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a few months ago i posted this, ive made some modifications.


Can any of you say your exempt or immune to propoganda today?

Name something bad.

Jesus did
Roosevelt did
Churchill did
God did

Name something good.

The KKK did
Hitler did
Stalin did
Satan did.





and feel free to add your own challenges.

a few months ago i posted this, ive made some modifications.


Can any of you say your exempt or immune to propoganda today?

Name something bad.

Jesus did
Roosevelt did
Churchill did
God did

Name something good.

The KKK did
Hitler did
Stalin did
Satan did.





and feel free to add your own challenges.
Jesus: Inspired Christianity :D
FDR: Don't know enough about him... I've heard quite a lot on this forum that he wasn't great, though.
Churchill: The poisonous gas and uncivilised tribes thing
God: Technically everything bad has been caused by God, since he's all-powerful.

KKK: Made some WASPs feel like they belonged? :p
Hitler: Dragged Germany out of the Depression
Stalin: Stalin jokes :)
Satan: Takes care of people like Hitler and Stalin for us?

Jesus: Inspired Christianity :D
FDR: Don't know enough about him... I've heard quite a lot on this forum that he wasn't great, though.
Churchill: The poisonous gas and uncivilised tribes thing
God: Technically everything bad has been caused by God, since he's all-powerful.

KKK: Made some WASPs feel like they belonged? :p
Hitler: Dragged Germany out of the Depression
Stalin: Stalin jokes :)
Satan: Takes care of people like Hitler and Stalin for us?

Hehe. i like your satan one.

im adding fidel castro and kim il sung along with chairman mao

Name something bad.

Jesus did: inspired Christianity, very bad move that.
Roosevelt did: I don't know enough about American culture to be aware of anything more than he was a president at some time or another.
Churchill did: Accept the plan of 'Bomber' Harris, which while I approve of, people of a stricter moral nature find somewhat bad.
God did: Alot of things in the Old Testament... Providing you accept his as real, which I don't.

Name something good.

The KKK did: Again, I don't know enough about American culture. They're a racist organization, it is about all I know.
Hitler did: Eugenics, improved the German economy, albeit temporarily.
Stalin did: Um... Gave the people a hobby?
Satan did: Tempted Eve. Bad for God, good for Humanity. Now acts a symbol for secular humanists of very questionable moral fiber and of a materialistic nature.

Jesus did: He probably smelled terrible.
Roosevelt did: That whole internment of Japanese-Americans thing
Churchill did: That whole "Anglo-Saxons rule the world" thing
God did: Look at the world today :rolleyes:

KKK did: I really can't tell you, I've never looked into their history in any thorough manner.
Hitler did: AUTOBAHNS!
Stalin did: Helped us win the war (No he didn't win it on his own, that's propaganda too.)
Satan did: Not very informed on the history of Satan.

Oh, how could I have forgotten this? Stalin had magic powers.

http://www.superdickery.com/images/propaganda/stalinhitler3vw.gif

Most. Awesome. Leader. Ever. :D

Name something good.

The KKK did
Hitler did
Stalin did
Satan did.


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Jesus, bad: miracles. A believer is supposed to have faith, not to wait for miracles to believe.

Roosevelt, bad: waited too much to intervene in WW2. Looked like he was hoping that Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia and Churchill's Britain destroyed each other - which they did almost completely - so the US would be hegemonic power... wait, wasn't right this what's happened?

Churchill, bad: waited to attack Germany too much. When you declare war, you attack. He should've launched an attack on Germany in the very first days of WW2, when Hitler's army was still occupied with the Poles. Also Yalta's agreement about Greece caused civil war.

God, bad: oh well. I'm an atheist. Anyway, allowing Ratzinger to become Pope instead of Cardinal Martini or Tettamanzi...

KKK, good: uh... err... bought a lot of white cloth?

Hitler, good: ... uh ... the VolksWagen Käfer.

Stalin, good: beat Hitler, forced industrialisation of CCCP.

Satan, good: by falling from heaven, he created Hell. Without Hell, no Dante's Comedy.

Propaganda.

Roosevelt, bad: waited too much to intervene in WW2. Looked like he was hoping that Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia and Churchill's Britain destroyed each other - which they did almost completely - so the US would be hegemonic power... wait, wasn't right this what's happened?


Even though he didn't have the public support to intervene in the war?

Don't make a command system unitary when it isn't. That's one of the first things we learn in upper-division FPDM classes.

Even though he didn't have the public support to intervene in the war?

Yep. Public support is a thing a politician can create, ignore, or whatever. Public interest and public good should be the main cares of a ruler, not public support. If you don't have public support, you'll simply lose the next elections and go to opposition.

Name something bad.

Jesus did--he didn't get to bitchslap Judas.
Roosevelt did--grossly expanded the powers of the federal government.
Churchill did--honestly, don't know enough about him. Perhaps his view that of the Englishmen as superior (I think I'm remembering right), but, really, I feel like I can't comment.
God did--made the universe and that's generally considered a bad thing.

Name something good.

The KKK did--popularized wearing a bed sheet over your head.
Hitler did--his actions (jump-starting WWII) helped pull the world out of the Great Depression.
Stalin did--became the inspiration for Mario.
Satan did--played pretty well for the Sabres.

Name something bad.

Roosevelt did

Roosevelt implemented McCollum's 8-action memo with the specific goal of forcing the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. (source (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/McCollum_memo_Page4.gif), cf. Day of Deceit (http://www.amazon.com/Day-Deceit-Truth-Pearl-Harbor/dp/0743201299/sr=1-1/qid=1162287409/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-6156935-1476136?ie=UTF8&s=books))

A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore.
B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies.
C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek.
D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.
E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.
F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.
G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil.
H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.


The McCollum Memo (facsimile and transcribed)

(snip)

9. It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude.

(snip eight actions already posted)

10. If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.

Jesus:He's taking too long to get down here. Except this time he has to come down, decimate the US army with the wave of a hand and make the Indian ocean disappear.... and some people still wouldn't believe it was him.
FDR: Waited WAY too long to get involved in WW2. One of my favourite examples in my 'why American hates freedom' argument.
Churchill: Yeah, the whole white supremacy thing was big.
God: Take a look at that state of creation today...

KKK: Gave us another redneck composed group to laugh about.
Hitler: Helped Germany out of the Depression.
Stalin: *must resist urge to rant... no good things about Stalin.... there we go* eventually gave up control over his generals so they could beat back the Germans... very considerate of a dictator.
Satan: Without him, the movie Little Nicky wouldn't exist. :D

Name something bad.

Jesus did - Well, saying that you're the only way to God is kind of arrogant
Roosevelt did - He married his cousin and screwed around on her
Churchill did - Whatever he did to get himself kicked out of office...that and he was kind of an asshole, if I recall correctly
God did - The whole story of Job was kind of unnecessary

Name something good.

The KKK did - They cleaned up that highway
Hitler did - He made those ugly moustaches uncool...without him, everyone would want to be Charlie Chaplin impersonators
Stalin did - Ummm...helped wear down Hitler?
Satan did. - Made him/herself very portrayable in movies

Name something bad.
Jesus did - pissed off the Jews, thus giving future Christians a reason to hate the Jews
Roosevelt did - Internment camps
Churchill did - Sent in ground troops too early; should've just used the RAF and Navy to defeat Nazi Germany (thus avoid Dunkirk)
God did - see the Bible

Name something good.
The KKK did - proved that white man can be extremely insecure
Hitler did - helped advance military tactics and technology
Stalin did - perfected the art of totalitarian dictatorships
Satan did - created temptation

My challenge:

Name something good...

Bush did
Hussein did
Castro did
Clinton did

Name something bad...

Diana of Wales did
Mother Theresa did
Trudeau did

Name something good...

Bush did keep the crime rate down
Hussein did provide a vaguely stable secular government in the middle east
Castro did look cool
Clinton did play saxophone

Name something bad...

Diana of Wales did not wear a seat belt
Mother Theresa erm.....
Trudeau did who?

Jesus did - never existed
Roosevelt did - Declared martial law in DC against Vetrans
Churchill did - where to start...
God did - does not exist

Name something good.

The KKK did - nothing
Hitler did - nothing
Stalin did - nothing
Satan did - does not exist

you point being?

Jesus did - never existed
Roosevelt did - Declared martial law in DC against Vetrans
Churchill did - where to start...
God did - does not exist

Umm.. I don't know of many athiests that actually doubt that Jesus existed as a human...doubt him as a religious figure, sure.. but that he, the person, existed? O_o

Anyhow...which Roosevelt are we talking about?

Bush (I persume the current Bush?)--umm...attacked the Taliban, I guess.
Hussein--his sons had a lot of cool cars.
Castro--served as great humor in the video where he trips and breaks his arm.
Clinton--killed Vince Foster. :p Eh, played the saxe pretty well, and spawned a lot of political jokes.

Diana--became the inspiration for that bloody Elton John song...
Mother Theresa--umm.. I don't know. =\
Trudeau--who? Isn't that, correct me I'm wrong, an ex-prime minister of Canada?

Name something bad.

Jesus did: a few of his statments were to open to abuse
Roosevelt did:Internment
Churchill did:Don't know enough about him
God did:a lot of the shit in the old testement

Name something good.

The KKK did:honestly can't think of anything.
Hitler did:volkswagon?
Stalin did:helped stop Hitler
Satan did:Handles the rest of these bastards when we are done with them

Name something bad.

Jesus did
Fictional charcter.
Roosevelt did
Got the US to interfere in the Western Front, hence leading them to see themselves as world police post-war.
Churchill did
Mustard-gassed a riot, supported corrupt White Russian generals, set soldiers on rioters and paupers in some areas, hated communism to an unreasonable level, would have sided with Hitler, the list goes on and on.
God did
Fictional character, but that shit he did with Job was a bit out of order too.
Name something good.

The KKK did
From time to time, the pretty much break up and disperse.
Hitler did
Made Germany an economic superpower in six years, and if you were a white non-Jewish male, improved your life a great deal.
Stalin did
Won World War two, and could have done single-handedly, turned Russia from a state battered by a revolution, a civil war, and a backwards previous system of rule into a force capable of taking on the world in a mere twenty or so years and stopped the spread of fascism in Europe.
Satan did.
Challenged the authoritary of a totalitarian ruler. If you're into your fiction stuff.

Name something good...

Bush did
Hussein did
Castro did
Clinton did

Name something bad...

Diana of Wales did
Mother Theresa did
Trudeau did

Bush: Assuming you mean the current Bush, he has supported AIDS charities.

Hussein: Kept religious extremism under control.

Castro: Treats education as a high priority in Cuba.

Clinton: Monica Lewinsky, or at least he probably thought so at the time.

Princess Diana: Showed flagrant disregard for car safety.

Mother Theresa: Enjoyed the suffering of poor people. Spent money that was supposed to be spent on healthcare on terrifying sick and dying people into converting to Catholicism. Set up vastly inadequate hospitals. Promoted the reduction of civil liberties. Supported Baby Doc. Had dying patients baptised without their consent. Essentially acted as a parasite who promoted poverty and suffering so that she could get some twisted pleasure out of acting like the new Jesus. And somehow, this ghoul was canonised.

Trudeau: No idea. I'm ashamed to admit that I know nothing about him.

Propaganda.You're back?! Yay!!

*runs off to join the Fassigenigen cult*

im adding fidel castro and kim il sung along with chairman mao

Fidel Castro: Made real improvements in the living standards and educational level of the Cuban people.

Chairman Mao: Helped defeat the Japanese and rebuild Chinese industry from decades of civil war and foreign occupation. Also helped modernize Chinese culture and expanded education/health services.

Kim Il Sung: Helped fight Japanese in Korea, developed North Korean industry and infrastructure to fairly advanced levels as late as the 1970's.

Fictional charcter.

As a person, Jesus existed; in the human world, he was executed for pissing off the Romans. Whether or not he was the Son of God or divinely inspired...well, we've been here 2,000 years since he came around and we haven't solved that one.

The KKK did - They cleaned up that highway


Actually, they didn't clean up the highway. That's why it got renamed to the Rosa Parks Highway, as the KKK never bothered to take care of it.

Actually, they didn't clean up the highway. That's why it got renamed to the Rosa Parks Highway, as the KKK never bothered to take care of it.

Well, what would you expect from ignorant racist slobs?

As a person, Jesus existed; in the human world, he was executed for pissing off the Romans. Whether or not he was the Son of God or divinely inspired...well, we've been here 2,000 years since he came around and we haven't solved that one.1. You can't support that claim with any evidence.
2. That's like saying a guy called Phillip existed in Spain ca. 500 years ago.

As a person, Jesus existed; in the human world, he was executed for pissing off the Romans. Whether or not he was the Son of God or divinely inspired...well, we've been here 2,000 years since he came around and we haven't solved that one.
Umm... any real proof of this?

Umm... any real proof of this?

Depends on whether you're talking about Yeshua ben Yosef or Yeshua ben Pantera.

Umm... any real proof of this?

Umm...any proof against it?

a few months ago i posted this, ive made some modifications.


Can any of you say your exempt or immune to propoganda today?

Name something bad.

Jesus did
Roosevelt did
Churchill did
God did

Name something good.

The KKK did
Hitler did
Stalin did
Satan did.





and feel free to add your own challenges.

Jesus-Nothing off the top of my head, but I'm sure if I dug around a bit, I'd find some dirt.
Roosevelt(Assuming FDR, not Teddy)-Concentration camps in US, abridgement of civil rights, and dirty campaigning and such.
Chruchill-Alchoholic.
God-Rather hypocritical at times.

KKK-Can't think of anything off hand, but might find something, somewhere. Probably sponsored some sort of charitable event.
Hitler-Practically brought the world out of Depression, one of the greatest public speakers in the 20th century(Not taking content, just on how he was able to influence)
Stalin-Helped topple Nazi Germany
Satan-Satan is purely a creation of man, as references to him are quite vague, really. He was God's right-hand man, so to speak, at one time, so really he must have been good at one point.

Umm...any proof against it?

Oh for the love of all that is holy, not the "Prove it False".

You cannot prove something false. You cannot prove that Jesus did not exist. Also, any historical reference to him during the time is suspect, as he had a very common name(Jesus wasn't his name, it was a mistranslation into Latin; his real name was Yahushua, the derivitive of Joshua), and thus any historical references to a "Yahushua" could refer to any number of "Yahushua". It is instead needed for the burden of proof to prove he, the son of God, existed, as it is unknown whether or not he existed.

Oh for the love of all that is holy, not the "Prove it False".

You cannot prove something false. You cannot prove that Jesus did not exist. Also, any historical reference to him during the time is suspect, as he had a very common name(Jesus wasn't his name, it was a mistranslation into Latin; his real name was Yahushua, the derivitive of Joshua), and thus any historical references to a "Yahushua" could refer to any number of "Yahushua". It is instead needed for the burden of proof to prove he, the son of God, existed, as it is unknown whether or not he existed.

Historians believe some guy called Lykurgus may or may not have singlehandedly implemeted Sparta's law system. There is not total proof of his existance or whether he was the one who did it, but that doesn't mean they discount the idea entirely.

Anyway, with the new "name something good" editions:

Castro: Removed Cuba's status as "personal whipping boy from whom we get cheap imports, drugs and local prostitutes" of the U.S. Castro did much more good for Cuba than bad.

Hussien: Did a better job of women's rights than the current puppet gov. is doing.

Historians believe some guy called Lykurgus may or may not have singlehandedly implemeted Sparta's law system. There is not total proof of his existance or whether he was the one who did it, but that doesn't mean they discount the idea entirely.



Not what I meant. I was under the impression that he was saying that Jesus existed because he hasn't been proven to not existed. I never meant to say that he definitively didn't exist, just that it is unknown as to whether he really did or did not exist(For instance, he may very well be a compilation of several different individuals, from which people compiled the various stories into one). He could have existed, but not being able to disprove that one existed is not ground for saying that that person did exist.

Not what I meant. I was under the impression that he was saying that Jesus existed because he hasn't been proven to not existed. I never meant to say that he definitively didn't exist, just that it is unknown as to whether he really did or did not exist(For instance, he may very well be a compilation of several different individuals, from which people compiled the various stories into one). He could have existed, but not being able to disprove that one existed is not ground for saying that that person did exist.

Well there is the whole "absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" idea, but on the whole I agree with you.