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Seing as people didnt take my previous threads seriously I will combine them to one and explain what I am doing

I am currently working on a presentation along the following question lines

"To what extent have Green parties been sucessful in their attempts to challenge the party systems of Western European states, using two states as explaniation"

I am using Britian and Germany as my examples and I am arguing that one of the reasons that the British green party has not been as sucessful as the German green party is that the British people are, in general, less motivated by ideological viewpoints, and thus care less about the greens seeing them as a fringe, narrow, ideological party.

Therefore this survey is very useful to me to find out whether or not British people see themselves as ideolgocally motivated

So I will ask again

Do you consider your voting patterns or political views to be strongly motivated by a particular ideology or abstract concept?

And a new pole breaking it into three groups...

I don't think this would be very viable research, I mean how do you know that your poll is not contaminated?

i did a similar essay for my politics degree.
i didn't use empirical evidence, just argued different perspectives. i think.... i was pretty high at the time :p


edit: this many polls could be considered spamming. could you get all your polls into one thread, or ask people to email you their answers or something?
edit2: oh, you have

I don't think this would be very viable research, I mean how do you know that your poll is not contaminated?

Its not a major part of the research, its just anecdotal.

How many polls do you plan to set up for this?
No one with a brain casts a vote based ideology. Intelligent people vote based on who seems to be best for solving the problems at hand.

Its not a major part of the research, its just anecdotal.

then it should not matter if people mess up your poll.

then it should not matter if people mess up your poll.

If there are only 6 voters and it means that you completley change the result then yes it does. It doesnt matter if I get a number of results say above 20 but at the moment it would be very helpful if you would.

How many polls do you plan to set up for this?
No one with a brain casts a vote based ideology. Intelligent people vote based on who seems to be best for solving the problems at hand.

You are flat wrong there.

Intelligent people, more so than the stupid ones, have and recognise their basic beliefs about how government should act, and often vote accordingly.

Secondly the opinion that you hold as to the best way to solve the present problems is often based on ideology, so your suggestion is that people don't vote on the basis of ideology, they vote on the basis of the conclusions derived from their ideology.

What about the rest of the world. (Africa, Asia, Non US America, oceania) We have democracies too you know.

yes - USA - and a green party member to boot. =)

just to show you that fusing it will not change anything, i just messed up your poll.

Again... what about Ireland?

Seing as people didnt take my previous threads seriously I will combine them to one and explain what I am doing

I am currently working on a presentation along the following question lines

"To what extent have Green parties been sucessful in their attempts to challenge the party systems of Western European states, using two states as explaniation"

I am using Britian and Germany as my examples and I am arguing that one of the reasons that the British green party has not been as sucessful as the German green party is that the British people are, in general, less motivated by ideological viewpoints, and thus care less about the greens seeing them as a fringe, narrow, ideological party.

Therefore this survey is very useful to me to find out whether or not British people see themselves as ideolgocally motivated

So I will ask again

Do you consider your voting patterns or political views to be strongly motivated by a particular ideology or abstract concept?

And a new pole breaking it into three groups...


Ok, you're wrong there already.
The Green Party was able to gain influence in Germany due to the election system.
Britain is essentially a two-party country, whereas the German system hardly ever allows one party an absolute majority, thereby forcing coalitions.

Ok, you're wrong there already.
The Green Party was able to gain influence in Germany due to the election system.
Britain is essentially a two-party country, whereas the German system hardly ever allows one party an absolute majority, thereby forcing coalitions.

Thats one of the other reasons I state, but in a presentation like this you really need multiple arguments

Ok, you're wrong there already.
The Green Party was able to gain influence in Germany due to the election system.
Britain is essentially a two-party country, whereas the German system hardly ever allows one party an absolute majority, thereby forcing coalitions.

the other issue that sprung to mind to me was also that ideology may be important to both countries' voters, but the ideological preference may be different. german voters may simply value environmental concerns over their british counterparts.

Thats one of the other reasons I state, but in a presentation like this you really need multiple arguments

In that case, you might find it inetersting that the oecological movement in Germany was indeed started by youth rebellions in the late 60s, but largely remained a fringe group until the early 80s, when German forest were visibly dying.
That and Chernobyl kickstarted the oecological conscience of the overall German population.

the other issue that sprung to mind to me was also that ideology may be important to both countries' voters, but the ideological preference may be different. german voters may simply value environmental concerns over their british counterparts.

I would say they do. Germans tend to be extremely attached to their countryside, particularly the forests. When those started dying, that's when the Green Party suddenly became a mainstream party.

How many polls do you plan to set up for this?
No one with a brain casts a vote based ideology. Intelligent people vote based on who seems to be best for solving the problems at hand.

As I stated in the other poll (the one aimed at Americans), I vote based on what is, in my opinion, best (or least harmful) for all. This does constitute an ideology - call it the common sense ideology if you will, but it is still an ideology.

No political stance is untainted by ideology. No one is completely objective.

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This I think is a better way to try this poll.

Yes my voting pattern has been and will continue to be influenced (rather than motivated, Im not sure patterns are easily motivated) in the extreme by an ideology and semi abstract concept. It is a personal rather than political concept however. I vote for who and what I believe will best benefit me. Not everybody, just me. I believe that everyone in a representative democracy should vote with their own interests in mind rather than the needs of their society as a whole in order to be best represented by their governments and to possibly avoid some expensive and embarrassing experiments in social engineering by their governments

I voted honestly, FYI. Hopefully that'll help dilute the effects of certain losers who have nothing better to do than repeatedly screw up other people's work... :rolleyes:

(PS: You should have made the poll public! Much easier to catch the spoilers.)

Your poll seems to be closed but I'll answer here anyway: I live in the UK and I would vote based on ideology but I'm not quite 18 yet (roll on December :p ).