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Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends

Wake up and smell the 21st century. This isn't another Crusade.

Buddhists, because they'll come back again and again and again.....

Zoroasterism FTW!

Islam because they have a better way of making and keeping their converts. Christianity just preaches that if you don't worship their God, you'll suffer eternal torture. Islam preaches that if you don't worship their God, you'll suffer eternal torture AND they'll kill you. The choice is clear.

Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?


myrth would win.

I would say Christian, because of the Republicans, and George W. Bush. Not that I like it, but Bush can Nuke Islam back to well, hmm. How the hell do you nuke a society back to the stone age when they're already there?

I would say Christian, because of the Republicans, and George W. Bush. Not that I like it, but Bush can Nuke Islam back to well, hmm. How the hell do you nuke a society back to the stone age when they're already there?
Wilgrove has a point... other than his horribly innaccurate depiction of Middle Eastern technological advancement (any oil-rich country has plenty cash)... the Christian-dominated world currently has enough nuclear weaponry to obliterate every living thing in the Middle East as well as Indonesia and Northern Africa.

Wilgrove has a point... other than his horribly innaccurate depiction of Middle Eastern technological advancement (any oil-rich country has plenty cash)... the Christian-dominated world currently has enough nuclear weaponry to obliterate every living thing in the Middle East as well as Indonesia and Northern Africa.

The stone age comment was in reference to their society, not their technology.

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

Fucking WRONG. Christianity is still the fastest growing religion in the world.

CHOP!

Wilgrove has a point... other than his horribly innaccurate depiction of Middle Eastern technological advancement (any oil-rich country has plenty cash)... the Christian-dominated world currently has enough nuclear weaponry to obliterate every living thing in the Middle East as well as Indonesia and Northern Africa.

True, the only majority muslim country that has nukes is Pakistan, Libya almost got 'em, Iran might be gettin 'em, but we've had 'em.

Fucking WRONG. Christianity is still the fastest growing religion in the world.

CHOP!

Source?

The stone age comment was in reference to their society, not their technology.
Again, massive generalization. I won't plead Afghanistan's or Morocco's case, but at least Turkey and some other countries have a pretty good concept of modern civilization.

Source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastest_growing_religion

It's tempting to look at percentages. But Wicca has a 143% growth rate.

Christianity is receiving the highest numbers.

The stone age comment was in reference to their society, not their technology.

How do you make that judgment, exactly? Do they traveled in time and are actually from the Stone Age? Just curious.

hele.

I think Islam because (slowly and thanks in part to anti-Bushism sweeping thorugh America) most non-muslims are starting to realize that Islam ain't an evil religion. Also 99.9% of the Catholics I know have lost repect and dedication to their faith. I only have one Catholic friend who is actually religious. (Mind you I go to a Catholic Highschool).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastest_growing_religion

It's tempting to look at percentages. But Wicca has a 143% growth rate.

Christianity is receiving the highest numbers.

So? If Islam sustains its higher rate of growth (as it probably will) then it will overtake Christianity. The maths is simple.

So? If Islam sustains its higher rate of growth (as it probably will) then it will overtake Christianity. The maths is simple.

The problem is that the Christian extreme has political clout in the USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy, well most of the worlds primary powers.

If Islam starts to be considered a direct threat, certain "measures" will be taken.

We can already see it happening. With the Islamophobia already churning through all of the main media organisations.

So? If Islam sustains its higher rate of growth (as it probably will) then it will overtake Christianity. The maths is simple.

You say it like it'll happen tomorrow. Christians account for a third of all people, or above 2 billion. Muslims account for over a sixth, or above one billion. The number of muslims has to double.

Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?

They both lose. Whatever happens they still have imaginary friends.

Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?

Atheism.

The problem is that the Christian extreme has political clout in the USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy, well most of the worlds primary powers.

If Islam starts to be considered a direct threat, certain "measures" will be taken.

We can already see it happening. With the Islamophobia already churning through all of the main media organisations.

America and Italy maybe (although many Italians are Catholic in name only) but most European powers are resolutely secular and fundamentalists have little power to speak of. Even if they did gain power and exiled all the Muslims this would actually increase the number of Muslims even further (the traditionally Muslim countries they'd return to tend to have less sexual equality and there is a correlation between reduced women's rights and a higher birth rate).

N.B. Maybe I should have made myself clearer in my first post: I'm only discussing the numbers of Christians vs. the number of Muslims rather than who would 'win' in a war. If there was a war then, regardless of which religion won, an oppressive theocracy would be in place.

You say it like it'll happen tomorrow. Christians account for a third of all people, or above 2 billion. Muslims account for over a sixth, or above one billion. The number of muslims has to double.

I believe there are approximately 1.4 billion Muslims in the world (although the figure is probably higher. I'm not saying it'll happen soon but the balance will certainly shift significantly over the course of this century.

Christianity: 5000 nuclear warheads
Islam: 200 nuclear warheads.

Christianity: 5000 nuclear warheads
Islam: 200 nuclear warheads.
200 warheads is still enough to blast most of the Western world. I say a mushroom cloud-shaped draw.

200 warheads is still enough to blast most of the Western world. I say a mushroom cloud-shaped draw.

Not really, they have no way to deliver them.

Atheism.

Well, or the FSM (http://venganza.org).

They will kill each others :headbang: :mp5: :sniper: while we, the atheists, grow up :fluffle:

OK, someone with artistic photoshop skills needs to come up with a modified version of the Alien versus Predator (http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/pic/REIN/13525~Alien-vs-Predator-Posters.jpg) "Whoever wins, we lose" picture with a Christian leader and Muslim leader instead of alien and predator.

Islam, sadly.

Too many Christians have been Westernized into thinking that religion is a stay-st-home thing and would never fight. They might actually fight against the Christians, because we all know those outspoken Christians must have done something to provoke those poor peaceful Muslims.

both lose

It saddens me how many people are actually sitting here going, "Hmm, which one wins?"

How does a religion WIN, exactly?

What are the conditions of victory for this little Jihad/Crusade which is so pleasurable to think about, in your bed?

...Eradicating everyone who practices any other faith?
...Becoming a numerical majority?
...Constructing the most phallic shrines?
...what?

Who would win?
So who well win?
Who would win what?

The problem is that the Christian extreme has political clout in the USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy, well most of the worlds primary powers.

We can already see it happening. With the Islamophobia already churning through all of the main media organisations.
Extreme Christians don't have any political influence in the UK, France, or Germany. Italy is not a primary world power. In the Middle East extreme Muslims have political clout in almost every country, and a monopoly on power in some of them.

200 warheads is still enough to blast most of the Western world. I say a mushroom cloud-shaped draw.
Pakistan may as well have none as far as the west is concerned. They're never envisaged sending their nukes any further than India.

I'm tempted to say Islam. Christians will just keep turning the other cheek.

On the other hand America is slowly but surely slapping down every Muslim country.

Afghanistan: Buggered thanks to lame excuse
Iraq: Buggered thanks to atrociously ridiculous excuse
Lebanon: Israel allies in proccess of buggery
Iran: On verge of being buggered due to lame excuse

Turkey is becoming westernized, so no danger. Egypt and Saudi Arabia aren't a danger, which means at the current rate all Islamic nations will be slowly westernized or made third world.

So yeah, Christianity.

both lose

Exactly!!
The only possible victory would be the result of NO CONTEST!!!

It saddens me how many people are actually sitting here going, "Hmm, which one wins?"

How does a religion WIN, exactly?

What are the conditions of victory for this little Jihad/Crusade which is so pleasurable to think about, in your bed?

...Eradicating everyone who practices any other faith?
...Becoming a numerical majority?
...Constructing the most phallic shrines?
...what?
I vote for the phallic shrines, but then I'm a pagan. :)

What are the conditions of victory for this little Jihad/Crusade which is so pleasurable to think about, in your bed?

Being right ?
Nope - that aspect does not seem to interest anybody.

Being the best basis for a stable set of ethics that increases happiness for all?
Nope - again that aspect does not seem to interest anybody.

Being the best excuse to spit on your neighbour ?
Hell, yes.

Surely, not grammar.

Well Islam is currently in a civil war between those muslims who can reconcile their faith with the realities of today and those who want to go back to a middle-aged style of life. So with the civil war between Muslims, Christians would theoretically win a "war" if held today.

Well Islam is currently in a civil war between those muslims who can reconcile their faith with the realities of today and those who want to go back to a middle-aged style of life. So with the civil war between Muslims, Christians would theoretically win a "war" if held today.
What makes you think Christians wouldn't dissolve into the same "civil war" as the Muslims? I have heard that there are over 40,000 distinct Christian sects in the world. If it came down to defining "Christian" over against other religions, as the Muslims are trying to for Islam, I wouldn't be surprised to hear cries of "Die, heretic!" ringing from just about every church on the planet.

Sorry, but any debate about religion is pointless. Anyone in their right mind can see that something that can't be proven, can therefore not exist. Anyone weakminded enough to rely on something they can't explain, or prove to exist seriously needs counselling (or perhaps culling?!). Losers! ;)

What makes you think Christians wouldn't dissolve into the same "civil war" as the Muslims? I have heard that there are over 40,000 distinct Christian sects in the world. If it came down to defining "Christian" over against other religions, as the Muslims are trying to for Islam, I wouldn't be surprised to hear cries of "Die, heretic!" ringing from just about every church on the planet.

Its still very unlikely that such a Civil war would occur within Christianity.

Anyways the line "Die, heretic!" reminds me of the space marines in warhammer 40k.

For the emperor!!

Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?

I wouldn't exactly call the west 'Christian'. Some Muslims don't see the difference, but even more surprisingly, some westerners don't either. There is such huge differences between popular western culture and Christianity that no practising Christian would ever consider western culture Christian. It may have had it's roots in Christian ideals, but it is now no more Christian than Roman.

Ironically, the clash between Islam and Christianity is rather confusing, because of the far greater clash between Islam and the West. If there was going to be a war with Islam, it probably wouldn't be Christianity versus Islam. More like the West vs Islam. And considering the huge conflict between Christianity and popular culture, I wouldn't be surprised to find the battle lines drawn differently--since there are Islamic Westerners and Christians who live in Middle Eastern countries.

In conclusion, anyone setting up a Christian versus Muslim scenario has perhaps not really considered many of the dividing issues and causes of conflict that we are currently observing in the world.

Its still very unlikely that such a Civil war would occur within Christianity.
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Why?

EDIT: Remember, it already has happened, more than once. Catholic schisms and Protestant Reformation ring any bells?

Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?

Your forgetting that all of the west will jump behind the christians if a war broke out between the Vatican and Mecca :p
Whereas the Sauds would join christianity as its better for business, Iraqs to weak now, And the jews would too.

History repeats itself some say. Though it was a different time of Christianity. I never said it would never happen. I just find it an unlikely occurrance. There is no tension with any sect of Christianity that would cause me to believe that there would be some sort of "civil war". Actually from what I have gathered alot of them have come together despite diversities and acknowledge and respect each other for their minor different beliefs whether they may agree or not.

Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?

Will someone please post the "Aw Jeez, not this shit again!" Picture?

History repeats itself some say. Though it was a different time of Christianity. I never said it would never happen. I just find it an unlikely occurrance. There is no tension with any sect of Christianity that would cause me to believe that there would be some sort of "civil war". Actually from what I have gathered alot of them have come together despite diversities and acknowledge and respect each other for their minor different beliefs whether they may agree or not.
So, then, you're just speculating about the future based on idle musings and vague impressions of your own and in contradiction of a proven historical record. OK. You're not the only one doing that in this thread.

Will someone please post the "Aw Jeez, not this shit again!" Picture?
http://limewoody.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg

So, then, you're just speculating about the future based on idle musings and vague impressions of your own and in contradiction of a proven historical record. OK. You're not the only one doing that in this thread.

Hardly. Historys past shapes the present but is not an exact replica so where is this contradiction that you speak of. If anything people only speculate about the future since that is what you can only do. Though this is a ficticious future. Also instead of random babble of saying I am "in the wrong" why dont you show instead of being all talk

Two religions enter! One religion leave! Two religions enter! One religion leave! Two religions enter! One religion leave!

THUNDERDOME!

Two religions enter! One religion leave! Two religions enter! One religion leave! Two religions enter! One religion leave!

THUNDERDOME!
*buys front row ticket* :D

Hardly. Historys past shapes the present but is not an exact replica so where is this contradiction that you speak of. If anything people only speculate about the future since that is what you can only do. Though this is a ficticious future. Also instead of random babble of saying I am "in the wrong" why dont you show instead of being all talk
Show what? I asked you a question. I asked you what you base your assertion about Christianity on. Your answer was, you base it on nothing but speculation. Don't blame me for it. If you don't want your statements to be dismissed as speculative, then you should base them in fact. Unfortunately for your assertion, in this case, the facts do not support it. Christianity has historically shown itself to be perfectly capable of sliding into schism (which is what a "civil war" within a religion is called). If you are asserting that, in this case, history should not be expected to repeat itself, then it is up to you to explain how the present is different from the past. All you have offered for explanation is your personal thoughts and feelings.

As for the validity of history as an example, I refer you to Damon Runyon: "The race does not always go to the swift, nor the victory to the strong, but that's the way you bet." Christianity has gone through multiple violent schisms. I see nothing in its present condition that would lead me to believe it could not do so again, quite easily.

i'd find it funny if paganism returnedand took over europe. it would great! drugs and orgies!

Just occurred to me: Shouldn't there be a third option on the poll?

A) Islam
B) Christianity
C) Halliburton

Something like that, maybe?

Well it seems more like you turn a blind cheek to reality if you ask such a question. How is Christianity different from its past to today? Easiest example would be the fact that there are so many denominations now than there were back then. Though Catholocism maybe the biggest one nowadays its power(some will find that arguable) and size has decreased dramatically. It does not have the same influence as it once had and influence works different these days. Since there has been no tension from one sect to another(at least not a large enough sect) there would be no sort of civil war and anything would be more like some sort of minor fued. Different circumstances make it more of a time where civil war isnt a very possible sort of thing at this time. Especially comparing Christianity to a religion that has had constant strife ever since Mohammed died as informed by my muslim co-workers.

Christianity is far more stable fyi.

Who would win?

Their are more Christians in the world but Islam is the fastest growing religon.

I know that the West is Christian But all the Oil is in The Muslim land of Saudi Arabia.

Without oil god knows what well happen.

So who well win?

Satan, Lucifer, the Corruptor, the Devil, the King of Hell... that would be the winner.

Well it seems more like you turn a blind cheek to reality if you ask such a question.
A blind what?

How is Christianity different from its past to today? Easiest example would be the fact that there are so many denominations now than there were back then. Though Catholocism maybe the biggest one nowadays its power(some will find that arguable) and size has decreased dramatically. It does not have the same influence as it once had and influence works different these days. Since there has been no tension from one sect to another(at least not a large enough sect) there would be no sort of civil war and anything would be more like some sort of minor fued. Different circumstances make it more of a time where civil war isnt a very possible sort of thing at this time. Especially comparing Christianity to a religion that has had constant strife ever since Mohammed died as informed by my muslim co-workers.
I see. More factions = less likelihood of dispute. Riiiight...

Christianity is far more stable fyi.
You have yet to show any evidence to back up this claim.

Being the best excuse to spit on your neighbour ?
Hell, yes.

Since when did anyone need an excuse? And how can you win when everyone has an excuse to spit on their neighbours anyway?

The day of judgment/ second coming would probably be caused directly by this unlikely event, since depending on your point of view, it is the armies of evil vs. the armies of good, and that is necessary for both religion's end of times. At least,I think so...

I think China would own everyone in the end. You know they'll just repopulate the earth after the stupid abrahamic religions blow each other to smithereens.

The asian man shall rule once more! :D

I see. More factions = less likelihood of dispute. Riiiight...


I think not necessarily less probability of dispute as less probablity of unity.

Look at the Lebanese civil war as a microcosm of the whole imagined situation. Maronites vs. Druze Vs. Sunnis vs. Shia vs. Catholics vs. whomever else was around at the time.

I think not necessarily less probability of dispute as less probablity of unity.

Look at the Lebanese civil war as a microcosm of the whole imagined situation. Maronites vs. Druze Vs. Sunnis vs. Shia vs. Catholics vs. whomever else was around at the time.
Right. That's the point I was trying to make. The poster I was responding to seemed to think that because there are even more Christian sects now than there were during the schisms and Reformation, that somehow makes Christianity MORE stable.