NationStates Jolt Archive

So I'm here listening to Chicago/We Can Change The World by Crosby, Stills and Nash and my mind wanders to a girl in my class. An American, totally cool I suppose, someone who I wouldn't consider patriotic at all. But last year when I was (more) of an asshat I said something like "Fuck America" to her and she got mad as mad can be.

I just wonder, how can you be so loving of a country like that?

I suppose one's gotta be brought up with it. If your parents teach you that "your country" is something special to be loved and revered, then you'll naturally tend to think of it that way.

Or you rebel horribly, I suppose.

Because even when your country has its faults and things you disagree with its still your country. I love my country, I may think the govenment is a group of assholes who couldn't find one with a map, but the country is still mine, I was dragged up in it and noone can take that away.

Because even when your country has its faults and things you disagree with its still your country. I love my country, I may think the govenment is a group of assholes who couldn't find one with a map, but the country is still mine, I was dragged up in it and noone can take that away.

But, its the UK!

:p


Actually, me not being from the UK still feel like its my own, despite my closest relation from there being my Grandma, that I never met.

So I'm here listening to Chicago/We Can Change The World by Crosby, Stills and Nash and my mind wanders to a girl in my class. An American, totally cool I suppose, someone who I wouldn't consider patriotic at all. But last year when I was (more) of an asshat I said something like "Fuck America" to her and she got mad as mad can be.

I just wonder, how can you be so loving of a country like that?
are you serious?

i mean... how old are you?

My sense of patriotism has been going steadily downhill ever since Government class my freshman year of high school.

That's OK though...so has the country. :p

Hm, I think the media in the USA has a very narrow view on the things. They tend to see all from their perspective. And many Americans think not to be patriotic is almost treason. So they are educated to love their country without asking any questions.

Sometimes I think their patrioism is almost religous. The flag is a holy symbol for many Americans.

In Europe in general and especially in Germany, patriotism is much weaker. Most people who call themselves patriots in Germany are plain Nazis.
And I can't love a country. I love the ethic values and the people, but not something abstract like a country. And I can't be proud to be a German. (But I can't be ashamed, either.) I'm German, because my father was accedenntially German. It is like to be proud of having blond hair.

There is no clear border between patrioism and nationalism. And nationalism is something really bad. So I avoid to be a patriot.

Well, if someone would start burning German flags - I would start selling them. ;)

-snippity snip-
Well, if someone would start burning German flags - I would start selling them. ;)

That is why Capitalism ist gut. ;)

are you serious?

i mean... how old are you?

About as old as I sounded then. :p

But over a year has passed and I am, politically and mentally more mature.

LIKE YOUR MUM!

Sorry, I could not resist.

I don't own a country. And how people can be proud about other people's achievements has always been a source of great confusion for me.
Especially since those people tend not to be ashamed of other people's failures in the same way that they pronounce their pride.

Meh, fuck all countries. I don't understand patriotism whatsoever.

People's identities spring from two sources; internal and external forces. Internal forces are easy to understand, as a concept, but external forces are complex. They can come from many places, but one of the most important ones in the modern world is from your national identity.

When you said "fuck America", you were directly attacking something from which she derives her personal identity. People don't like that.

My country is my Home. I love my Homeland. I see nothing wrong with loving your homeland. I see nothing wrong with being a Patriot.

In Soviet Russia, Homeland loves you!

I don't see anything wrong with loving your country and all, as long as people don't start bombing to defend their countries honour! I think you should respect people before pieces of land!