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I would have thought somewhere in the US. But I'm a European, and I would say that.

Maybe either the poor suburbs of Paris or somewhere like Camden or Detroit. But then again, I imagine it depends on how you define "dangerous".

Maybe either the poor suburbs of Paris or somewhere like Camden or Detroit. But then again, I imagine it depends on how you define "dangerous".

oh, i didnt think of Paris. I assume you mean Camden in the US somewhere? Because Camden, London is full of students and middle class suburban kids buying things with checkerboard patterns and being annoying and hysterical.

Does South Africa count as "First World"?

Does South Africa count as "First World"?
I would also say South Africa. or maybe New York (lotsa murders, a huge terrorist attack)

Does South Africa count as "First World"?

if it does then it is easily that. i live in the UK and i dont understand why anyone would move to a place where rape cages and armed response are standard.

Ramadi, Iraq. One-third of all casualties happen there.

oh, i didnt think of Paris. I assume you mean Camden in the US somewhere? Because Camden, London is full of students and middle class suburban kids buying things with checkerboard patterns and being annoying and hysterical.

Camden, NJ. I think it was voted "most dangerous city in America" multiple times in a row, and it's consistently one of the poorest cities as well.

Does South Africa count as "First World"?
That or Iraq...
Oh First World...

Yeah i agree South Africa.

Ramadi, Iraq. One-third of all casualties happen there.

What part of Iraq is 'first world'?

What part of Iraq is 'first world'?

Saddam's palaces?

What part of Iraq is 'first world'?

oh. oops.

What part of Iraq is 'first world'?

the green zone?

The wikipedia opinion on the subject. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Atual_First_World_Map.PNG) You all know what that means with regards to accuracy, but it gives the slow a better idea..


Based off that map I might be inclined to say somewhere in isreal..

I also heard DC was quite dangerous. When we were last in the US we drove through south central LA, that seemed pretty dangerous.

Well, if it were 20 years ago, North Dakota. They had HUGE amounts of nuclear missile sites throughout the state. However, with disarming, it's now but a small blip.

So... it really depends on circumstances most of the time. For example, a tourist in many South American countries is dangerous.

Or a Democrat in the Texas would have it pretty rough.

However, after remember that you said "First World", I guess North Dakota, South America, and Texas are knocked out of the running. :D

So, like others, South Africa is pretty damn bad.

Seriously, how many of you people can't read and understand the words 'first world'?.

"First world" is kind of a dated concept anyway, considering that there's no longer a Communist bloc or Soviet Union and it doesn't really accommodate nations like China or India very well.

LDC and MDC might be better labels?

The wikipedia opinion on the subject. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Atual_First_World_Map.PNG) You all know what that means with regards to accuracy, but it gives the slow a better idea..


Based off that map I might be inclined to say somewhere in isreal..

the baltic states are clearly 1st world.

theyre in the EU now :D

plus israel i really dont see as first world. it might have the wealth but itll never be in the same league as the EU, US and far east. unless it moves about 2000 miles into the Med.

"First world" is kind of a dated concept anyway, considering that there's no longer a Communist bloc or Soviet Union and it doesn't really accommodate nations like China or India very well.

LDC and MDC might be better labels?

never! with 1st and 3rd labels, its a race, and we're winning!

"First world" is kind of a dated concept anyway, considering that there's no longer a Communist bloc or Soviet Union and it doesn't really accommodate nations like China or India very well.

LDC and MDC might be better labels?


True, but you can still get a basic idea of whats been talked about. I deleted that part of my post anyway, but you snuck in a quote on me :(

Monkeypimp, would you consider New Zealand to be First World?
I wouldn't call us First or Third, maybe Second World...

We are slipping behind world Standards!

Somewhere in russia, the US, or far and away south africa if you count it.

Monkeypimp, would you consider New Zealand to be First World?
I wouldn't call us First or Third, maybe Second World...

We are slipping behind world Standards!

One day my child, you shall leave the ghetto of the hutt valley and move into the light that is the first world rest-of-New Zealand. One day..

North-East Jersey (Camden, Newark) is one of the most dangerous places in America, but I don't know how it compares to other "first-world" nations.

To whoever said New York, it's really not that dangerous anymore. It's not totally safe, but there are many more dangerous places.

Camden, NJ. I think it was voted "most dangerous city in America" multiple times in a row, and it's consistently one of the poorest cities as well.

And I live 10 mins away!

And I live 10 mins away!

You think that's bad? I live near Watford, near London.


and i dont like it!

Monkeypimp, would you consider New Zealand to be First World?
I wouldn't call us First or Third, maybe Second World...

We are slipping behind world Standards!

I'd certainly consider NZ to be First World.

I would also say South Africa. or maybe New York (lotsa murders, a huge terrorist attack)
New York is actually quite safe. The murder per capita level is roughly a third of my So Cal suburb's...

The crater of Kīlauea.
*nods*

Maybe either the poor suburbs of Paris or somewhere like Camden or Detroit. But then again, I imagine it depends on how you define "dangerous".

Detroit isn't quite so bad these days. Flint, however.......

Detroit isn't quite so bad these days. Flint, however.......

Flint Michigan is not part of the first world.

Flint Michigan is not part of the first world.

I was going to disagree, but I really can't.

The US, based on the crime/murder rates.

One day my child, you shall leave the ghetto of the hutt valley and move into the light that is the first world rest-of-New Zealand. One day..
Burn.:(
I'd certainly consider NZ to be First World.
A whole bunch of panic merchants with a wholeof stats that i am not prepared to find do say we are slipping.

The US, based on the crime/murder rates.

Oh please.

Compared to Colombia, the US is one of the safest countries in the world.

And I really am staggered by those who have been continually bleating and shrieking out "New York City!!! Because of all of the murders and the terrorist attack!!! washington DC!!!!"

Obviously you get all of your information from Hollywood movies and nothing from actual real live newspapers.

The facts are these:

Every city and town has bad/dangerous parts to it, especially at night or in the early morning..

As regards that Wikipedia map, whoever made it up is full of crap, as they don't consider ANY of South America/Austrailia/New Zealand/Japan to be first world. They aren't much of a bigoted racist are they?

If one includes Israel/ and the aforementioned countries and landmasses as well as South Africa/Egypt, then I'd have to go with South Africa. According to some firends of my dad's who lived there, things got even scarier after the fall of aparthied.

Most dangerous? Simple. The Australian Bush.

Aside from the various poisonous critters (most of whom, actually, can be avoided easily if you have half a brain), then unless you luck out and find a source of water, of which there are not many, then you are going to be dead in a remarkably short amount of time.

Humanity ain't got nothin' on mother nature.

South Central ftw... I mean come on, NWA was formed in that area. Thats one badass place to be from. Fo real homie.

Oh please.

Compared to Colombia, the US is one of the safest countries in the world.

And I really am staggered by those who have been continually bleating and shrieking out "New York City!!! Because of all of the murders and the terrorist attack!!! washington DC!!!!"

Obviously you get all of your information from Hollywood movies and nothing from actual real live newspapers.

The facts are these:

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Well we have the largest incarceration rate (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html) in the world, mus mean there is a lot of crime going on, no?


Not to mention the top in rape cases (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes)

and total crime (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes)

and car thefts (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes)

and assaults (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass-crime-assaults)


A list of other crime stats (http://www.nationmaster.com/red/country/us-united-states/cri-crime&all=1)

America is safe my ass ;)

Most dangerous? Simple. The Australian Bush.

Aside from the various poisonous critters (most of whom, actually, can be avoided easily if you have half a brain), then unless you luck out and find a source of water, of which there are not many, then you are going to be dead in a remarkably short amount of time.

Humanity ain't got nothin' on mother nature.

Curses, I was going to say that.

Right now, standing in my way and pissing me off. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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Well we have the largest incarceration rate (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html) in the world, mus mean there is a lot of crime going on, no?


Not to mention the top in rape cases (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes)


and total crime (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes)



and car thefts (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes)


and assaults (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass-crime-assaults)



A list of other crime stats (http://www.nationmaster.com/red/country/us-united-states/cri-crime&all=1)

America is safe my ass ;)


Are you by chance taking into consideration the population of the US? It's quite a large one at 300 million... not the largest, but larger than many of the countries you're comparing it to.

I live in NYC. There are a few places I'd not want to go, but by and large it's safe.

Well now, how interesting is this.....


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita US not even in top five.
#1 South Africa 1.19538 per 1,000 people
#2 Seychelles 0.788294 per 1,000 people
#3 Australia 0.777999 per 1,000 people
#4 Montserrat 0.749384 per 1,000 people
#5 Canada 0.733089 per 1,000 people


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita US not even in top five.
#1 Dominica 113.822 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark 92.8277 per 1,000 people
l#5 Chile 88.226 per 1,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the_percap-crime-car-thefts-per-capita US not even in top five
#1 Australia 6.92354 per 1,000 people
#2 Denmark 5.92839 per 1,000 people
#3 United Kingdom 5.6054 per 1,000 people
#4 New Zealand 5.45031 per 1,000 people
#5 Norway 5.08143 per 1,000 people
#6 France 4.9713 per 1,000 people
#7 Canada 4.88547 per 1,000 people
#8 Italy 4.19755 per 1,000 people
#9 United States 3.8795 per 1,000 people
#10 Ireland 3.69796 per 1,000 people
#11 Spain 3.33616 per 1,000 people
#12 Finland 3.13823 per 1,000 people
#13 Portugal 2.50123 per 1,000 people
#14 Japan 2.43012 per 1,000 people
#15 Netherlands 2.33559 per 1,000 people
#16 Malaysia 2.33286 per 1,000 people
#17 Czech Republic 2.3278 per 1,000 people
#18 South Africa 2.25426 per 1,000 people
#19 Poland 1.76518 per 1,000 people
#20 Estonia 1.74194 per 1,000 people
#21 Bulgaria 1.51423 per 1,000 people
#22 Mexico 1.49526 per 1,000 people
#23 Lithuania 1.44148 per 1,000 people
#24 Iceland 1.30419 per 1,000 people
#25 Switzerland 1.24836 per 1,000 people
#26 Uruguay 1.19672 per 1,000 people
#27 Slovakia 1.11821 per 1,000 people
#28 Dominica 1.04304 per 1,000 people
#29 Germany 1.00767 per 1,000 people
#30 Hungary 1.0017 per 1,000 people
#31 Greece 0.795463 per 1,000 people
#32 Colombia 0.771407 per 1,000 people
#33 Slovenia 0.702138 per 1,000 people
#34 Costa Rica 0.597361 per 1,000 people
#35 Hong Kong 0.406436 per 1,000 people
#36 Turkey 0.214668 per 1,000 people
#37 Saudi Arabia 0.210955 per 1,000 people
#38 Romania 0.203583 per 1,000 people
#39 Russia 0.182025 per 1,000 people
#40 Moldova 0.174411 per 1,000 people
#41 Belarus 0.166019 per 1,000 people
#42 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 0.148166 per 1,000 people
#43 Papua New Guinea 0.137601 per 1,000 people
#44 Indonesia 0.1201 per 1,000 people
#45 Tunisia 0.116725 per 1,000 people
#46 Zimbabwe 0.110353 per 1,000 people
#47 Jamaica 0.0942982 per 1,000 people
#48 Zambia 0.070325 per 1,000 people
#49 Ukraine 0.0673234 per 1,000 people
#50 Georgia 0.0521702 per 1,000 people
#51 Thailand 0.0510392 per 1,000 people
#52 Yemen 0.0396102 per 1,000 people
#53 Kyrgyzstan 0.0316751 per 1,000 people
#54 Qatar 0.028967 per 1,000 people
#55 Azerbaijan 0.0135238 per 1,000 people


And oh! http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita annd..... prepare yourselves for this.....the US is not even in the top five.

#1 South Africa 12.0752 per 1,000 people
#2 Montserrat 10.2773 per 1,000 people
#3 Mauritius 8.76036 per 1,000 people
#4 Seychelles 8.62196 per 1,000 people
#5 Zimbabwe 7.6525 per 1,000 people

Right now, standing in my way and pissing me off. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

http://www.compumess.nl/daf/smileys/sm1/schrik.gif

My toilet after a heavy beer session topped off with a curry :mad:

North-East Jersey (Camden, Newark) is one of the most dangerous places in America, but I don't know how it compares to other "first-world" nations.

To whoever said New York, it's really not that dangerous anymore. It's not totally safe, but there are many more dangerous places.
Camden IS the most dangerous city in the US, but it's in the south, not north.

Detroit isn't quite so bad these days. Flint, however.......Last crime stats I looked at, Detroit was in the Top 5 for most dangerous cities. It may have even been number 2

Right now, standing in my way and pissing me off. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::fluffle:

Right now, standing in my way and pissing me off. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

*Stands in GNs way and pisses him off*

Last crime stats I looked at, Detroit was in the Top 5 for most dangerous cities. It may have even been number 2

And? It's still not as as bad as it used to be.

http://www.compumess.nl/daf/smileys/sm1/schrik.gif
Yes. http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/in.gif (Not good recently... not good.)
:fluffle:
Thank you.

My brain.

My brain.
You wouldn't want to trade.

The wikipedia opinion on the subject. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Atual_First_World_Map.PNG) You all know what that means with regards to accuracy, but it gives the slow a better idea..


Based off that map I might be inclined to say somewhere in isreal..

they forgot poland!

You wouldn't want to trade.

Well... that all depends...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11873854&postcount=41

Awfully quiet from the "US has the top crime rates" corner....

On a hunting trip with Cheney or in the worse bits of Mexico City. flip a coin

*Stands in GNs way and pisses him off*
No you don't.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/10_1_132.gif

As regards that Wikipedia map, whoever made it up is full of crap, as they don't consider ANY of South America/Austrailia/New Zealand/Japan to be first world. They aren't much of a bigoted racist are they?

You don't know where Australia, NZ or Japan can be found on the map, can you?

Detroit isn't quite so bad these days. Flint, however.......
Last time I stopped by detroit it was still pretty depressing.

Emoland is very dangerous. People keep injuring themselves:p

South Africa is by far the worst. 18,000 murders and 59,000 rapes. :eek:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11873854&postcount=41

Awfully quiet from the "US has the top crime rates" corner....



Sorry I took a nap, and had dinner. I can't spend all my time on here Kat :p


Anyways, yes I suppose a larger population would have increased #s in the stats, but india, a country larger than ours, was lower on the scale in several areas, and they are not even what I classify as a 1st class nation. There is a problem with violence, and crime in America, thats undeniable. Thats what I was pointing out. However, some of that crime could be reduced by throwing out faulty legislation and crap. Even then, I still wouldn't feel too safe walking down a dark ally in NYC vs walking down on in...lets say... Munich.

The CITY of atlanta is like #3 in the U.S. This is largely because the actual city bounds are so tiny, the only things there are businesses, hobos and a couple of ghettos.

The suburbs are just fine, though.

The suburbs... pretty much crime-free, but boring.

Sorry I took a nap, and had dinner. I can't spend all my time on here Kat :p


Anyways, yes I suppose a larger population would have increased #s in the stats, but india, a country larger than ours, was lower on the scale in several areas, and they are not even what I classify as a 1st class nation. There is a problem with violence, and crime in America, thats undeniable. Thats what I was pointing out. However, some of that crime could be reduced by throwing out faulty legislation and crap. Even then, I still wouldn't feel too safe walking down a dark ally in NYC vs walking down on in...lets say... Munich.

Ah, but you've said the USA was #1 in all those categories -- and I see Canada, New Zealand, and Australia, but not the US. ;) And in the area of stolen cars, a lot of very "nice" places came way ahead of the US.

Walking down a dark alley in either city would be foolish.

Last time I stopped by detroit it was still pretty depressing.

It is, but they're making a lot of progress down there. Give Detroit 10 or 15 years and it may be somewhere people will want to live again.

As regards that Wikipedia map, whoever made it up is full of crap, as they don't consider ANY of South America/Austrailia/New Zealand/Japan to be first world. They aren't much of a bigoted racist are they?


Would you be able to explain what that giant land mass in the bottom right that is coloured in blue is if it's not australia?

Camden IS the most dangerous city in the US, but it's in the south, not north.


Hmm... I must be thinking of somewhere else that I decided should be called Camden. But Northern New Jersey is pretty damn depressing, maybe not as dangerous, but depressing.

Sorry I took a nap, and had dinner. I can't spend all my time on here Kat :p


Anyways, yes I suppose a larger population would have increased #s in the stats, but india, a country larger than ours, was lower on the scale in several areas, and they are not even what I classify as a 1st class nation. There is a problem with violence, and crime in America, thats undeniable. Thats what I was pointing out. However, some of that crime could be reduced by throwing out faulty legislation and crap. Even then, I still wouldn't feel too safe walking down a dark ally in NYC vs walking down on in...lets say... Munich.

What makes a country 1st class in your view?

Munich might be statisticly the least safe place in the world for Israeli olympians

thoughts?
I would have thought somewhere in the US. But I'm a European, and I would say that.

camden n.j.

got beat into a coma there..plus it has the highest crime rate in the country..per capita

as an aside...of coarse camden is predominently democrat,as is the state...and no one can have guns..lol...cept the crimminals
not a bash on democrats...but really...how much proof do you need to know gun laws do nothing but make more victims.

chuckie schumer can wail all he wants,but he has security,like hitlery,joe blow does not.

camden is a hell hole of squandered but well intentioned idiotic social exsperiments from the left.
the usual....welfare,gun control,feel good legislation,revolving door kissy huggy justice....dont work,and if you think it does,walk down westville ave around midnight...you will change your tune,if you survive.

the poor suburbs of Paris

The banlieues aren't THAT poor. People there protest because they feel that the rest of France doesn't want to mix with them, mostly because they're of algerian origin. You'd have to see the suburbs of Napoli if you think that the banlieues are a poor suburb!

Anyway, my votes for the most dangerous place in the "first world" (I'll assume western and central Europe, US, Canada, Singapore, Japan, Australia and New Zealand qualify as "first world").

European "first world":
The "Quartieri Spagnoli" and the "Rione Scampìa" in Napoli.

American "first world" (never been outside Europe, so it's a guess, I realise):
Alabama if you're not W.A.S.P. If you are, Detroit.

Asian "first world":
cannot think of a really "dangerous" place, looks like a Switzerland with almond-shaped eyes to me.

Oceanian "first world":
I guess that a "white" would be well advised to avoid the poor ghettoes where aboriginals live.


added:
I forgot S.Korea and Taiwan as Asian first world, but still I can't imagine really dangerous places there.
As for Israel and South Africa, I think they hardly qualify as "first world". Ok, maybe Israel does, but the state of almost-continued war undermines seriously the quality of life, and that's very important to me, even more than GNP per capita.

Interestingly enough I was watching Larry King Live tonight and saw a nice little stat on there; Gang members out number cops by like 20,000. That makes for a safe society? We don't have enough officers to handle all the gang members, let alone enough to handle all the other criminals. Im not saying all this to dis the US, I love my nation, i jsut think tha we can be doing a hell of a better job with protecting our citizens.

I thought it was Algiers, myself. Egh.

The wikipedia opinion on the subject. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Atual_First_World_Map.PNG) You all know what that means with regards to accuracy, but it gives the slow a better idea..
They forgot Greenland. Weird.

The wikipedia opinion on the subject. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Atual_First_World_Map.PNG) You all know what that means with regards to accuracy, but it gives the slow a better idea.
That map is really outdated. Poland should be considered first world.

That map is really outdated. Poland should be considered first world.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/2/-/bush_debate_poland.jpg

That map is really outdated. Poland should be considered first world.

But it's filled with polacks.. :confused:

Came out today (I think):
http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

so St. Louis in America?

Still don't know about the rest of developed countries.

But it's filled with polacks.. :confused:

No, it's filled with pole-ar bears.

camden n.j.

as an aside...of coarse camden is predominently democrat,as is the state...and no one can have guns..lol...cept the crimminals
not a bash on democrats...but really...how much proof do you need to know gun laws do nothing but make more victims.

Guns are a half-assed substitute for a good police force.

Came out today (I think):
http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

so St. Louis in America?

Still don't know about the rest of developed countries.

This really just blow my mind. I am in Stl all the time, and I have NEVER had crime happen to me, or even see it happen. Hell, I stop in E. St louis a lot and nothing ever happens. Its sooooo confusing :(:confused:

This really just blow my mind. I am in Stl all the time, and I have NEVER had crime happen to me, or even see it happen. Hell, I stop in E. St louis a lot and nothing ever happens. Its sooooo confusing :(:confused:

Possible explenation?
"Statistical data for the city of St. Louis are often skewed by the city's status as an independent city, and rankings which compare metropolitan statistical areas may be a better indicator of the region's health and stability."-Wikipedia

Also it seems North St. Louis is the most dangerous part:
"...many northside neighborhoods suffer from poverty, unemployment, crime and dilapidated housing."-Wikipedia

I saw somewhere today that St. Louis is ranked the most dangerous city in the USA. Whether or not that's accurate, I do not know.

Most of you seem to be defining 'danger' as 'crime' or 'violence'.

But tell you what, how about I leave you out in the Simpson desert of Australia in summer with no vehicle (but because I am a kind and loving poster, I will permit you as much food and water as you can carry), and see how many of you make it out alive?

A lot fewer than would make it out alive after walking through your bog-standard western urban ghetto, I'd wager.

Ditto the Canadian or Alaskan Arctic in winter.

South Africa if considered first world is by far the most dangerous nation I have been to. I would walk down the worst street in America naked with $100 bills attached to my body and feel safer than many places in South Africa.

Possible explenation?
"Statistical data for the city of St. Louis are often skewed by the city's status as an independent city, and rankings which compare metropolitan statistical areas may be a better indicator of the region's health and stability."-Wikipedia

Also it seems North St. Louis is the most dangerous part:
"...many northside neighborhoods suffer from poverty, unemployment, crime and dilapidated housing."-Wikipedia

My god haven't you seen the episodes on "COPS". You would think that St' Louis is pure hell.

Or if you ever get lost in North St. Louis...worse than East St. Louis (which is considered a different town.) It just might be.