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The guy is a US citizen who lives with his wife and kids in Canada. He worked at a girls school in the US where he had sex with an under age girl. The judge gave him a choice of jail or three years exile in Canada. He took the exile. Now, the Canadians are trying to deport him and if they do, the guy will go to jail. I don't blame the Canadians.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061027/od_nm/usa_dc_1

What kind punishment is that? Whats wrong with canada?

Unless the US tries to extradite him I don't see why the Canadian government should kick him out, unless they're refusing access to their country to all those with criminal records.

What kind punishment is that? Whats wrong with canada?

I guess to at least one NY state judge, it was more or less the equivalent of Siberia.

Hold on...how the hell is "exile" even a punishment for a crime? How does a judge have legal authority to even provide that option as a punishment? I mean, I though that kind of punishment died out during the Renaissance or something...

Also, talk about a slam on Canada! I swear, it seems like people see Canada as a North American version of Siberia...

I say we send him back, with an extra criminal or two.

How utterly bizarre.

Also, talk about a slam on Canada! I swear, it seems like people see Canada as a North American version of Siberia...

Well, it isn't Florida. :D

Well, it isn't Florida. :D

Yeah, but that's because Florida pwns every other state in the US except possibly Texas and California.

Well, it isn't Florida. :D

Way too fucking hot in Florida.

oh come on, 3 years in canada is cruel and unusual punishment!


but really, why should canada take those that we cant be bothered to lock up?

oh come on, 3 years in canada is cruel and unusual punishment!


but really, why should canada take those that we cant be bothered to lock up?

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I wouldn't mind three years of exile in somewhere like France or Italy...

Way too fucking hot in Florida.

Very true. I'd much rather be sent to Canada than Florida. Especially if it's southern Ontario.

Very true. I'd much rather be sent to Canada than Florida. Especially if it's southern Ontario.

Detroit is further north than some places in southern Ontario

Detroit is further north than some places in southern Ontario

And I live about 150 miles north of Detroit.

Detroit is further north than some places in southern Ontario

The California and Oregon border is further north than parts of southern Ontario.

As long as he learns a lesson, one way or another.

Do Americans vacation in Canada frequetly?

How utterly bizarre.

Canada has every right to deport him, if for no other reason than to stick two fingers up at the judge who thought it was a good idea.

Do Americans vacation in Canada frequetly?

Tourists from U.S. citizens has been down recently. Apparently Canada doesn't seem to appeal to the mass majority of people south of the border.

Do Americans vacation in Canada frequetly?

not more than once a year. we arent a big vacation taking people.

not more than once a year. we arent a big vacation taking people.

That's pretty frequent IMO. I don't leave the country that often.

"Exile" to Canada? What is this, 2006 - or 1806? It's not like he'd be banished to go live amongst ice floes and harp seals. US judges can't just dump criminals onto us like that.

"Exile" to Canada? What is this, 2006 - or 1806? It's not like he'd be banished to go live amongst ice floes and harp seals. US judges can't just dump criminals onto us like that.

Should have been Australia

Hell yes Canada should kick him out! AND put huge amounts of diplomatic pressure on the US to let us know that we should never allow our judges do this to Canada again. Sorry Canada, I didnt know we were sending criminals up there against their will. If the bastard is too reprehensible to be trusted to live here he is also too reprehensible to be pushed in with you guys against his will and without your knowlege and consent. I wonder what in the hell that judge thinking when he did this and how many other wicked surprises has he sent to Canada?

Hell yes Canada should kick him out! AND put huge amounts of diplomatic pressure on the US to let us know that we should never allow our judges do this to Canada again. Sorry Canada, I didnt know we were sending criminals up there against their will. If the bastard is too reprehensible to be trusted to live here he is also too reprehensible to be pushed in with you guys against his will and without your knowlege and consent. I wonder what in the hell that judge thinking when he did this and how many other wicked surprises has he sent to Canada?

I don't think he was thinking, at least not thinking long or hard about this case. But really, I don't think this moron has sent sent anyone else into exile in Canada - our media would've caught wind of something like that a long while back.

What needs to be underscored, immediately to other US judges is that this is not now suddenly a viable option for sentencing.

Why the hell should we pick up the excess baggage?

Maybe the US prisons would have enough room if they stopped prosecuting people for small, VERY minor marijuana-related offences. Better yet, decriminalize it that way you can lock up the people who actually deserve it.

why deport him? send him to some isolated place in canada...way north...

why deport him? send him to some isolated place in canada...way north...

...No.

Read the thread.

why deport him? send him to some isolated place in canada...way north...

Alert, Nunavut. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alert%2C_Nunavut) :rolleyes:

Do Americans vacation in Canada frequetly?

I visit Canada three or four times a year, but I used to live on the border (Sault Sainte Marie) so I visit with friends. I know a few people who make ski or fishing trips occaisionally.

Also, kids from Michigan make trips to Windsor, Sarnia and Sault Sainte Marie quite often due to the differences in drinking age.

That's pretty frequent IMO. I don't leave the country that often.

Once a year is how often the majority of Americans take vacations period, not just leaving the country.

I'm sure the canadians would have been more offended if he had picked jail..



Why didn't they exile him to mexico instead?

The guy is a US citizen who lives with his wife and kids in Canada. He worked at a girls school in the US where he had sex with an under age girl. The judge gave him a choice of jail or three years exile in Canada. He took the exile. Now, the Canadians are trying to deport him and if they do, the guy will go to jail. I don't blame the Canadians.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061027/od_nm/usa_dc_1

...and this is what Canada's for: ice, hockey, maple syrup, and a VAST ice field to stick your criminals in. Let's all put the prisoners we don't want to pay for in Canada because they've got way too much room and Australia is full! :rolleyes:

Why didn't they exile him to mexico instead?
Cruel and unusual punishment, I guess.
Maybe they could have sent him to work to that place where they throw heads on the dance floor.

Cruel and unusual punishment, I guess.
Maybe they could have sent him to work to that place where they throw heads on the dance floor.

Is it new heads every night or recycled heads?

Do they drain the heads first? If not does the dancefloor become dangerously skippery?

Is it new heads every night or recycled heads?

Do they drain the heads first? If not does the dancefloor become dangerously skippery?

The heads have been under the sun to dry for a bit. They tried recycling, but didn't work too well.

Hell yes Canada should kick him out! AND put huge amounts of diplomatic pressure on the US to let us know that we should never allow our judges do this to Canada again. Sorry Canada, I didnt know we were sending criminals up there against their will. If the bastard is too reprehensible to be trusted to live here he is also too reprehensible to be pushed in with you guys against his will and without your knowlege and consent. I wonder what in the hell that judge thinking when he did this and how many other wicked surprises has he sent to Canada?Maybe we should throw a few American crooks back down there? I mean it's just unbelievable,doesn't doing that require the consent of the country he's being sent .The fact that the Judge didn't, seems to me to show nothing less than arrogance and contempt for Canada.

The guy is a US citizen who lives with his wife and kids in Canada. He worked at a girls school in the US where he had sex with an under age girl. The judge gave him a choice of jail or three years exile in Canada. He took the exile. Now, the Canadians are trying to deport him and if they do, the guy will go to jail. I don't blame the Canadians.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061027/od_nm/usa_dc_1
Poor guy :(

Do Americans vacation in Canada frequetly?

No, they get sent there as punishment.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 13 (2).

Unless the US tries to extradite him I don't see why the Canadian government should kick him out, unless they're refusing access to their country to all those with criminal records.

Wouldent you? I mean its not like he did his time and worked at recovery ... Whatever fucking idiot decided that deportation was acceptable punishment should be fired

The canadians should not be forced to accept an immagrent that they do not wish. And in this case they are compleatly reasonable not to want to accept an immagrent that has not goten treatment for his crime

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 13 (2).

This was not arbitrary ... not any more then any other decision ... they were sent someone that commited statitory rape they do not have to accept any immagrent they do not wish and it is compleatly reasonable to not wish a rapist that has not served a reasonable sentance

This was not arbitrary ... not any more then any other decision ... they were sent someone that commited statitory rape they do not have to accept any immagrent they do not wish and it is compleatly reasonable to not wish a rapist that has not served a reasonable sentance

Actually, the exile doesn't have to be "arbitrary," it just has to be exile. In conjunction with article 13 (2) exile of a citizen is a breach of human rights.

Also, you need to learn how to spell "immigrant," already.

Actually, the exile doesn't have to be "arbitrary," it just has to be exile. In conjunction with article 13 (2) exile of a citizen is a breach of human rights.

Also, you need to learn how to spell "immigrant," already.

I apologize I normally use a gui based machine that would allow me word or failing that Aspell to correct my mistakes. As I am in the process of rebuilding my raid unfortunately only my text based servers are available at this time. I hope my spelling was not so bad as to distract you from my actual argument.

Other then that the larger of the two breaches of human rights I believe would be on the US’s side. (If that is what you were implying in the original quote I apologize for some reason I took it as you commenting on the failing of Canada in this case)

I apologize I normally use a gui based machine that would allow me word or failing that Aspell to correct my mistakes. As I am in the process of rebuilding my raid unfortunately only my text based servers are available at this time. I hope my spelling was not so bad as to distract you from my actual argument.

It was just the repetition of the misspelling that was annoying. You misspelt it exactly the same way every time you wrote it. It gets so apparent that way.

Other then that the larger of the two breaches of human rights I believe would be on the US’s side. (If that is what you were implying in the original quote I apologize for some reason I took it as you commenting on the failing of Canada in this case)

Oh, no, Canada has not breached his rights as he is not a Canadian citizen - they can deport him if they want to. It is the US that breached his rights by exiling him, because exiling is a no-no according to the declaration. Not that the US has ever cared about human rights, but still...

It was just the repetition of the misspelling that was annoying. You misspelt it exactly the same way every time you wrote it. It gets so apparent that way.



Oh, no, Canada has not breached his rights as he is not a Canadian citizen - they can deport him if they want to. It is the US that breached his rights by exiling him, because exiling is a no-no according to the declaration. Not that the US has ever cared about human rights, but still...

Well then we are in agreement other then my atrocious spelling of immigrant :)

Tourists from U.S. citizens has been down recently. Apparently Canada doesn't seem to appeal to the mass majority of people south of the border.

Tourism is down because our dollar is up. The American dollar doesn't go nearly as far as it used to here.

Tourists from U.S. citizens has been down recently. Apparently Canada doesn't seem to appeal to the mass majority of people south of the border.

My friends went up recently, and said the Canadian view of Niagara Falls is FAR superior.

My friends went up recently, and said the Canadian view of Niagara Falls is FAR superior.

I went to both sides ... to be honest I found them both impressive I can not say I really had a favorite

Well, it isn't Florida. :D

...thank God!:p

Great, only other person that does wants to be a dick about this and send a bunch of criminals in retalliation is a noob.

Why send him to Canada? Tee judge should have senthim to Alaska, its colder than most of Canada, and sending him there wont piss off the Canadians.

Kinda makes sense I went to canada for my honeymoon .

Great, only other person that does wants to be a dick about this and send a bunch of criminals in retalliation is a noob.I am no noob,i have 2 other nations on the go with over 500 posts. Getting back to your point I was being sarcastic,:rolleyes: Put the shoe on the other foot,you can be sure there would be a hell of a stink if a Canadian Judge imposed this sentence to an American Citizen.Personally, I think the Judge is a dink.

Watson, a U.S. citizen, lives in southern Ontario near the U.S. border with his wife and children. He had commuted to work at a girls' school in nearby Buffalo, New York. [takes a deep breath] HE'S ALREADY LIVING IN CANADA! he's not being 'sent' there, he's already there.

if he was living in the US, it would probably equate to being "Home Jailed" but since the U.S. Judge cannot enforce that while he's still in Canada, the judge opted to just bar him from the US. So all the Canadia Gov can do is Deport him to the US and then the Judge can either Home Jail him or send him to prison.

Barring him from the US is a violation of international law.

My first thought this might have something to do with Canada's lower age of consent. Chances are the underage girl would have been legal in Canada.

[takes a deep breath] HE'S ALREADY LIVING IN CANADA! he's not being 'sent' there, he's already there.

if he was living in the US, it would probably equate to being "Home Jailed" but since the U.S. Judge cannot enforce that while he's still in Canada, the judge opted to just bar him from the US. So all the Canadia Gov can do is Deport him to the US and then the Judge can either Home Jail him or send him to prison.


THANK YOU! I was wondering if anybody had actually read the article and was about to go off. My faith in humanity has been restored.

The guy is an American, but he lives in Canada, and commuted over the border to teach. The judge, unable to put him on house arrest because his residence was out of the country, instead ordered him to remain outside the U.S., except to see his parole officer.

THANK YOU! I was wondering if anybody had actually read the article and was about to go off. My faith in humanity has been restored.

The guy is an American, but he lives in Canada, and commuted over the border to teach. The judge, unable to put him on house arrest because his residence was out of the country, instead ordered him to remain outside the U.S., except to see his parole officer.

Why the fuck would I have to read the article? All the good NSers will do that for me.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.he had a trial, he was found guilty and HE CHOOSE the temporary exile. nothing arbitrary on the arrest, detention or exile.

and since he is already living in Canada, it's not like he has to move... unless Canada kicks him out.

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 13 (2).and he can return to the USA. but should he return, he will be arrested and placed in jail. again, no breaking of the rules.

Just because Canada Deports him, doesn't mean he has to return to the US. he can be deported to Japan, Russia or any other country.

Unless the US tries to extradite him I don't see why the Canadian government should kick him out, unless they're refusing access to their country to all those with criminal records.
A lot of countries have such rules on people with criminal records. Including the US.

THANK YOU! I was wondering if anybody had actually read the article and was about to go off. My faith in humanity has been restored.

The guy is an American, but he lives in Canada, and commuted over the border to teach. The judge, unable to put him on house arrest because his residence was out of the country, instead ordered him to remain outside the U.S., except to see his parole officer.

Yeah, but him being only a resident and not applying for citizenship makes him vulnerable to his residency being revoked for reasons such as having a criminal record. Canada has every right to send him back to his country of origin. Quite simply, we don't have to take the scum you don't want, even if they married our girls.

That being said, It was a sentence agreed upon by everyone, even the victim's family. But then it got out in the press and got political...

*shakes fist at politics*