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There's a Black History Month, whish basically seems to celebrate Black History and provide people with knowledge on Black History and experience, so how about we start a White History Month?

As far as I'm aware, it wouldn't be considered "racist" by the law as it's a perfectly legitimate celebration (so long as people like the BNP don't get involved), and I think the fact thet I even have to ask the following question proves it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY...

...What kinds of things are actually a part of White History? I don't mean stuff imported that we then claimed some kinda "ownership" of, I mean stuff White people atcually invented, struggles, etc (but as with the Black History Month events, avoiding negative stuff - it needs to be happy and positive, and not an excuse for racism)?

White History Month is basically the other 11 months of the year already, to be honest.

Well most of the things that involved soley white's would be far back in history. Blacks and Indians fought in the Revolutionary War, so it would have to be farther back then that. I don't really think we need it though.

And the Mexicans and Spaniards definatly don't. I walked into the room the two or three weeks ago when my little sister was watching T.V., and they were talking about "Hispanic History Month" on disney channel. Sorry if I sound racist, but I think it's stupid quiet frankly.

Hey! multi! do you even post in threads you don't start?

If other "races" can have their month, why can't we? It's not racist if they do, so why should it be for us?

How is this for an idea?

Human history month (without reference to race)

:cool: :p ;) :) :gundge:

Really, with $_race history months, I tend to take a stance of "Who the feck cares." I mean, really, $_race history months are pretty dumb, regardless of whatever race/colour they are celebrating. Didn't Martin Luther King, Jr. talk about a "colourless society?" You won't achieve such a society if you're promoting races.

How is this for an idea?

Human history month (without reference to race)

:cool: :p ;) :) :gundge:

That's called History Class. And I'm sure some people wouldn't mind it only lasting a month. :D

How is this for an idea?

Human history month (without reference to race)

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That's called History Class. And I'm sure some people wouldn't mind it only lasting a month. :D

What's wrong with history class anyway? It's interesting, especially when you're NOT learning about colonial America.

I want a New Jersey history month. Everyone should learn about the great Garden State.

I want a New Jersey history month. Everyone should learn about the great Garden State.

there is nothing great about suburbia.

I'd rather have a Socialist month so people learn that socialism is actually NOT evil.

I agree with Bill Cosby on this one 100%:

"We don't need a Black History month, we need a Human History month" (or something along those lines).

I get hassled enough by surly fundraising types armed with 'Black History Month' crap-in-hand outside of subway stations - why would I want to be subjected to twice the misery... and, most importantly:

Where, on a map, is "Whiteland" - and why do all the people from there seem so effing whiney about being... well about being from there and all?

I agree with Bill Cosby on this one 100%:

"We don't need a Black History month, we need a Human History month" (or something along those lines).

thats called history class. and if you just count the time you actually have it, it actually lasts a month.

no thanks, not interested. but knock yourself out. whatever you want to do is fine by me.

multiland i thought you were british. is there really a black history month in the UK? what does it cover?

thats called history class. and if you just count the time you actually have it, it actually lasts a month.

What he was basically saying is that they need to eliminate black history month altogether.

I'm pretty sure MLK didn't want a Black History month. But, when Bill Cosby said it, he was bashed by so many black people.

I cant see where anything would be gained by white folk by having a white history month. I also cant see where all races would benefit fron having a white history month. I can certainly see where a lot of people would have hurt feelings or worse over it. I would even go so far as to say that we might lose some ground in tolerance and good will between the races if we enacted a white history month. I could be wrong I suppose, I felt the same way about the black businessmen's association and it gets publicly applauded regularly.

im a strong beliver in freedom of speach. if black people are allowed black pride, then white people should be alowed white pride. as i say, im not a racist, but like the black man is proud of being black, im proud of being white. and im all for white history month. white people have achieved so much so this should recognised.

there is nothing great about suburbia.

NJ isn't just suburbia. It's got revolutionary war battlefields, Thomas Edison's work was done here, Famous crimes like the Lindburgh baby kidnapping, and other historic events. It's also the most densely populated state in the USA yet it contains some nice wilderness areas. NJ kicks ass.

NJ isn't just suburbia. It's got revolutionary war battlefields, Thomas Edison's work was done here, Famous crimes like the Lindburgh baby kidnapping, and other historic events. It's also the most densely populated state in the USA yet it contains some nice wilderness areas. NJ kicks ass.

Also the home of 2/3 of New York's football teams isnt it?.

White History Month is basically the other 11 months of the year already, to be honest.

I personally think that having black history month reflects positively on several of my ancestors.

Edmund Pike, Aleksander Beppler, Thomas Jakob Lahmers and several others all donned the blue uniforms and fought so that Blacks wouldn't be held under the boot heel of slavery (and to preserve the Union). That we could have gotten to the point where we have a black history month honors their sacrifices, and shows that we're doing things the way they'd have had them done.

I personally think that having black history month reflects positively on several of my ancestors.

Edmund Pike, Aleksander Beppler, Thomas Jakob Lahmers and several others all donned the blue uniforms and fought so that Blacks wouldn't be held under the boot heel of slavery (and to preserve the Union). That we could have gotten to the point where we have a black history month honors their sacrifices, and shows that we're doing things the way they'd have had them done.
Fair enough, I was merely pointing out that for most of the time, people learn about white people in history lessons.

White History Month is basically the other 11 months of the year already, to be honest.
Indeed. "White History Month" isn't really racist, just unnecessary.

Indeed. "White History Month" isn't really racist, just unnecessary.
Correct.

Fair enough, I was merely pointing out that for most of the time, people learn about white people in history lessons.

Aye, perfectly understandable. I was agreeing, and adding an addendum onto what you said.

Aye, perfectly understandable. I was agreeing, and adding an addendum onto what you said.
Oh, fair enough. Well... urmm... hurrah for Black History Month!

We should also have "Native History Month" in the US and Irish History Month in the UK" for a different perspective on things, perhaps.

Also the home of 2/3 of New York's football teams isnt it?.

That one has always baffled me.

Oh, fair enough. Well... urmm... hurrah for Black History Month!

We should also have "Native History Month" in the US and "Irish History Month" in the UK for a different perspective on things, perhaps.
definitely, too many Britons are ignorant of their country's historical relationship with Ireland.

Just to let you guys know:

Hispanic History Month - September 15th - October 15th (I think)
Native American History Month - November

That's all I really know about. For some reason, they don't get as much publicity...

NJ isn't just suburbia. It's got revolutionary war battlefields, Thomas Edison's work was done here, Famous crimes like the Lindburgh baby kidnapping, and other historic events. It's also the most densely populated state in the USA yet it contains some nice wilderness areas. NJ kicks ass.

NJ is suburbia. its just NY's bedroom.

NJ is suburbia. its just NY's bedroom.

dirty backyard rather...
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NJ is suburbia. its just NY's bedroom.

lol, it's so true. I think New Jersey might as well annex into New York.

definitely, too many Britons are ignorant of their country's historical relationship with Ireland.
Agreed, although we've had our good times too.

NJ is suburbia. its just NY's bedroom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey#Geography

Yeah we've got suburbs, but that's not all there is to the state. You're just ignorant about NJ and probably feeling jealous that you don't live in such a fantastic place. I pity people like you who aren't good enough to live in the Great Garden State.

im a strong beliver in freedom of speach. if black people are allowed black pride, then white people should be alowed white pride. as i say, im not a racist, but like the black man is proud of being black, im proud of being white. and im all for white history month. white people have achieved so much so this should recognised.

If you live in a country where white people are (or have been) stigmatised based on their race then a 'White Pride' event would be a good idea. If you don't then what's the point?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey#Geography

Yeah we've got suburbs, but that's not all there is to the state. You're just ignorant about NJ and probably feeling jealous that you don't live in such a fantastic place. I pity people like you who aren't good enough to live in the Great Garden State.New Jersey sucks. :D

But I'm just a biased New Yorker, so...

Did whites become a minority whose culture and history is threatened suddenly? Did I miss something? Were whites enslaved by Western Civilization on the basis of their being white? Was it taught for centuries that white people were inferior, even less-than-human?

It's not about "oh, if there's black history, there should be white history too! LOL EQUALITY" There's a POINT to having black history month, a point which seems utterly lost on most people here.

Did whites become a minority whose culture and history is threatened suddenly? Did I miss something? Were whites enslaved by Western Civilization on the basis of their being white? Was it taught for centuries that white people were inferior, even less-than-human?

It's not about "oh, if there's black history, there should be white history too! LOL EQUALITY" There's a POINT to having black history month, a point which seems utterly lost on most people here.

Well, you are VERY ignorant, my friend, about history.

Whites were enslaved WAAAY before black people.

What's wrong with history class anyway? It's interesting, especially when you're NOT learning about colonial America.

Oh, I love history. And I find colonial America also interesting.

It's not about "oh, if there's black history, there should be white history too! LOL EQUALITY" There's a POINT to having black history month, a point which seems utterly lost on most people here.

Okay? There shouldn't be ANY $_race history months, as such betrays a the idea of a colourless society, and inadvertently marginalizes the community as a whole. There was a point to Stalin's pruges, too. THe fact that it isn't pointless doesn't make it right.

New Jersey sucks. :D

But I'm just a biased New Yorker, so...

This is exactly why we need a New Jersey history month. To educate the ignorant on how superior New Jersey and it's residents are to every other place and population on earth.

This is exactly why we need a New Jersey history month. To educate the ignorant on how superior New Jersey and it's residents are to every other place and population on earth.

lol, if you get a NJ history month, all the other states would want one, too!

lol, if you get a NJ history month, all the other states would want one, too!

Well they don't deserve one. NJ is the only state that really matters.

lol, you sound just like my science teacher from New Jersey. I wonder if you all think like that...?

Okay? There shouldn't be ANY $_race history months, as such betrays a the idea of a colourless society,

Har. I'm not a fan of "race," but we don't HAVE a colourless society.

and inadvertently marginalizes the community as a whole.

How so?

There was a point to Stalin's pruges, too. THe fact that it isn't pointless doesn't make it right.

Oh please. Stalin's purges killed tens of millions of innocent people. How much mass murder has black history month lead to?

My point was not that HAVING a point automatically makes something 'right.' But ignoring the point, which is what many have done, is just plain ignorant.

I'd rather have a Socialist month so people learn that socialism is actually NOT evil.

Well, that's stupid. Socialism is evil. :D :p

I lived in New Jersey the first 11 years of my life. It sucks.

Oh please. Stalin's purges killed tens of millions of innocent people. How much mass murder has black history month lead to?

Every hear of those stupid riots?

Well, that's stupid. New Jersey is evil. :D :p

Fixed.

Every hear of those stupid riots?

riot =/= state-sponsored genocide

Not even close.

Did I miss something? Were whites enslaved by Western Civilization on the basis of their being white?


Actually, White folks have been enslaved repeatedly throughout history. Not so much in North America, but in Europe it happened quite often. The Greeks, the Romans, the Turks, Feudalism, the Nazis, the Soviet System, all enslaved white folks. That quite often the enslavers were also white is of little consequence.

As I've said, this doesn't excuse what whitey did to black people, but, just keep your facts straight. There's no universal victim, and there's no universal bad guy.

What about a multicoloured history month? Celebrating the long history of our beloved clowns.

Har. I'm not a fan of "race," but we don't HAVE a colourless society.

How so?

No, we don't, but promoting the races only hurts the path to a colourless society.

I would rather see this:

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$famous_act

Oh, yeah, he was black, too.

Than this:

ZOMG THIS PERSON WAS BLACK!!!!!!!!!!

And he did $famous_act

That's my problem with $_race history months.

Oh please. Stalin's purges killed tens of millions of innocent people. How much mass murder has black history month lead to?

My point was not that HAVING a point automatically makes something 'right.' But ignoring the point, which is what many have done, is just plain ignorant.

Oh, whoops, my bad. :D

I lived in New Jersey the first 11 years of my life. It sucks.

Why did we kick you out?

riot =/= state-sponsored genocide

Not even close.

Are you joking? LOL

I bet you're a 13 year old who thinks Bush controls everybody's minds using mind control.

That is, unless I understood you wrong.

Why did we kick you out?

Because Tom Clancy can predict the future.

Why did we kick you out?Because I wouldn't go along with your propaganda. Damn you New Jersey, damn you!

I don't know, don't whites get the other 11 months?

I mean, pretty much every history class and literature class up until college all focus on the personalities, culture, and history of white Europeans and Americans. I can't honestly think of a sub-collegiate class that didn't have a white, Western focus to its curriculum.

No, we don't, but promoting the races only hurts the path to a colourless society.

I would rather see this:



Than this:



That's my problem with $_race history months.

I can agree with that.

Are you joking? LOL

I bet you're a 13 year old who thinks Bush controls everybody's minds using mind control.

That is, unless I understood you wrong.

Erm. I'm 26, and I think the only one under mind control here may be you.

I can agree with that.

Fair enough. :)



Erm. I'm 26, and I think the only one under mind control here may be you.

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Every hear of those stupid riots?

there were black history month riots??!!

White History Month is basically the other 11 months of the year already, to be honest.

True.

no thanks, not interested. but knock yourself out. whatever you want to do is fine by me.

multiland i thought you were british. is there really a black history month in the UK? what does it cover?

yep, I'm British, specifically from England in Britain and usually refer to meself as English. There is a black history month, and officially it appears to involve what I wrote in the first thread, but it also has "black" music (that's in speech marks because Africans and Jamaicans aren't the only black people in the world) and "black" food.

I cant see where anything would be gained by white folk by having a white history month. I also cant see where all races would benefit fron having a white history month. I can certainly see where a lot of people would have hurt feelings or worse over it. I would even go so far as to say that we might lose some ground in tolerance and good will between the races if we enacted a white history month. I could be wrong I suppose, I felt the same way about the black businessmen's association and it gets publicly applauded regularly.


I have hurt feelings over Black History Month. It feels like an exclusion thing - "we're black, so only we should be entitled to this month". It actually annoys me, but I wouldn't feel so bad if there was either a White History Month, or a General History Month to replace the two (different from boring history class, just all the good stuff).

I personally think that having black history month reflects positively on several of my ancestors.

Edmund Pike, Aleksander Beppler, Thomas Jakob Lahmers and several others all donned the blue uniforms and fought so that Blacks wouldn't be held under the boot heel of slavery (and to preserve the Union). That we could have gotten to the point where we have a black history month honors their sacrifices, and shows that we're doing things the way they'd have had them done.

Which would be fine by me - if there was a White History Month to reflect positively on several of my ancestors, and the fact I can name just about zero (not because they don't exist, but through lack of education, combined with "whites are bad" type education) shows one is needed. Sure whites have been abusive in history. So have blacks. Both have also positive sections of history.

If you live in a country where white people are (or have been) stigmatised based on their race then a 'White Pride' event would be a good idea. If you don't then what's the point?

The point is for education and information. Ask any white person what white people did in history. They'll almost certainly almost always come up woth "owned slaves" or something else negative. White History Month is NEEDED.

I think calling it "White Pride" rather than "White History Month" gives too many connotations of racism, especially to those who want to use the event as a tool to spread racism.

Well, you are VERY ignorant, my friend, about history.

Whites were enslaved WAAAY before black people.

SEE?! I didn't even know that! We need White History Month.

re: white history

All I learned was a lot of stuff about bad acts comitted by white people (slavery etc.) and a little bit about Shakespeare, and that's about it, during history classes.

re: white history

All I learned was a lot of stuff about bad acts comitted by white people (slavery etc.) and a little bit about Shakespeare, and that's about it, during history classes.

You shouldn't have slept through the invention of things like the cotton gin, assembly line, the renaissance, the founding of the nation, etc etc etc etc etc...or, more likely, you should stop making up bullshit to support your bullshit point.

I lived in New Jersey the first 11 years of my life. It sucks.
I already knew that New Jersey sucked.

Better idea: Jew History Month!

One problem. Black History Month works because black people are all the same. White people on the other hand, come from several unique cultures and warred with each other throughout most of history.

One problem. Black History Month works because black people are all the same. White people on the other hand, come from several unique cultures and warred with each other throughout most of history.
Umm... black people warred with each other plenty, if not more. Tribal warfare, baby.

You shouldn't have slept through the invention of things like the cotton gin, assembly line, the renaissance, the founding of the nation, etc etc etc etc etc...or, more likely, you should stop making up bullshit to support your bullshit point.

You should stop making false accusations, they can land you in trouble. I told the truth. The Assembly Line I learned a tiny bit about RECENTLY from TV, but the rest I would have to research to find out about

I personally think you're racist (whatever your colour) and just don't want white people to celebrate their history, evidenced by your calling my reasoned (as evidenced by the lack of other people calling it bullshit) point "bullshit".

Umm... black people warred with each other plenty, if not more. Tribal warfare, baby.

O RLY?

One problem. Black History Month works because black people are all the same. White people on the other hand, come from several unique cultures and warred with each other throughout most of history.

Erm I think a lot of Black People may take issue with you there. They're not all the same - Africans, Jamaicans, Indians, etc, are very different people.

You should stop making false accusations, they can land you in trouble. I told the truth. The Assembly Line I learned a tiny bit about RECENTLY from TV, but the rest I would have to research to find out about

I personally think you're racist (whatever your colour) and just don't want white people to celebrate their history, evidenced by your calling my reasoned (as evidenced by the lack of other people calling it bullshit) point "bullshit".
So your seriously saying that you just found out about the assembly line and are not taught anything about things like the renaissance or founding of the nation? Are you being taught by a homeless guy in a box? Maybe you should take the bus to school instead...

So your seriously saying that you just found out about the assembly line and are not taught anything about things like the renaissance or founding of the nation? Are you being taught by a homeless guy in a box? Maybe you should take the bus to school instead...

You can't win something so you start slingin snyde remarks... clever. I see no point in conversing with you, or considering your apparent hatred of white people, I see no point in you posting on this thread, as it seems to be a waste of yours and others' time.

You can't win something so you start slingin snyde remarks... clever. I see no point in conversing with you, or considering your apparent hatred of white people, I see no point in you posting on this thread, as it seems to be a waste of yours and others' time.

Wow...you've got to be a puppet...

Your education as you describe it is comicly unlikely, given things like this random sample of a history curriculum (http://www.mcps.k12.md.us/curriculum/socialstd/American_bookmarks.html)...

One problem. Black History Month works because black people are all the same. White people on the other hand, come from several unique cultures and warred with each other throughout most of history.

Not really. This is an example (unless you were being sarcastic) of how little occidental people (people of the western world?) know about other cultures. Not only black people in different continents (like Jamaica and Africa, like other poster pointed out) have different cultures, but there are (and were a lot more) countless different cultures inside Africa.

So, as a complete outsider (I'm Argentinian) I have to ask, what does Black History month entails, exactly?

hele.
(Hi!, newby jumping in the discussion here)

If other "races" can have their month, why can't we? It's not racist if they do, so why should it be for us?
I suspect the reason is similar to the reason why we have things such as blind week but dont have 'perfectly able-bodied week'....

Now personally I dont know that black month is or is not necessary, but I'm fairly convinced that in nations where the majority of folk actually are pale of hue, white month is surplus to utility.

Indeed. "White History Month" isn't really racist, just unnecessary.
Exactly, I can see the point of it in say Kenya, but not UK, USA, Australia, the Netherlands, etc...

Personally I dont know that 'black month' is necessary or sufficient to whatever its purpose is (and I admit I'm unclear on that), so I expect following what is probably unnecessary and insufficient with stuff that's even more unnecessary and even less sufficient is just asking to be laughed at by any and every alien species capable of comprehending just how ridiculous we humans are.

No, we don't, but promoting the races only hurts the path to a colourless society.
Colourless society? Mmmm, sounds rather dull.