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Fascism has been a pervasive, omni-present force throughout the entirety of the 20th century. It insidiously crept up on weak nations and ensnared them with its promises of strength, power, and might. Nazi Germany fell to this evil ideology -- through his convincing locution, Hitler was able to trick the German people into accepting his extremist views. He was able to resurrect Germany to its former military might through his nationalistic policies. Yet in the face of the inexorable spread of fascism, many countries did nothing. The prevalent policy of appeasement in Europe smothered any attempt at more forceful action against Germany until it was too late. A shining beacon to the values of freedom, liberty, and justice at the time was Churchill -- he recognized the threat posed by Germany and spoke out against it. He expounded upon plans for dealing with Germany for once and for all. Yet he was ridiculed -- the peace-loving population paid him no mind and continued living in their naive fantasy worlds. Well, their bubble was soon to be burst. European nations fell, one after the other, against the onslaught of German troops. The free world was almost doomed because they did not heed the far-sighted warnings of Churchill.

Well, the same thing is happening today. There is among us a prophet whose crystal-clear vision of the future should be a model all of us should learn from and follow, but he is ridiculed for his views. This man points to the rise of fascism, yet he is scoffed at for his premonitions. He details how more and more nations are getting trapped into the inescapable treachery of fascism, and the world is silent. Once again, the world will not notice until it is too late. One would think that 9/11 would be a sufficient catalyst to force the West into action, but it was not. Fascism mounts in Arab countries, terrorist organizations are stepping up their attacks against the civilized world, and people still fail to realize the danger. Democrats in the US propose cutting and running from Iraq and allowing the country to descend into unabated warfare and, inevitably, Islamo-fascism, that poisonous ideology which has already claimed so many countries. All I can tell you is that you'll rue that day that you didn't listen to Bush; the day that you voted the Democrats into office. When European nations once against start falling before the scythe of Islamo-fascism, you'll be on your knees praying Bush to save you, just like the British were on their knees praying to Churchill to save them. Already freedoms are being restricted in Europe under the guise of "tolerance" -- how much longer under Europe is completely obscured under the shroud of militant Islam? I'd rather not wait around to see, and neither should you. Do not let history repeat itself -- support Bush, the modern-day Churchill. Remember the immortal words of Churchill and apply them to the current situation -- otherwise, there may be no reprieve.

I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government: 'I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.' We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.

You can do better.

you'll be on your knees praying Bush to save you

No we won't, cos he can only serve two terms.

I really, really get annoyed when people compare Iraq/Afghanistan to WWII...

You can do better.

You can do better than just mindlessly spamming and argue your point if you don't agree with what I posted. Do you believe my logic is flawed, somehow? If so, explain.

No we won't, cos he can only serve two terms.I wouldn't mind Bush kneeling...

Hey! I'm Easy... .,.. easy as a sunday mo-o-oo-oorning.

I really, really get annoyed when people compare Iraq/Afghanistan to WWII...

Make no mistake -- it is a struggle for our very survival. European countries are not faring so well as they are being held hostage by extremist Muslims. We must not allow the same fate to befall the US.

Make no mistake -- it is a struggle for our very survival. European countries are not faring so well as they are being held hostage by extremist Muslims. We must not allow the same fate to befall the US.

You've now 'Ny Nordlanded' yourself. This thread is over.

You've now 'Ny Nordlanded' yourself. This thread is over.

Did you see what happened in Holland? Two students were told to remove the Dutch flag from their backpacks because it offended some Muslim students. That's insane!

sometimes i wonder why you were not on the "what is the greatest evil" poll.

sometimes i wonder why you were not on the "what is the greatest evil" poll.

I can only hope that the poll included Islamo-fascism.

Make no mistake -- it is a struggle for our very survival. European countries are not faring so well as they are being held hostage by extremist Muslims. We must not allow the same fate to befall the US.

I suppose I can see Muslim armies marching on Europe. Oh, wait! I don't.

Make no mistake -- it is a struggle for our very survival.
No, its not.

European countries are not faring so well as they are being held hostage by extremist Muslims. We must not allow the same fate to befall the US.

I fail to see how all of europe is being held hostage, especially seeing how Britain has cracked down on its jihadist clerics/mosques and foiled a major terrorist plot. Every european government has implemented anti-terror programs within their country, just because their not wading through the Iraq quagmire like idiots doesn't mean their controlled by jihadists.

I suppose I can see Muslim armies marching on Europe. Oh, wait! I don't.

The Muslim armies of which you speak are invading in the form of Muslim immigrants who refuse to be assimilated into society.

Did you see what happened in Holland? Two students were told to remove the Dutch flag from their backpacks because it offended some Muslim students. That's insane!

Oh I remember that story ... but from what I remember there were no muslem students involved

I suppose I can see Muslim armies marching on Europe. Oh, wait! I don't.

His point is ideological. Muslims are often making unreasonable demands that breach freedom of speech etc for instance the pins mentioned and the vilonet response to the cartoons.

The Muslim armies of which you speak are invading in the form of Muslim immigrants who refuse to be assimilated into society.

Europeans aren't supposed to care. Multiculturalism and all that.

The Muslim armies of which you speak are invading in the form of Muslim immigrants who refuse to be assimilated into society.

Oh god, not the "immigrants are an organized occupation force" conspiracy theory.

Bad News:
Bush is a facist

Good News:
Bush will not be president shortly, and can never be president ever again. Ever.

Even better News:
If Bush so much as mumbles "I plan to stay in office past my term" in his sleep roughly %60 of the country will instantly riot and he will be forced from office.

Not so great News:
I cant find a sock. Its bloody annoying.

Oh god, not the "immigrants are an organized occupation force" conspiracy theory.

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I can only hope that the poll included Islamo-fascism.

You do realize that many of the problems involved with "Islamo-fascists" was a direct result of western involvement in earlier years?

And also, the "threats" we face today are far, far, FAR less great than ones of the past.

9/11 wasn't even a blip on the overall scheme of things. It barely did anything, whatsoever, accept make many in our nation so afraid so as to give up many rights granted them, willingly.

Listen to me closely: The terrorists are winning. We are slowly crumbling from the inside. They did exactly what they wanted: They made people so afraid of them that we are now allowing our nation to crumble. All Bush and Neo-cons are doing is supporting that fear, and allowing our nation to crumble. These terrorists cannot destroy us directly. Get that through your head. Plain and simple. No attack will ever harm our "way of life" in the most direct fassion. These people do not wish to conquer us. They do not wish to control us. They cannot destroy us. We can. And we are.

Period.

Fascism has been a pervasive, omni-present force throughout the entirety of the 20th century. It insidiously crept up on weak nations and ensnared them with its promises of strength, power, and might.

I would find it odd that you imply any of this is a BAD thing - considering your own pro-fascist, pro-nationalist, bigoted ideology.

I mean, I would find it odd if I didn't know your main point was to troll for attention. In light of that motive, your post makes perfect sense.


Well, the same thing is happening today. There is among us a prophet whose crystal-clear vision of the future should be a model all of us should learn from and follow, but he is ridiculed for his views. This man points to the rise of fascism, yet he is scoffed at for his premonitions. He details how more and more nations are getting trapped into the inescapable treachery of fascism, and the world is silent.

Oh, you mean Great Leader Bush? Ah yes. Again, it's ironic that you pay lip service to the idea that fascist leaders are a bad thing, while sucking hard on the penis of the USA's closest thing we have to one.

Democrats in the US propose cutting and running from Iraq and allowing the country to descend into unabated warfare and, inevitably, Islamo-fascism, that poisonous ideology which has already claimed so many countries

Use of the phrase "cut and run" shows you're just a partisan hack. But again - partisan bullshit sells, and gets attention, hence why you support it with all your little trollish might.

All I can tell you is that you'll rue that day that you didn't listen to Bush; the day that you voted the Democrats into office. When European nations once against start falling before the scythe of Islamo-fascism, you'll be on your knees praying Bush to save you

Similar to the Christian fundamentalist masturbation fantasy about how "all knees will bend to Jesus," only instead of Jesus, you have your "prophet" Bush.

It's funny that you whinge about your "logic," when the only thing you have to offer is mindless propaganda.

Already freedoms are being restricted in Europe under the guise of "tolerance"

..and you would prefer that freedoms are being restricted under the guise of "security."

Yawn. Get a new topic. I know, how about another pro-slavery thread? Cuz ya know, no one believes an authoritarian troll who's bitching about authoritarian idealogies. It smacks of hypocrisy. But hey, whatever works, right my little friend?

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Oh god, not the "immigrants are an organized occupation force" conspiracy theory.

I suppose the riots in France was a terrorist test run? :p

You can do better than just mindlessly spamming and argue your point if you don't agree with what I posted. Do you believe my logic is flawed, somehow? If so, explain.
I could, but I can't be arsed to...

"Fascism has been a pervasive, omni-present force throughout the entirety of the 20th century"

No, It certainly hasn't been, you Tit!

Europeans aren't supposed to care. Multiculturalism and all that.

Multi-culturalism is OK, but when Muslims riot when newpapers exercise their freedom of speech and kill people because of it, that's going to far. When national flags must be hidden because they offend Muslims, that's outrageous. If the US flag was banned at a school because some Muslim students were offended by it, I would hope that those students would be given a pounding and told to "love it or leave it."

The Muslim armies of which you speak are invading in the form of Muslim immigrants who refuse to be assimilated into society.

"Assimilate" how, exactly? Our society is a melting pot, and I mean that almost literally. We are a nation of people from many different cultures, whom applied their culture to the environment. Within American culture, there is also numerous sub-cultures. These sub-cultures are very different, no two alike. There are similarities, but there are far more differences. Part has to do with environment, and an even larger part has to do with whom settled the given area. And in many cases, several cultures mixed in a single area, creating a new sub culture of American culture. And over time, the Muslim immigrants will not "assimilate", for nobody has assimilate, as there is NOTHING to assimilate to in America. Instead, they will likely adapt over the years to the subculture, taking on certain aspects and incorporating them over the years. However, this is not a one way door, as you see, they will also change the sub-culture of the area from which they emmigrate to.

From your posts, I get the idea that one of two things is true:

A)You live in an isolated sub culture, with no contact with the "outside" world, physically and personally, and that you have no education above basic(if even) high school.

B)You are a troll who has no better things to do with his hopelessly pathetic life than to try and make people angry.

Oh god, not the "immigrants are an organized occupation force" conspiracy theory.

I don't think that he's suggesting that Muslims are intentionally trying to overthow & occupy Europe, but at the same their influnce is causing certian political dangers it is aruguable

"Assimilate" how, exactly? Our society is a melting pot, and I mean that almost literally. We are a nation of people from many different cultures, whom applied their culture to the environment.

He's talking about European states.

As a serious reply to your post, the US republican party is far more fascist then the mid-east.
Comparison:
The repubs are trying to take away our civil libertys to defend against the terrorists.
The terrorists are trying to get US troops out of the arab penninsula.
Which sounds more reasonable there?
The terrorists.
Says something, doesn't it?
Granted, the terrorists ARE accomplishing their goal by blowing stuff up whereas the republicans are trying for theirs by passing laws, but that comparison also applys to the american revolution. Why do you hate America?
See, we can do it too. :p

"Assimilate" how, exactly?

Muslim women can, for example, wear wacky outfits if they wish. However, they must also respect the laws of our country, like freedom of speech. They must conform to what the laws of polite society are. They must learn English.

Multi-culturalism is OK, but when Muslims riot when newpapers exercise their freedom of speech and kill people because of it, that's going to far. When national flags must be hidden because they offend Muslims, that's outrageous. If the US flag was banned at a school because some Muslim students were offended by it, I would hope that those students would be given a pounding and told to "love it or leave it."

1. Not all Muslims killed each people, it was an amazingly low minority. Many probably were pissed, but think of it like this:

If someone made a picture of Jesus covered in cow droppings and said "Christian are full of shit" would you be pissed? Absolutely. Same thing hear. Most of those pissed didn't go to the extreme,

2. As stated before, no actual Muslims were involved with the whole flag banning thing. It was likely just a bunch of people getting way to worked up that it might cause a problem, not Muslims themselves.

I don't think that he's suggesting that Muslims are intentionally trying to overthow & occupy Europe, but at the same their influnce is causing certian political dangers it is aruguable

He made a direct comparison between immigrants and an invading army.

I don't think that he's suggesting that Muslims are intentionally trying to overthow & occupy Europe, but at the same their influnce is causing certian political dangers it is aruguable

You sound suspisiously like a puppet.

He said that these immigrants are as much of a threat to their survival as WWII was. Sounds pretty clear what he means. That they will occupy their countries as the aggressors did in WWII.

1. Not all Muslims killed each people, it was an amazingly low minority.

Few killed, but many protested. Did you see wide-spread Israeli and Jewish protests in response to the inflammatory anti-Semitic cartoon contest sponsored by Iran? Of course not -- other religions respect freedom of speech and do not burn embassies when they encounter something they do not like.

If someone made a picture of Jesus covered in cow droppings and said "Christian are full of shit" would you be pissed?

No.

Multi-culturalism is OK, but when Muslims riot when newpapers exercise their freedom of speech and kill people because of it, that's going to far. When national flags must be hidden because they offend Muslims, that's outrageous. If the US flag was banned at a school because some Muslim students were offended by it, I would hope that those students would be given a pounding and told to "love it or leave it."

A small rant about European flags:
European flags are associated with neo-nazi groups in European countrys.
So, a better analogy for the case of the dutch students having to remove their flags because it offends people would be Hindu students having to remove their swaztikas because it offends people.
(The swaztika has been a semi-holy symbol in Hinduism since long before the Nazis. It still is, even after the Nazis took it.)

Muslim women can, for example, wear wacky outfits if they wish. However, they must also respect the laws of our country, like freedom of speech. They must conform to what the laws of polite society are. They must learn English.

Okay, laws go without saying. And whom, might I ask, come to this country that don't support freedom of speech? Give me one good example, MTAE. One. I don't want a generalization. I want cold hard facts or cases.

What is a "polite" society? Really, I want to know. I find nothing "polite" about our society. It is cold, prejudice, and unfriendly, in general from my experiences.

If the US flag was banned at a school because some Muslim students were offended by it, I would hope that those students would be given a pounding and told to "love it or leave it."

Oh I see, so you support criminal assaults on minorities if the local government decides on a school policy.

So basically, you support terrorism.

Few killed, but many protested. Did you see wide-spread Israeli and Jewish protests in response to the inflammatory anti-Semitic cartoon contest sponsored by Iran? Of course not -- other religions respect freedom of speech and do not burn embassies when they encounter something they do not like.

Hey, freedom of speech swings both ways MTAE. You can protest something you don't like. They have every right. It's not a bad thing at all.


No.

Somehow I doubt that.

Few killed, but many protested. Did you see wide-spread Israeli and Jewish protests in response to the inflammatory anti-Semitic cartoon contest sponsored by Iran? Of course not -- other religions respect freedom of speech and do not burn embassies when they encounter something they do not like.



No.

Ok, any thing you apply to Islam as a religion must also be applied to Judaism as a religion, as there is very little difference between the two religions.
The only reason that not many Jews responded to Iranian anti-semitic cartoons is that nobody really cares if a widely known anti-semitic nation also has anti-semitic cartoons.
If the anti-semitic cartoons were American, you would get mass protests. In fact, you get large protests if somebody insults Israel.

His point is ideological. Muslims are often making unreasonable demands that breach freedom of speech etc for instance the pins mentioned and the vilonet response to the cartoons.

Yay! Sweeping generalizations-man has been through this thread! Behold his powers at work!

Hey, freedom of speech swings both ways MTAE. You can protest something you don't like. They have every right. It's not a bad thing at all.

They have the right to do so, but they were protesting for the curtailment of free speech so that they wouldn't be offended. I never said that they shouldn't have the right to protest, however.

Somehow I doubt that.

I'm not Christian.

He's talking about European states.

No. No he's not. Read his posts, which clearly indicate an American agenda.

Oh, and some more disproof of the original post:
You say that Bush is the best defence the US has against terrorism.
Let's define a terrorist for this purpose as: "Someone who uses fear for political gain"
Now, during the '04 campaign, Bush used ads that said, more or less, that if Kerry won there would be another terrorist attack on the US.
Therefore, Bush used fear for political gain.
So, Bush is a terrorist.
I hardly call putting a terrorist in the most powerful position in the world defending against terrorists.







(For the slow-witted: this post is satire and not meant to be taken seriously.(But Bush really is a terrorist.))

Okay, laws go without saying. And whom, might I ask, come to this country that don't support freedom of speech? Give me one good example, MTAE. One. I don't want a generalization. I want cold hard facts or cases.

For example, those Muslim students who beat up two Dutch students for putting a Danish flag on their backpack. There are many more examples of Muslim protests turned violent in European countries where the Muslims said they didn't like free speech if something offensive to them was published.

What is a "polite" society?

Society where cultural, traditional American customs are appreciated, but I'm talking more about Europe -- the tidal wave of Islamo-fascism has not reached the US on Bush's watch.

I wait for the day when you stop comparing Bush to mortals and begin to equate him with Jesus, claiming only Bush can cleanse your sins of open-mindedness.

No. No he's not. Read his posts, which clearly indicate an American agenda.

I am referring to what is happening in European states and using it as a model to predict what will happen in America.

They have the right to do so, but they were protesting for the curtailment of free speech so that they wouldn't be offended. I never said that they shouldn't have the right to protest, however.


And how so? Show me where the Muslim community as a whole tried to curtail free speech.

I'll be a waitin.


I'm not Christian.

I know who you were now, 100% sure. Same words, almost exactly.

Okay, if somebody took something you believed in, and held sacred, and covered in fecies and said "Such and such is a pile of shit", would you be pissed?

I wait for the day when you stop comparing Bush to mortals and begin to equate him with Jesus

Well, there are many parellels, actually. I shall consider your suggestion.

I know who you were now, 100% sure.

What are you talking about? Who was I?

Okay, if somebody took something you believed in, and held sacred, and covered in fecies and said "Such and such is a pile of shit", would you be pissed?

I may not like what they have to say, but I'll defend their right to say it.

For example, those Muslim students who beat up two Dutch students for putting a Danish flag on their backpack. There are many more examples of Muslim protests turned violent in European countries where the Muslims said they didn't like free speech if something offensive to them was published.

Muslims had nothing to do with that decision, it was the school board's and theirs alone.

For example, those Muslim students who beat up two Dutch students for putting a Danish flag on their backpack. There are many more examples of Muslim protests turned violent in European countries where the Muslims said they didn't like free speech if something offensive to them was published.


1. No Muslims beat anyone up, the SCHOOL asked the students to remove their flags.
2. As I said before, the flag of your own country in a European country usually conveys the same basic message as a swaztika or shaving your head.
3. Whenever a protest (Muslim or otherwise) that wasn't originally intended to be violent turns violent, it is almost always the fault of a few lunatics that ruined the PR of everyone else.


Society where cultural, traditional American customs are appreciated, but I'm talking more about Europe -- the tidal wave of Islamo-fascism has not reached the US on Bush's watch.

It won't ever. It doesn't exist.

Well, there are many parellels, actually. I shall consider your suggestion.

Bush is like Jesus now is he?

Ok, were you drunk when you copy posted this:"Fascism has been a pervasive, omni-present force throughout the entirety of the 20th century"???

Please answer already MTAE. I see it to be a passing trend. WAY passed.

Bush is like Jesus now is he?

In many ways, yes. He follows the same basic precepts, but he is more of a realist. Jesus was quite naive.

Society where cultural, traditional American customs are appreciated, but I'm talking more about Europe -- the tidal wave of Islamo-fascism has not reached the US on Bush's watch.

This one is an odd statement. You see, America has not traditions. Like I've stated before, we are a cultural diverse nation. Various peoples from various society emmigrated here, bringing their own cultures ot whichever area they settled. Other groups moved into that area, and the cultures mixed. So forth and so on. There is no one traditional American custom, as sub-cultures across America are vastly diffrerent from one another.

Might I aks you how Europe has been enveloped by a tidal wave of Islamo Fascists?

On a new note, America is far less safe "under Bush's watch" than you would think. He blew the top of the powder keg that was Iraq. Meanwhile, not much has been done in the homeland to secure ourselves, other than various attempts to scare people into submission.

And, as I noted before, the terrorist have won, Bush allowed it.

I may not like what they have to say, but I'll defend their right to say it.

Unless they're Muslim and offended and their school bans something you like.

Then you will cheer when they are physically assaulted.

Or would you? I rather think you wouldn't, because you don't believe a word you write. You just do it for the attention. Get a life.

Please answer already MTAE. I see it to be a passing trend. WAY passed.

No, of course not. Nazism has been replaced with Islamo-fascism as the dominant form of fascism in the world.

Well, there are many parellels, actually. I shall consider your suggestion.

So you really ARE a troll.

I may not like what they have to say, but I'll defend their right to say it.

Considering you are the guy that advocated reintroducing slavery...
:rolleyes: :confused:
(I was going to put a bunch of laugh smilies there until I realized Jolt doesn't have a laugh smilie.)

Might I aks you how Europe has been enveloped by a tidal wave of Islamo Fascists?

Their freedoms are being excessively curbed in the name of multi-culturalism. If something can possibly offend Muslims, it is banned. People are scared to criticize Islamists for fear of getting beaten up.

No, of course not. Nazism has been replaced with Islamo-fascism as the dominant form of fascism in the world.Oh it has, has it now? that was convenient. You are so clueless this isn't even fun.

For example, those Muslim students who beat up two Dutch students for putting a Danish flag on their backpack. There are many more examples of Muslim protests turned violent in European countries where the Muslims said they didn't like free speech if something offensive to them was published.
Yay! Look kids! It's a post containing no facts whatsoever! If we're reeeeeal quiet, we might get to see another one...


Society where cultural, traditional American customs are appreciated, but I'm talking more about Europe -- the tidal wave of Islamo-fascism has not reached the US on Bush's watch.
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In many ways, yes. He follows the same basic precepts, but he is more of a realist. Jesus was quite naive.

He is either like him or not. But of course he isn't. Jesus would show terrorists mercy.

Their freedoms are being excessively curbed in the name of multi-culturalism. If something can possibly offend Muslims, it is banned. People are scared to criticize Islamists for fear of getting beaten up.

If anyone is to blame here, it is paranoid governments.
Muslims do not want to beat people who disagree with them up any more then Jews do.

So you really ARE a troll.


Yeah, he is. He responds in a way designed to garner the most responses, ignores actual debate, shows an obvious inconsistency in his "logic" and 'arguments' and makes threads designed to piss people off.

I'm done with this.

So you really ARE a troll.

Of course, there are many differences, too. As I previously stated, Bush is more of a realist than Jesus. He has adapted his precepts for the modern world. He knows that peace must be won at the barrel of a gun.

Considering you are the guy that advocated reintroducing slavery...

Yes, for the good of everybody involved. I only proposed such an idea because I wanted everybody to be happy and for the economy to function well.

Well I kinda agree, gotta get the extremists now. They are alot like nazis. They actually have footage of them doing the same salute, but comparing Bush to Churchill... no offense to Bush but Churchill had an I.Q. beyond 40.
Again Muslims aren't invading Europe yet, they'd probably get us first before Europe as we are the 'lol infedels'.

"Fascism has been a pervasive, omni-present force throughout the entirety of the 20th century" I, MTAE define fascism... however I choose... so THERE!

Muslims.. 20th Century... not likely..? On the rise, but not pervasive throughout, wouldn't you say..?!?

Take a stance, hell! take two... but don't be like that.

Their freedoms are being excessively curbed in the name of multi-culturalism. If something can possibly offend Muslims, it is banned.
Is Porn/Bacon/Alcohol banned in all of Europe?

Of course, there are many differences, too. As I previously stated, Bush is more of a realist than Jesus. He has adapted his precepts for the modern world. He knows that peace must be won at the barrel of a gun.


So Bush is BETTER then Jesus?
You're even more of a troll then I thought.


Yes, for the good of everybody involved. I only proposed such an idea because I wanted everybody to be happy and for the economy to function well.

If you want everybody involved to be happy, you generally give them a choice.

Muslims do not want to beat people who disagree with them up any more then Jews do.

What about that Christian who was going to be beheaded for being an infidel? Did Muslims really not want to slaughter him in cold blood because of his religion? Wake up, man -- Islam is a violent, treacherous religion which preaches forceful conversion of infidels in several verses.

Of course, there are many differences, too. As I previously stated, Bush is more of a realist than Jesus. He has adapted his precepts for the modern world. He knows that peace must be won at the barrel of a gun.

In other words Bush is NOTHING like Jesus. Saying he is like him except would acheive peace through the barrel of a gun makes zero sense.

What about that Christian who was going to be beheaded for being an infidel? Did Muslims really not want to slaughter him in cold blood because of his religion? Wake up, man -- Islam is a violent, treacherous religion which preaches forceful conversion of infidels in several verses.

That happened in Europe or America? Source please.

So Bush is BETTER then Jesus?

Well, in some ways, he is. However, he is not as smart or as persuasive a speaker as Jesus.

If you want everybody involved to be happy, you generally give them a choice.

You could do that, or you could brainwash them to be happy.

Meanstoapuppet also believes that people can become millionaires making $15K/year.

That happened in Europe or America? Source please.

It was all over the news a while ago. It happened in Afghanistan, actually, by order of the state.

What about that Christian who was going to be beheaded for being an infidel? Did Muslims really not want to slaughter him in cold blood because of his religion? Wake up, man -- Islam is a violent, treacherous religion which preaches forceful conversion of infidels in several verses.

Source please.

Meanstoapuppet also believes that people can become millionaires making $15K/year.

That idea was explored and proven in a previous thread. As long as you're a minimalist, it's fine.

It was all over the news a while ago. It happened in Afghanistan, actually, by order of the state.


Translation: I don't have a source so I'll just make up more "facts".

pUppEtry IS good... aS long as reAl people arEn't harmed... haVe fUn.. SIR

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That idea was explored and proven in a previous thread. As long as you're a minimalist, it's fine.

No, the idea was explored and found so laughable that anyone could possibly believe such nonsense.

Why are we comparing Bush to Jesus? O.o Bush is nothing like Jesus.

And I doubt the slaves in your slave society would be happy, or that slavery would benefit them. Though you say it's 'for the good of everybody involved'.

Translation: I don't have a source so I'll just make up more "facts".

Here's a source -- it's not the best, but it happened a while ago.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11973510/

That idea was explored and proven in a previous thread. As long as you're a minimalist, it's fine.

I know that, under afghanistan's sharia law(leftover from the taliban scum), apostates can be executed.

I have yet to see someone decapitated in Europe for converting to christianity though.

Here's a source -- it's not the best, but it happened a while ago.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11973510/


Oops. No execution like you said there was. Try again.

A few things.

First, the middle eastern countries you're raving about are not comparable to Nazi Germany in any sort of technological, military, or infrastructural sense. They cannot wage war to the same extent the Nazis were able. They are, for the most part, tinpot dictatorships. They lack the ability to strike at us [or anyone else] in a meaningful capacity, besides possibly the occasional terror strike.

Secondly, National Socialism [aka Nazism] and Fascism are not the same thing. Methinks someone needs to brush up on their political terminology.

Thridly, there is no leader in the Muslim world that could possibly compare to Hitler in any capacity worth mentioning. Part of Germany's threat had to do with the fact that they were unified behind someone who actually kinda-sorta knew what he was doing [until 1941 at least].

Argument rejected. Bush and the neoconservatives are still morally bankrupt. The sinister nature of his enemies does not justify everything he does to combat them.

Oops. No execution like you said there was. Try again.

Did you read the part where it said he faced the death penalty for his "crime"? He wasn't executed because of international pressure, but it would have been legal and the Muslims wanted to kill him.

Did you read the part where it said he faced the death penalty for his "crime"? He wasn't executed because of international pressure, but it would have been legal and the Muslims wanted to kill him.

Didn't Jesus say you're supposed to obey the laws of the land? Are you opposing his teachings now?

What about that Christian who was going to be beheaded for being an infidel? Did Muslims really not want to slaughter him in cold blood because of his religion? Wake up, man -- Islam is a violent, treacherous religion which preaches forceful conversion of infidels in several verses.

If there was a Jewish theocracy, the exact same thing would have happened.
Remember, according to the OT you're supposed to kill apostates too.
Any barbaricism in Islam is the fault of either Judiasm or Christianity, as Islam is almost entirely based on those two religions.
Since it doesn't have Jesus(as a gigantic part of their religion), who is really Christianity's only figure of importance, it's almost identical to Judaism in its basic principles and only differs on details.

Didn't Jesus say you're supposed to obey the laws of the land? Are you opposing his teachings now?

Since when did I accept Jesus' teachings, especially when they led to the execution of an innocent man at the hands of Islamo-fascism?

Did you read the part where it said he faced the death penalty for his "crime"? He wasn't executed because of international pressure, but it would have been legal and the Muslims wanted to kill him.

Dealt with this already.
A Jewish theocracy would have done the exact same thing.
It's not (entirely) a problem with the religion, it's more a problem with the idiots who run Afghanistan putting that religion into law.

Since when did I accept Jesus' teachings, especially when they led to the execution of an innocent man at the hands of Islamo-fascism?

To the ALMOST execution. Don't claim things we've already disprooved, it's bad form.

Your sig makes me shudder, Melkor... your power too, but mainly your sig, MAN!

It's just wrong... and I know... only a fool would say this.

Remember, according to the OT you're supposed to kill apostates too.
Any barbaricism in Islam is the fault of either Judiasm or Christianity, as Islam is almost entirely based on those two religions.
who in the what now? ok you're going to have to source that, i'm calling your bluff.

who in the what now? ok you're going to have to source that, i'm calling your bluff.

And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.---And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

The OT says prophets and people of different religions should be killed.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu013.html

As for the "violence in islam is the fault of Judaism & Christianity" comment, I think thats bull. You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its adherents, as that Religion is not in control or responsible for its followers.

The OT says prophets and people of different religions should be killed.



No.. thats says you should kill people who entice you to worship other gods, nothing about the worship of God in a different way.

The OT says prophets and people of different religions should be killed.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu013.html

As for the "violence in islam is the fault of Judaism & Christianity" comment, I think thats bull. You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its adherents, as that Religion is not in control or responsible for its followers.

I meant the stuff inherant in Islam and not the random lunatics that always show up at protests and stuff.

If someone made a picture of Jesus covered in cow droppings and said "Christian are full of shit" would you be pissed? Absolutely. Same thing hear. Most of those pissed didn't go to the extreme,


I call bullshit on that. I don't think there was any outcry when Bush and Jesus shit on eachother and the American flag during a "South Park" episode. Of course if Mohammed was shit on there would be about 500 dead and some embassies burned down.

I call bullshit on that. I don't think there was any outcry when Bush and Jesus shit on eachother and the American flag during a "South Park" episode. Of course if Mohammed was shit on there would be about 500 dead and some embassies burned down.

No there wouldn't.
Remember, South Park is SATIRE. Nobody really takes it seriously.

I meant the stuff inherant in Islam and not the random lunatics that always show up at protests and stuff.

I guess you could sorta make that argument, Muhammed was heavily influenced by Christian and Jewish theology. Some things however were of his own creation, like the story of satan[Iblis in arabic] and how he was cast into Gehanna because he refused to bow towards god's creation. Theres nothing that I know of(I could be wrong) in the Bible or any Jewish scripture that instructs women to cover their hair and head, as well as most of their body, same thing with the banning of alcohol.

The OT says prophets and people of different religions should be killed.
jews are required to welcome strangers into their home, and are required to make it possible for others to convert to judism. that may require the killing of missionaries, but since we made it out of the desert and didn't slaughter all the builders of the calf, i doubt that the original hebrew has the same meaning as the King James version.

No there wouldn't.
Remember, South Park is SATIRE. Nobody really takes it seriously.

And political cartoons are also satire and you saw the response.

Please remove your head from the sand.

Oh, and according to Trey and Matt, Comedy Central refused to show the normal image of Mohammed during the show because they were getting threats. Thus in their words, "Comedy Central pussied out."

I guess you could sorta make that argument, Muhammed was heavily influenced by Christian and Jewish theology. Some things however were of his own creation, like the story of satan[Iblis in arabic] and how he was cast into Gehanna because he refused to bow towards god's creation. Theres nothing that I know of(I could be wrong) in the Bible or any Jewish scripture that instructs women to cover their hair and head, as well as most of their body, same thing with the banning of alcohol.

There is, it's a Jewish custom for married women to cover their hair.
In addition to relatively strict Jewish standards of modesty, of course.

No there wouldn't.
Remember, South Park is SATIRE. Nobody really takes it seriously.
except the people that do. i have plenty of fundy friends who won't watch it or the simpsons for their mockery of christ.

except the people that do. i have plenty of fundy friends who won't watch it or the simpsons for their mockery of christ.

At least they don't burn down Fox studios and try to kill Matt Groening. They may be crazy fundamentalists, but they don't take it too far.

And political cartoons are also satire and you saw the response.

Please remove your head from the sand.

I realize it's a subtle difference, but bear with me here:
Political cartoons exist to make a point. So, when they insult islam, it's like actually insulting Islam.
South Park exists to be laughed at. So, if they insult islam, it's for humor purposes and isn't supposed to be taken seriously.
It would probably get some sort of protest, but nothing too major.

At least they don't burn down Fox studios and try to kill Matt Groening. They may be crazy fundamentalists, but they don't take it too far.
granted. i wasn't making a point about their activities, just whether or not south park can be taken seriously.

I realize it's a subtle difference, but bear with me here:
Political cartoons exist to make a point. So, when they insult islam, it's like actually insulting Islam.
South Park exists to be laughed at. So, if they insult islam, it's for humor purposes and isn't supposed to be taken seriously.
It would probably get some sort of protest, but nothing too major.

It wouldn't make a difference because they would see it as an insult to Mohammed. We know what South Park is. Do you think people in Saudi Arabia and Syria know what South Park is?

I realize it's a subtle difference, but bear with me here:
Political cartoons exist to make a point. So, when they insult islam, it's like actually insulting Islam.
South Park exists to be laughed at. So, if they insult islam, it's for humor purposes and isn't supposed to be taken seriously.
It would probably get some sort of protest, but nothing too major.

I have to disagree with that, the jihadist nutjobs will find any reason they can to start a conflict.

I realize it's a subtle difference, but bear with me here:
Political cartoons exist to make a point. So, when they insult islam, it's like actually insulting Islam.
South Park exists to be laughed at. So, if they insult islam, it's for humor purposes and isn't supposed to be taken seriously.
It would probably get some sort of protest, but nothing too major.
i don't think they will distinguish between making fun with them and making fun of them.

No there wouldn't.
Remember, South Park is SATIRE. Nobody really takes it seriously.

Wait...

WHAT?!?

Sheni must die...

I should also add that people do take South Park seriously. Believe me, just ask Tom Cruise. (Sure he deserved it, but he's still fucking pissed about it)

Mr. Cruise, come out of the closet.

I should also add that people do take South Park seriously. Believe me, just ask Tom Cruise. (Sure he deserved it, but he's still fucking pissed about it)

Mr. Cruise, come out of the closet.
and mel gibson. i bet he's just roiling mad.

and mel gibson. i bet he's just roiling mad.

I bet they make another Mel episode now.

I have to admit, sometimes I get so scared of terrorism I hide under my bed and pray to to Dubya to save the world from the evil islamofascists and nazi iranians.:p

I should also add that people do take South Park seriously. Another one!
Of course we dimwits take it seriously... it's your politics condensed. Easy to ...swallow...?

Alright guys, I have absolutely nothing to do with this thread, but I decided to read it anyway, and so I'm going to say one quick thing.

This quick thing is that thank God (don't believe in him, but love the phrase) people like MeanstoanEnd aren't in power. Oh wait, Bush is in power...

Wanna know why? Because, with all due respect Means, your a racist. A bigoted, centralized, uneducated, unyielding racist. And no offense buddy, but racism is slowly and steadily going out of fashion. So my suggestion is too find a different opinion to support, one that doesn't go against the morals and values of the human race.

Do you really, seriously, honestly think that slavery should be reinstated? I am disgusted that anyone would ever support so blatantly evil an opinion as that. Slavery was a horrible blot on the history of the human race and I am personally horrified to find that there are still people in this world who support opinions like that.

Lastly, you talk to me about Islamo-fascism when you walk into Iraq and see the pure nightmare those people are going through. Iraq has become a hellhole of human civilization and hundreds of thousands of people have died there. If anyone has done any damage to society, it's US to THEM. Not the other way around. And besides, we have our own version of terrorists. Ever heard of the KKK? The guys who feel that all non whites should die? Yeah, that kinda falls under the jurisdiction of "political fear" to me.

You are very lucky to be living in a society that allows freedom of speech. Otherwise, you'd be in a federal prison right now. I'm all for freedom of speech, but please don't abuse that right by spreading your message of hate. Islam is a beautiful religion, one of pacifism and self realization. You have a right to express your opinion, but understand that the particular opinion your expressing is one that is considered to be immoral. That's my input, and I only hope Means will learn to be a bit of a better human being than what he has become at this point.

That's my input, and I only hope Means will learn to be a bit of a better human being than what he has become at this point. Best of luck with that. Personally, I gave up hoping and went playing internet poker.

What about that Christian who was going to be beheaded for being an infidel? Did Muslims really not want to slaughter him in cold blood because of his religion? Wake up, man -- Islam is a violent, treacherous religion which preaches forceful conversion of infidels in several verses.

And Christianity isn't, MTAE for centuries Christianity persecuted muslims and forced conversion too many peoples across the world, I think you should read up on your history and religion before you think about talking again

Of course, there are many differences, too. As I previously stated, Bush is more of a realist than Jesus. He has adapted his precepts for the modern world. He knows that peace must be won at the barrel of a gun

I forgot to include this in my last post but, it is the belief that peace can only be won by the barrel of a gun that stops any possibility of peace. Besides they said the World Wars would be the end of all wars but they only spawned more conflict.

MeansToAnEnd is going to be responsible for his own party loosing both houses me thinks:p

No we won't, cos he can only serve two terms.
And that is two terms too many. :eek:

Of course, there are many differences, too. As I previously stated, Bush is more of a realist than Jesus. He has adapted his precepts for the modern world. He knows that peace must be won at the barrel of a gun.

War is Peace, Mr. O'Brien?

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May it serve its purpose well. ;)

(Thank you for the inspiration, MTAE. For the thread? Not so much.)

I believe this calls for a special treat.

I hereby proudly introduce and present

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May it serve its purpose well. ;)

(Thank you for the inspiration, MTAE. For the thread? Not so much.)

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Fascism has been a pervasive, omni-present force throughout the entirety of the 20th century. It insidiously crept up on weak nations and ensnared them with its promises of strength, power, and might. Nazi Germany fell to this evil ideology -- through his convincing locution, Hitler was able to trick the German people into accepting his extremist views. He was able to resurrect Germany to its former military might through his nationalistic policies. Yet in the face of the inexorable spread of fascism, many countries did nothing. The prevalent policy of appeasement in Europe smothered any attempt at more forceful action against Germany until it was too late. A shining beacon to the values of freedom, liberty, and justice at the time was Churchill -- he recognized the threat posed by Germany and spoke out against it. He expounded upon plans for dealing with Germany for once and for all. Yet he was ridiculed -- the peace-loving population paid him no mind and continued living in their naive fantasy worlds. Well, their bubble was soon to be burst. European nations fell, one after the other, against the onslaught of German troops. The free world was almost doomed because they did not heed the far-sighted warnings of Churchill.

Well, the same thing is happening today. There is among us a prophet whose crystal-clear vision of the future should be a model all of us should learn from and follow, but he is ridiculed for his views. This man points to the rise of fascism, yet he is scoffed at for his premonitions. He details how more and more nations are getting trapped into the inescapable treachery of fascism, and the world is silent. Once again, the world will not notice until it is too late. One would think that 9/11 would be a sufficient catalyst to force the West into action, but it was not. Fascism mounts in Arab countries, terrorist organizations are stepping up their attacks against the civilized world, and people still fail to realize the danger. Democrats in the US propose cutting and running from Iraq and allowing the country to descend into unabated warfare and, inevitably, Islamo-fascism, that poisonous ideology which has already claimed so many countries. All I can tell you is that you'll rue that day that you didn't listen to Bush; the day that you voted the Democrats into office. When European nations once against start falling before the scythe of Islamo-fascism, you'll be on your knees praying Bush to save you, just like the British were on their knees praying to Churchill to save them. Already freedoms are being restricted in Europe under the guise of "tolerance" -- how much longer under Europe is completely obscured under the shroud of militant Islam? I'd rather not wait around to see, and neither should you. Do not let history repeat itself -- support Bush, the modern-day Churchill. Remember the immortal words of Churchill and apply them to the current situation -- otherwise, there may be no reprieve.

Except that "Islamofascism" exists with or without the war in Iraq; it is embedded in virtually every nation in the world. The fact is that the conflict in Iraq is going no where, and the U.S. can do little more to secure safety for the country. And even if Iraq is somehow totally exorcised of Islamic terrorism, terrorist cells will still exist in the United States, Great Britain, Saudi Arabia, Germany, etc. Defeating terrorism is not intrinsically tied to success in Iraq, and it's a ridiculous assertion to say this is the case.

Seeing as how terrorism is still in existence on the homefront, and that by suppressing it somewhat in one foreign nation will not put an end to it here or there, we should be focusing on protecting our own nations from harm. Last year, the U.S. spent over $100 billion on the war in Iraq; by comparison, only about $30 billion was spent on homeland security. In other words, while trying to defeat the enemy in a foreign nation, we have left ourselves more vulnerable to its attacks on our own soil. Therefore, who can be said to be more defensive of the nation from fascism: the Republicans, whose ideology consists of fighting the battle against an uncontainable force thousands of miles away from where it lies in wait on the homefront, or the Democrats, who at least have the potential to focus on protecting our own borders?

Did you see what happened in Holland? Two students were told to remove the Dutch flag from their backpacks because it offended some Muslim students. That's insane!

:eek:

OH TEH NOES!!!

Bro, you've got your priorities wrong.

A) The US will never be held hostage by the Muslim right. It isn't in our political culture.

B) Really, as "tyranny" goes, that's pretty lame.

and

C) They were asked, not told.

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Glad you like it!

:eek:

OH TEH NOES!!!

Bro, you've got your priorities wrong.

A) The US will never be held hostage by the Muslim right. It isn't in our political culture.

B) Really, as "tyranny" goes, that's pretty lame.

and

C) They were asked, not told.
A) Political correctness and the appeasement of Muslims is a fundamental part of our political culture.

B) If "tyranny" includes the suppression of the freedom of speech, I would disagree.

and

C) Regardless, this promotes a culture where suppressing free speech due to hypersensitivity is accepted. Not good.

:eek:

OH TEH NOES!!!

Bro, you've got your priorities wrong.

A) The US will never be held hostage by the Muslim right. It isn't in our political culture.

B) Really, as "tyranny" goes, that's pretty lame.

and

C) They were asked, not told.

Theres also the fact that muslims did not ask for the flags to be taken off, it was the school board's decision and theirs alone. So the school board tries to ban dutch flags in a dutch school and since there are muslims in said school.....

in other words; 2+2=5