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Mine is Rush Limbaugh. He is the bright beacon that emulates all that is good, wholesome and republican. If only more people in the media could be like him, then we'd all be happy and well informed.

Who is your hero?

!!!a DAHHUR DAAAHHUR IMA AINTERNET TROLL

Michael J Fox, a good man fighting to help families in need, even through the slanders of addicted thugs like Rush Limbaugh.

Michael J Fox, a good man fighting to help families in need, even through the slanders of addicted thugs like Rush Limbaugh.


I liked Teen Wolf, it makes me want to be a werewolf so i am:cool: among the kids at school, or if they don't like me, then I could eat them.

Hugh Thompson Jr. The man who stopped My Lai.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson%2C_Jr.

!!!a DAHHUR DAAAHHUR IMA AINTERNET TROLL

How am I a troll?

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Note that posts of opinions you disagree with does not automatically equate with trolling. Disagreements are expected, as long as they are done in a civil manner. Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held. Make your case without the invective, if you want to avoid banishment as a Troll.

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill KG &c.

I am prepared to meet my maker. Whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.

How am I a troll?

Low post count, self-identification as a neocon, lavish praise of Rush Limbaugh. Oh yeah, people are going to accuse you of trolling. (not saying you are, I tend to postpone my condemnation till I see more evidence)

How am I a troll?

Calling an addicted, ankle biting, ad hominem weilding thug like Limbaugh a hero is likely to rile up the locals. Troll is the favored insult y'urabouts.

My heroes are all the brave men and women who put their lives on the line to protect and preserve the freedom our forefathers fought for so long ago--the men and women who know true sacrifice, bravery, and integrity, and never hesitate to live by strict moral codes in their daily lives.

-wipes tears from eyes-

Stephen Colbert is pretty awesome.

Low post count, self-identification as a neocon, lavish praise of Rush Limbaugh. Oh yeah, people are going to accuse you of trolling. (not saying you are, I tend to postpone my condemnation till I see more evidence)

Well thank you for being humane. I don't understand why being conservative, and proud about it makes me a troll,puppet or anything ese people accuse me of. I don't accuse them of being mindless for being liberal do I? No. People need to use the golden rule.

My heroes are all the brave men and women who put their lives on the line to protect and preserve the freedom our forefathers fought for so long ago--the men and women who know true sacrifice, bravery, and integrity.


Amen!

Amen!

You make me embarrassed to be in the military.

Frederick II was pretty cool.

You make me embarrassed to be in the military.


Why is that?

http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drum7/neilpeart.jpg

Not a hero, per se, but he's been a huge inspiration on my life in the past three months. I guess one could say that Neil Peart is the closest thing I'll have to a "hero". It's not just his skill as a percussionist... It's his insight, his demeanor, his drive, and his will to go on after so much has happened to him.

Reflecting on his life has made me come to terms with my own. This road might have some bumps, and possibly some steep plunges. But, if you have the determination, you can move on, because better things will happen.

At the moment, the Zapatistas.

http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drum7/neilpeart.jpg

Not a hero, per se, but he's been a huge inspiration on my life in the past three months. I guess one could say that Neil Peart is the closest thing I'll have to a "hero". It's not just his skill as a percussionist... It's his insight, his demeanor, his drive, and his will to go on after so much has happened to him.

Reflecting on his life has made me come to terms with my own. This road might have some bumps, and possibly some steep plunges. But, if you have the determination, you can move on, because better things will happen.


he is one of the best drummers ever though, if not the best

You make me embarrassed to be in the military.

QFT

QFT



Why? Because I don't agree with your personal politics? Well its shows how closed minded some supposedly open minded people are.

Mine is Rush Limbaugh. He is the bright beacon that emulates all that is good, wholesome and republican. If only more people in the media could be like him, then we'd all be happy and well informed.

Who is your hero?

Rush Limbaugh is not a hero. He is a monster. Is as un-american (as you neo-cons put it) as it comes. I'd put Stalin above Rush. At least Stalin totally whipped out the wermacht. Rush is simply a bigot, and a liar. He does nothing good. He simply goes around insulting people, screaming in the name of conservatism (ie facsim), and saying what allot of middle aged racist white people think so they believe he is a hero. No, he is a fool. Real hero's are people like the ones that horrible president of ours has sent to die in the sands of Iraq. Real hero's don't speak, they don't sit there and talk shit like a middle school drama queen. They Do. They Act. they get things done and save lives silently and effectivley and ask for nothing in return.Facta Non Verba (Deeds, Not Words.) and Libre De Oppresso (to Liberate the Oppressed).

Rush Limbaugh is not a hero. He is a monster. Is as un-american (as you neo-cons put it) as it comes. I'd put Stalin above Rush. At least Stalin totally whipped out the wermacht. Rush is simply a bigot, and a liar. He does nothing good. He simply goes around insulting people, screaming in the name of conservatism (ie facsim), and saying what allot of middle aged racist white people think so they believe he is a hero. No, he is a fool. Real hero's are people like the ones that horrible president of ours has sent to die in the sands of Iraq. Real hero's don't speak, they don't sit there and talk shit like a middle school drama queen. They Do. They Act. they get things done and save lives silently and effectivley and ask for nothing in return.Facta Non Verba (Deeds, Not Words.) and Libre De Oppresso (to Liberate the Oppressed).

If you equate conservatism with facism then your terminology is really off.

Why? Because I don't agree with your personal politics? Well its shows how closed minded some supposedly open minded people are.

No, you're willfully acting like an idiot and leaving me with an "oh, this is what I'm going to be fighting for" when I ship out to basic training Tuesday. Thanks.

Mine is Rush Limbaugh.


Oh...oh dear gawd.

How am I a troll?

When people shit on the forum enough, it gets easy to smell.

When people shit on the forum enough, it gets easy to smell.

Maybe you just need to brush your teeth?

If you equate conservatism with facism then your terminology is really off.

Thanx for noticing that. So did I, so why do conservatives tend to act like facists?

No, you're willfully acting like an idiot and leaving me with an "oh, this is what I'm going to be fighting for" when I ship out to basic training Tuesday. Thanks.


And thats why you are a hero. Even though you think I am an idiot, you still fight for my right to be such said thing. Thank you :):fluffle:

No, you're willfully acting like an idiot and leaving me with an "oh, this is what I'm going to be fighting for" when I ship out to basic training Tuesday. Thanks.

But that is what you're fighting for; you're fighting for the right of dullards to heap praise on fearmongerers and worse. Sorry.

Michael J Fox, a good man fighting to help families in need, even through the slanders of addicted thugs like Rush Limbaugh.

While I'm normally one of the last people to defend Rush Limbaugh, and while I'm not doing it now, how do you know he's slandering Michael J. Fox? Yes, Rush went pretty far across the line to make the accusation public, but I haven't seen any proof that he's wrong in this instance besides "ZOMFG! YOU CAN'T ACCUSE A CRIPPLE IN PUBLIC!!!111!!one!!"

No, you're willfully acting like an idiot and leaving me with an "oh, this is what I'm going to be fighting for" when I ship out to basic training Tuesday. Thanks.

I ship out for basic in a month. He made a joke about this country and you tweeked on him? how the fuck is that American? I sure the hell don't wan't to die for shit like that. Or fight for it. I want to fight for the constitution of the United States, The rights and freedoms it has granted us. Even the ones that let That Dumbass Rush say whatever he wants. He should be lucky to live in America.

*surprising to many people*

Not as many members in the US military are conservative as you may think. There are many people who are moderate and or more liberal. Remember The US military is sworn to fight for a particular politcal party like in Communist China. Infact I'm sure the Republicans would get mighty mad and scared at the ammount of soldiers that hate them.

Rush Limbaugh is not a hero. He is a monster. Is as un-american (as you neo-cons put it) as it comes. I'd put Stalin above Rush. At least Stalin totally whipped out the wermacht. Rush is simply a bigot, and a liar. He does nothing good. He simply goes around insulting people, screaming in the name of conservatism (ie facsim), and saying what allot of middle aged racist white people think so they believe he is a hero. No, he is a fool. Real hero's are people like the ones that horrible president of ours has sent to die in the sands of Iraq. Real hero's don't speak, they don't sit there and talk shit like a middle school drama queen. They Do. They Act. they get things done and save lives silently and effectivley and ask for nothing in return.Facta Non Verba (Deeds, Not Words.) and Libre De Oppresso (to Liberate the Oppressed).


"All gave some, some gave all."

I ship out for basic in a month. He made a joke about this country and you tweeked on him? how the fuck is that American? I sure the hell don't wan't to die for shit like that. Or fight for it. I want to fight for the constitution of the United States, The rights and freedoms it has granted us. Even the ones that let That Dumbass Rush say whatever he wants. He should be lucky to live in America.

Which branch are you entering?

I ship out for basic in a month. He made a joke about this country and you tweeked on him? how the fuck is that American? I sure the hell don't wan't to die for shit like that. Or fight for it. I want to fight for the constitution of the United States, The rights and freedoms it has granted us. Even the ones that let That Dumbass Rush say whatever he wants. He should be lucky to live in America.

... Also, I'm having trouble understanding if you were reprimanding me or something. Clarify?

Why? Because I don't agree with your personal politics? Well its shows how closed minded some supposedly open minded people are.

Because the stance of the neoconservatives is counter to the experience of those of us on the deckplates and on the ground. Those of us in the Navy are getting individually augmented to Iraq and Afghanistan more and more to support a skewed agenda that goes 180° from the will of the public

You embrace the neoconservative movement. Well, your cohorts are getting us killed out there for NO FUCKING REASON.

Which branch are you entering?

US Army, yourself?

US Army, yourself?

Same. 96B. :cool:

Because the stance of the neoconservatives is counter to the experience of those of us on the deckplates and on the ground. Those of us in the Navy are getting individually augmented to Iraq and Afghanistan more and more to support a skewed agenda that goes 180° from the will of the public

You embrace the neoconservative movement. Well, your cohorts are getting us killed out there for NO FUCKING REASON.

There is a reason for being in Iraq. That is we stopped the massacre of people by a ruthless dictator.

Because the stance of the neoconservatives is counter to the experience of those of us on the deckplates and on the ground. Those of us in the Navy are getting individually augmented to Iraq and Afghanistan more and more to support a skewed agenda that goes 180° from the will of the public

You embrace the neoconservative movement. Well, your cohorts are getting us killed out there for NO FUCKING REASON.

I totally agree with you. I can point to many people (including myself) that hate the current administration. I don't like the Democrats much better, its like how do you like your options, Do you want a bullet in the head? or one in the chest? But I am absolutley disgusted as an American Citizen, and future soldier, with the way the Neo-cons and the Republicans are acting, and leading this country. It totally offends me and we need change, lots of it. NOW. They are bassicaly pissing on the constitution, international relations and treatize, and all over the soldiers that are fighting for them.

There is a reason for being in Iraq. That is we stopped the massacre of people by a ruthless dictator in order to start a civil war and create a different, much larger massacre of people in the same country.

There I finished the statement for you. We replaced a brutal, but stable dictatorship with chaos and an ineffectual puppet government.

Mine is Rush Limbaugh. He is the bright beacon that emulates all that is good, wholesome and republican. If only more people in the media could be like him, then we'd all be happy and well informed.

Who is your hero?

How am I a troll?

When you use the words "Rush Limbaugh" next to "good" and "wholesome" and then suggest that the public would be well-informed if more members of the media were like him, there's no question but you're trolling. There's no other possibility.

Same. 96B. :cool:

cool, btw I was wrong when I slung that shit storm your way in that earlier post about that joke. I read what you said the totally wrong way, Hand shake?:fluffle:

There I finished the statement for you. We replaced a brutal, but stable dictatorship with chaos and an ineffectual puppet government.



What about democracy? Who said "THose that favour security above freedom, deserve neither?"Well they might not have security, but thats ok, because they now have democracy

When you use the words "Rush Limbaugh" next to "good" and "wholesome" and then suggest that the public would be well-informed if more members of the media were like him, there's no question but you're trolling. There's no other possibility.

Other than I truly beleive it?

There I finished the statement for you. We replaced a brutal, but stable dictatorship with chaos and an ineffectual puppet government.

From my LJ friend's journal:

The media rarely mentions the schools or hospitals the Americans have built there. The media overlooks the fact that the women there are finally for the first time being allowed to seek an education. The media overlooks that there was an 80 some odd percent approval (I think it was 86%) rating for the US going there by those in Iraq. The media overlooks that the Geneva Conventions do not even allow for US interrogators to use 'stress positions' or anything else to obtain information that could protect lives. The stress positions are what the army uses for its own men in training, uncomfortable but not harmful positions. On the grounds that the enemy didn't volunteer of course. Bear in mind, we don't exactly volunteer to run into IEDs either but it keeps happening to our people. We don't volunteer for what happens to our men. Except that it is a war. Unfortunately. So grumble and rant over. I have to go pick up my husband.

There is a reason for being in Iraq. That is we stopped the massacre of people by a ruthless dictator.

Do you have any idea how many dictators we put into POWER, and the many the massacred...

As for Saddam, the people he was killing, they were revolting against him. Do you think that the USA would let you live if you decided to take up a revolution against it? If they did, it would be only to keep you from becoming a martyr. Since you are a kid, I will figure you this time. But get this into your head, Bush didn't invade Iraq because Saddam was killing his people. The reasons Bush invaded Iraq are his, and his alone. Many people have made guesses at it, but no one knows for sure.


Oh, as for stopping the massacre of innocent civilians, just to let you know, currently published figures of civilians killed in Iraq because of the war are very disputed, but its at LEAST 50,000.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ (At bottom of page.)

cool, btw I was wrong when I slung that shit storm your way in that earlier post about that joke. I read what you said the totally wrong way, Hand shake?:fluffle:

I sort of got the troll-vibe from this person like most others did and ran with it. :( My family's big on military, so no actual disrespect coming from me. :p

My hero? Thomas Paine.

What about democracy? Who said "THose that favour security above freedom, deserve neither?"Well they might not have security, but thats ok, because they now have democracy

But they didn't want democracy. They weren't ready for it. We forced it on them. Now the Iraqi people and my fellow soldiers and sailors are paying the price for it.

It's like throwing a kid in the pool to sink or swim, then yelling at him for sinking. He didn't want to be in the pool in the first place!

And by the way, I think you might be confusing the war in Iraq with the war on terrorism -- they are not the same thing. I'm not *sure* that you're confusing them, and I apologize if I'm wrong on that point, but it's the impression I got.

Do you have any idea how many dictators we put into POWER, and the many the massacred...

As for Saddam, the people he was killing, they were revolting against him. Do you think that the USA would let you live if you decided to take up a revolution against it? If they did, it would be only to keep you from becoming a martyr. Since you are a kid, I will figure you this time. But get this into your head, Bush didn't invade Iraq because Saddam was killing his people. The reasons Bush invaded Iraq are his, and his alone. Many people have made guesses at it, but no one knows for sure.


Oh, as for stopping the massacre of innocent civilians, just to let you know, currently published figures of civilians killed in Iraq because of the war are very disputed, but its at LEAST 50,000.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ (At bottom of page.)

Wait wait wait, are you exhonerating Saddam?

From my LJ friend's journal:

The media rarely mentions the schools or hospitals the Americans have built there. The media overlooks the fact that the women there are finally for the first time being allowed to seek an education. The media overlooks that there was an 80 some odd percent approval (I think it was 86%) rating for the US going there by those in Iraq. The media overlooks that the Geneva Conventions do not even allow for US interrogators to use 'stress positions' or anything else to obtain information that could protect lives. The stress positions are what the army uses for its own men in training, uncomfortable but not harmful positions. On the grounds that the enemy didn't volunteer of course. Bear in mind, we don't exactly volunteer to run into IEDs either but it keeps happening to our people. We don't volunteer for what happens to our men. Except that it is a war. Unfortunately. So grumble and rant over. I have to go pick up my husband.

That is so damn true. Everyone always has to look at the downside. Same thing happened in 'nam. But what if we went out saying OMFGZZZZZ the Japz killed three americans today? Would we have stopped ww2?

Wait wait wait, are you exhonerating Saddam?
Oh, I think you need to join the CIA to do that properly.

http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html

That is so damn true. Everyone always has to look at the downside. Same thing happened in 'nam. But what if we went out saying OMFGZZZZZ the Japz killed three americans today? Would we have stopped ww2?

Okay shut up. You're making the left, presumably the ballpark of your party, look a fuck of a lot worse than you're trying to make the right.

Okay shut up. You're making the left, presumably the ballpark of your party, look a fuck of a lot worse than you're trying to make the right.

We're called the "RIGHT" for a reason ;)

Same. 96B. :cool:

to you and b/t...thank you for your service and sacrifice.

my son just got back from fort benning(bootcamp) last month(11b)and as scared as i am for him,i am equally proud that, he not only got thru a brutal bootcamp(with only 3 days in the hospital) and during the dead of summer.
he joined to do his small part to protect and serve his country.
and to do(out of respect,possibly emulation)for my father(deceased)
his logic was,that his greatgrandfather fought in ww1,my dad,his grandfather fought in korea,that he should do his duty as well.
my dad gave him his dogtags and his deacons cross on his deathbed,like my dad's father gave me his 1903-a3 when he was dying.
guess you can say it is tradition in my family,to honor those that went before you and sacrificed.(cept me..the army wouldn't take me)

to the op...limbaugh is a hypocritical blowhard..and has zilch to do with real conservatives,just like the clowns in office today claim to be real conservatives.
the dems and repugs are basically the same..whores,and rush shitbag is just a cheerleader and a whore wrapped in conservative clothing.

vote 3rd party!

edit:my hero was /is my mom...fiscally conservative and totallly social liberal,she would drag home every down and out person she could find..help them and never judge anyone,a saint in my mind.

I sort of got the troll-vibe from this person like most others did and ran with it. :( My family's big on military, so no actual disrespect coming from me. :p

Yeah, mine too, its creepy, Like I have had a member of my family in every war here since the french indian war. Its crazy. But yeah, My family then also tends to be more liberal. The military is actually pretty diverse more than people think. There are many, many who are agaisnt this Neo-Con shit. Thats not what Soldiers have died for now, and threwout all of American History. They fight for our rights and the Current Administration is just fucking that up. They have destroyed the sanctity and the blood they have spilled with their BullShit. Taking away Consitutional rights is NOT american. God, thats not even Mexico! Anyways, good luck in basic, and hope you do well to the military!

Other than I truly beleive it?

I'd like to think you're not that stupid. I'm an optimist.

While I'm normally one of the last people to defend Rush Limbaugh, and while I'm not doing it now, how do you know he's slandering Michael J. Fox? Yes, Rush went pretty far across the line to make the accusation public, but I haven't seen any proof that he's wrong in this instance besides "ZOMFG! YOU CAN'T ACCUSE A CRIPPLE IN PUBLIC!!!111!!one!!"

Or maybe you haven't been looking too hard.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11854240&postcount=18

Just one example.

But they didn't want democracy. They weren't ready for it. We forced it on them. Now the Iraqi people and my fellow soldiers and sailors are paying the price for it.

It's like throwing a kid in the pool to sink or swim, then yelling at him for sinking. He didn't want to be in the pool in the first place!

And by the way, I think you might be confusing the war in Iraq with the war on terrorism -- they are not the same thing. I'm not *sure* that you're confusing them, and I apologize if I'm wrong on that point, but it's the impression I got.

Right dude, US Army here. Totally hate the Bush Admin, and the Neo-Cons. They are destroying this nation faster and better than ANY terroist could. :headbang:

We're called the "RIGHT" for a reason ;)

Yeah its on oxymoron. Those were big when those terms came out.

your nothing but a youngin.

Wait wait wait, are you exhonerating Saddam?


You misunderstand my point. I am stating that there have been worse people in power, that we have placed in power.

Saddam isn't a great guy, but nonetheless he was pretty much the USAs bitch since the gulf war.

And I find that it is quite funny that our OWN government sold him these supposed WMDs, when we wanted him to go after Iran.

So, though I am not releasing him from guilt, I am saying that guilt shouldnt be placed entirely on him. People seem to forget, the USA is not the innocent creature we like to assume she is. Her hands have been quite blood stained in the past 50 years or so.

That is so damn true. Everyone always has to look at the downside. Same thing happened in 'nam. But what if we went out saying OMFGZZZZZ the Japz killed three americans today? Would we have stopped ww2?

You lose.

Racial slurs make you lose all credibility.

You lose.

Racial slurs make you lose all credibility.

You mean the OP didn't do that?

You lose.

Racial slurs make you lose all credibility.

Like you have any bearing on anything :)
And obviously you didn't catch the sarcasm with the OMGGZZZZZ. I see alot of people around here do that, and its thought of as funny.

Henry David Thoreau. he embodies a great deal of the good in "the american spirit", and stood firmly against its myriad faults. he went on to influence Tolstoy, who then influenced Ghandi, who influenced Martin Luther King Jr...and yeah he's basicly indirectly responsible for the majority of improvement in the last century or so.

Like you have any bearing on anything :)
And obviously you didn't catch the sarcasm with the OMGGZZZZZ. I see alot of people around here do that, and its thought of as funny.

No matter how much of that crap you put around it, racial slurs are never funny. Not even when Carlos Mencia does them, and you are no Carlos Mencia.

You misunderstand my point. I am stating that there have been worse people in power, that we have placed in power.

Saddam isn't a great guy, but nonetheless he was pretty much the USAs bitch since the gulf war.

And I find that it is quite funny that our OWN government sold him these supposed WMDs, when we wanted him to go after Iran.

So, though I am not releasing him from guilt, I am saying that guilt shouldnt be placed entirely on him. People seem to forget, the USA is not the innocent creature we like to assume she is. Her hands have been quite blood stained in the past 50 years or so.

Meh, more like past 150 years. Les we not forget what we did to the real Americans. The Native ones. Lets also not forget the totally brutall and in-humane way the Federal soldiers treated Confederate prisoners of war.

Meh, more like past 150 years. Les we not forget what we did to the real Americans. The Native ones. Lets also not forget the totally brutall and in-humane way the Federal soldiers treated Confederate prisoners of war.
Or Japanese-Americans during WWII. Or some Arab-Americans today.

You mean the OP didn't do that?

I like to give second chances.

Like you have any bearing on anything
And obviously you didn't catch the sarcasm with the OMGGZZZZZ. I see alot of people around here do that, and its thought of as funny.

Actually, in that context it wasn't funny at all (or, in fact, obviously a joke). I'll put it down as poor joke-telling ability this time.

Henry David Thoreau. he embodies a great deal of the good in "the american spirit", and stood firmly against its myriad faults. he went on to influence Tolstoy, who then influenced Ghandi, who influenced Martin Luther King Jr...and yeah he's basicly indirectly responsible for the majority of improvement in the last century or so.

Funny though, if he was around today he would probably be arrested for terrorism. In fact, so would the founding fathers. International terrorism, assuming of course that their actions were against the USA.

Remember - One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

No, I dont support terrorism. I dont support violence in ANY context. I am merely demonstrating how the term "terrorist" is completely subjective.

Meh, more like past 150 years. Les we not forget what we did to the real Americans. The Native ones. Lets also not forget the totally brutall and in-humane way the Federal soldiers treated Confederate prisoners of war.

Oh yeah, thats right. Shoot, completely forgot those guys, just like the rest of america. But hey, now Native Americans have casinos. Thanks for reminding me.

And lets not forget the way British sympathisers were treated before and during the revolution. Tar and feathering is not a fun time.

Stewie from family guy.

"Victory is mine!"

Funny though, if he was around today he would probably be arrested for terrorism. In fact, so would the founding fathers. International terrorism, assuming of course that their actions were against the USA.

Remember - One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

No, I dont support terrorism. I dont support violence in ANY context. I am merely demonstrating how the term "terrorist" is completely subjective.

Oh thats definetly true. Many of the founding fathers or freedom fighters of the past would most likley arrested as enemies of the government today, esspecially by the Neo-Cons or the Bush Admin. Quite sad indeed. Of course the Founding Fathers would probably start whoopin some Loyalist ass at that moment, and send the Neo-Cons off to some place like oh lets say, England. But even England is to liberal for them now, so maybe they would do well in like.. Iran...becuase its fundamentalist, and theocratic. Much as how the Neo-Cons love it.

You misunderstand my point. I am stating that there have been worse people in power, that we have placed in power.

Saddam isn't a great guy, but nonetheless he was pretty much the USAs bitch since the gulf war.

And I find that it is quite funny that our OWN government sold him these supposed WMDs, when we wanted him to go after Iran.

So, though I am not releasing him from guilt, I am saying that guilt shouldnt be placed entirely on him. People seem to forget, the USA is not the innocent creature we like to assume she is. Her hands have been quite blood stained in the past 50 years or so.

Agreed, although it must be remembered that the current adminstration was not in power during that time.

As a side note, I think America's doing pretty decently in terms of bloodied hands in comparison to other nations' reigns as a world superpower. Take England for example. :p

Neocon pride, I'd really like to know, just whose puppet are you? Don't give that "I'm not a puppet! I'm a real boy!" bit. I've seen your earlier posts and they seemed to have been intended to poke fun at the right. So just who are you?

We now return live to the topic of the thread. I don't like the idea of hero worship or heroes in general. I hate most celebrities.

From my LJ friend's journal:
I'm afraid that your friend is mistaken on two points, misrepresenting the other, and doesn't make sense on the third.

The media rarely mentions the schools or hospitals the Americans have built there.
Misrepresentation. News is not that dog bites man, but that man bites dog. Bodies tend to be slightly more interesting to the public than a school opening.

This holds true in the United States where only local news will cover the opening of a school or hospital, but national will cover a lot of bodies or a bomb going off.


The media overlooks the fact that the women there are finally for the first time being allowed to seek an education.
Mistake number 1: Iraq actually had a functioning education system that covered both men and women, a number of whom were highly respected (Read A Sky So Close). Currently however, religious hardliners who had been controled by Saddam are threatening schools that dare to teach women, we're actually causing the reverse to happen.

The media overlooks that there was an 80 some odd percent approval (I think it was 86%) rating for the US going there by those in Iraq.
Mistake number 2, while I reconize the sentence reads was 86%, currently the majority of Iraqis would like us out.

The media overlooks that the Geneva Conventions do not even allow for US interrogators to use 'stress positions' or anything else to obtain information that could protect lives.
And finally the old stand-by, we have to tortue, it could save lives. No futher comment needed, really.

For my heros, I count the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and a number of my teachers and mentor as mine.

Neocon pride, I'd really like to know, just whose puppet are you? Don't give that "I'm not a puppet! I'm a real boy!" bit. I've seen your earlier posts and they seemed to have been intended to poke fun at the right. So just who are you?

We now return live to the topic of the thread. I don't like the idea of hero worship or heroes in general. I hate most celebrities.


I AM NOT A PUPPET!!!! Now,if you excuse me, I am going to bed. Its way past bed time :(

I AM NOT A PUPPET!!!! Now,if you excuse me, I am going to bed. Its way past bed time :(

well I am betting that "you are a crook."

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill KG &c.

I am prepared to meet my maker. Whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.

Mine would be and always Douglas Bader..

Where are you from Rhodie?

I'm going to go with Jesus.

Son of God, not Son of God, whatever. The man/god/whatever won't offend people knew how to rouse rabble and how to (mostly) talk sensibly.

haha i know this is random but my person hero is stalinhes preety fucking awesome u gotta admit

LOL, I got back from the gym and read to catch up -- then I realized, with all the bitching I did about neocons I never answered the OP. My hero is my dad.

haha i know this is random but my person hero is stalinhes preety fucking awesome u gotta admit

... don't feed the troll ... gotta feed the troll ... don't feed the troll ...

[psyche snaps]

I weep for the world.

sadam was a preety awesome leader he dreamnt of unitingall of arabia into one socialist nation whitch would have solved alot of todays problems with extremists and the lot he also preached religous freedom and exceptance, the fact of the matter is america does what it wants when it wants because it thinks it can get away with it plz tell me what did sadam do that was so bad? there is no proof he ever killed any masive amount of kurds and the kurds he did kill where rebels anyway so its there job to kill rebels,the entire invasion is illegitamit and false and the fact is whatever chance iraq had of being a decent nation is now totally fucked good work america!

Thomas Paine
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

For someone a bit more modern, Woody Allen ranks pretty high up there.
"I do occasionally envy the person who is religious naturally, without being brainwashed into it or suckered into it by all the organized hustles."

My hero when I was a kid was Peter Daicos, an Aussie Rules footy player.

Stalin - his power as General Secretary was absolute in name as well as in reality.

During his reigh (for lack of a better word) his power was almost as much a mortal can possess.

He's a bit insane as well. Once he signed a death warrant for 500 people at the opera - while crying about a dying character on stage.

*Resists urge to track down and slaughter all those who have chosen Stalin as their hero*

Mine would have to be the great Hungarian revolutionary Pal Maleter. He stuck it to the Russians and I'm related to him (if only by marriage) as well.

Who is your hero?

Meskiagkasher (biblical Cush), king of Uruk, who after 3050 BCE became an seafaring explorer and conqueror to spread Sumerian culture all around the Arabian peninsula to Africa and thus also triggered the evolution of Egyptian culture. He also was a follower of the original Yah, not the distorted and made up version from the bible.
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Here are some of my heroes

R. Lee Emery

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/pitbull24/r-lee-emery.jpg

Howard Hughes Jr.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/howard-hughes/202346.2.jpg

Coach Cole (the guy who got me intrested in history)

no pictures

My Dad

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/PAY5353/Random%20Pictures/April2006055.jpg

why would u hate stalin i mean seriosuly what kinda gangster motherf***er turns around a backwards medevil socitey into a moden economic giant,defeats all of his politcal enemies,and then turns around a outdated army and defeats the most efficent fighting force the world has seen since the time of ceaser (the german army)

why would u hate stalin i mean seriosuly what kinda gangster motherf***er turns around a backwards medevil socitey into a moden economic giant,defeats all of his politcal enemies,and then turns around a outdated army and defeats the most efficent fighting force the world has seen since the time of ceaser (the german army)

I stopped reading after "gangster mother..."

why would u hate stalin i mean seriosuly what kinda gangster motherf***er turns around a backwards medevil socitey into a moden economic giant,defeats all of his politcal enemies,and then turns around a outdated army and defeats the most efficent fighting force the world has seen since the time of ceaser (the german army)

Oh I dunno, maybe because he was the leader of arguably the most evil regime in history?

It's fun to admire evil when you haven't been touched by it. What happens when it fucks over your family?

Isambard Kingdom Brunel was pretty awesome.

Leonardo da Vinci wasn't bad either.

That Chinese guy who stood in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square.

I stopped reading after "gangster mother..."

I think it's a DoS -- I asked in Moderation, but no answer as of yet. Either way, it's taking a lot not to feed the troll. LOL

I think it's a DoS -- I asked in Moderation, but no answer as of yet. Either way, it's taking a lot not to feed the troll. LOL

What's DoS?

What's DoS?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504534

[QUOTE=Bolondgomba;11863198]Oh I dunno, maybe because he was the leader of arguably the most evil regime in history?

It's fun to admire evil when you haven't been touched by it. What happens when it fucks over your family?[/QUOTE

there is no such thing as evil,we created it that regime was very efficent not neccercairly evil he killed, and deported people to work camps who apposed him thats not evil its just very smart tell me if u had a country of that size that far behind the world what would have u done he had some hard desicons to make and he made them for the good of the soviet union

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504534

ahh, so a troll that never gives up.

ahh, so a troll that never gives up.

Indeed. :)

[QUOTE=Lord danziel;11863207
there is no such thing as evil,we created it that regime was very efficent not neccercairly evil he killed, and deported people to work camps who apposed him thats not evil its just very smart tell me if u had a country of that size that far behind the world what would have u done he had some hard desicons to make and he made them for the good of the soviet union[/QUOTE]

He may have done it for the good of the Soviet union (who came to despise Stalin BTW), but he also forced the nations he conquered to bend over and count the shower tiles. And this was after they "liberated" these nations.

And please use something resembling grammar. That sentence makes my eyes water.

the soviet union never dispissed stalin they loved him when he commited the purges in the 1930's people used to wail out in disaprair "if only stalin new about this he would save us" the fact is the people loved stalin thats why so many went to the great mans funeral

the soviet union never dispissed stalin they loved him when he commited the purges in the 1930's people used to wail out in disaprair "if only stalin new about this he would save us" the fact is the people loved stalin thats why so many went to the great mans funeral

Must......not.....feed......troll.

... don't feed the troll ... gotta feed the troll ... don't feed the troll ...

[psyche snaps]

I weep for the world.

Still true. :p

the soviet union never dispissed stalin they loved him when he commited the purges in the 1930's people used to wail out in disaprair "if only stalin new about this he would save us" the fact is the people loved stalin thats why so many went to the great mans funeral


You have proven you know nothing.

I believe the reason many went to Stalin's funeral is to make sure he was dead, and see whether it was true the devil would personally come to collect his soul.

u know if i wanted to be called a troll id go play world of warcraft

if u wana argue with me fine but if your just gonna sit there and be a ignorant noob im afriad im gonna have to b a ignornt jew two

Quite simply you have provoked people by:

1) Calling an evil man a hero, no matter what your misguided opinion is
2) Using nothing resembling sentence structure and grammar. This is not counterstrike and no-one is going to pwn you.

My Uncle Mary's sister Steven's son Charlotte.

how was stalin evil?

how was stalin evil?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

oh dear...

I know some lithuanians who have grandparents who view the Nazis as the *good* guys, as their main historical comparison was Stalin... And while the Nazis executed their friends and familes with machine guns that pales into insignificance with the horrors inflicted upon them by Stalin.

how was stalin evil?
From the American Heritage Dictionary:

e·vil
adj. e·vil·er, e·vil·est
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.
I do believe that Stalin met all five definitions, if they are to be used as criteria.

how was stalin evil?

Did you completely miss the part where he ENGINEERED FAMINES and WIPED OUT VILLAGES all apparently in the name of this "national progress" you love him for.

Not to mention how he "valiantly" liberated the nations of Eastern europe and then allowed his soldiers to rape, pillage and murder?

Heroes? Don't really have any. People I look up to? Weell...

among others:

M. Gandhi
Oskar Schindler
Paul Rusesabagina
Raoul Wallenberg

And an unnamed Danish lawyer.

well heres the thing i recon stalin was awesome personally and whether u fags all like it or not the world needed him.Without stalins awesome leadership hitler udoubtly would have one the second world war and for me that would be awesome because im german and my family fought in ss waffen units anyway
and isint Oskar Schindler a german tratior to the jews if he is who i think he is hes a filthy tratior

well heres the thing i recon stalin was awesome personally and whether u fags all like it or not the world needed him.Without stalins awesome leadership hitler udoubtly would have one the second world war and for me that would be awesome because im german and my family fought in ss waffen units anyway
and isint Oskar Schindler a german tratior to the jews if he is who i think he is hes a filthy tratior

You actually managed to contradict yourself without even having to waste a second sentence, I congratulate you on your careful use of the English language, after all we don't want it wearing out through over-use now do we?

stalin was what was needed at the time the world needed that brutality and and leadership to lead it through the roughest years in mankinds history and yea he was evil but was he more evil than hitler?

i myself liked hitler so i wouldnt have minded if he one but for u americans and so on it would have sucked

stalin was what was needed at the time the world needed that brutality and and leadership to lead it through the roughest years in mankinds history and yea he was evil but was he more evil than hitler?
He killed about four times as many people, and the gulags were easily as bad if not worse than the concentration camps.

And he did not even need to kill them. He just wanted to.

Lunatic Goofballs :)

stalin was what was needed at the time the world needed that brutality and and leadership to lead it through the roughest years in mankinds history and yea he was evil but was he more evil than hitler?

Once you get to the kind of extreme that those two managed I think the question of who was worse becomes a little moot. They were both absolute bastards and history will always remember them as such.

the name hitler will be allways linked together with germany because the first thing most people think of when u i say germany is hitler and nazi's not evil

the name hitler will be allways linked together with germany because the first thing most people think of when u i say germany is hitler and nazi's not evil

Have you not had any news in your community since 1946?

Oh come on...

At least put some effort into trolling.

the name hitler will be allways linked together with germany because the first thing most people think of when u i say germany is hitler and nazi's not evil


nah. beer guts and hairy armpits (on women).

nah. beer guts and hairy armpits (on women).

I lost my virginity with a german girl. She had hairy armpits.

well heres the thing i recon stalin was awesome personally and whether u fags all like it or not the world needed him.Without stalins awesome leadership hitler udoubtly would have one the second world war and for me that would be awesome because im german and my family fought in ss waffen units anyway
and isint Oskar Schindler a german tratior to the jews if he is who i think he is hes a filthy tratior


Would it really kill you to write a proper sentance? L33tspeak is less retarded than this.

If by "Stalin's awesome leadership" you mean "stopped running the army himself and gave control to his generals" then I totally agree with you. Up until that point, Stalin was losing against the Germans.

So you're German are you? Did you know Stalin actually ran part of your country for a while? Perhaps you should ask a real German patriot how they felt about communist rule.

I lost my virginity with a german girl. She had hairy armpits.

Nice.

Strange... I always think of blond pigtailed busty milkmaids in corsetts when Germany is mentioned.

Course I also think about them when germany is not mentioned too.

Nice.

Hey, it was the 90's. Things were so much more liberal then.

Reinhold Messner, greatest mountaineer/explorer.
Any National Geographic readers, there is a big article about him this month.

But they didn't want democracy. They weren't ready for it. We forced it on them. Now the Iraqi people and my fellow soldiers and sailors are paying the price for it.

It's like throwing a kid in the pool to sink or swim, then yelling at him for sinking. He didn't want to be in the pool in the first place!

And by the way, I think you might be confusing the war in Iraq with the war on terrorism -- they are not the same thing. I'm not *sure* that you're confusing them, and I apologize if I'm wrong on that point, but it's the impression I got.

I am going to have to remember that analogy ... thats a good one

Mine is Rush Limbaugh. He is the bright beacon that emulates all that is good, wholesome and republican. If only more people in the media could be like him, then we'd all be happy and well informed.

Who is your hero?

WTF?!?

ROFLMFAO!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHa breathe HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA breathe HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

passes out

Are you kidding? "all that is good, wholesome and republican"??? He has blinders to see only what is "republican". He's no better than any of the other democrat or republican media zealots blindly following their political masters.

Alexander the Great!

He rocked the casbah, regardless of all his faults.

And for those that wonder why, here is a link to an oath he made at Opis in 324BC. http://www.qsl.net/sv2ael/sv2ael.files/alexander/the_oath.htm

Ruffy is my hero.

the name hitler will be allways linked together with germany because the first thing most people think of when u i say germany is hitler and nazi's not evil

I prefer to think of Heidi Klum first.

I prefer to think of Heidi Klum first.

Or Hasslehoff ;)

Or Hasslehoff ;)

Hasselhoff? I got your Hasselhoff right here!

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6812/hasselhoff1hq.gif

:eek: Hasselhoff? I got your Hasselhoff right here!

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6812/hasselhoff1hq.gif

AHHHHHH!!!!!

this must be what a hip hop concert feels like....

Actually, isn't what the OP is doing more accurately flamebaiting? You know, posting crap designed to start fights and flamewars?

Hasselhoff? I got your Hasselhoff right here!

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6812/hasselhoff1hq.gif

MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!! *gouges out eyes*

hmmm.....

Somewhere inbetween Stephen Fry, William Hague and Adam Lazarra.

Daniel Shays. I read an article about him and his rebellion in the latest issue of Hustler magazine. Yes, they have articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Shays
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays'_Rebellion

Who is your hero?

I don't have "heros." To emulate another human being, or to place them on some sort of pedestal, is to set yourself up for bitter disappointment. Humans are fallible and prone to error, regardless of who they are.

e·vil

1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful...
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper. .Ok.. So Chaves was rigth about BUSH after all.

......I'd put Stalin above Rush. ....




The frightening part is-you arent kidding. Ignorant or hysterical ?

Ok.. So Chaves was rigth about BUSH after all.

Yes, of course, troll. Run along.

My hero is better than your heros.

http://www.nndb.com/people/671/000031578/sid-vicious-sm.jpg

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

Ok.. So Chaves was rigth about BUSH after all.

LOL, no one seemed to say Chavez was wrong, just that he shouldn't have said it in public. :) I'm not disagreeing with you, though.

Myself, because I make my own beer.

My hero is my father.

I hope I can be half the Man/Father/Husband he is, when I grow up.

Honest & strong-he is the one all family and friends go to with problems for advice or solutions.

LOL, no one seemed to say Chavez was wrong, just that he shouldn't have said it in public. :) I'm not disagreeing with you, though.

chavez was blathering to a gaggle of braying jackasses.

he's a manipulative scum bag and the United Nations should be ashamed of themselves for allowing that type of theatrics to go on their stage-he should have gotten the hook.

but it made President Bush detractors shudder with glee.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of those detractors wank to it. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't be surprised if some of those detractors wank to it. :rolleyes:

its likely, amongst the small percentage whom arent impotent.

chavez was blathering to a gaggle of braying jackasses.

he's a manipulative scum bag and the United Nations should be ashamed of themselves for allowing that type of theatrics to go on their stage-he should have gotten the hook.

but it made President Bush detractors shudder with glee.

Again, there's no assertion that Chavez was mistaken in his assessment here. All I see is ZOMFG! YOU CAN'T CALL HIM THAT!!!111!!!eleven!!

Again, there's no assertion that Chavez was mistaken in his assessment here. All I see is ZOMFG! YOU CAN'T CALL HIM THAT!!!111!!!eleven!!

And all I see here is a troll. :rolleyes:

My hero is my plastic surgeon.

And all I see here is a troll. :rolleyes:

How so?

Who is your hero?

My heroes are the Haymarket martyrs. People executed after a kangaroo court held by people like Rush Limbaugh.

My hero is my plastic surgeon.

There are surgeons made of plastic? :eek:

There are little people made of plastic. Why couldn't one of them be a surgeon?

sadam was a preety awesome leader he dreamnt of unitingall of arabia into one socialist nation whitch would have solved alot of todays problems with extremists and the lot he also preached religous freedom and exceptance, the fact of the matter is america does what it wants when it wants because it thinks it can get away with it plz tell me what did sadam do that was so bad? there is no proof he ever killed any masive amount of kurds and the kurds he did kill where rebels anyway so its there job to kill rebels,the entire invasion is illegitamit and false and the fact is whatever chance iraq had of being a decent nation is now totally fucked good work america!

Do you usually use such bad grammar and spelling? Or are you just trying to annoy everyone as no one, not even 10 year olds, constantly join words together when they type. I could type better English when I was 7. You're obviously faking the opinions and the stupidity/illiteracy, and I'm guessing it doesn't fool anyone.

My grandma.

She was better than all your stupid pop icon heroes put together.

Mine is Rush Limbaugh. He is the bright beacon that emulates all that is good, wholesome and republican. If only more people in the media could be like him, then we'd all be happy and well informed.

Who is your hero?

(Snort)

You're talking about Rush Limbaugh, right?

My hero is my dad.

PBTW: You're a fucking troll.

My hero is better than your heros.

http://www.nndb.com/people/671/000031578/sid-vicious-sm.jpg

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

Jah Wobble is better.

In all seriousness, this guy is one of my heros:

http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~bump/fr/chimerie/SC/Jesus.jpg

or this guy:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/20-9.jpg

or Jesus even if He's a different colour. In short, Jesus.

Do you usually use such bad grammar and spelling? Or are you just trying to annoy everyone as no one, not even 10 year olds, constantly join words together when they type. I could type better English when I was 7. You're obviously faking the opinions and the stupidity/illiteracy, and I'm guessing it doesn't fool anyone.

He takes it further. Other heroes include Hitler and Stalin. He's apparently German and wouldn't have cared who won WW2 because they both 'rock'.

It's really scary when you can't tell if people like this are joking or no :(

Mine is Rush Limbaugh. He is the bright beacon that emulates all that is good, wholesome and republican. If only more people in the media could be like him, then we'd all be happy and well informed.

Who is your hero?

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Richard Nixon
3. Ollie North
4. Patton
5. Dwight Eisenhower

There are surgeons made of plastic? :eek:

*nods*

Or Hasslehoff ;)

You asked for it!!

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7633/hasselhofflove7qq.jpg

http://www.lfsforum.net/images/smilies/uglyhammer.gif

http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drum7/neilpeart.jpg

Not a hero, per se, but he's been a huge inspiration on my life in the past three months. I guess one could say that Neil Peart is the closest thing I'll have to a "hero". It's not just his skill as a percussionist... It's his insight, his demeanor, his drive, and his will to go on after so much has happened to him.

Reflecting on his life has made me come to terms with my own. This road might have some bumps, and possibly some steep plunges. But, if you have the determination, you can move on, because better things will happen.
You know that Neil Peart is an Objectivist right? :D

Ironic because I can't fucking stand Rush. But still: Keith Moon > Neil Peart.

You asked for it!!

<Snippage of ugly, ugly Hoff puppy love>

http://www.lfsforum.net/images/smilies/uglyhammer.gif

No No No!!!!!!!

*Runs away screaming*

He's not hero-like at all, and that pic just really compounds that fact. :(

1. Joe Public (AKA John Q. Random)
2. John Graham Mellor
3. Friedrich Nietzsche
4. Philip Kindred Dick
5. Rosa Luxembourg

Pale Male, bridging the all-too-wide gap between avians and humans.

Mohandas K. Gandhi, easily.

Thich Quang Duc.

He's a bit insane as well. Once he signed a death warrant for 500 people at the opera - while crying about a dying character on stage.

heh, and art reigns supreme over even psychotic dictators. the pen is mightier than the sword - (though rather less likely to be useful in a survival situation)

There is a reason for being in Iraq. That is we stopped the massacre of people by a ruthless dictator.

I fail to see a significant difference between the massacre of people by a ruthless dictator and the massacre of people by a democratic nation. I don't think the dead really care if the bombs and bullets responsible for their demise were "free".

Well they might not have security, but thats ok, because they now have democracy

if the Iraqi people wanted to trade the lives of their families for the right to vote, they would have done so without "help".

Dick Trickle.

Meh, more like past 150 years. Les we not forget what we did to the real Americans. The Native ones. Lets also not forget the totally brutall and in-humane way the Federal soldiers treated Confederate prisoners of war.

one might also mention what Sherman did marching through the south - he seems to have been emulating the romans conquering carthage...bleh - when I lived up north my elementary school taught me it was about freeing the slaves - when I moved to the south my elementary school told me it was about state's rights...I'm rather more inclined to believe the southerners, though as a Pennsylvania Quaker I would likely have not had a warm reception from the south...or the north for that matter. bleh.

Or Japanese-Americans during WWII. Or some Arab-Americans today.

Funny though, if he was around today he would probably be arrested for terrorism. In fact, so would the founding fathers. International terrorism, assuming of course that their actions were against the USA.

Remember - One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

No, I dont support terrorism. I dont support violence in ANY context. I am merely demonstrating how the term "terrorist" is completely subjective.

terrorist? eh - I understand where you're coming from, but can a complete pacifist be construed as a terrorist, even by the most rediculous stretch? I'm perfectly willing to say that "their" terrorist and "our" freedom fighters are both men who kill others. there's no difference - both in the wrong. as far as I'm concerned a soul outlasts even the most enduring of nations.

You have never met a mere mortal...Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat.

it's simply not worth demonising another person for something as short-lived and likely to fail as a government, principle, culture...whatever.

Oh yeah, thats right. Shoot, completely forgot those guys, just like the rest of america. But hey, now Native Americans have casinos. Thanks for reminding me.

And lets not forget the way British sympathisers were treated before and during the revolution. Tar and feathering is not a fun time.

yeah, and what did the revolution accomplish in terms of democracy and civil rights? the british abolished slavery before the americans did, and have a more effective political system than the US does now - without the bloody revolution. heh, I love the Daily Show's segments on british vs american political debates...some days it seems like debate in the legislature here in the states hasn't progressed much beyond the incident I learned about in arkansas history...our first state legislature ended when the speaker of the house stabbed another legislator with his bowie-knife. :headbang: :rolleyes: despite the fact our politicians have learned to be slightly more polite, they haven't really progressed beyond that point in terms of productive decision making...

General Freyberg and all the men of the 'Ball of Fire'!

What about democracy? Who said "THose that favour security above freedom, deserve neither?"Well they might not have security, but thats ok, because they now have democracy

Well, it makes sense philosphically, but out there in that great macrocosm called the world, it's fucking senseless. People are getting killed out there, and you are a desensitized moron for bringing this up.

my heros are my friends i think. there's no one i hold in higher regard than them, except maybe my little sister but she's a friends as well.