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So this week the long awaited Borat Movie comes out. So how many of you are going to see it. Do you think it'll be a great show or do you think its overhyped and just stupid?

Me I'm going to go see it because I find Borat hilarious. Comments......

I can't wait :D

I'll wait for it to come out on DVD. It's more the kind of thing I like to watch while pounding beers. :D

Yep, I watch his shows regularly and I actually find them very clever. Is Borat broadcasted in America?

"If it not success, I will be execute."

Well I wouldn't want him to be 'execute', so of course I'll see it.:p

No, I don't plan to see it. I've sat through Da Ali G Show a few times, and I just don't think Sascha Baron Cohen is my kind of funny.

It's funny and all till you think for a second or two.

I have to wonder how a film made by an Arab depicting Jews as being stupid, rascist, rapists who throw Arabs down wells and the rest would be recieved - even with the humor.

Parts of his character and act remind me of the anti-semitic cartoons produced by Nazi Germany, but directed at Arabs.

I just find it all kinda off.

Kinda like a white person doing a comedy routine about black people.

I have to wonder how a film made by an Arab depicting Jews as being stupid, rascist, rapists who throw Arabs down wells and the rest would be recieved - even with the humor.

Err you know that dude who plays Borat? Sasha Cohen?

He's jewish. It's funny. Laugh.

Err you know that dude who plays Borat? Sasha Cohen?

He's jewish. It's funny. Laugh.

I know.

You have a Jewish man playing an Arab, depicting Arabs in a very very negative light.

If you had an Arab playing a Jew depicting them as violent, rascist, rapists along with stereotypes about jews and money, media and political influence - all shown in a mocking and derogratry way I don't think many people would be 'hahahah'.

I know.

You have a Jewish man playing an Arab, depicting Arabs in a very very negative light.

If you had an Arab playing a Jew depicting them as violent, rascist, rapists along with stereotypes about jews and money, media and political influence - all shown in a mocking and derogratry way I don't think many people would be 'hahahah'.

Actually, it tends to depict the Americans in a much worse light. Because when he gets all the rednecks to sing "throw the jews down the well" together, they actually mean what they sing.

I can't remember what it is, but I love the subtitle of that movie.

I can't remember what it is, but I love the subtitle of that movie.

To make film for most glorious nation of Kazakstan or something like that I believe.

I know.

You have a Jewish man playing an Arab, depicting Arabs in a very very negative light.

If you had an Arab playing a Jew depicting them as violent, rascist, rapists along with stereotypes about jews and money, media and political influence - all shown in a mocking and derogratry way I don't think many people would be 'hahahah'.

He's been doing this for years. You are way too late to be critical.

I'm definitely going to see it. I didn't like Ali G at all, but this character seems a lot funnier.

I can't remember what it is, but I love the subtitle of that movie.

Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan

He's been doing this for years. You are way too late to be critical.

Oh no... I've been critical for a while.

It just strikes me as very off.

Oh no... I've been critical for a while.

It just strikes me as very off.

Chalk it up to hypersensitivity. You need to work on that.

Chalk it up to hypersensitivity. You need to work on that.

So an arab production depicting jews as rascist rapists along with all the usual negative stereotypes about jewish people (media controling money lenders etc etc) would be a-ok with you?

It's funny and all till you think for a second or two.

I have to wonder how a film made by an Arab depicting Jews as being stupid, rascist, rapists who throw Arabs down wells and the rest would be recieved - even with the humor.

Parts of his character and act remind me of the anti-semitic cartoons produced by Nazi Germany, but directed at Arabs.

I just find it all kinda off.

Kinda like a white person doing a comedy routine about black people.
You do know what Sacha Baron Cohen wrote his Cambridge History thesis, don't you?
The Jewish involvement in the American Civil Rights movement, focusing especially on the 1964 murders of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi.
So to say he's being racist and stereotypical is showing a lot of ignorance about who Cohen is.
He's not the one being racist. He's just setting ppl up to uncover their racist leanings. To wit, his 'throw the Jew down the well' - how many in that bar stood up and demanded he stop singing? So who exactly is racist there?
The movie is, in Cohen's own words, a "dramatic demonstration of how racism feeds on dumb conformity as much as rabid bigotry".



still, I'll prob wait til it's out on DVD. He's funny, but I don't find him so funny as to splash out the outrageous prices movie tickets go for these days.

Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan

Yay! :)><:)

Glad I could help :)

So an arab production depicting jews as rascist rapists along with all the usual negative stereotypes about jewish people (media controling money lenders etc etc) would be a-ok with you?

That alone wouldn't be ok. But that is not what is being done. In many ways, he's showing how many of us are racist by not getting that he's joking. I think its extremely funny while making a good point. Would Americans or Jews find that Arab production funny? Maybe, if it had a good enough point and wasn't coming from hate.

Yep, I'll be going. Should be one of the funniest films of the year. :D

That alone wouldn't be ok. But that is not what is being done. In many ways, he's showing how many of us are racist by not getting that he's joking. I think its extremely funny while making a good point. Would Americans or Jews find that Arab production funny? Maybe, if it had a good enough point and wasn't coming from hate.

Yahtzee!

That alone wouldn't be ok. But that is not what is being done. In many ways, he's showing how many of us are racist by not getting that he's joking. I think its extremely funny while making a good point. Would Americans or Jews find that Arab production funny? Maybe, if it had a good enough point and wasn't coming from hate.

See... I've seen him do that a few times. But other times he's been portraying Borat and not getting that reaction. It might be i've just seen the ones where the humor is much more 'look at the idiot arab' rather than 'look at the rascist/dumb things his interviewee says'.

See... I've seen him do that a few times. But other times he's been portraying Borat and not getting that reaction. It might be i've just seen the ones where the humor is much more 'look at the idiot arab' rather than 'look at the rascist/dumb things his interviewee says'.

You completely fail at understanding satire.

Can Borat be funny off the cuff?

Borat star Sacha Baron Cohen stands accused of not playing "fair dinkum" with the Australian press corps.

Cohen is due to arrive in Australia next month to promote the new movie featuring his anti-Semitic Kazakhstani creation.

So far, he's taken to doing promotional duties in character, but according to the Sydney Morning Herald, media wishing to attend his press conference in Sydney on 13 November have been ordered to "submit a list of questions for approval" beforehand.

Some reckon it's a fairly rum deal that someone who's made a career out of the ambush interview is now demanding draconian measures not to get ambushed himself.

Quips one Aussie hack: "Maybe Borat isn't as funny off the cuff as he is on camera."


Not a big fan of him but i did find this amusing

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/pandora/article1940833.ece

See... I've seen him do that a few times. But other times he's been portraying Borat and not getting that reaction. It might be i've just seen the ones where the humor is much more 'look at the idiot arab' rather than 'look at the rascist/dumb things his interviewee says'.
Since when have the Kazakhs been Arabs?

Since when have the Kazakhs been Arabs?

Since Free Randomers decided they are, it seems. :rolleyes:

Since when have the Kazakhs been Arabs?

Pardon me for my less than encyplodic knowlege of the ethnic makeup of each country in the middle eastern region.

Thankyou for pointing out a gap in my general knowlege by stating they are not Arabs and thus completely destroying my point about the innappropriateness of people portraying ethnic groups other than their own in a negative way for comedy purposes.

Pardon me for my less than encyplodic knowlege of the ethnic makeup of each country in the middle eastern region.

Thankyou for pointing out a gap in my general knowlege by stating they are not Arabs and thus completely destroying my point about the innappropriateness of people portraying ethnic groups other than their own in a negative way for comedy purposes.
Sorry. :)

Oh, and Kazakhstan is hardly in the Middle East - http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/caucasus_cntrl_asia_pol_2003.jpg

Nah, he's not my cup o' tea. I wasn't a huge Ali G fan, and I think Borat is just noisy.

I'll probably check out the DVD - though I suspect I won't buy it ;)

Pardon me for my less than encyplodic knowlege of the ethnic makeup of each country in the middle eastern region.

Then don't go spouting off about shite you don't know anything about. Just to educate you a little, not all Muslims are Arabs. There's this really big country called Indonesia, y'know. It's the largest Muslim nation in the world. Not too many of them are Arabs.

Thankyou for pointing out a gap in my general knowlege by stating they are not Arabs and thus completely destroying my point about the innappropriateness of people portraying ethnic groups other than their own in a negative way for comedy purposes.

Awww...poor babies. Get over it.

Oh, and Kazakhstan is hardly in the Middle East

I just KNEW that was coming.

I had a feeling it was a bit further out but decided to stand up and take it rather than edit.

I can't wait :D
QFT.

Awww...poor babies. Get over it.

I was serious - I do prefer people point out gaps in my knowlege - it's one way how people learn. I thought it was closer to the ME and they were Arab. Now I know otherwise.

I still don't see how that changes the basic point.

Like a white person could stand up and do a sketch on black people - it would have a very different feel to if a black guy was up there doing it.

I was serious - I do prefer people point out gaps in my knowlege - it's one way how people learn. I thought it was closer to the ME and they were Arab. Now I know otherwise.

I still don't see how that changes the basic point.

Like a white person could stand up and do a sketch on black people - it would have a very different feel to if a black guy was up there doing it.

Yeah, cuz if you make fun of your own race or religion, it's funny. But if someone else does it, look out! :rolleyes:

It's the sort of film I'd probably hire on DVD, rather than go to the cinema.

Then don't go spouting off about shite you don't know anything about. Just to educate you a little, not all Muslims are Arabs. There's this really big country called Indonesia, y'know. It's the largest Muslim nation in the world. Not too many of them are Arabs.

Iranians arn't Arabic.

It's funny and all till you think for a second or two.

I have to wonder how a film made by an Arab depicting Jews as being stupid, rascist, rapists who throw Arabs down wells and the rest would be recieved - even with the humor.

Parts of his character and act remind me of the anti-semitic cartoons produced by Nazi Germany, but directed at Arabs.

I just find it all kinda off.

Kinda like a white person doing a comedy routine about black people.

Borat isn't supposed to be an Arab. Oh, and there are plenty of Arab tv shows and movies that portray Jews as evil and they're not even meant to be funny.

Iranians arn't Arabic.

Iran, too, yes.

I was serious - I do prefer people point out gaps in my knowlege - it's one way how people learn. I thought it was closer to the ME and they were Arab. Now I know otherwise.

I still don't see how that changes the basic point.

Like a white person could stand up and do a sketch on black people - it would have a very different feel to if a black guy was up there doing it.
See, while this is true in our society, I think it's stupid. Nobody should care who is saying something, as long as there's not any true malice behind it. I think if a black person can make a certain joke, then a white person should be able to make the same joke and people shouldn't hate him for it, because, fundamentally, the two people are no more different than any other two people. Sure, they look different, but since when are looks the prime factor in who you are as a person?
Also, plenty of minority comedians make fun of other minorities and of white people and there is usually compartively little outrage about it. For example, Carlos Mencia visited my campus about two months ago to do stand up, and there were no protests against it. Probably because most people that get into a good University are fairly educated, intelligent people who can recognize the difference between stereotype based humor and true racism. One is funny. You know, a joke. Haha. The other is hate. Kinda the opposite.
The problem with so many people in the world today is, though, that they can't take jokes if they are the butt of the joke. Which is silly. If you (you general, not any specific you) can't take a joke that's clearly in good faith, just for entertainment purposes, then you should just give up on interacting with other humans. Stupid is a terrible disease, and I think it may be contagious.
And because intent is so important, I think that this movie is great. There is no malicious intent, I think. Indeed, it seems the opposite is true: he's exposing racism and idiocy in America. And I can take the joke as an American. Because it's funny. Haha.

Yeah, cuz if you make fun of your own race or religion, it's funny. But if someone else does it, look out! :rolleyes:

Yeah! Making fun of other people is wrong, because those with low self esteem and no sense of humor might take it wrong and they might FEEL BAD! Oh the horror!


I so wish that his show was broadcast in America. It sounds really funny.

i'll go see it, and probably lmao :)

Will you rofl? :)

Borat isn't supposed to be an Arab.

I know I know. And he's not from the ME too.

I have been drawn over the coals on this one already.

*hand up* I buggered up what race he was and where he was from.

See, while this is true in our society, I think it's stupid. Nobody should care who is saying something, as long as there's not any true malice behind it. I think if a black person can make a certain joke, then a white person should be able to make the same joke and people shouldn't hate him for it, because, fundamentally, the two people are no more different than any other two people. Sure, they look different, but since when are looks the prime factor in who you are as a person?
Some day when there is no more rascism a white guy can get up on a stage and make jokes about black people killing each other and holding each other back. Until then leave that sort of stuff to Chris Rock.

If the looks should not be important then why did a Jew portray himself as a muslim? Why could he not have exposed the rascist attitudes of the people he was dealing with as a Jew rather than pretending to be a rascist muslim (what is the ethnicity of the Kryzecks?)?

Yeah, it's not important, but he knows that, by definition, they(the racists) would think it is.

(what is the ethnicity of the Kryzecks?)?

If you mean Kazakh, Kazakh is an ethnicity. A Central Asian ethnicity. In extremely general terms, they look more like East Asians than Middle Easterners, but not quite like East Asians all the same. Borat, of course, does not look Kazakh at all, and Cohen is presumably playing on the fact that few people know that.

Kazakhstan has several ethnic minorities, so you can be Kazakhstani without being Kazakh. Whatever Borat is supposed to be, we just know he's not an ethnic Uzbek. ;)

So this week the long awaited Borat Movie comes out. So how many of you are going to see it. Do you think it'll be a great show or do you think its overhyped and just stupid?

Me I'm going to go see it because I find Borat hilarious. Comments......

I'm deffinately going to see it, but I'm a little afraid about it. I hope that the commercials didn't show all the good parts, but the rest of the film blows....

Frankie Mitz Bruno the Austrian Model is teh funny.
Who heard what Borat called Mel Gibson?
Something about the oppressor of Jews(or summin)

My Birthday is soon, i'm sure i'll find the time.

So an arab production depicting jews as rascist rapists along with all the usual negative stereotypes about jewish people (media controling money lenders etc etc) would be a-ok with you?

Only if done well. :D

Will you rofl? :)

in the cinema? eeeew no.... don't want to get myself covered in sticky popcorn and half-eaten hotdogs ;)

Only if done well. :D

especially if done by Mel Brooks :D

If you mean Kazakh, Kazakh is an ethnicity. A Central Asian ethnicity. In extremely general terms, they look more like East Asians than Middle Easterners, but not quite like East Asians all the same. Borat, of course, does not look Kazakh at all, and Cohen is presumably playing on the fact that few people know that.

Kazakhstan has several ethnic minorities, so you can be Kazakhstani without being Kazakh. Whatever Borat is supposed to be, we just know he's not an ethnic Uzbek. ;)

Learning is Fun.

Kazakstan has nukes is nearly to the point of declaring war and firing off all those nukes over this film.
A stupid film by a stupid man that will probably incite nuclear war.

Just the sort of stupidity that stupid people will flock to see in the theatres.
:headbang:

in the cinema? eeeew no.... don't want to get myself covered in sticky popcorn and half-eaten hotdogs ;)
You have hotdogs?:)

*snip*
I so wish that his show was broadcast in America. It sounds really funny.

Isn't it on HBO ? I dropped HBO a while ago, so I'm not sure if it's still on there...

Oh no... I've been critical for a while.

It just strikes me as very off.

Kazakhstanis are Arabs now? I think they might disagree with you on that.

Perhaps you should investigate Kazakhstan a bit deeper (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/travel/story/0,,1933622,00.html)?

Oh, Borat has got it all wrong. Everyone I meet is in agreement on this. Kazakhstan's president, Nursultan Nazarbayev, is not a totalitarian dictator; he is only moderately repressive: banning and intimidating opposition parties, jailing the odd journalist, etc. The country's national drink is not horse piss; it is fermented horse milk that merely tastes of piss. And Jew-baiting is not, actually, a national sport. It's more of a hobby, as in the phrase 'You're as tight as a Jew' or the practice of making 'a Jewish phone call' (when you get the other party to call you back on your landline).
Dilyara, a fresh-faced student of economics in the city of Karaganda, who's showing us around the place and has lived in the States, is quite clear on this. 'There's an image of Jewish people being mean and crafty and good with money but I don't think many people have actually met them. We have Jews but they tend not to announce themselves.'

And then she takes us - Steve, my travelling companion, and me - into a cafe where we have a bit of cake.

'What's it called?' I ask.

'The cake? It is known as "****** in the foam".'

Kazakhstanis are Arabs now? I think they might disagree with you on that.


Did you read any of the posts that followed that one?

Where this has been pointed out several times, where I admitted my lack of knowlege, was happy to recieve the correction, admitted my lack of knowlege about the locationas I thought it was closer to the ME and then made a post:

"*hand up* I buggered up what race he was and where he was from."

Magbe you should follow your own advice about reading up...

planning to get drunk before and during the film.

Cthulhu-Mythos;11885808']Kazakstan has nukes is nearly to the point of declaring war and firing off all those nukes over this film.
A stupid film by a stupid man that will probably incite nuclear war.

Just the sort of stupidity that stupid people will flock to see in the theatres.
:headbang:

i think he is a genius. cried watching 'television program borat' last night.

Some day when there is no more rascism a white guy can get up on a stage and make jokes about black people killing each other and holding each other back. Until then leave that sort of stuff to Chris Rock.

In other words "when other people stop judging what folks can or cannot do on the basis of race, then I too will stop judging what folks can or cannot do on the basis of race", yes?

best way to get rid of racism, is to make alot of racist jokes. so when actuall racists stand up to speach, no one will take them seriously and just laugh at them.

best way to get rid of racism, is to make alot of racist jokes. so when actuall racists stand up to speach, no one will take them seriously and just laugh at them.
This might work, but in my experience if you tell racist jokes people get offended and think that you're an asshole.

This might work, but in my experience if you tell racist jokes people get offended and think that you're an asshole.

thats just silly people. maybe latter i'll make a "favourite racism joke" thread.

In other words "when other people stop judging what folks can or cannot do on the basis of race, then I too will stop judging what folks can or cannot do on the basis of race", yes?
Of course - one could also think that ANY person getting up on stage and making jokes about ANY group (even their own) is making a comment/judgement on what people do based on race.

So - should anyone get up and make such jokes?
(hmm... Gorias is already onto this one)
I still don't see why he could not have used his own heritage to expose his interviewers racist attitudes rather than having to use a parody of another race.

Of course - one could also think that ANY person getting up on stage and making jokes about ANY group (even their own) is making a comment/judgement on what people do based on race.

So - should anyone get up and make such jokes?
(hmm... Gorias is already onto this one)
I still don't see why he could not have used his own heritage to expose his interviewers racist attitudes rather than having to use a parody of another race.

i think the main point of using borat, is that taking the piss out of the fact that alot of people dont know much about kazhakastan. so he could just make up anything. i studied kazhakastan in school before i even heard of borat. they are in the news alot.

Frankie Mitz Bruno the Austrian Model is teh funny.

Thats the next film he's doing
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/news/article1945765.ece