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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/27/bush.gaymarriage.ap/index.html

Bush: Man-woman marriage 'must be defended'


That's right fundies, after ignoring your issue for two years he's now decided that since his party is on the ropes everywhere he'll throw you a bone. Just ignore that he used you in the last election.

You're not seriously suggesting that Bush's opinions on this matter weren't known before?

You're not seriously suggesting that Bush's opinions on this matter weren't known before?

No I'm suggesting his "opinion" of the matter changes based upon how he's doing in the polls.

No I'm suggesting his "opinion" of the matter changes based upon how he's doing in the polls.
He's been pro gay marriage?

I never understood why a couple of homos getting hitched was a threat to straight marriage. Are they afraid their kids will be all like "EEW! marriage is gay. I'm never getting married" or something?

He's been pro gay marriage?

not his opinion on the matter, his opinion on whether it is a hot topic.

He's been pro gay marriage?

He's been rather ambivalent about it. 2004 he's all anti-gay marriage, until about December 04, then he no longer gave a rat's ass. Now he's in a hard place again, suddenly the queers are a threat to humanity. You should hear our political ads, I heard the phrase "homosexual agenda" no less than a dozen times yesterday.

I never understood why a couple of homos getting hitched was a threat to straight marriage. Are they afraid their kids will be all like "EEW! marriage is gay. I'm never getting married" or something?
No, they want to distract people from the real problems.

not his opinion on the matter, his opinion on whether it is a hot topic.

Ah, well that's different. There are many things I would call Bush, but 'inconsistent' isn't necessarily one of them. I think his opinion on this issue has always been fairly clear for all to see.

No, they want to distract people from the real problems.

I get the political strategy, but why are the christian voters so easily convinced that gay marriage will destroy straight marriage?

I get the political strategy, but why are the christian voters so easily convinced that gay marriage will destroy straight marriage?

We queers have dark magical powers which are magnified a thousand times over when we are legally wed!

I get the political strategy, but why are the christian voters so easily convinced that gay marriage will destroy straight marriage?
baaaaah

I get the political strategy, but why are the christian voters so easily convinced that gay marriage will destroy straight marriage?

Well, I suggest we ask one. Where's MeansToAnEnd?:D

Well, I suggest we ask one. Where's MeansToAnEnd?:D

No chance in hell MTAE is old enough to vote.

Election year?
In Soviet Russia, it isn't!

I get the political strategy, but why are the christian voters so easily convinced that gay marriage will destroy straight marriage?
Because they have Biblical "proof" of it; God's "word".

whats so bad about gay marriage?

whats so bad about gay marriage?

They think it's indecent of people to enjoy acts of sexual gratification without fear of issue. It's the old Puritan notion that human pleasure, here on the temporal plane, is both immoral and ungodly.

They think it's indecent of people to enjoy acts of sexual gratification without fear of issue. It's the old Puritan notion that human pleasure, here on the temporal plane, is both immoral and ungodly.
Because God says so.

Watch out for gay banditos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WW6AFu1RF0) in black robes and matching black pumps (very tasteful).

No I'm suggesting his "opinion" of the matter changes based upon how he's doing in the polls.

What's your point? All politicians diddle with their positions and tell you what you want to hear. :eek:

What's your point? All politicians diddle with their positions and tell you what you want to hear. :eek:
They wouldn't be politicians if they didn't.

I get the political strategy, but why are the christian voters so easily convinced that gay marriage will destroy straight marriage?

And while we're on the subject, what exactly does the 'Homosexual Agenda' entail? I hear the phrase bandied about a lot but when questioned nobody seems to know what it actually means.

And while we're on the subject, what exactly does the 'Homosexual Agenda' entail? I hear the phrase bandied about a lot but when questioned nobody seems to know what it actually means.

I think it has something do with converting men, women and children into homosexuals apperently.

I think it has something do with converting men, women and children into homosexuals apperently.

Through the use of tolerance and acceptance education.

I think the logic of why Bush and the fundies hate the idea of gay marriage is thus:

1. The only place there can be love is in a marriage
2. There is only so much love to share round
3. If gays get married they are taking love that straight people could be having!
4. Loads of gays marry, the share of love per straight person in a marriage decreases
5. No straight people have sex--> No kiddies!
6. The world ends before God originally planned
7. Everyone goes to hell because Jesus II arrives to clear our sins when humanity has already gone the way of the dodo

What? This isn't right? Their hatred is based on a book thousands of years old that has been demonstrated to have numerous inconsistencies? Now you're just being silly:p

Their hatred is based on a book thousands of years old that has been demonstrated to have numerous inconsistencies?

Right, because if someone disagrees with your views on what marriage should entail, that automatically makes them full of "hatred."

Right, because if someone disagrees with your views on what marriage should entail, that automatically makes them full of "hatred."

Um, yeh...people who are desperate to deny people the chance to formally and legally state their commitment for each other purely on the basis that they *gasp* happen to be the same sex...yeh I'd say that probably does make them full of hatred. *nods*

Um, yeh...people who are desperate to deny people the chance to formally and legally state their commitment for each other purely on the basis that they *gasp* happen to be the same sex I'd say that probably does make them full of hatred. *nods*

Interesting. Maybe they just have different views than you on morality and such...oh no, I forgot. You and other proponents of gay marriage are the Supreme Rulers of Morality. How foolish of me to question your authority. I forgot that everyone who doesn't hold liberal views on social issues is a crazed zealot.

Interesting that liberals stress "diversity" and the difference of opinions and lifestyles, and yet they can't handle it when someone disagrees with them on a political issue, therefore making them resort to calling their opponents, in other words, evil.

Interesting. Maybe they just have different views than you on morality and such...oh no, I forgot. You and other proponents of gay marriage are the Supreme Rulers of Morality. How foolish of me to question your authority. I forgot that everyone who doesn't hold liberal views on social issues is a crazed zealot.

Interesting that liberals stress "diversity" and the difference of opinions and lifestyles, and yet they can't handle it when someone disagrees with them on a political issue, therefore making them resort to calling their opponents, in other words, evil.

Hey what happened to your other nation?

Interesting. Maybe they just have different views than you on morality and such...oh no, I forgot. You and other proponents of gay marriage are the Supreme Rulers of Morality. How foolish of me to question your authority. I forgot that everyone who doesn't hold liberal views on social issues is a crazed zealot.

Interesting that liberals stress "diversity" and the difference of opinions and lifestyles, and yet they can't handle it when someone disagrees with them on a political issue, therefore making them resort to calling their opponents, in other words, evil.

Hey, im not saying theres nothing wrong with your opinion. People are perfectly free to have intolerant thoughts that others of us might find bizarre (no offence intended). Thats freedom of thought. The key thing is, it isn't the role of the state to inforce moral opinions. Why not have Civil Partnerships like in the UK? Religious institutions don't have to carry out the ceremony and compromise their moral beliefs if they dont want to, while same-sex couples are allowed the same legal rights and can make a statement of commitment. If that isn't a fairer solution than religious interests completely blocking the interests of others then i must wholeheartedly quibble with the definition of "fair" being used:p . I think that would render me, if anything, a "Supreme Master of Sensible Compromise" rather than a "Supreme Ruler of Morality".