NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/26/border.fence/index.html\

Ok, Bush just signed this thing. Yet there is no way to pay for it appearntly. And the fact that its only 700 miles long...along the 2,000 mile long boarder. Then theres the fact that, Who is propbably going to build this fence? probably migrant workers! the Illegal Immigrants themselves are going to build it..wow thats a great Idea. Now, Theres also that they already have tunnels. So bam the fence is defeated before it got started. History already seems to be agaisnt it too. Pretty much every wall that was built to stop cultures from mixing has been a totall and absolute failure.

That because it's a fence, and not a 50 foot tall wall that goes 50 feet into the ground, and there's no landminds! Comon Bush, if we're going to get serious about protecting our border, then we need to go all out! Jeez even I can jump a crappy fence.

We don't need a fence.

We need to dig a really long, really wide and really deep trench.

Let's see them get past that.

We don't need a fence.

We need to dig a really long, really wide and really deep trench.

Let's see them get past that.

Would we feed them?

No, the fence will not work. It will be a huge waste of time and money. I don't like idea of a trench either. People are very good at finding ways around barriers.

No, the fence will not work. It will be a huge waste of time and money. I don't like idea of a trench either. People are very good at finding ways around barriers.

That why we need landmines.

I have a great idea! These people are going to try to cross no matter what so why not just set up a bunch of deadly obstacles up and down the border and set up a bunch of cameras to watch them cross. Edit it down to a half hour reality show and give those that make it citizenship.

I have a great idea! These people are going to try to cross no matter what so why not just set up a bunch of deadly obstacles up and down the border and set up a bunch of cameras to watch them cross. Edit it down to a half hour reality show and give those that make it citizenship.

*copies that down, writes "Race for Citizenship" across the top, and runs to the NBC office*

A 20 feet-wide river of high corrosive acid and industrial wastes could work. It'd also be a waste disposal solution. The trench should be everywhere along the border except at pre-planned crossing points.

The width should be enough to discourage bridging attempts.

Have cameras on the US-side take horrific pictures of illegals being dissolved - play on ad on Mexican TV, and graphic photos in newspapers. The number of attempts would be significantly lower the very next day.

I have a great idea! These people are going to try to cross no matter what so why not just set up a bunch of deadly obstacles up and down the border and set up a bunch of cameras to watch them cross. Edit it down to a half hour reality show and give those that make it citizenship.

Nah I got a better idea. Grow the rainforrest on 1,999 miles of the border, but leave 1 miles open. Hire 100 of our best snipers and position them on those one miles. If the illegals can get through, then they will automatically become citizens. Fun for the whole family!

*copies that down, writes "Race for Citizenship" across the top, and runs to the NBC office*

*trips him and beats him sensless, steal the notes and runs to ABC*

*trips him and beats him sensless, steal the notes and runs to ABC*

*grabs his leg, pulls the notes away, and makes a mad dash for CBS, since it's closest*

*Stops all the races with a single sentence* I believe all issues from NS are copyrighted to Max Barry.

:p

I was just about to say that. Either Max or the writer of the issue and its soultions. Still it is a funny solution and just might have a better chance for succes than this fence.

If there were such a show it would be on FOX.

If I was President, I would go with the toxic river idea, but instead of bridges, poorly built boat that'll collapase as soon as it sets sail! Thus giving illegals false hopes! :D

you know what would work best? respecting human rights and adjusting our infrastructure and funding systems accordingly. crazy, i know.

as for the fence, it's like a bad joke. who exactly do they think it plays to at all? certainly not the lovers of liberty over here. that's obvious. but it's not the minefield advocating lunatics either.

you know what would work best? respecting human rights and adjusting our infrastructure and funding systems accordingly. crazy, i know.

as for the fence, it's like a bad joke. who exactly do they think it plays to at all? certainly not the lovers of liberty over here. that's obvious. but it's not the minefield advocating lunatics either.

Or standards could work. We could go back to having US (meaning the USA) control how many people we let in annually, and what kind. As of right now, we have enough people who are willing to do the labor intensive work, what we need now are doctors, lawyers, businessmen etc. Seriously, this is what I would do as President.

1. Tell Presidente Fox that since he has his own way of dealing with illegal immigrations that is much tougher than the USA's, (and they are), then we're going to get tough too. He can either help us, or I remove them from NAFTA.

2. Start a new militatry branch called Border Patrol, no longer will our borders be guarded by normal cops or sometimes rent-a-cop, now it will be handled by the militatry.

3. A 50 foot 2,000 miles long wall will go up, with holes for the roads, but nothing else. Also to deter any tunneling, the wall will go underground 50 feet. Also sonar devices will be put in place to listen to any pic-axing going on.

4. On the wall, there will be a post every 5 miles that is to be manded 24/7/365. Anyone caught trying to climb the wall, or go through it will be arrested, and handed over to Mexico government.

5. A massive sweep will take place across this country removing any illegals that are not contributing to this country in anyway, IE No jobs, and they will be deported.

6. Those illegals who do have a job, and do pay taxes, will be given a chance to go through the process, if they refuse, deportation.

7. Start setting our own numbers of how many people we want in this country, and what kind as in profession.

and things should be dandy from there.

I think it will do more than nothing. Remember that guy who got three elephants and a mariachi band across the border?

I think it will do more than nothing. Remember that guy who got three elephants and a mariachi band across the border?

He was hiding it all in his bum! :p I had to say it.

Free soviets,
You know what might just gain them some credibility? Respecting immigration laws and the sovreignty of another nation.

I don't like the minefield but I do like the cameras idea. Walls simply don't work but cameras and patrols would. They're working right now where they've been put up but they aren't everywhere and putting them up everywhere and operating them all would be expensive. That's where the reality show idea comes in. It could help at least lower the cost of operation. And it would be good for the environment because we'd be adding a whole new food source for wildlife to an otherwise barren landscape. And the winners get what they're after. It's win win!:D

you know what would work best? respecting human rights and adjusting our infrastructure and funding systems accordingly. crazy, i know.

as for the fence, it's like a bad joke. who exactly do they think it plays to at all? certainly not the lovers of liberty over here. that's obvious. but it's not the minefield advocating lunatics either.

How dare you inject serious discussion into our levity.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Wiki_citywok2.jpg/200px-Wiki_citywok2.jpg

You phify mongrels!

If it were going to work, it wouldn't get built.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Wiki_citywok2.jpg/200px-Wiki_citywok2.jpg

You phify mongrels!

LOL, ahh classic, I loved that episode.

If it were going to work, it wouldn't get built.

That what they said about the Titanic water proofs doors too.

That what they said about the Titanic water proofs doors too.

:confused:

I don't get it. :(

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/26/border.fence/index.html\

Ok, Bush just signed this thing. Yet there is no way to pay for it appearntly. And the fact that its only 700 miles long...along the 2,000 mile long boarder. Then theres the fact that, Who is propbably going to build this fence? probably migrant workers! the Illegal Immigrants themselves are going to build it..wow thats a great Idea. Now, Theres also that they already have tunnels. So bam the fence is defeated before it got started. History already seems to be agaisnt it too. Pretty much every wall that was built to stop cultures from mixing has been a totall and absolute failure.

What's the big deal about Mexicans?

:confused:

I don't get it. :(

The Titanic had several water tight walls and doors inside the ship. They were designed to hold water in a certain part of the ship in case the hull was punctured, however, one of the design flaw of this system was that the walls did not go up high enough, so as the Titanic took on water, the water just filled up one compartment after another, going up and over the walls.

So does ANYONE believe this fence will work?

It depends on what you mean by the word work.

Will it work if working means to:

1: Before Finished: Will it employee hundreds of people and thereby feed thousands of people for several years, as they are hired to build it? Yes.

2: When finished; Will it require dozens of people to be perpetually employed to maintain it? Yes.

3: When finished; Will it become a litmus test for illegal immigrants? Will the wall test IF a would be immigrant is healthy enough and strong enough to overcome the wall, and then if they are healthy and strong enough to be manual labor in crop fields etc., they will overcome the test and prove that they can be useful to someone in the US as cheap labor. IF they are NOT healthy and strong enough to overcome the wall, then they aren't wanted in the US anyway and the wall will keep them out? YES

4: When finished; Will it be a strain on the Mexican governments infrastructure and economy by reducing the number of unemployed Mexicans who try to leave Mexico? Yes.

So in the end, I think, with conditions, the answer to the question is Yes. It will work. If it works as advertised, well, that's a different question then isn't it ;)

Even if the fence covered the entire boarder, no. It's a bloody fence, give me some wire cutters and inside of an hour I'll have a mile long section on the ground, and I'm just one person, not a flock of determined illegals.

He was hiding it all in his bum! :p I had to say it.

I wasn't joking, you know. Some guy got some elephants, and marched them over the border while the band played, to prove that the border could easily be breached by a small invasion force.

The fence isn't designed to keep illegals out. It's designed to give the impression that the government is TRYING to keep illegals out when, in reality, the government doesn't give a fuck if illegals come here. It's good for corporations to be able to hire illegals; it keeps their profits higher. This is another example of the U.S. trying to solve a problem with politics instead of solutions.

Go ahead and send me over a tinfoil hat if you want to; the fact remains, I say this because I am not at all impressed with this "effort" made by the Dubya administration.

Bush is in an unenviable position. If he comes down too hard on immigration he risks upsetting a major voting minority, particularly if he comes off as racist in the process. If he does nothing he angers his base, if he does too much he angers the latinos.

Though I don't know all the nuances of the issues, he's plainly in a bad position.

Bush is in an unenviable position. If he comes down too hard on immigration he risks upsetting a major voting minority, particularly if he comes off as racist in the process. If he does nothing he angers his base, if he does too much he angers the latinos.

Though I don't know all the nuances of the issues, he's plainly in a bad position.

Good point. If he cracks down on all immigration? Minorities will hate him. If he sticks his thumb up his ass? Nationalists will hate him. If he deports the illegals and leaves the legals alone? Corporations hate him...but then again, if they say anything, they have to admit they hired illegals, and that's really bad for PR...oh yeah, and they have to raise prices to compensate for all the extra legal help they have to hire. Pretty soon, that weakens the economy, and Bush will get hell for that. So it's not a good position to be in, but then again, lots of politicians and CEOs allowed it to get this bad by not playing by the rules. Now, if we decide to play by the rules, it will hurt all of us and the one who decides to enforce it will take the fall.

We don't need a fence.

We need to dig a really long, really wide and really deep trench.

Let's see them get past that.

Hasn't stopped Africans from getting to Spain.

A 20 feet-wide river of high corrosive acid and industrial wastes could work. It'd also be a waste disposal solution. The trench should be everywhere along the border except at pre-planned crossing points.

Have you seen where this people live? Where do you think toxic waste is being disposed now?

The fence isn't designed to keep illegals out. It's designed to give the impression that the government is TRYING to keep illegals out when, in reality, the government doesn't give a fuck if illegals come here. It's good for corporations to be able to hire illegals; it keeps their profits higher. This is another example of the U.S. trying to solve a problem with politics instead of solutions.

Go ahead and send me over a tinfoil hat if you want to; the fact remains, I say this because I am not at all impressed with this "effort" made by the Dubya administration.

the fence is an election year boondoggle.

the republican congress can go home to their constituents and brag about how they have solved the illegal immigrant problem.

but the fence isnt long enough, its just a fence, and the bill that authorizes the spending for it allows the money to be spent on things other than the fence.

i feel so much safer now.

Have you seen where this people live? Where do you think toxic waste is being disposed now?

i dont think they are being serious when they make these silly proposals.

The Titanic had several water tight walls and doors inside the ship. They were designed to hold water in a certain part of the ship in case the hull was punctured, however, one of the design flaw of this system was that the walls did not go up high enough, so as the Titanic took on water, the water just filled up one compartment after another, going up and over the walls.

Yes, I know this. But the builders of the titanic didn't buid it that way because they knew it wouldn't work, they built it that way because they thought it was good enough. The Republicans wants to build this fence because they KNOW it won't work, but it'll mollify conservatives enough to vote for them.

So does ANYONE believe this fence will work? the CNN moron does.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/WOWloudobbs.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/26/border.fence/index.html\

Ok, Bush just signed this thing. Yet there is no way to pay for it appearntly. And the fact that its only 700 miles long...along the 2,000 mile long boarder. Then theres the fact that, Who is propbably going to build this fence? probably migrant workers! the Illegal Immigrants themselves are going to build it..wow thats a great Idea. Now, Theres also that they already have tunnels. So bam the fence is defeated before it got started. History already seems to be agaisnt it too. Pretty much every wall that was built to stop cultures from mixing has been a totall and absolute failure.
Don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but only about $1.2 billion of the estimated $9 billion needed to build the thing was allocated to begin with, and even then, there's no requirement that DHS actually spend the money on the fence anyway.

Do I think it will work? No. Mostly because we lack the funds to even build it. But also - people managed to get over the Berlin wall. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Nope, fence won't work.

Ask the Romans if Hadrian's Wall or the Antonine Wall worked. They didn't. Even thought they were manned at regular intervals by units of the Roman Legions, they were still sieves and the Picts and other "barbarians" in Scotland raided at will.

The wall is a sill idea.

I think we should annex Mexico. Solves the whole problem for everyone.

I have a great idea! These people are going to try to cross no matter what so why not just set up a bunch of deadly obstacles up and down the border and set up a bunch of cameras to watch them cross. Edit it down to a half hour reality show and give those that make it citizenship.

"American Border Gladiators."

Culture Clash at their finest.

:D

Ask the Romans if Hadrian's Wall or the Antonine Wall worked. They didn't. Even thought they were manned at regular intervals by units of the Roman Legions, they were still sieves and the Picts and other "barbarians" in Scotland raided at will.

The wall is a sill idea.


Well lesson one for the Romans is about to be re-learnt "If your fence stretches frm one coast to the next, no-one cares if it's impenetrable, they just learn to build boats" :D

"American Border Gladiators."

Culture Clash at their finest.

:D
This isn't far off from that (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/13/entertainment/main635771.shtml).

We don't need a fence.

We need to dig a really long, really wide and really deep trench.

Let's see them get past that.

Well, looking at the currently existing really long, really wide, and really deep trench, usually they just swim across, or sneak onboard a boat.