whale" but.. that's not what I wanted to give you.

The book of Jonah is a great example of how God's sense of Justice and his love for us combine...

Gold told Jonah to go and preach to Ninevah, a city that was the head of the Assyrian empire and it indeed was a wiked and terrible place. But did Jonah go? No. He fled and do you know why? Lest the citizens of Ninevah here the word he preached and repent.

But with the whole whale thing and a mighty storm God demanded his attention and directed him back to Ninevah where he preached the coming judgement and a call for repentace. And what did Ninevah do? It repented, it said that It wanted to change the way they live. And guess what. God stayed his Judgement. In the end Ninevah reverted to it's wicked ways and was judged because it turned it's back on God who was revealed to them.

That is exactly what God is doing today, God has sent his people Christians into the world to preach the coming Judgement as well as Jesus Christ the person that had taken the punishment for us. Now if accept the Punishment that was laid on Jesus was indeed for all the stuff Big to the tiny little stuff that no one knows about. Then we indeed will be saved but with we don't then we still carry the punishment and we have only have ourselves to blame.

This is a decision only you can make, you cannot make it for another person and your decision, which may affect another individual does not that they will follow your example. The fact is we ALL have done things that we know are wrong and we needs Gpd's forgiveness.

But how will people receive forgiveness if they aren't told?

Has anybody read the Book of Jonah?

Jonah is most famous for being "In the belly of the whale" but.. that's not what I wanted to give you.

The book of Jonah is a great example of how God's sense of Justice and his love for us combine...

Gold told Jonah to go and preach to Ninevah, a city that was the head of the Assyrian empire and it indeed was a wiked and terrible place. But did Jonah go? No. He fled and do you know why? Lest the citizens of Ninevah here the word he preached and repent.

But with the whole whale thing and a mighty storm God demanded his attention and directed him back to Ninevah where he preached the coming judgement and a call for repentace. And what did Ninevah do? It repented, it said that It wanted to change the way they live. And guess what. God stayed his Judgement. In the end Ninevah reverted to it's wicked ways and was judged because it turned it's back on God who was revealed to them.

That is exactly what God is doing today, God has sent his people Christians into the world to preach the coming Judgement as well as Jesus Christ the person that had taken the punishment for us. Now if accept the Punishment that was laid on Jesus was indeed for all the stuff Big to the tiny little stuff that no one knows about. Then we indeed will be saved but with we don't then we still carry the punishment and we have only have ourselves to blame.

This is a decision only you can make, you cannot make it for another person and your decision, which may affect another individual does not that they will follow your example. The fact is we ALL have done things that we know are wrong and we needs Gpd's forgiveness.

But how will people receive forgiveness if they aren't told?

No wonder I was confused. I thought we were talking about America.

Has anybody read the Book of Jonah?

Jonah is most famous for being "In the belly of the whale" but.. that's not what I wanted to give you.

The book of Jonah is a great example of how God's sense of Justice and his love for us combine...

Gold told Jonah to go and preach to Ninevah, a city that was the head of the Assyrian empire and it indeed was a wiked and terrible place. But did Jonah go? No. He fled and do you know why? Lest the citizens of Ninevah here the word he preached and repent.

But with the whole whale thing and a mighty storm God demanded his attention and directed him back to Ninevah where he preached the coming judgement and a call for repentace. And what did Ninevah do? It repented, it said that It wanted to change the way they live. And guess what. God stayed his Judgement. In the end Ninevah reverted to it's wicked ways and was judged because it turned it's back on God who was revealed to them.

That is exactly what God is doing today, God has sent his people Christians into the world to preach the coming Judgement as well as Jesus Christ the person that had taken the punishment for us. Now if accept the Punishment that was laid on Jesus was indeed for all the stuff Big to the tiny little stuff that no one knows about. Then we indeed will be saved but with we don't then we still carry the punishment and we have only have ourselves to blame.

This is a decision only you can make, you cannot make it for another person and your decision, which may affect another individual does not that they will follow your example. The fact is we ALL have done things that we know are wrong and we needs Gpd's forgiveness.

But how will people receive forgiveness if they aren't told?

Amen! I agree 1000%!

Has anybody read the Book of Jonah?

Jonah is most famous for being "In the belly of the whale" but.. that's not what I wanted to give you.

The book of Jonah is a great example of how God's sense of Justice and his love for us combine...

Gold told Jonah to go and preach to Ninevah, a city that was the head of the Assyrian empire and it indeed was a wiked and terrible place. But did Jonah go? No. He fled and do you know why? Lest the citizens of Ninevah here the word he preached and repent.

But with the whole whale thing and a mighty storm God demanded his attention and directed him back to Ninevah where he preached the coming judgement and a call for repentace. And what did Ninevah do? It repented, it said that It wanted to change the way they live. And guess what. God stayed his Judgement. In the end Ninevah reverted to it's wicked ways and was judged because it turned it's back on God who was revealed to them.

That is exactly what God is doing today, God has sent his people Christians into the world to preach the coming Judgement as well as Jesus Christ the person that had taken the punishment for us. Now if accept the Punishment that was laid on Jesus was indeed for all the stuff Big to the tiny little stuff that no one knows about. Then we indeed will be saved but with we don't then we still carry the punishment and we have only have ourselves to blame.

This is a decision only you can make, you cannot make it for another person and your decision, which may affect another individual does not that they will follow your example. The fact is we ALL have done things that we know are wrong and we needs Gpd's forgiveness.

But how will people receive forgiveness if they aren't told?

Ahhh good ol OT god (sorry I understand your story and have no major issue with it) but I always find the contrast intriguing.

Among the various religious groups, 76 percent of Protestants, 64 percent of Catholics and 30 percent of Jews said they are "absolutely certain" there is a God while 93 percent of Christians who describe themselves as "Born Again" feel certain God exists.

WHAT? How can a person belong to a monotheistic religious group if he isn't certain that there IS a god? "Hey, I'm a Christian, I believe that Christ is the Son-God of the Father-God and that he died on the cross save humanity from eternal damnation, but I'm not sure that God exists!" :confused:

This poll looks like an idiocy to me.

The most recent TIME had an America By The Numbers, it's in front of me now. More believers than your stats; 66% have no doubts that God exists, 14% believe in a higher power, 11% have some doubts and 5% don't believe in anything beyond the physical world. Your stats are nicer, though. Good to see Americans are becoming more rational :)

WHAT? How can a person belong to a monotheistic religious group if he isn't certain that there IS a god? "Hey, I'm a Christian, I believe that Christ is the Son-God of the Father-God and that he died on the cross save humanity from eternal damnation, but I'm not sure that God exists!" :confused:

This poll looks like an idiocy to me.

They think that being a Christian (or Jew or Muslim or whatever, but I've noticed it more with "Christians") is about being a nice person, rather than about what you believe.

Religion stopped having any real importance in European politics in the 17th century... get with the times, the USA!

Sadly, it has importance still now in some countries, like Italy for example... then again, we succeeded in invading the Papacy! VIVA GARIBALDI!:D

They think that being a Christian (or Jew or Muslim or whatever, but I've noticed it more with "Christians") is about being a nice person, rather than about what you believe.

Do they know what "Christian" means, then?
They made differencies between Protestants and Catholics (I see they left out Orthodoxes, why?). So, assuming you're right, maybe in the poll's intentions, some of the "Christians" are "nicer" than other?
Or maybe the poll assumes that you're Catholic if you're of italian, polish, latin-american or irish descent, and Protestant if you're of british, german or dutch descent? Is this poll race-based or maybe race-biased?

Again, this poll is utter idiocy. :p

Do they know what "Christian" means, then?
They made differencies between Protestants and Catholics (I see they left out Orthodoxes, why?). So, assuming you're right, maybe in the poll's intentions, some of the "Christians" are "nicer" than other?
Or maybe the poll assumes that you're Catholic if you're of italian, polish, latin-american or irish descent, and Protestant if you're of british, german or dutch descent? Is this poll race-based or maybe race-biased?

Again, this poll is utter idiocy. :p

Part of it is the fault of the churches (the organizations) themselves. I go to a Presbyterian Church and a man who has been an elder for 35 years did a very good job of explaining his beliefs about Communion to me. Except his beliefs were in total agreeement with the Roman Catholic Church and totally against Presbyterianism.

But he's a nice man, he's attended church all his life, and he's involved, so obviously he would be a good elder. :rolleyes:

Sorry, tangent.

Part of it is the fault of the churches (the organizations) themselves. I go to a Presbyterian Church and a man who has been an elder for 35 years did a very good job of explaining his beliefs about Communion to me. Except his beliefs were in total agreeement with the Roman Catholic Church and totally against Presbyterianism.

But he's a nice man, he's attended church all his life, and he's involved, so obviously he would be a good elder. :rolleyes:

Sorry, tangent.

Agree. Most of the problems the world has with religions is the organisations' fault.

Never mind, arcosine.:D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! God, that never gets old.

One of my favorite retorts is "You know why Rome really fell? Not enough lions."

Or not so much. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/061031235233.s0l4o4wy.html)





This actually doesn't surprise me at all. I think Liberal America is getting fed up with God and his policies. God keeps wanting to keep the course with the salvation of the world, but evidently America just wants to cut and run away from the notion of there even being a God. I pray that God would not destroy us good Christians when he burns California and New York up like Sodom and Gomorrah.

This actually made me laugh. :D

Let me explain this to you:


Bush is a puppet
Socialism works
Capitalism has been reinterprated to mean "Hail Megacorps!"
Cheney's homicidal
Rumsfield's nuts
So is Fred Phelps
Jesus would hate the neocons.


That's all.

Oh, and immaculate conception is impossible.
Plus birth control is a good thing, and abortion isn't wrong. Neither is gay marriage.

and Soylent Green is PEOPLE!

Has anybody read the Book of Jonah?

Jonah is most famous for being "In the belly of the whale" but.. that's not what I wanted to give you.

The book of Jonah is a great example of how God's sense of Justice and his love for us combine...

Gold told Jonah to go and preach to Ninevah, a city that was the head of the Assyrian empire and it indeed was a wiked and terrible place. But did Jonah go? No. He fled and do you know why? Lest the citizens of Ninevah here the word he preached and repent.

But with the whole whale thing and a mighty storm God demanded his attention and directed him back to Ninevah where he preached the coming judgement and a call for repentace. And what did Ninevah do? It repented, it said that It wanted to change the way they live. And guess what. God stayed his Judgement. In the end Ninevah reverted to it's wicked ways and was judged because it turned it's back on God who was revealed to them.

That is exactly what God is doing today, God has sent his people Christians into the world to preach the coming Judgement as well as Jesus Christ the person that had taken the punishment for us. Now if accept the Punishment that was laid on Jesus was indeed for all the stuff Big to the tiny little stuff that no one knows about. Then we indeed will be saved but with we don't then we still carry the punishment and we have only have ourselves to blame.

This is a decision only you can make, you cannot make it for another person and your decision, which may affect another individual does not that they will follow your example. The fact is we ALL have done things that we know are wrong and we needs Gpd's forgiveness.

But how will people receive forgiveness if they aren't told?

My favorite rendition of this tale is from Lord Buckley: Jonah and the Whale (http://www.columbia.edu/~tdk3/jonah.html).

Do they know what "Christian" means, then?
They made differencies between Protestants and Catholics (I see they left out Orthodoxes, why?). So, assuming you're right, maybe in the poll's intentions, some of the "Christians" are "nicer" than other?
Or maybe the poll assumes that you're Catholic if you're of italian, polish, latin-american or irish descent, and Protestant if you're of british, german or dutch descent? Is this poll race-based or maybe race-biased?

Again, this poll is utter idiocy. :p
I don't know the methodology of this particular poll, but in general, such polls are based on how respondents self-identify. So, they'll ask people "Do you consider yourself..." and then they'll give them the list of options to choose which religion/type of religion they most identify with. So you're a "Christian" or whatever if you say you are.

Then they ask separate questions about whether you believe in God, and they'll give a scale of certainty for that which the respondent will place themselves on. The poll-takers do not ask WHY people believe what they say they believe. They make no assumptions such as "if they say they are Christian, then they believe in God", and they do not discount any responses just because they seem not to fit such assumptions. The poll-takers are just compiling numbers. It's up to the analysts -- sociologists, psychologists, theologians, etc -- to figure out what the numbers mean.

As to how people can call themselves monotheists but still have doubts as to whether God exists, I'd say those people are just being honest. Let's be real here -- most people do not join a religion because of any profound personal spiritual experience. They attend a church because their parents attended that church and their grandparents, and maybe even their great-grandparents. Or they join the church that is most popular in their community as a way of fitting in with the community, or they practice the religion that is indigenous to their nation or ethnic group. Religious practice is about family and society, not about any god, for most people. When you ask some such people if they believe in god, many will say yes, because that's part of the doctrine. They don't really think about the question seriously. But some of them do think about it, and many of them answer honestly that, when it comes to real issues of spirituality, they just do not know.