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Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this is driving me crazy. Option A? Option B?

greg and me.

you have to take out the "greg and" and see if it still makes sense. ;)

A.) Greg and I!

greg and me.

you have to take out the "greg and" and see if it still makes sense. ;)

Seconded.

"Greg and me"

Because it is the object of the preposition "with" the first person singular pronoun is in the objective case - "me"

If it were the subject of the sentence or the predicate nominative, it would be "I" because if the nominative case.

A.) Greg and I!

if the sentence was "Greg and I went to the movies with Katie" then yes, because if you take out the "Greg and" then it becomes "I went to the movies with Katie"

in Gin's example it's B

Katie went to the movies with Greg and me.

Katie went to the movies with me.

;)

A.) Greg and I!

You fail. Menos tu vida;)

it should be "me"

if the sentence was "Greg and I went to the movies with Katie" then yes, because if you take out the "Greg and" then it becomes "I went to the movies with Katie"

in Gin's example it's B

Katie went to the movies with Greg and me.

Katie went to the movies with me.

;)

You fail. Menos tu vida;)

it should be "me"

FACK! *commit seppuku in shame*

I would agree with option B

I believe it's "Me movie went to greg I me and the Katie" because of my mega-retard instinct (-300,000 IQ, remember?)

:D

Ok ... good to see consensus. Thanks all.

Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this driving me crazy. Option A? Option B? Or does it depend on the context?
B.

The subject of the sentence is "Katie". "Greg and me" is the object. As such, the object form of the first-person pronoun should be used.

Phrased another way, you could say "I went to the movies with Greg and Katie." Or "Katie and I went to the movies with Greg." But since you've placed yourself and Greg as the object of the sentence, the correct form is "Katie went to the moveis with Greg and me."

A.) Greg and I!

Greg and I!

Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this driving me crazy. Option A? Option B? Or does it depend on the context?

B.

Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this driving me crazy. Option A? Option B? Or does it depend on the context?

First of all, yes, it's option B. The other option is wrong (as others explained before me better than I could), probably due to hypercorrection on your part.

And just to be the bitch I usually am: There is no such thing as "more correct".. either both things are wrong, but one is less bad, or one is correct and the other isn't, or both are correct, but one is better. :)

Now that that's solved - the more pressing question remains!

Which movie did y'all see?

It should be, "Greg and me, as well as Desperate Measures."
I want to see a movie.

Greg and me, I believe. Though, I can't be absolutely sure unless someone who is an authority tells me that you and Greg are, in fact, objects.

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According to the inflection rule, the case that the NP which consists of both Greg and me will take is determined by the with under P via the PP knot.

with requires dative, thus it has to be me and not I.

Compare with:

with whom?
with him (not he)
with them (not they)

with Greg and whom?

with Greg and me.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/Baumdiagramm.jpg

According to the inflection rule, the case that the NP which consists of both Greg and me will take is determined by the with under P via the PP knot.

with requires dative, thus it has to be me and not I.

Compare with:

with whom?
with him (not he)
with them (not they)

with Greg and whom?

with Greg and me.

Quite correct, except English doesn't have a dative case. It has only nominative, objective, and possessive.

Quite correct, except English doesn't have a dative case. It has only nominative, objective, and possessive.
Ah. Meh. Objective. I never really bought that.
Only because the case isn't shown on the word any longer, that doesn't mean the noun doesn't carry case.

Ah. Meh. Objective. I never really bought that.
Only because the case isn't shown on the word any longer, that doesn't mean the noun doesn't carry case.

Well case can be expressed, but that does not mean that it's a grammtical element.

Whichever way you want to phrase it. The with is what calls for him (Greg) and me; not for he and I.

Whichever way you want to phrase it. The with is what calls for him (Greg) and me; not for he and I.

Yeah, that goes.

Subject versus object case. kids should be taught formal, correct grammar.

Well case can be expressed, but that does not mean that it's a grammtical element.
I'm with German nightmare on this one. Just because the dative case doesn't have a measureable consequence doesn't mean it isn't there.

I'm with German nightmare on this one. Just because the dative case doesn't have a measureable consequence doesn't mean it isn't there.

It's not expressed though morphology or phonology. It's expressed through syntax and semantics. I've always seen the "dative" grouped in with the objective case in English and agree that it should be so.

Otherwise you could argue that all cases are contained in all languages.

Actually it requires the accusative case (aka direct object), not the dative (indirect object).

And indeed, you can find every case in every language if you look hard enough. Obviously it depends on your perspective (there is no difference between accusative and dative in modern English), but in linguistics it is typically considered bad form to refer to a case as "objective".

Otherwise you could argue that all cases are contained in all languages.
They are. Some of them are simply expressed identically.

Subject versus object case. kids should be taught formal, correct grammar.
Find me some people who actually speak formal correct grammar all the time first.

Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this driving me crazy. Option A? Option B? Or does it depend on the context?

B is the correct answer. The sentence in A is missing the "the."

Actually it requires the accusative case (aka direct object), not the dative (indirect object).

And indeed, you can find every case in every language if you look hard enough. Obviously it depends on your perspective (there is no difference between accusative and dative in modern English), but in linguistics it is typically considered bad form to refer to a case as "objective".

Holy shit that's hardcore.

B is the correct answer. The sentence in A is missing the "the."

No, it isn't. What are you talking about?

No, it isn't. What are you talking about?

It was before. My quote brackets do not lie.

Do not rob me of my kudos for thinking outside the box! I demand kudos!

Its B. Easy way to tell is to remove the other person and see which one sounds right. Maria went to the movies with me sounds better than Maria went to the movies with I.

B, for all the reasons everybody else has mentioned.

Neither is correct. That two-timing, lying, cheating Katie. She told me she wasn't seeing Greg!

Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this is driving me crazy. Option A? Option B?
Would you say:
"Katie went to the movies with Greg and he."

"Katie went to the movies with Greg and him."

I, he, she, and they are all subjects and are the doers.

Me, him, her, and them are all subjects and have stuff done to them.

Clean stuff.;)

Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this is driving me crazy. Option A? Option B?

As about 20 people already said, B

As about 20 people already said, B

Too late.:p

Too late.:p

As are you.

Grammarians of NS, please help. Which of the following is more correct:

A) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and I."

OR

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

I always said it "Greg and I" but someone just tried to tell me otherwise. Which is more correct?! I must know, this is driving me crazy. Option A? Option B?

B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

Alternately, "Greg and I went to the movies with Katie."

Neither is correct. That two-timing, lying, cheating Katie. She told me she wasn't seeing Greg!
I don't ever even get invited anywhere by Katie, so you should be thankful.

I don't ever even get invited anywhere by Katie, so you should be thankful.

Yeah, well Greg told me I was the only person in his life. And now I find out about this :( :p

As are you.

Getting sassy are we?

It was before. My quote brackets do not lie.

Do not rob me of my kudos for thinking outside the box! I demand kudos!

Fine.

*Throws you kudos*

Now keep it quiet.

Getting sassy are we?

What are you talking about? I'm always sassy.

What are you talking about? I'm always sassy.

One of these days Alice..er Ladamesansmerci, one of these days.

One of these days Alice..er Ladamesansmerci, one of these days.

Alice? Where did you get that from? And what are you talking about? I'm so confused. :confused:

Alice? Where did you get that from? And what are you talking about? I'm so confused. :confused:

From the moon, errr, to the moon actually.

From the moon, errr, to the moon actually.

So Alice is from the moon...I thought Alice went to Wonderland.

ps. do you really eat snow?

Alice? Where did you get that from? And what are you talking about? I'm so confused. :confused:
Bang, zoom, straight, to the moon!

Bang, zoom, straight, to the moon!

I'm going to pretend I understand the reference...sooooooooo, how's that pot you've been smoking?

I'm going to pretend I understand the reference...sooooooooo, how's that pot you've been smoking?

It is from the Honeymooners. The husband would threaten to beat his wife (Alice) so hard that it would send her to the moon. No wonder the conservatives called it the glory days.

EDIT: Low for just about a month.

So Alice is from the moon...I thought Alice went to Wonderland.

ps. do you really eat snow?

PS, doesn't everyone eat snow?????

Actually it requires the accusative case (aka direct object), not the dative (indirect object).

And indeed, you can find every case in every language if you look hard enough. Obviously it depends on your perspective (there is no difference between accusative and dative in modern English), but in linguistics it is typically considered bad form to refer to a case as "objective".
I never thought I'd consider myself a linguist (but I will write my exam paper on linguistics).
Yes, I believe you're right.
B) "Katie went to the movies with Greg and me."

Alternately, "Greg and I went to the movies with Katie."
A good way of showing that the personal pronoun is indeed subject to case change. Nicely done!
PS, doesn't everyone eat snow?????
Not the yellow kind. ;)

... Not the yellow kind. ;)

:D

And just to round out the Alice sequence ... "Hey, Ralphie boy!"