NationStates Jolt Archive

I mean, seriously. We claim to be the land of the free, but we deny gay marriage. Why?

Because god says it is "Wrong". How nice.

And the overcensorship. Look at what America does to anime! Practically butchers it to make it "Kid Friendly".
One Piece is a prime example. 'Oh my god! A cigar! Kids will smoke because they are stupid if they see it, so we'll replace it with a lollypop and get more time for ads which equal $$$ by cutting out the cigar lighting scenes!' Sounds like puritan christianity.

Yeah. Doesn't stuff like this tick you off too? Thoughts and opinions?

I miss the good old days when cartoons were all about stereotyping foreigners, smoking, and shoot guns.

Thoughts and opinions?

This OP makes no sense at all.

This OP makes no sense at all.

I think he's blaming "No Gay Marraige" and cartoon(or anime) censorship on Christianity in the American Government.

Yes, yes... America is a nanny state run by a bunch of paranoid Christians who don't want the youth to suddenly stop being good little sheep. It's a form of propaganda to encourage submissive attitudes. It's how they breed the republicans of tomorrow today.

I mean, seriously. We claim to be the land of the free, but we deny gay marriage. Why?

Because god says it is "Wrong". How nice.


Or maybe because marriage isnt a right but a social institution, and thus by nature it is acceptable to place limits on it EG, gender of partners, number of partners, age of partners etc.

I think he's blaming "No Gay Marraige" and cartoon(or anime) censorship on Christianity in the American Government.

*Nod* And various other things that have no real basis except that christian mothers have a hissy fit over it. Like violent games and the whole hype about that.

I think he's blaming "No Gay Marraige" and cartoon(or anime) censorship on Christianity in the American Government.

I got the gay marriage bit, but I fail to see how christianity is to blame for anime smoking censorship, as well as Adverisements in TV....

Or maybe because marriage isnt a right but a social institution, and thus by nature it is acceptable to place limits on it EG, gender of partners, number of partners, age of partners etc.

Why would gender matter? We have overpopulation as it is, and technically, shouldn't we have rights to who we marry? Go look at the opposition. It's 95% christians with bibles who are homophobes.

I got the gay marriage bit, but I fail to see how christianity is to blame for anime smoking censorship, as well as Adverisement in anime....
Actually... some anime can be quite racey. Take Sailor Moon for example. On North American television it's a feel-good fluffy, everyone loves everyone and the bad guy gets what's coming to him, but, the original Japanese version is crude, it has a lot of "questionable" content that many censorship groups find offensive.

Actually they deny gay marriage because it is "un-constitutional".

I mean, seriously. We claim to be the land of the free, but we deny gay marriage. Why?

Because god says it is "Wrong". How nice.

And the overcensorship. Look at what America does to anime! Practically butchers it to make it "Kid Friendly".
One Piece is a prime example. 'Oh my god! A cigar! Kids will smoke because they are stupid if they see it, so we'll replace it with a lollypop and get more time for ads which equal $$$ by cutting out the cigar lighting scenes!' Sounds like puritan christianity.

Yeah. Doesn't stuff like this tick you off too? Thoughts and opinions?

First, Gay Marriage is still being debated....I personally think that it's appropriete for the term civil unions with the same rights as marriage.

Second, how is "anime" "Kid friendly"......ever watch "South Park" and their are a lot of other cartoons I wouldn't recommend for kids. A lot of cartoons has a whole lot of violence too. Is that being kid friendly? How about the cartoons with gay characters? And yes there are some cartoons that depict characters smoking cigarettes, cigars, and yes even doing drugs. There are counless numbers of cartoons on air that I couldn't classify "Kid friendly" Are we in the same America?

I got the gay marriage bit, but I fail to see how christianity is to blame for anime smoking censorship, as well as Adverisement in anime....

Simple. It's because christians are the main religious people, and they scream and have bitch fits if smoke, booze, or such appears in anime. Anime people swear, and it's viewed by children in japan. But, oh no, AMERICAN children can't be "Corrupted".

What's wrong with you people? Don't you see that if gays can marry then the institution of marriage will be destroyed? Marriage is for straight people only because it's purpose is to provide a framework for a couple to raise many healthy, morally upright children who will grow up and do the same. If you legalize gay marriage then people will start marrying their relatives, pets, and automobiles and you'll end up with a situation where no straight men and women marry each other and there will be no more decent American families raising kids.

And the overcensorship. Look at what America does to anime! Practically butchers it to make it "Kid Friendly".
One Piece is a prime example. 'Oh my god! A cigar! Kids will smoke because they are stupid if they see it, so we'll replace it with a lollypop and get more time for ads which equal $$$ by cutting out the cigar lighting scenes!' Sounds like puritan christianity.

Since when was 4Kids Entertainment part of the US government?

Why would gender matter? We have overpopulation as it is, and technically, shouldn't we have rights to who we marry? Go look at the opposition. It's 95% christians with bibles who are homophobes.

Did you forget to post a source?

First, Gay Marriage is still being debated....I personally think that it's appropriete for the term civil unions with the same rights as marriage.

Second, how is "anime" "Kid friendly"......ever watch "South Park" and their are a lot of other cartoons I wouldn't recommend for kids. A lot of cartoons has a whole lot of violence too. Is that being kid friendly? How about the cartoons with gay characters? And yes there are some cartoons that depict characters smoking cigarettes, cigars, and yes even doing drugs. There are counless numbers of cartoons on air that I couldn't classify "Kid friendly" Are we in the same America?

Find one for kids. These animes are for kids. They contain violence, and blood, but not in extremes. One of the main characters smokes. But it is ALL REMOVED.

Simple. It's because christians are the main religious people,
So because christians are the largest religious group, they are to blame for censorship? Have you ever considered the idea that maybe the highly conservative secular american government censors the cartoons because they find them innapropriate for children? Or perhaps entertainment companies not wanting to offend parents so they don't ban their kids from watching the companie's show?

and they scream and have bitch fits if smoke, booze, or such appears in anime. Anime people swear, and it's viewed by children in japan. But, oh no, AMERICAN children can't be "Corrupted".

Hooray blanket generalizations!

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I mean, seriously. We claim to be the land of the free, but we deny gay marriage. Why?

Because god says it is "Wrong". How nice.

And the overcensorship. Look at what America does to anime! Practically butchers it to make it "Kid Friendly".
One Piece is a prime example. 'Oh my god! A cigar! Kids will smoke because they are stupid if they see it, so we'll replace it with a lollypop and get more time for ads which equal $$$ by cutting out the cigar lighting scenes!' Sounds like puritan christianity.

Yeah. Doesn't stuff like this tick you off too? Thoughts and opinions?

You're damn right. But I have to come from Spain to say you this, few united-states people can see that.

And don't talk about America as if USA were all America. The USA is only a part of America. There are a lot of countries in America. More civilized than the USA, I say.;)

What's wrong with you people? Don't you see that if gays can marry then the institution of marriage will be destroyed? Marriage is for straight people only because it's purpose is to provide a framework for a couple to raise many healthy, morally upright children who will grow up and do the same. If you legalize gay marriage then people will start marrying their relatives, pets, and automobiles and you'll end up with a situation where no straight men and women marry each other and there will be no more decent American families raising kids.

That was great :) I was worried that it was not going far enough until the automobiles … hehehehe top notch work

What's wrong with you people? Don't you see that if gays can marry then the institution of marriage will be destroyed?

Why do you say that? Why do you think this? There are countries were gay marriage is legal and nothing bad happened. Only love:fluffle:

Marriage is for straight people only because it's purpose is to provide a framework for a couple to raise many healthy, morally upright children who will grow up and do the same.

Says who? I always thought marriage were for love, not for sex and having children.:rolleyes:

If you legalize gay marriage then people will start marrying their relatives, pets, and automobiles and you'll end up with a situation where no straight men and women marry each other and there will be no more decent American families raising kids.

In Spain, gay marriage is legal, and we don't do any of those things. What you say is disgusting. Gay marriage is not disgusting.

And again, don't talk as if the USA is all America, it is only a part of America

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VG Cats is an awesome comic. ^^

Why do you say that? Why do you think this? There are countries were gay marriage is legal and nothing bad happened. Only love:fluffle:



Says who? I always thought marriage were for love, not for sex and having children.:rolleyes:



In Spain, gay marriage is legal, and we don't do any of those things. What you say is disgusting. Gay marriage is not disgusting.

And again, don't talk as if the USA is all America, it is only a part of America


In every country with gay marriage gays act all gay and use drugs and decent people lose touch with Jesus and live in sin.

Sex is for procreation, not recreation. That's why great men like senator Rick Santorum oppose contraception.

In Spain you guys sit around drinking sangria and popping ecstacy while decent folks fight against the evil Iraqi people. Gay marriage has destroyed your will to stand up and fight for the right of the democratically elected Iraqi government to become a morally upright Islamic republic like Iran where gays are hanged and pre marital sex can get you executed.

For now.

Jesus... Who *REALLY* believes in him anymore? Find me more than 10 christians who have not said "OH MY GOD" and broken one of the ten commandments by doing so. Yep, technically, you break em by doing that.

It pisses me off how people also claim to be christian but generally ignore most things about it except going to church every sunday. Perhaps they should actually READ THEIR BIBLES instead of gossiping and using church as their social clubs?

I wouldn't have a problem with christianity in America if they stopped doing these things:
1. Forcing their religion on others.
2. Sticking their nose into the government.

And did:
3. Actually fucking doing what their religion told them.

Then I wouldn't have a problem. But they seem to have shit instead of brains, so they just keep on ticking off the average person.

Jesus... Who *REALLY* believes in him anymore? Find me more than 10 christians who have not said "OH MY GOD" and broken one of the ten commandments by doing so. Yep, technically, you break em by doing that.

It pisses me off how people also claim to be christian but generally ignore most things about it except going to church every sunday. Perhaps they should actually READ THEIR BIBLES instead of gossiping and using church as their social clubs?

I wouldn't have a problem with christianity in America if they stopped doing these things:
1. Forcing their religion on others.
2. Sticking their nose into the government.

And did:
3. Actually fucking doing what their religion told them.

Then I wouldn't have a problem. But they seem to have shit instead of brains, so they just keep on ticking off the average person.

Forcing....have they actually put a gun to your head. As for them sticking their nose into the government does "Freedom of Religion" ring a bell. Must I remind you that America was founded on religous and christian beliefs.
We are all sinners, the only one who lived a sinless life was Jesus. Then He sacrificed himself so that all sinners could be saved.

May God have mercy on your soul.

Forcing....have they actually put a gun to your head. As for them sticking their nose into the government does "Freedom of Religion" ring a bell. Must I remind you that America was founded on religous and christian beliefs.
We are all sinners, the only one who lived a sinless life was Jesus. Then He sacrificed himself so that all sinners could be saved.

May God have mercy on your soul.

I agree that the constitution protects the right of Christians to practice their religion and to have their say, but the USA was not founded on Christian beliefs. That's a lie that christofascists like to propagate so they can make the USA a theocracy.

I agree that the constitution protects the right of Christians to practice their religion and to have their say, but the USA was not founded on Christian beliefs. That's a lie that christofascists like to propagate so they can make the USA a theocracy.

Just so.

And I have a problem with a religion that has the worthlessness of humanity as one of its basic tenets ("we are all sinners"). That and "you'll get your reward in the next world" (meaning "just put up with the oppression and after you die, you'll get your reward; meanwhile, work for me at a subsistence wage, okay?").

Forcing....have they actually put a gun to your head. As for them sticking their nose into the government does "Freedom of Religion" ring a bell. Must I remind you that America was founded on religous and christian beliefs.
We are all sinners, the only one who lived a sinless life was Jesus. Then He sacrificed himself so that all sinners could be saved.

May God have mercy on your soul.

1. Ever heard of the Inquistion from times, dearie? And door-to-door christians, and changing the pagan beliefs into "Satan-worshipping"?
2. Freedom? Sure. Representation? Not really. Christians still going around calling all people who don't believe in jesus and annoying the fuck out of us? Yes.
3. I would rather have my Goddess have mercy on my soul, thank you.

I agree that the constitution protects the right of Christians to practice their religion and to have their say, but the USA was not founded on Christian beliefs. That's a lie that christofascists like to propagate so they can make the USA a theocracy.
Christofascists? That's a good one. So, we have Islamofascists, Christofascists... ah yes! To add to the mix: Judeofascists. There, now no one is left out.

1. Ever heard of the Inquistion from times, dearie? And door-to-door christians, and changing the pagan beliefs into "Satan-worshipping"?
2. Freedom? Sure. Representation? Not really. Christians still going around calling all people who don't believe in jesus and annoying the fuck out of us? Yes.
3. I would rather have my Goddess have mercy on my soul, thank you.

Okay.....
1. can we please come back to todays times, as for the door to door would be put in the same class as door to door salesman. Put up a "No solitation" sign or after you open the door tell them to get the hell out of here. I still don't see the force.

2. That's hard to believe that all Christians are going around and doing what you declare they are doing.

3. May your Goddess have mercy on your soul, then.

Okay.....
1. can we please come back to todays times, as for the door to door would be put in the same class as door to door salesman. Put up a "No solitation" sign or after you open the door tell them to get the hell out of here. I still don't see the force.

So? We have "no call" lists and that doesn't stop telemarketers. What makes you think a sign going to stop someone from preaching that you're going to hell for not believing something that is in the Bible?

They are trained not to give up, and they won't.

2. That's hard to believe that all Christians are going around and doing what you declare they are doing.

The vocal bunch speak louder than the moderates, so, how do we know that ALL Christians aren't doing the same thing?

Thank you, Kryozerkia. And, on the subject of modern times, Paganism being called "Devil Worship" is still modern. And everyone still feels the need to pring out doormats saying "God Bless" and tons of crosses. People of different religions don't do this. And there are so many "Christian" things being marketed off, and you don't see almost any things for other religions. Seems like discrimination and an insult to me.
Oh. and where did I ever say All? Way to twist words.

So? We have "no call" lists and that doesn't stop telemarketers. What makes you think a sign going to stop someone from preaching that you're going to hell for not believing something that is in the Bible?

They are trained not to give up, and they won't.



The vocal bunch speak louder than the moderates, so, how do we know that ALL Christians aren't doing the same thing?


I still don't see the force used so I'll furnish you with the definition....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force
I never did declare the sign would work. Did you see my other choice of telling them to get the hell out of here or no.

That's your choice if want to believe that ALL Christians are like that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force


Oh dear. Perhaps you could check your links? I'm afraid you've got the wrong version of force. Try disambiguation of it.

Jesus... Who *REALLY* believes in him anymore? Find me more than 10 christians who have not said "OH MY GOD" and broken one of the ten commandments by doing so. Yep, technically, you break em by doing that.

It pisses me off how people also claim to be christian but generally ignore most things about it except going to church every sunday. Perhaps they should actually READ THEIR BIBLES instead of gossiping and using church as their social clubs?

I wouldn't have a problem with christianity in America if they stopped doing these things:
1. Forcing their religion on others.
2. Sticking their nose into the government.

And did:
3. Actually fucking doing what their religion told them.

Then I wouldn't have a problem. But they seem to have shit instead of brains, so they just keep on ticking off the average person.

wow. interesting.

did you read the Bible or did you just pick out the parts you think are important?

May God have mercy on your soul.And yours :D

wow. interesting.

did you read the Bible or did you just pick out the parts you think are important?

Yes, in fact, I did read the bible a few times. I found quite a few contradictions in there, but, nontheless, people seem to "Just pick out the important parts" like you said.

Yes, in fact, I did. I found quite a few contradictions in there, but, nontheless, people seem to "Just pick out the important parts" like you said.

In fact, don't Christians seem to do it all the time?

Oh dear. Perhaps you could check your links? I'm afraid you've got the wrong version of force. Try disambiguation of it.

Regardless, I don't believe that you were forced into anything. By the way you are talking I don't believe you have been forced into the belief of Christianity.

Yes, in fact, I did read the bible a few times. I found quite a few contradictions in there, but, nontheless, people seem to "Just pick out the important parts" like you said.

It isn't anything new about the Bible being filled with many contradictions. Afterall, it was written by mankind.

Many christians in America simply want to make certain that violence for entertainment, godlessness, immoral sex and un-christian ethics won't ruin America.

Because we all know things like the War in Iraq, fascism, and strengthened government certainly aren't.

Regardless, I don't believe that you were forced into anything. By the way you are talking I don't believe you have been forced into the belief of Christianity.

Oh, dear. I don't think you understand. Several people have attempted to pressure me into joining christianity, telling me how "God is Great" and how "Non-believers go to hell". VERY forgiving to send people who just don't believe in god to eternal damnation, huh?

Thank you, Kryozerkia. And, on the subject of modern times, Paganism being called "Devil Worship" is still modern. And everyone still feels the need to pring out doormats saying "God Bless" and tons of crosses. People of different religions don't do this. And there are so many "Christian" things being marketed off, and you don't see almost any things for other religions. Seems like discrimination and an insult to me.
Oh. and where did I ever say All? Way to twist words.

You want to make and sell shit for other religions? Go ahead and do it. You can't force a manufacturer to produce a particular item, nor can you force a store to sell it.

Oh, dear. I don't think you understand. Several people have attempted to pressure me into joining christianity, telling me how "God is Great" and how "Non-believers go to hell". VERY forgiving to send people who just don't believe in god to eternal damnation, huh?

how is someone stating their beliefs "pressure"? it's the same as if I were to say that watching a cartoon smoke was "pressuring" my kids to do it.

Many christians in America simply want to make certain that violence for entertainment, godlessness, immoral sex and un-christian ethics won't ruin America.

Because we all know things like the War in Iraq, fascism, and strengthened government certainly aren't.

Iraqi people don't have immoral sex. They simply do it their own way. See, once again, forcing opinions. Un-christian ethics are perfectly fine, thank you. Godlessness? What about the multiple gods out there? And violence for entertainment?
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*points and laughs* Hunting. Slaughters. People have taken violence as a good thing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And if these things ruin America? So, why haven't we all been "Killed in Rightous Fire"? Just like Islams, huh?

how is someone stating their beliefs "pressure"? it's the same as if I were to say that watching a cartoon smoke was "pressuring" my kids to do it.

Not just stating it. At the time, they were trying to GET ME TO JOIN A CHURCH, WHEN I SAID I DID NOT WANT TO.

Not just stating it. At the time, they were trying to GET ME TO JOIN A CHURCH, WHEN I SAID I DID NOT WANT TO.

I've been down that road. Someone told me that they were praying for me to see the light and bring me into the fold, even if I went to the Catholic church... I told them not to pray for me... it didn't work.

Not just stating it. At the time, they were trying to GET ME TO JOIN A CHURCH, WHEN I SAID I DID NOT WANT TO.

so, because they asked you to do something that you didn't want to do they were trying to force you to do something?

if my husband asks me if I want a soda and I say no, is he trying to force me to have a soda? what if he says "are you sure?" should I then call the police?

Iraqi people don't have immoral sex. They simply do it their own way. See, once again, forcing opinions. Un-christian ethics are perfectly fine, thank you. Godlessness? What about the multiple gods out there? And violence for entertainment?
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*points and laughs* Hunting. Slaughters. People have taken violence as a good thing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And if these things ruin America? So, why haven't we all been "Killed in Rightous Fire"? Just like Islams, huh?

What the hell are you talking about?

so, because they asked you to do something that you didn't want to do they were trying to force you to do something?

if my husband asks me if I want a soda and I say no, is he trying to force me to have a soda? what if he says "are you sure?" should I then call the police?

No. More like, your husband TELLS YOU you NEED to have a soda. You decline. He starts raving about how you MUST HAVE THIS SODA, OR YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH IN FLAMES.
And when you say no, he keeps pestering you.

how is someone stating their beliefs "pressure"? it's the same as if I were to say that watching a cartoon smoke was "pressuring" my kids to do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_pressure

No. More like, your husband TELLS YOU you NEED to have a soda. You decline. He starts raving about how you MUST HAVE THIS SODA, OR YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH IN FLAMES.
And when you say no, he keeps pestering you.

hmm....you have some raving lunatics around your parts huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_pressure

I don't believe in peer pressure. ;)

I think it's a poor excuse made up by parents to excuse their children who are unable to think for themselves from having to be responsible for their own actions.

so, because they asked you to do something that you didn't want to do they were trying to force you to do something?

if my husband asks me if I want a soda and I say no, is he trying to force me to have a soda? what if he says "are you sure?" should I then call the police?

hehe. good point.

hmm....you have some raving lunatics around your parts huh?

Who doesn't? We need lunatics to counterbalance this rabid rational sanity.

What the hell are you talking about?

That, was exaggeration. America's done so much of all that god would probably have done that if christians were right.

Well, my mom nags me to go to the church that she goes to. I don't consider her to be forcing me into anything considering the fact, I have chosen not to go. She goes to a big church with big screen tv's all over the place and it acts like a big party house. I think too much money is involved in the church.

"The love of money is the root of all evil."

My mom nags, I make a choice NOT to go to her church, No force.

People make their own choices. If you aren't physically threatened or harmed I don't understand how you claim to be forced into something.

I don't believe in peer pressure. ;)

I think it's a poor excuse made up by parents to excuse their children who are unable to think for themselves from having to be responsible for their own actions.

Ah. Attempting to "Disbelieve" in what psychologists WHO HAVE CONDUCTED TESTS, have found. It exists, and is a proven fact.

Well, my mom nags me to go to the church that she goes to. I don't consider her to be forcing me into anything considering the fact, I have chosen not to go. She goes to a big church with big screen tv's all over the place and it acts like a big party house. I think too much money is involved in the church.

"The love of money is the root of all evil."

My mom nags, I make a choice NOT to go to her church, No force.

People make their own choices. If you aren't physically threatened or harmed I don't understand how you claim to be forced into something.

Force is a term used for physical and PSYCHOLOGICAL. And, I am not saying ALL christians do it, only the general amount of them.

Ah. Attempting to "Disbelieve" in what psychologists WHO HAVE CONDUCTED TESTS, have found. It exists, and is a proven fact.

link? source?

hmm....you have some raving lunatics around your parts huh?

Nope. I've heard other people have had christian infestations like this. It's quite a common problem.

link? source?

"Source"? Oh, good one. Look in almost any PSYCHOLOGY BOOK, m'dear. Right in there.

"Source"? Oh, good one. Look in almost any PSYCHOLOGY BOOK, m'dear. Right in there.

hmm... when I went to school for psychology I don't remember it being a "proven fact" in my books...I had about 12 of them, really big, uber expensive.

I do remember discussion of poor socialization being at the root of many people's failure to think for themselves.

As such, I can't take your assertion on face value and really need a source or a study to look at before I change my opinion.

Nope. I've heard other people have had christian infestations like this. It's quite a common problem.
Yeah, religious harassment is so smegging annoying. :gundge:

Oh. And just because your kids/your friends kids/relatives kids do not SUBMIT to peer pressure does not mean it doesn't exist. Look at social theories too, and in your health text book.

Oh. And just because your kids/your friends kids/relatives kids do not SUBMIT to peer pressure does not mean it doesn't exist. Look at social theories too, and in your health text book.

Your the one who made the claim, you should back it up, not her.

Your the one who made the claim, you should back it up, not her.

You're*. It's been a long time, and you expect me to remember the name of every book I've read? I also speak from EXPERIENCE, which obviously, she hasn't encountered. Peer pressure to get a boyfriend. Peer pressure to do whats "Popular". If she hasn't actually experienced it, then she can deny it's existence in her own little world.. Perhaps if you pray enough it might come true? Prayer is simply focused thoughts, so it should still work, even by my own standards of religion.

Oh, and by the way, can you direct me to the source where it shows that god exists and the he says it is wrong for gay marriage to happen, and for violence to be shown on TV, even though in the age the bible was written, underpopulation was a problem when now overpopulation is?

You're*. It's been a long time, and you expect me to remember the name of every book I've read? I also speak from EXPERIENCE, which obviously, she hasn't encountered. Peer pressure to get a boyfriend. Peer pressure to do whats "Popular". If she hasn't actually experienced it, then she can deny it's existence in her own little world.. Perhaps if you pray enough it might come true? Prayer is simply focused thoughts, so it should still work, even by my own standards of religion.

I have experienced a great many things, I have been around long enough to know that only idiots take someone's claim of "it's a proven fact" without a source to be true.

source?

Oh, and by the way, can you direct me to the source where it shows that god exists and the he says it is wrong for gay marriage to happen, and for violence to be shown on TV, even though in the age the bible was written, underpopulation was a problem when now overpopulation is?

I can't, I never claimed any of those to be proven facts.

I believe that God exists, I can't prove it.

I have experienced a great many things, I have been around long enough to know that only idiots take someone's claim of "it's a proven fact" without a source to be true.

source?

Life. And, as I said. If you haven't experienced it, you can disbelieve aaaalll you want. But ask almost any person and they will tell you it does exist. =)


I can't, I never claimed any of those to be proven facts.

I believe that God exists, I can't prove it.

So tell me, do you, as a christian, believe that BECAUSE OF THAT BELIEF, gays should not allowed to be married in their own pursuit of happiness, and that violence should not be shown on TV, and other people who DO NOT SHARE THAT BELIEF, suffer because of it and go to hell?

Life. And, as I said. If you haven't experienced it, you can disbelieve aaaalll you want. But ask almost any person and they will tell you it does exist. =)
until you have lived my life you don't know what I have experienced. Saying that "I must not have experienced it" in reply to my asking for a source for your claim is a fallacy and is in poor form.



So tell me, do you, as a christian, believe that BECAUSE OF THAT BELIEF, gays should not allowed to be married in their own pursuit of happiness, and that violence should not be shown on TV, and other people who DO NOT SHARE THAT BELIEF, suffer because of it and go to hell?
I believe that homosexuals should have all legal rights available to citizens.
I believe that television should be a private industry and free to operate however the owners of the networks see fit.
I believe that there are real consequences for all actions.

until you have lived my life you don't know what I have experienced. Saying that "I must not have experienced it" in reply to my asking for a source for your claim is a fallacy and is in poor form.




I believe that homosexuals should have all legal rights available to citizens.
I believe that television should be a private industry and free to operate however the owners of the networks see fit.
I believe that there are real consequences for all actions.

*If* is the key word. Once again, you add in this Must to contradict me.

And if you believe that, why do you have a problem here? That is the *WHOLE POINT* of the board, and otherwise is off topic.

What I consider the "nice Christians" are those who quietly live their faith. They may believe I'm going to hell, but keep it to themselves. They don't try to make laws that force me to live by their rules. There are plenty of Christians who are like this. I don't mind them professing their faith. I just really hate them trying to make laws that force me to live by their faith.

*If* is the key word. Once again, you add in this Must to contradict me.
it's a logical fallacy that you are trying to employ.

And if you believe that, why do you have a problem here? That is the *WHOLE POINT* of the board, and otherwise is off topic.
my problem is you painting all Christians with the same brush, but more than that my specific problem is you going around claiming things to be facts when you can not back up those claims.

What I consider the "nice Christians" are those who quietly live their faith. They may believe I'm going to hell, but keep it to themselves. They don't try to make laws that force me to live by their rules. There are plenty of Christians who are like this. I don't mind them professing their faith. I just really hate them trying to make laws that force me to live by their faith.

I agree. ;)

What I consider the "nice Christians" are those who quietly live their faith. They may believe I'm going to hell, but keep it to themselves. They don't try to make laws that force me to live by their rules. There are plenty of Christians who are like this. I don't mind them professing their faith. I just really hate them trying to make laws that force me to live by their faith.
Bingo. You state the point perfectly.


Oh, and by the way, smunkeeville. If you READ FROM BEFORE, I don't mind it if they keep out of politics, and let people believe what they believe. I have a problem with the christians that SUPPORT ACTIVELY WHAT WAS ON THE OP AND SUCH. Please, READ before you post.

I believe that homosexuals should have all legal rights available to citizens.

Marriage is not a right. It is a social insititution. It is not a nessecary right of all people to have access to a social institution

Marriage is not a right. It is a social insititution. It is not a nessecary right of all people to have access to a social institution

Free Pursuit of Happiness ring a bell? Marriage for Gays makes people attracted to the same gender very happy, thank you!

I'm still confused about the connection between censoring smoking in anime for kids and chrisianity, honestly that seems a bit more of a step taken by people wanting to disuade the same peer pressure situations the op keeps bringing up, only in terms of smoking instead of religion.

Oh, and by the way, smunkeeville. If you READ FROM BEFORE, I don't mind it if they keep out of politics, and let people believe what they believe. I have a problem with the christians that SUPPORT ACTIVELY WHAT WAS ON THE OP AND SUCH. Please, READ before you post.
actually I did read.
You're*. It's been a long time, and you expect me to remember the name of every book I've read? I also speak from EXPERIENCE, which obviously, she hasn't encountered. Peer pressure to get a boyfriend. Peer pressure to do whats "Popular". If she hasn't actually experienced it, then she can deny it's existence in her own little world.. Perhaps if you pray enough it might come true? Prayer is simply focused thoughts, so it should still work, even by my own standards of religion.

I read here when you tried to wiggle out of having to provide a source based on "we should just believe you".

Nope. I've heard other people have had christian infestations like this. It's quite a common problem.
here when you refer to Christians like they are pests.
Ah. Attempting to "Disbelieve" in what psychologists WHO HAVE CONDUCTED TESTS, have found. It exists, and is a proven fact.
here when you claim that something is a proven fact, and yet refuse to back up that statement.
Why would gender matter? We have overpopulation as it is, and technically, shouldn't we have rights to who we marry? Go look at the opposition. It's 95% christians with bibles who are homophobes.
here when you claim a statistic that 95% of Christians are homophobes....or is that only the 95% of us that own Bibles are homophobes?

source?

Jesus... Who *REALLY* believes in him anymore? Find me more than 10 christians who have not said "OH MY GOD" and broken one of the ten commandments by doing so. Yep, technically, you break em by doing that.

It pisses me off how people also claim to be christian but generally ignore most things about it except going to church every sunday. Perhaps they should actually READ THEIR BIBLES instead of gossiping and using church as their social clubs?

I wouldn't have a problem with christianity in America if they stopped doing these things:
1. Forcing their religion on others.
2. Sticking their nose into the government.

And did:
3. Actually fucking doing what their religion told them.

Then I wouldn't have a problem. But they seem to have shit instead of brains, so they just keep on ticking off the average person.
here when you make vague claims about how Christians are sinners, which btw is the entire point of Christianity which prompted my question of "did you actually read the Bible?" which was not sufficiently answered.
1. Ever heard of the Inquistion from times, dearie? And door-to-door christians, and changing the pagan beliefs into "Satan-worshipping"?
2. Freedom? Sure. Representation? Not really. Christians still going around calling all people who don't believe in jesus and annoying the fuck out of us? Yes.
3. I would rather have my Goddess have mercy on my soul, thank you.
here where you make generalizations based on God knows what to try to further bash and entire group of people.

Marriage is not a right. It is a social insititution. It is not a nessecary right of all people to have access to a social institution

marriage is a legal right, regulated by the government.

Marriage is not a right. It is a social insititution. It is not a nessecary right of all people to have access to a social institution

The social institution of marriage confers certain rights on the spouses that are not otherwise available. Inheritance rights, custody rights for surviving children, hospital visitation rights, access to information, sharing medical and dental insurance, and a host of other rights that are currently being denied to people based on sexual orientation.

actually I did read.


I read here when you tried to wiggle out of having to provide a source based on "we should just believe you".


On an off topic matter.


here when you refer to Christians like they are pests.


Door to door christians ARE pests. So are telemarketers.


here when you claim that something is a proven fact, and yet refuse to back up that statement.


Off topic.


here when you claim a statistic that 95% of Christians are homophobes....or is that only the 95% of us that own Bibles are homophobes?


READ. *taps about where it says MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI-GAY MARRIAGE ARE, and where it does not say MOST CHRISTIANS ARE*


here when you make vague claims about how Christians are sinners, which btw is the entire point of Christianity which prompted my question of "did you actually read the Bible?" which was not sufficiently answered.


Not all christians. I said PEOPLE WHO. Once again, you have failed to read the print.


here where you make generalizations based on God knows what to try to further bash and entire group of people.

I do not generalize. I simply made points on what some do, and what they DID IN THE PAST.

On an off topic matter.[\quote]
that's not a valid excuse, you brought the matter up, you made it a topic, you made a claim that you can't back up, none of this is my fault.


[quote]Door to door christians ARE pests. So are telemarketers.
you said "christian infestation" you didn't specify what you meant by that because you didn't have to, we all can assume that you see Christains in general as pests because you make up things about us and decide it's true.



Off topic.
in reply to your own post, again you brought it up, not my fault.



READ. *taps about where it says MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI-GAY MARRIAGE ARE, and where it does not say MOST CHRISTIANS ARE*

I read, 95% of Christians with Bibles are homophobes....oh, wait, that's what you said.


Not all christians. I said PEOPLE WHO. Once again, you have failed to read the print.
your general tone is that Christians are pests, and homophobes, how was I to notice you toning it back when you have been YELLING ABOUT IT FOR MOST OF THE THREAD?



I do not generalize. I simply made points on what some do, and what they DID IN THE PAST.
you do generalize, you make claims you can't back up, and you CAPTIALIZE to try to prove a point when you are lacking in debate skills.

Why would gender matter? We have overpopulation as it is, and technically, shouldn't we have rights to who we marry? Go look at the opposition. It's 95% christians with bibles who are homophobes.

Look at the highlighted area.

And you said:
you said "christian infestation" you didn't specify what you meant by that because you didn't have to, we all can assume that you see Christains in general as pests because you make up things about us and decide it's true.

Dearie, perhaps you should look at the post I was responding to, and look at what it relates to.

Look at the highlighted area.

"It's 95% Christians with Bibles who are homophobes."

yes, I read that, a few times.

where is the source for your statistic?

Dearie, perhaps you should look at the post I was responding to, and look at what it relates to.

you can refrain from trying to talk down to me, it's not going to work, or you know you can continue, whatever makes you feel good about yourself right?


whatever it refers to your comments are problematic, you speak before you think, when you are asked to back it up you refuse.

~snip~ You're getting slaughtered. Give it up.

Hey Smunkee, I've never seen you smack someone down on NS before. Cool.

True, religion based laws do suck.

I recomend a bare basic system of laws based on a simple question.

Does it hurt someone?

If no, then it's legal. If yes, then make it illegal.

No, this does not apply to what one does with themselves.



This way we can be done with all the bullshit laws put in place over the years for whatever religious, political, or bleeding heart reason it was put in place.

Hey Smunkee, I've never seen you smack someone down on NS before. Cool.

it's been about 8 months since I cared enough to.....I only with UpwardThrust were around to see it....he used to enjoy it so....

Alright then. I'll back down if you wish.

Hope it makes you happy to know you managed to out talk a 14 year old girl! =)

Alright then. I'll back down if you wish.

Hope it makes you happy to know you managed to out talk a 14 year old girl! =)

It would make me happy if you are a better debater next time. :)

I am at heart a teacher.

Marriage is not a right. It is a social insititution. It is not a nessecary right of all people to have access to a social institution

If marriage were just a social institution, then the government wouldn't have a whole body of law surrounding it. It would simply be a part of whatever portions of society conformed to it, like Bahmitzvahs, Quiencieras, Baptisms, Debutantes, and other such customs.

However, that is not what marriage is. From the government's point of view, marriage is a legal institution - a legal contract of sorts - with a myriad of protections, rights, and responsibilities that go with it. And, strangely enough, the government isn't constitutionally allowed to provide such protections to some and not others unless it has a damn good reason to do so.

Another interesting point is that, at least in the US, the courts have long held that marriage is a right - a fundamental one, actually.


Why would gender matter? We have overpopulation as it is, and technically, shouldn't we have rights to who we marry? Go look at the opposition. It's 95% christians with bibles who are homophobes.

Smunk, while you are absolutely right to argue against the sweeping generalizations and such found in the other posts, this really isn't one of them. The way I read this isn't "95% of Christians are homophobes." Instead, it is "95% of the people opposed to gay marriage are 'chrisitans with bibles who are homophobes.'" In other words, most of the people opposed to government recognition of same-sex marriage also call themselves Christian.

Now, I don't know how accurate a statistic that is - and I doubt it was meant to be truly accurate. But a great deal of the anti-homosexual politicians and voters in this country *do* claim to be Christian.

Alright then. I'll back down if you wish.

Hope it makes you happy to know you managed to out talk a 14 year old girl! =)

In internet speak, that means you're an over 40, overweight balding guy who lives w/ his mother or a cop. :)

There are no young and/or attractive women on the internet. :D

One could argue that all legislation supported by atheist doctrine sucks as well, if you come from a Christian point of view (i.e. abortion, making it permissible for people to kill themselves). Let us not forget, however, the good points of atheist doctrine, like allowing others to make decisions for themselves, as well as the fact that some atheists are pro-life, anti-euthanasia, etc. Similarly, let us not forget that these hot button social issues are not supported or opposed by all American Christians, nor are laws banning gay marriage even close to being the main contribution that Christianity has made to our society.

Jesus... Who *REALLY* believes in him anymore?

*Raises hand*

Find me more than 10 christians who have not said "OH MY GOD" and broken one of the ten commandments by doing so. Yep, technically, you break em by doing that.

Find me any human being old enough to understand their own actions who has never broken at least one of the 10 commandments. Easier yet, just show me one who has never broken the Golden Rule that the commandments can be summed up into.

I wouldn't have a problem with christianity in America if they stopped doing these things:
1. Forcing their religion on others.

KK, don't do that anyway.

2. Sticking their nose into the government.

I have just as much right to participate in government as everyone else.

And did:
3. Actually fucking doing what their religion told them.

I try. Of course, I'm not going to worry about what you personally think my religion tells me, because you're not my religion.

Then I wouldn't have a problem. But they seem to have shit instead of brains, so they just keep on ticking off the average person.

LOL. In the Western world, "Christian" is the average person.

One could argue that all legislation supported by atheist doctrine sucks as well, if you come from a Christian point of view (i.e. abortion, making it permissible for people to kill themselves).

What is "atheist doctrine" and what laws are based in it? Neither legal abortion nor legal euthenasia have anything at all to do with atheism.

My 1/50 of a dollar;

1. Being exposed to other people beliefs isn't pressure, it's life. Everybody has opinions, everybody is going to voice them, and everybody's opinions are stupid. If a JW shows up at your door, put up a No solicitation sign. They won't go away? Call then cops, or better yet, show up at their house describing the wonders of Satanism. Just becuase they're talking about it, doesn't mean you're a victim.

2. Most Christians I know are decent people, who really couldn't care if gays get married, or cartoons smoke. Enough with the blanket generalizations.

3. If something offends you, thats YOUR problem. Don't like what someone else is saying/doing? If it's not depriving you of life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness, then get over it.

To answer the original posts questions;
1. Gay marriage isn't allowed becuase nobody can mind their own business. How is allowing people to get married, going to destory marriage?

2. While the government has recently been trying censor more material, the vast majority of that is done by the media corporations. They're out to make money, and they don't want to piss off the target audience(or the parents of such.) Not the governments fault.

One could argue that all legislation supported by atheist doctrine sucks as well, if you come from a Christian point of view (i.e. abortion, making it permissible for people to kill themselves). Let us not forget, however, the good points of atheist doctrine, like allowing others to make decisions for themselves, as well as the fact that some atheists are pro-life, anti-euthanasia, etc. Similarly, let us not forget that these hot button social issues are not supported or opposed by all American Christians, nor are laws banning gay marriage even close to being the main contribution that Christianity has made to our society.


The only atheist doctrine I'm aware of is that there are no gods.

There are no young and/or attractive women on the internet. :D
There are.. except that they are already taken. :D

Life. And, as I said. If you haven't experienced it, you can disbelieve aaaalll you want. But ask almost any person and they will tell you it does exist. =)
Prove it or can it.

I think you've already admitted that you can't though. Good work Smunkee. :)

In every country with gay marriage gays act all gay and use drugs and decent people lose touch with Jesus and live in sin.
[QUOTE]

I don't use drugs and I am not gay. But I defend freedom. I defend their freedom to be happy. Being gay or not, but to be happy.

[QUOTE]
Sex is for procreation, not recreation.


Says who? I enjoy sex, every animal enjoy sex, you should enjoy sex. If you do not enjoy sex, you are weird and you should go to the doctor.

That's why great men like senator Rick Santorum oppose contraception.

I don't know him, but if he oppose contraception he doesn't know what is to be female, of course.

In Spain you guys sit around drinking sangria and popping ecstacy while decent folks fight against the evil Iraqi people.

People who fight in Irak and defend Bush are not decent people :sniper: They are just killers.

Gay marriage has destroyed your will to stand up and fight for the right of the democratically elected Iraqi government to become a morally upright Islamic republic like Iran

My will? I was the first to go to the street to shout I didn't want that war. I had the will and shout loud make love and not war. That is not the way.

Eh... don't ask about Irak... everybody knows by now that the war in Irak where a bad decission. Even your president, your beloved Bush, has said that it was an error. But he only said it once, and I guess he won't repeat it until the elections passed away.

where gays are hanged and pre marital sex can get you executed.

So, you don't defend their right to be married but you say killing them because they are gays is bad? That makes no sense.

I heard that in the USA, people were blind, but until I arrived at this forum, I always have hope it was only a rummor.

Iraqi people don't have immoral sex. They simply do it their own way. See, once again, forcing opinions. Un-christian ethics are perfectly fine, thank you. Godlessness? What about the multiple gods out there? And violence for entertainment?
....
*points and laughs* Hunting. Slaughters. People have taken violence as a good thing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And if these things ruin America? So, why haven't we all been "Killed in Rightous Fire"? Just like Islams, huh?

I do hope you realized my post was a joke.

The only atheist doctrine I'm aware of is that there are no gods.

Wrong. I started the world's first atheist church. Come worship no gods. My way.

Wrong. I started the world's first atheist church. Come worship no gods. My way.

That must be interesting.


Anyhow, I don't know the statistics for the amount of irritating and religion forcing Christians, but I am not one of them.