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Well? Mine is definately Aliens. Alien was cool as well but 3 and Resurrection were boring because the monsters werent really interested at killing Ripley. AvP was interesting as well but not as exciting as Aliens.

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Pertinent question. Kudos, tautology notwithstanding.

I think "Aliens" is my favourite. My least favourite was "Alien 3", hands down.

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Funny you should say that, there was a joke based on that dual-meaning in the film "Aliens" (it was also an in-joke because one of the actresses thought the film was actually about illegal immigrants until she turned up to audition and they told her what it really was. She still got the part of "vasquez" though).

Alien: (Horror) it's a great sci-fi horror movie.

Aliens: (Action) Unlike the first movie, this is an action flick. Marines vs. Aliens.

Alien 3: (Segorney's Revenge) Ms. Weavers attempt to kill the Alien storyline... once and for all.

Alien Resurrection: (testing grounds for Alien vs Preditor) this was actually baised loosely off of the Dark Horse Comics. yes, there was an attempt to weaponize the Alien species, and Yes, Ripley was... cloned (tho she became a synthetic in the comics and she was designed to be the alien's nemises.)

Alien Vs. Preditor: Now this, while a good action flick, does open up the posibilities of more contemporary alien movies. (after all, there is a living, yet frozen, Queen at the bottom of the Antartic Ocean floor...

my rankings from best to worst.

Alien = Aliens

Alien Resurrection

Alien vs Predetor

Alien 3

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I'm gonna tie it to muslim immigrants somewhere around page 10...

my rankings from best to worst.

Alien = Aliens

Alien Resurrection

Alien vs Predetor

Alien 3

I think I'd agree with that.

My favorite used to be Aliens, but in recent years my appreciation for Alien has far surpassed that for Aliens. I hate every other film in that series however.

Well? Mine is definately Aliens. Alien was cool as well but 3 and Resurrection were boring because the monsters werent really interested at killing Ripley. AvP was interesting as well but not as exciting as Aliens.

Although I really liked Alien and consider it the best scary movie EVER, I'd have to go with Aliens. Mostly because it has big explosions and guns and a big queen alien. Alien is really close though.

I think I'd agree with that.

The queen was dumped to space so the beginning was absurd, not to mention annoying after the little girl died just like that after all that trouble in #2.

Alien = Aliens

Alien Resurrection

Alien vs Predetor

Alien 3

Ehh, I'd have to sort of agree, except Alien 3 is above AvP and A:R. The extended edition of Alien 3 is better than the theatre cut though.

The queen was dumped to space so the beginning was absurd, not to mention annoying after the little girl died just like that after all that trouble in #2.

Yeah, they blatantly just couldn't be bothered to expand on any of the characters from Aliens, so they just threw them away and created their own set of nobodies.

Although I really liked Alien and consider it the best scary movie EVER, I'd have to go with Aliens. Mostly because it has big explosions and guns and a big queen alien. Alien is really close though.

I'm actually very hazy about Alien, maybe I should watch it again but the oldness of it might spoil the fun...

Ehh, I'd have to sort of agree, except Alien 3 is above AvP and A:R. The extended edition of Alien 3 is better than the theatre cut though.

... really... the DVD extended version was the only version I saw...

:eek:

Yeah, they blatantly just couldn't be bothered to expand on any of the characters from Aliens, so they just threw them away and created their own set of nobodies.

Ugly inmates dont really fire up much protective instincts, do they, unlike in #1 and #2, you really wanted the characters to survive...

Ugly inmates dont really fire up much protective instincts, do they, unlike in #1 and #2, you really wanted the characters to survive...

It's not that they were ugly, it's just that they were all similar looking - bald heads, prison clothes and they didn't have any character. In Aliens, they made some effort to make one get a feel for what the characters were like - they spent a little time on all of them.

... really... the DVD extended version was the only version I saw...

:eek:

Heh. Maybe it's because I compared it to the theatre version. But if you put aside the obvious flaw of how the queen couldn't have laid eggs there, it's fine. Sort of.

Heh. Maybe it's because I compared it to the theatre version. But if you put aside the obvious flaw of how the queen couldn't have laid eggs there, it's fine. Sort of.

which is why it still ranks below AVP and A:R.

after all, those two had some great action and pretty good dialogue.

I like Aliens the most... nothing beats this:

"Did you see those things man?! We're all gonna die man!" *gets splattered with acidic Alien blood*

Heh. Maybe it's because I compared it to the theatre version. But if you put aside the obvious flaw of how the queen couldn't have laid eggs there, it's fine. Sort of.

Maybe she had one left on her butt. Ripley calling the queen bitch was hilarious as well...

The only part I enjoyed in Alien 3 was when the black guy took on the Alien one-on-one. Sure he lost, but it was still cool.

And I agree, it sucks that they put a lot of work into making the characters survive in Aliens and then just blatantly kill them off at the beginning of the next movie. It seemed like a complete rip-off.

Aliens is very clearly the best, and by a wide margin.

Alien is second

Alien 3 was about as good as alien resurrection

AvP was just a disgrace

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Lawls.

I think it might be Aliens or Aliens III.

AvP wouldn't even make a decent cut scene. I'm surprised there are people who actually enjoyed that movie in any capacity. It's all a matter of taste, I guess, but damn...

Why don't you like AvP?

Aliens.

"Game over man, game over!"

"I say we take off, nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to make sure."

"I only need to know one thing. Where... they... are..."

But, I've come to appreciate Resurrection too. It's good, cheesy action with some nice updated FX and SFX, I quite enjoyed the musical score, and who can't like the theme about motherhood? Good family fun.

Alien was good though, just an entirely different brand of movie - horror.

Alien 3, I prefer not to remember.

Alien and Aliens for me
Alien 3 just need to been caned before it was make it was that shit to me
Aliens: Resurrection was ok better then Alien 3
Aliens vs Praedetor was shit

Why don't you like AvP?

Right now I can only remember the middling things, like why would the cube change every 10 minutes, they wouldn't use our minutes-seems like a coincidence that it happened on a set time that was symetrical with our time. Just putting Lance Hendrickson in the movie doesn't really tie this movie to the series and in fact, the way it was handled, made it just a really silly coincidence. The fights didn't grab me really, and I'll grant that the humans in the movie really didn't have much choice but to be really terrified spectators to the staged fight, they where still not very dimentional or interesting characters.

Now it would be ignoring a bit of the series if I complain about them being archetype characters (I'm a badass spelunker and we're spelunking my way, dammit...) but even in maybe the most actiony of the series with a few strokes they managed to give some of the characters some depth or personality so that when they died you cared, or hell you cared one way or the other. ("Game over, man! Game over!" It's not that he freaked out, it's how he freaked out)

In the same way that Ressurection felt like a slightly brisk walk from one end of the ship to the other, this one felt like a cheap support card on a much cooler match up that we where not going to get to see.

I'll give a caveat to what I just said, because I don't remember the movie that well-I was about to complain about the relative uselessness of puting it in 'our time,' but that might have been the half ass in the attempt to tie Lance into the thing, like he set his company looking for the aliens or something like that. I don't remember that being implied but that might be that I just don't remember that. But why not try and find the Predator aliens as well?

One of the things that I liked about the Predator movies is that they managed to imply a culture that they never explained which allowed the viewer to piece it together on their own, and they might be wrong or whatever, but it was kind of cool. This one spoon fed some stuff and the rest just didn't engage.

And the thing is, that this is really indicative of Paul W.S. Anderson's movies. They flash but the flash is really empty and hard to actually suspend. And the Cage/Sonya scene in Mortal Kombat where he tells her that he's going to fight Gorro or whatever his name is is the worst acted scene this side of a Ed Wood film.

Aliens is very clearly the best, and by a wide margin.

Alien is second

Alien 3 was about as good as alien resurrection

AvP was just a disgrace

I don't know about about "Aliens" being clearly the best. It had far more action, but not nearly the suspense.

The subtlety of Alien, and the fact that you just didn't know what the hell the thing was until half way through was great. They also had far greater character and story development.

However, the plotline of Aliens was quite excellent, and it was very well done. I'd put Alien above Aliens, by a very close margin(I'm partial to suspense over action).

Alien vs Predator would be a distant third. A good romp, and good decent story. Not a bad movie by any means, and had some characters you could care about.

Alien 3 is an even more distant fourth for me. Had a decent enough plotline, and decent enough characters. Good "twist" towards the end, with Ripley being impregnated, as well(Which was forshadowed in the shower scene).

Resurrection an even more distant last. It just didn't seem to be anything more than a poor excuse for blowing stuff up, basically. Not one character in the movie I cared about.

Alien

Aliens

Alien Resurrection

Alien³

Alien Vs. Predator


AVP was PG-13iciously lame.

And the thing is, that this is really indicative of Paul W.S. Anderson's movies. They flash but the flash is really empty and hard to actually suspend. And the Cage/Sonya scene in Mortal Kombat where he tells her that he's going to fight Gorro or whatever his name is is the worst acted scene this side of a Ed Wood film.I'm kinda scared to watch Mortal Kombat these days. I remember as a kid I loved it because it didn't pretend to be anything else but an excuse to watch people beat the crap out of each other for 90 minutes, plus it had freakin' SCORPION in it man! Nowadays I realize that if I were to watch it again, I'd be horribly disillusioned. It'd be like watching some of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turle cartoons again, as I did very foolishly quite recently. Seriously, DO NOT WATCH THE CARTOONS! You'll only get depressed as you'll realize what a stupid child you were to ever find something so blatantly retarded entertaining.

Anyway, Aliens is one of my favourite movies ever. I absolutely adore it. I even made a music video this year for film school using scenes from this most awesome of films and "Came Through Ghosts to Get Here", by 65daysofstatic.

I cant believe you people placing Alien 3 above AvP and Resurrection. Did you forget the stupidity of the beginning of Alien 3?

my rankings from best to worst.

Alien = Aliens

Alien Resurrection

Alien vs Predetor

Alien 3

Agreed

I cant believe you people placing Alien 3 above AvP and Resurrection. Did you forget the stupidity of the beginning of Alien 3?

I really wasn't keen on no.3 at all - bottom of my list!;)

I'm kinda scared to watch Mortal Kombat these days. I remember as a kid I loved it because it didn't pretend to be anything else but an excuse to watch people beat the crap out of each other for 90 minutes, plus it had freakin' SCORPION in it man! Nowadays I realize that if I were to watch it again, I'd be horribly disillusioned. It'd be like watching some of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turle cartoons again, as I did very foolishly quite recently. Seriously, DO NOT WATCH THE CARTOONS! You'll only get depressed as you'll realize what a stupid child you were to ever find something so blatantly retarded entertaining.

Anyway, Aliens is one of my favourite movies ever. I absolutely adore it. I even made a music video this year for film school using scenes from this most awesome of films and "Came Through Ghosts to Get Here", by 65daysofstatic.

I already went through that when I got excited that GI Joe was re-running in Cartoon Network. Ugh...what the hell-apparently I'd watch anything...

Well? Mine is definately Aliens. Alien was cool as well but 3 and Resurrection were boring because the monsters werent really interested at killing Ripley. AvP was interesting as well but not as exciting as Aliens.

In a greater than usual display of computer idiocy, I carefully ticked the wrong box.

Those who wish to review the statistics should, therefore - subtract one from the "Alien: Resurrection" tally, and add it to "Alien 3".

I realise that Alien 3 is the unpopular one of the set... but I personally like it best. The graphics may look dated now, but that is true of almost any movie you are going to pick out of the sci-fi genre, given enough time.

(Except Bladerunner, obviously... which somehow seems to get better looking with age).

As far as I'm concerned, "Aliens" is a waste of film - it totally missed the whole point of the franchise - which was that aliens are scary. It took one of the best sci-fi monsters yet created, and declawed it - turning the whole movie into yet another tribute to how wonderful the US thinks it is at war.

The whole point of the original features was - it doesn't matter how many of you there are, how many guns, how much training you have - the Alien will kill you. Kill you all. Messily. It is a horror concept - it should never have been turned into a 'bug-hunt'.

At least the third film remembered that.

In a greater than usual display of computer idiocy, I carefully ticked the wrong box.

Those who wish to review the statistics should, therefore - subtract one from the "Alien: Resurrection" tally, and add it to "Alien 3".

I realise that Alien 3 is the unpopular one of the set... but I personally like it best. The graphics may look dated now, but that is true of almost any movie you are going to pick out of the sci-fi genre, given enough time.

(Except Bladerunner, obviously... which somehow seems to get better looking with age).

As far as I'm concerned, "Aliens" is a waste of film - it totally missed the whole point of the franchise - which was that aliens are scary. It took one of the best sci-fi monsters yet created, and declawed it - turning the whole movie into yet another tribute to how wonderful the US thinks it is at war.

The whole point of the original features was - it doesn't matter how many of you there are, how many guns, how much training you have - the Alien will kill you. Kill you all. Messily. It is a horror concept - it should never have been turned into a 'bug-hunt'.

At least the third film remembered that.


While I don't entirely agree with you - actually, I think it was great that they tried to do a sequel that WASN'T a rehash of the first film - I agree that 3 gets a worse rep than it deserves. It is a good film, and remarkably stylish.

Still, my vote is for the original, ALIEN. I think it had the best script of the lot, best acting (look at the cast list! John Hurt, Yaphet Kotto...), and, it produced an entirely new way of looking at the spaceship as icon - instead of a bright, shiny Enterprise, we get the grungy, functional Nostromo.

Plus, it popularized HR Giger. Major plus.

I really wasn't keen on no.3 at all - bottom of my list!;)

It still held together better than that fanboy crapola, AvP.

In a greater than usual display of computer idiocy, I carefully ticked the wrong box.

Those who wish to review the statistics should, therefore - subtract one from the "Alien: Resurrection" tally, and add it to "Alien 3".

I realise that Alien 3 is the unpopular one of the set... but I personally like it best. The graphics may look dated now, but that is true of almost any movie you are going to pick out of the sci-fi genre, given enough time.

(Except Bladerunner, obviously... which somehow seems to get better looking with age).

As far as I'm concerned, "Aliens" is a waste of film - it totally missed the whole point of the franchise - which was that aliens are scary. It took one of the best sci-fi monsters yet created, and declawed it - turning the whole movie into yet another tribute to how wonderful the US thinks it is at war.

The whole point of the original features was - it doesn't matter how many of you there are, how many guns, how much training you have - the Alien will kill you. Kill you all. Messily. It is a horror concept - it should never have been turned into a 'bug-hunt'.

At least the third film remembered that.James Cameron specifically didn't want to repeat what had already been done to near perfection in the original, he wanted to take it in an entirely new direction. Personally I think this was the best decision, otherwise we may well have been subjected to endless stupid retreads ala' "Friday the 13th" or "Halloween". There was no "point" to the franchise, each film should be appraised individually. Of course it all comes down to personal taste. Whilst I may defend Cameron's work with the material, I utterly despise what Fincher did, completely disrespecting any character development in the previous film for the sake of endless scenes of grimy hallways and green-filtered bathrooms.

To be fair, Alien 3 hardly had a smooth development, there were dozens of totally different screenplays on offer, Fincher walked off the set following the end of shooting and Weaver went totally gaga with her own nutso ideas. Although I have to admit Chris Cunningham's "dog-alien" design is probably the second-best best looking of the xenomorphs besides Aliens' Queen.

I rate the franchise thusly:

1) Aliens - Thrilled me
2) Alien - Terrified me
3) Alien Ressurection - Entertained me
4) Alien3 - Bored me
5) Alien vs Predator - Horrified me (not in a good way)

I already went through that when I got excited that GI Joe was re-running in Cartoon Network. Ugh...what the hell-apparently I'd watch anything...

Goooo JOE!

It still held together better than that fanboy crapola, AvP.

Nope, I like AvP. Alien 3 sent me to sleep. Neither compare to the glory of the first 2, but then they did have the best directors behind them.

I like the first two a lot, but in my opinion they're really quite different in style.

The way I see it, Alien was meant to be freakishly scary - Aliens, by contrast, was approaching an action movie, but still attempting to continue the horror feel of the first movie as a lesser priority. Alien is probably my favourite out of the two.

I didn't mind Alien 3, but of course it can't really stand up to the first two. I barely remember Alien Resurrection, and AvP was pretty piss-poor.

Nope, I like AvP. Alien 3 sent me to sleep. Neither compare to the glory of the first 2, but then they did have the best directors behind them.

Resurrection was head-and-shoulders above either Alien³ or AvP.

Resurrection was head-and-shoulders above either Alien³ or AvP.

Agreed

Aliens
Alien
Aliens: Resurrection was ok, and better then Alien 3
Aliens vs Predator was indeed shit

While I don't entirely agree with you - actually, I think it was great that they tried to do a sequel that WASN'T a rehash of the first film - I agree that 3 gets a worse rep than it deserves. It is a good film, and remarkably stylish.

Still, my vote is for the original, ALIEN. I think it had the best script of the lot, best acting (look at the cast list! John Hurt, Yaphet Kotto...), and, it produced an entirely new way of looking at the spaceship as icon - instead of a bright, shiny Enterprise, we get the grungy, functional Nostromo.

Plus, it popularized HR Giger. Major plus.

Alien was definitely the most original - obviously. But, for me, a stylish attempt at something a bit different will always triumph over yet another macho-bullshit movie - which is what Cameron 'bravely' decided to make of the Alien franchise fell into his lap.

I definitely think that Fincher came closer to the original 'vision' of the piece and the (original) director - if you look at Alien and compare it to, say, Bladerunner, you see a certain 'vision' common to the director - a kind of gritty dystopian science fiction, heavily influenced by pre-classic architecture... I'm thinking about (for example) the look of the outside of the apartment complex in Bladerunner - kind of Babylonian/Egyptian. David Lynch continued this vision in his vision of Dune, and Fincher revisits the same kind of imagery - think of the design of the foundry and it's corridors, in the closing moments of Alien 3.

On those terms - Fincher continued a legacy that he passes on to further generations... his (continuation of) use of colour and look seems to have been a a heavy influence on the Matrix movies, arguably on the Chronicles of Riddick. On those terms, also - I like the fact that AVP decided to stick with the palette and toolbox of the Alien franchise.

James Cameron specifically didn't want to repeat what had already been done to near perfection in the original, he wanted to take it in an entirely new direction. Personally I think this was the best decision, otherwise we may well have been subjected to endless stupid retreads ala' "Friday the 13th" or "Halloween". There was no "point" to the franchise, each film should be appraised individually. Of course it all comes down to personal taste. Whilst I may defend Cameron's work with the material, I utterly despise what Fincher did, completely disrespecting any character development in the previous film for the sake of endless scenes of grimy hallways and green-filtered bathrooms.


On the contrary - I think Fincher did pursue character development... but he shifted the camera away from Ripley a little, to look at character dynamics on a grander scale... Ripley as affected by/affecting this isolated community of violence... and a study, perhaps, in different TYPES of violence.

Compare the violence inherent in the inmates, with the culture of impersonal violence of the corporation that contains them, compare again with the implacable violence of the Alien. Compare the violence of the rapist, with the far more bloody violence of the 'knight on white horse' that saves her.

I can't defend Cameron's slash at the genre... as a movie in a franchise. I find it too akin to the latter days of the Borg in the Star Trek franchise, when the once 'ultimate' evil had become an almost cartoonishly bumbling adversary to be swept aside. Was that Cameron's decision to make? Probably, yes (always hard to tell exactly who pulls the strings)... but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Don't get me wrong - I still like Aliens... enough to own it. I just don't think it was nearly as good as it's immediate neighbours.

But, at least it was superior to the 'human/alien baby' fiasco of the fourth movie.

I cant believe you people placing Alien 3 above AvP and Resurrection. Did you forget the stupidity of the beginning of Alien 3?

I've tried to suppress all memories of Alien 3 thank you very much.

Alien 5?

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/546775

As much as we critisize aliens after #2, I'm sure all of us will go to see #5....

Alien was the best. By far. What with it being the only one that was at all scary.

After that, we have Resurrection. An excellent parody of all the other films in the franchise. "I'm the monster's mother." I love Ripley.

Aliens beats Aliens 3 for third place based solely on dialogue, though I preferred the look for 3.

AvP was typical hollywood crap. The only way it could have been worse would be to have Adam Sandler in it.

Alien 5?

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/546775

As much as we critisize aliens after #2, I'm sure all of us will go to see #5....

Alien Homeworld?

OMFG!!!

that better be a very cruel joke.

Aliens is very clearly the best in the series; it's more of an action film than the original, which clearly delineated itself as a horror film, but still, in general terms, I consider it a superior film.

Alien Homeworld?

OMFG!!!

that better be a very cruel joke.

I don't know, IF they get the right director, and a solid script, it could be good.

Probably not, though. More likely it'll Superman IV the whole series.

I don't know, IF they get the right director, and a solid script, it could be good.

Probably not, though. More likely it'll Superman IV the whole series.

I thought Alien 3 was the Superman IV of the whole series.


looks like they're following the Dark Horse comic series...

I thought Alien 3 was the Superman IV of the whole series.


looks like they're following the Dark Horse comic series...

Well, they could do worse. Dark Horse had some interesting ideas - better ones than the script writers on 3, 4 and AVP, anyway.

My list:

Aliens,a fun and entertaining sci-fi/action thriller.It gaveyou the scares(somewhat) of the first one and the thrill of an A-class action movie.

Alien:I watched this movie when I was 11 and was haunted by the nightmare of the alien and particullary(excuse my spelling) the chestburster scene.This movie is a great movie and one of the scariestI have ever seen.

Alien Resserection:Though nothing can come close to the first two Alien Resserection does a decent job with the series.A little chessy,but good plot and charecter development.A good movie overall.

Alien 3:Alien 3,to me, is good at its best moments but dreadful in its worst.Unfortunatley there was more of the latter than the former.I enjoyed the concept of the dog alien and that they went back to the plot of one alien.I did not like the blandand flat charecters of the prisoners.They ruined the movie for me.

Avp:http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~djohnso6/poo.gif

Alien 5?

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/546775

As much as we critisize aliens after #2, I'm sure all of us will go to see #5....

Im intrigued in this movie and if its not fake I will go see it and will have an open mind.Well that didnt work out so well with Avp so maybe I will wait for the reviwes.

I thought Alien 3 was the Superman IV of the whole series.


looks like they're following the Dark Horse comic series...

if they are just use a pulse rifle on them

While Alien and Alien3 are equally good; 3 is criminally underrated, and so it gets my vote.
After all, how is having her adopted "family" from Aliens all die in between movies all that different from having her real family (she had a biological daughter) die in between Alien and Aliens?
All three sequels start by setting Ripley up as every bit as much an alien to her fellow "humans" as the xenomorphs, and that is very much the point.

AvP, on the other hand, was just lame. Whatever fucker decided to try and humanize the Predators needs to be shot in the face for ruining a perfectly good monster. The primary point of Alien-Slasher movies is that the monsters are aliens with no common ethical sensibilities or points of reference to human culture.

AvP, on the other hand, was just lame. Whatever fucker decided to try and humanize the Predators needs to be shot in the face for ruining a perfectly good monster. The primary point of Alien-Slasher movies is that the monsters are aliens with no common ethical sensibilities or points of reference to human culture.

that would be the writers for Predator and Predator II. The Preds were HUNTERS. they only hunted one prey at a time, and didn't hunt the unarmed females of the species (Predator) or those pregnant (Predator II) and they had a sense of honor (Both movies) It was just made more obvious in AvP.

While Alien and Alien3 are equally good; 3 is criminally underrated, and so it gets my vote.
After all, how is having her adopted "family" from Aliens all die in between movies all that different from having her real family (she had a biological daughter) die in between Alien and Aliens?
All three sequels start by setting Ripley up as every bit as much an alien to her fellow "humans" as the xenomorphs, and that is very much the point.

AvP, on the other hand, was just lame. Whatever fucker decided to try and humanize the Predators needs to be shot in the face for ruining a perfectly good monster. The primary point of Alien-Slasher movies is that the monsters are aliens with no common ethical sensibilities or points of reference to human culture.

She spent like 60 years sleeping on that pod. That's why her daughter died between #1 and #2. And come on, after all the trouble of saving the little girl in #2, the beginning of #3 was ANNOYING.

that would be the writers for Predator and Predator II. The Preds were HUNTERS. they only hunted one prey at a time, and didn't hunt the unarmed females of the species (Predator) or those pregnant (Predator II) and they had a sense of honor (Both movies) It was just made more obvious in AvP.
A sense of honor, maybe, but the scene where the woman is inducted into its tribe . . .
No, not buying it. The original predator movies managed to keep the creature menacing, but the whole "monster with a heart of gold"-act in AvP just doesn't do it for me.

She spent like 60 years sleeping on that pod. That's why her daughter died between #1 and #2. And come on, after all the trouble of saving the little girl in #2, the beginning of #3 was ANNOYING.
And having her get go through all the effort to get home alive in Alien, only to never have a home to get back to because she spent over a half a century as space debris was annoying.
If you want to blame someone for the begginning of Alien 3, then you need to look at the writers for Alien and Aliens who made Ripley's growing alienation from the people she found herself protecting a theme of the series.

A sense of honor, maybe, but the scene where the woman is inducted into its tribe . . .
No, not buying it. The original predator movies managed to keep the creature menacing, but the whole "monster with a heart of gold"-act in AvP just doesn't do it for me.

the Induction was because she killed an Alien by herself (with the Pred's spear) and thus proved to him/it that she was a Hunter (an equal.)

Same thing happened in the Dark Horse comic of the same name. the main character kills an Alien and was witnessed doing so by one of the Predators, and he/it gave her a clan mark... as well as a spear. the only difference is that the comic ends with another pred team coming for the hunt and she joins in.

the Induction was because she killed an Alien by herself (with the Pred's spear) and thus proved to him/it that she was a Hunter (an equal.)

Same thing happened in the Dark Horse comic of the same name. the main character kills an Alien and was witnessed doing so by one of the Predators, and he/it gave her a clan mark... as well as a spear. the only difference is that the comic ends with another pred team coming for the hunt and she joins in.

Then Praedators will worship Ripley...

And having her get go through all the effort to get home alive in Alien, only to never have a home to get back to because she spent over a half a century as space debris was annoying.
If you want to blame someone for the begginning of Alien 3, then you need to look at the writers for Alien and Aliens who made Ripley's growing alienation from the people she found herself protecting a theme of the series.it was the theme. that's why it was so important at the end of Ressurrection that she ended up back on earth. ;)

oh and the Alienation thing was only due to Alien 3. Aliens made sense to forward the time a bit since she was a floating escape pod in the middle of space.

that made more sense than the mysterious egg(s) that killed Newt and Hicks and impregnates Ripley.

Then Praedators will worship Ripley...

or allow her to join in the hunt.


Ripley... with their armor and weapons... Hmmmm.....

it was the theme. that's why it was so important at the end of Ressurrection that she ended up back on earth. ;)

oh and the Alienation thing was only due to Alien 3. Aliens made sense to forward the time a bit since she was a floating escape pod in the middle of space.

that made more sense than the mysterious egg(s) that killed Newt and Hicks and impregnates Ripley.

When the ship impacted Earth, didnt it cause a huge explosion like a meteorite hitting?

When the ship impacted Earth, didnt it cause a huge explosion like a meteorite hitting?

the station? it would've broken up first. Unless building techniques and materials became so advanced...

remember, there was no control for the station so it would've been torn apart during re-entry.

the Induction was because she killed an Alien by herself (with the Pred's spear) and thus proved to him/it that she was a Hunter (an equal.)

Same thing happened in the Dark Horse comic of the same name. the main character kills an Alien and was witnessed doing so by one of the Predators, and he/it gave her a clan mark... as well as a spear. the only difference is that the comic ends with another pred team coming for the hunt and she joins in.

The end of Predator 2 there was something similar in the way the Predators treated Glover after killing a Predator. Also, there was the fact that they wouldn't kill the pregnant woman, it wasn't a heart of gold situation, it was more of a 'hunter's code.' Ultimately the question is if Aliens and Predators where fighting in your presence, who would you want to win? At least the Predators seem like there is a bit of ability to reason or come to an understanding. Aliens are like roaches that can kill you, burn holes in your floor with their blood, and lay eggs in you that will burst out of your stomach.

This is not to defend the horrible horrible movie that was AvP, though. Sweet crap, how do you fuck up a no-brainer? Ask Paul WS Anderson.

the Induction was because she killed an Alien by herself (with the Pred's spear) and thus proved to him/it that she was a Hunter (an equal.)
It iis the "equal" part that annoyed me: humans are inferior to predators in every conceivable way. We're stupider, weaker, slower, possess less technogolical skill, and we'd probably be pretty damned ugly by their standards.
Its' like some hillbilly handing an assault rifle to a wolf because the wolf managed to kill a deer.

the station? it would've broken up first. Unless building techniques and materials became so advanced...

remember, there was no control for the station so it would've been torn apart during re-entry.

What station? I'm talking about the military ship in Resurrection.

The end of Predator 2 there was something similar in the way the Predators treated Glover after killing a Predator. Also, there was the fact that they wouldn't kill the pregnant woman, it wasn't a heart of gold situation, it was more of a 'hunter's code.' Ultimately the question is if Aliens and Predators where fighting in your presence, who would you want to win? At least the Predators seem like there is a bit of ability to reason or come to an understanding. Aliens are like roaches that can kill you, burn holes in your floor with their blood, and lay eggs in you that will burst out of your stomach.

This is not to defend the horrible horrible movie that was AvP, though. Sweet crap, how do you fuck up a no-brainer? Ask Paul WS Anderson.
I never said it was a "Heart of Gold" reason, just that they had an honor code, or if you will, Hunter's code. same with AvP. Bishop was first spared because he was sick and obviously not in any shape to fight. It was only when he attacked the Pred that it turned around and skewered him.

also with (forgot the name of the black guy in the net) he didn't have to spear him, the net would've killed him anyway.

The second pred didn't attack untill the woman reached for the pick.

and the pred was still going to kill her until she killed the alien.

Oh and not defending AvP either. Usually films made for the sole purpose of pleasing fans end up... well let's just say most fans don't know what they want to watch.

What station? I'm talking about the military ship in Resurrection.

it was a station. a small one conducting research in weaponizing the Alien species. (Trivia) the station shown is actually on it's side. it was originally designed to look like a tall building but they decided it looked better on it's side.

It iis the "equal" part that annoyed me: humans are inferior to predators in every conceivable way. We're stupider, weaker, slower, possess less technogolical skill, and we'd probably be pretty damned ugly by their standards.
Its' like some hillbilly handing an assault rifle to a wolf because the wolf managed to kill a deer.

i like to see that last part happen in a cartoon

It iis the "equal" part that annoyed me: humans are inferior to predators in every conceivable way. We're stupider, weaker, slower, possess less technogolical skill, and we'd probably be pretty damned ugly by their standards.
Its' like some hillbilly handing an assault rifle to a wolf because the wolf managed to kill a deer.more like handling a gorilla a club because it proved itself to be a friendly ally.

He gave her a spear made from the alien's tail and one of the spear shafts taken from a statue. her shield was the alien's carapace.

and notice how he still treated her. he had the sensors to detect the alien and the blaster, yet she went first. ;)

it was a station. a small one conducting research in weaponizing the Alien species. (Trivia) the station shown is actually on it's side. it was originally designed to look like a tall building but they decided it looked better on it's side.

no they say ship in the movie

it was the theme. that's why it was so important at the end of Ressurrection that she ended up back on earth. ;)
I would have prefered Ressurrection if it had ended with Ripley going one way and the humans and android going another. Especially since they spend so much time in Ressurrection emphasizing how Ripley has more in common with the Xenomorphs than she does with the humans.
that made more sense than the mysterious egg(s) that killed Newt and Hicks and impregnates Ripley.
It was the begginning of the movie, in most movies the first 30 minutes or so require you to accept a pretty outrageous set of premises and coincidences.

no they say ship in the movie

Fine, I won't argue... Fucking huge ship. (since the other ship DOCKED inside it.)

It iis the "equal" part that annoyed me: humans are inferior to predators in every conceivable way. We're stupider, weaker, slower, possess less technogolical skill, and we'd probably be pretty damned ugly by their standards.
Its' like some hillbilly handing an assault rifle to a wolf because the wolf managed to kill a deer.

You Praedator supremecist! They fought better because they were more advanced. And they were ugly.

Fine, I won't argue... Fucking huge ship. (since the other ship DOCKED inside it.)

Anyway, what was silly is that after all those years, they still couldnt make an alien blood resistant building meterial...Oh and the hairy back of the captain was more scary than the aliens.

I have to vote "Aliens" though I actually like the third movie a lot. AVP was a major disapointtment, especially because I loved the PC game

more like handling a gorilla a club because it proved itself to be a friendly ally.
Yet another situation that never comes about.

I would have prefered Ressurrection if it had ended with Ripley going one way and the humans and android going another. Especially since they spend so much time in Ressurrection emphasizing how Ripley has more in common with the Xenomorphs than she does with the humans.or better, they alter the course of the ship so it won't land on earth, and it ends with her fighting the last couple aliens to allow the pirates to escape. it ends with her drifting off (and can have the ship landing on the alien homeworld for this supposed Alien 5

It was the begginning of the movie, in most movies the first 30 minutes or so require you to accept a pretty outrageous set of premises and coincidences.that was rather outragous. I would've just had her waking up on the planet and having the Wayland corp sending her there as punnishment for screwing up their chance of getting an alien...

Fine, I won't argue... Fucking huge ship. (since the other ship DOCKED inside it.)

i started to think that was not a ship as i read the thread then i look it up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien:_Resurrection

My favorite used to be Aliens, but in recent years my appreciation for Alien has far surpassed that for Aliens. I hate every other film in that series however.

The redo of Alien was fantastic, where they added in the deleted scenes. They released it in theaters a couple years ago, and made me like Alien almost as much as Aliens.

The redo of Alien was fantastic, where they added in the deleted scenes. They released it in theaters a couple years ago, and made me like Alien almost as much as Aliens.

got that on DVD

Aliens is very clearly the best in the series; it's more of an action film than the original, which clearly delineated itself as a horror film, but still, in general terms, I consider it a superior film.

Sure. If 'action films' are what floats your boat. Personally, most 'action' films leave me intensely unmoved. Aliens is better than most of the genre it is pigeonholed into... but a poor attempt at the franchise it was birthed from.

I would like Alien 5 to start at the exact moment that Resurrection ends, with Ripley and the sec-gen droid looking at Earth. Whent they land, they find the earth has already been 'colonised' by the aliens, so Ripley and pirates turn around and hit the alien homeworld.

And keep Jeunet as the director.