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look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

I promise you, there are klansmen in NYC.

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

The KKK are still in the US... in all of it. They may wave different flags now, or make claim to a different platform... but they still exist. Even in NYC, I suspect.

Grits are the real evil.

I don’t know what grits are.
Country music has unfortunately not included real banjos for quite some time.
Tim McGraw is pretty popular, but not currently as much as Keith Urban.
There isn’t much overt racism in my area, and I’ve certainly never heard of any Klan meetings.

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

I grew up in Oklahoma, I moved to Arizona for a while, and you know what? It was pretty much the same other than the landscape and plants, trade red dirt for brown, plains for mountains, oak trees for cacti, and it's all the same.

There were grits, banjos, people who listen to country music, illegal immigrants (only a lot more 10 miles from the border than there are in OK), and yeah, there probably are klansmen, they tend not to advertise though.

Banjos in places, and grits in most. Tim McGraw probably midway between those two. Still some KKK, though not nearly as much as there used to be and let me let you in on a little secret--there's plenty of racism in NYC as well, so be careful about how low down your nose you look at us.

As to the rest of the south, we've also got the best food and music of any region, great literature and art and thriving metropolises and culture that you could only dream of. I'll put New Orleans up against New York on any day of the week--they're a twentieth of the size but have a thousand times the soul.

Banjos in places, and grits in most. Tim McGraw probably midway between those two. Still some KKK, though not nearly as much as there used to be and let me let you in on a little secret--there's plenty of racism in NYC as well, so be careful about how low down your nose you look at us.

As to the rest of the south, we've also got the best food and music of any region, great literature and art and thriving metropolises and culture that you could only dream of. I'll put New Orleans up against New York on any day of the week--they're a twentieth of the size but have a thousand times the soul.

Still got nothin on Boston :cool:

I don’t know what grits are.


Grits is what happens when you grind up cereal products to try to replicate the look, feel and taste of someone sneezing in your mouth.

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

I live in Florida. Occasionally I've seen grits served in restaurants, and I've eaten them at home (it's okay with sugar). As to the other things, no. There really isn't, at least not here. There are plenty of country music fans around here, though. It annoys me personally, but I guess some people like it.

not in my area i gurantee where white is like, 15% (estimate from me), white christians 10% white christian protestant fundamentalist radical sumpremist etc. .00??? who knows?

Grits is what happens when you grind up cereal products to try to replicate the look, feel and taste of someone sneezing in your mouth.

to be more specific, grits are hominy, or corn. It's like if you made oatmeal out of corn.

they are really really gross, I don't know anyone who eats them outside of the most redneck of redneck of my family.

Banjos in places, and grits in most. Tim McGraw probably midway between those two. Still some KKK, though not nearly as much as there used to be and let me let you in on a little secret--there's plenty of racism in NYC as well, so be careful about how low down your nose you look at us.

As to the rest of the south, we've also got the best food and music of any region, great literature and art and thriving metropolises and culture that you could only dream of. I'll put New Orleans up against New York on any day of the week--they're a twentieth of the size but have a thousand times the soul.

aww... im not mean like the stereotypical nyc'er (whatever) i don't look down at you, rly.

to be more specific, grits are hominy, or corn. It's like if you made oatmeal out of corn.

they are really really gross, I don't know anyone who eats them outside of the most redneck of redneck of my family.Yeah, but I learned on American Eats that they make up the basis for Yuengling Beer, so they're not all bad.

not in my area i gurantee where white is like, 15% (estimate from me), white christians 10% white christian protestant fundamentalist radical sumpremist etc. .00??? who knows?

maybe for your neighborhood, but within NYC, yeah. It's there. In every part of the US, I'd argue...it is there in some form.

aww... im not mean like the stereotypical nyc'er (whatever) i don't look down at you, rly.

Well nothing personal, but that's how the post read.

Grits is what happens when you grind up cereal products to try to replicate the look, feel and taste of someone sneezing in your mouth.

why everyone hatin on grits? i still eat grits, its not that bad.

Yeah, but I learned on American Eats that they make up the basis for Yuengling Beer, so they're not all bad.

nope, not all bad.

when you mill corn (grind it up) and pass it through the sieve (strainer) the small parts are corn meal (corn flour) that I use in cooking quite a bit as an alternative to wheat flour, the part that stays up top, the big part is called (around here anyway) grit.

To cook Grits, you make a smushy mess of it, and top it with butter, sugar and cinnamin, and try not to vomit it back up when you taste it. ;)

I promise you, there are klansmen in NYC.

As I understand it, when the Klan was at its height the state with the highest membership was Indiana. Not exactly a southern state.

Oh, hell. We have klansmen here in Maine even though we have almost none of the groups of people they hate.

nope, not all bad.

when you mill corn (grind it up) and pass it through the seive (strainer) the small parts are corn meal (corn flour) that I use in cooking quite a bit as an alternative to wheat flour, the part that stays up top, the big part is called (around here anyway) grit.

To cook Grits, you make a smushy mess of it, and top it with butter, sugar and cinnamin, and try not to vomit it back up when you taste it. ;)
Oh, I know. My ex-wife was a big fan. I figure anything that congeals into a hockey puck when it gets lukewarm isn't meant for human consumption.

to be more specific, grits are hominy, or corn. It's like if you made oatmeal out of corn.

they are really really gross, I don't know anyone who eats them outside of the most redneck of redneck of my family.

I eat them. Really good if you mix in with sunny side up eggs. :) Anyway OP, there's KKK graffiti all over the bathrooms here (southern Georgia). No banjos. Not like people see on T.V. Just talk a little slower and think a little faster. ;)

Oh, I know. My ex-wife was a big fan. I figure anything that congeals into a hockey puck when it gets lukewarm isn't meant for human consumption.

a lot of the food around here has that property.....I assure you the trick is not to let it get lukewarm....at least not in front of the kids, they see it and you are down one menu item.

Oh, hell. We have klansmen here in Maine even though we have almost none of the groups of people they hate.

That's generally the case isn't it? People fear what they aren't exposed to--that's why Mexican immigration is apparently a big issue in Pennsylvania.

why everyone hatin on grits? i still eat grits, its not that bad.

That's not 'hatin' on grits. I don't hate them, I just acknowledge the fact that they are one of the greatest evils in existence.

Eat grits all you like, it doesn't make you a bad person. Just a sick, wrong, one... ;)

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.You don't see much of that. Then again, I haven't been around the more rural parts of Virginia much; all I know comes from Charlottesville and the immediate surroundings.

To cook Grits, you make a smushy mess of it, and top it with butter, sugar and cinnamin, and try not to vomit it back up when you taste it. ;)

That's the other thing, though.

Grits with salt, tastes like salt. Grits with butter tastes like butter. Grits with salt AND butter tastes like salty butter.

Why not just eat salty butter, and not end up with simulated mucus in your mouth?

I liked grits as a sidedish. Probably even more so because people didn't know how to fry or boil potatoes.

and we all wear 10 gallon hats and ride horses to school in texas....

That's the other thing, though.

Grits with salt, tastes like salt. Grits with butter tastes like butter. Grits with salt AND butter tastes like salty butter.

Why not just eat salty butter, and not end up with simulated mucus in your mouth?

that's what I said.

I liked grits as a sidedish. Probably even more so because people didn't know how to fry or boil potatos.
You know you can fry your own potatoes......I could teach you. Do you know where to get lard?

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

Country music is pretty popular throughout the entire nation. Grits are awesome. Tim McGraw is also awesome. KKK is also scattered thoughout the entire country.

My personal opinion of NYC isn't that great either.

Generalization: NYC thinks they're better than everybody else. They don't think the country can run without them.

Bottom Line: Damned Yankees........ :D

Oh, hell. We have klansmen here in Maine even though we have almost none of the groups of people they hate.

the KKK was very big in maine at the turn of the last century. obviously it had nothing to do with keeping african americans in line there were so few black people that it wasnt worth anyones while. (when i was growing up i could count the number of black people i had SEEN in person on one hand)

the KKK is also virulently anti-catholic. they were going after the french catholics and catholic immigrants.

Country music is pretty popular throughout the entire nation. Grits are awesome. Tim McGraw is also awesome. KKK is also scattered thoughout the entire country.

My personal opinion of NYC isn't that great either.

Generalization: NYC thinks they're better than everybody else. They don't think the country can run without them.

Bottom Line: Damned Yankees........ :D
I don't think that at all. Just because I happen to love living in NYC doesn't mean I don't like the rest of the country. The whole ny-centrism thing is a bit overblown...although, so are basically all sterotypes, period.

That's generally the case isn't it? People fear what they aren't exposed to--that's why Mexican immigration is apparently a big issue in Pennsylvania.

i agree completly

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

I live in the Suburbs, right near a big city, and there are pretty much the same type of stuff as u metioned here too (minus the banjos). My best friend is a huge country music fan, and there are kkk (I hte to think about it) around here too.

Country music is pretty popular throughout the entire nation. Grits are awesome. Tim McGraw is also awesome. KKK is also scattered thoughout the entire country.

My personal opinion of NYC isn't that great either.

Generalization: NYC thinks they're better than everybody else. They don't think the country can run without them.

Bottom Line: Damned Yankees........ :D

sheesh..i saw this coming. no i dont rly look down at anyone, i think other places are just as cool in their own way. however im glad im far from white hoods (besides graduation caps or raincoats where the designer had poor taste)

the KKK was very big in maine at the turn of the last century. obviously it had nothing to do with keeping african americans in line there were so few black people that it wasnt worth anyones while. (when i was growing up i could count the number of black people i had SEEN in person on one hand)

the KKK is also virulently anti-catholic. they were going after the french catholics and catholic immigrants.

Wow, note to self: cross maine off vacation list unless accompinied by a white protestant friend.

Wow, note to self: cross maine off vacation list unless accompinied by a white protestant friend.

did i mention that i was born in 1957?

things have changed immensely since i was a kid.

crossing maine off your list would be as stupid as deciding to never visit alabama. you would be missing so much.

did i mention that i was born in 1957?

things have changed immensely since i was a kid.

crossing maine off your list would be as stupid as deciding to never visit alabama. you would be missing so much.
Meh. I've been through Alabama recently. Maine sounds much more interesting, as long as it's not winter. ;)

You know you can fry your own potatoes......I could teach you. Do you know where to get lard?
Fry my own taters at the restaurant might upset the cook, though. And because they didn't know how to cook/fry taters the way I preferred them I switched to grits.

I know how to cook, fry, and bake. And lard ain't part of fried taters here! I prefer goose lard on bread with roasted onions and a pinch of salt.

Meh. I've been through Alabama recently. Maine sounds much more interesting, as long as it's not winter. ;)

its a completely different experience

its looking like im going to be going to maine next summer. my neice got married recently and if her husband makes it back from iraq safely we are going to have the big celebration they had to skip.

I promise you, there are klansmen in NYC.

They held a rally in Cleveland

The KKK years ago tried to adopt a highway down here in Florida. Lawmakers stopped it, though.

The KKK years ago tried to adopt a highway down here in Florida. Lawmakers stopped it, though.

I have to admit, if they'd done it, I'd be tempted to litter the everloving shit out of that stretch of road.

If you go to little hick towns that aren't on maps, that's pretty accurate. However, it's also the case everywhere, not just the south.

If you go to little hick towns that aren't on maps, that's pretty accurate. However, it's also the case everywhere, not just the south.

Is it necessary to show your prejudice of America's small towns?

I grew up in Oklahoma, I moved to Arizona for a while, and you know what? It was pretty much the same other than the landscape and plants, trade red dirt for brown, plains for mountains, oak trees for cacti, and it's all the same.

There were grits, banjos, people who listen to country music, illegal immigrants (only a lot more 10 miles from the border than there are in OK), and yeah, there probably are klansmen, they tend not to advertise though.

There are no god damned grits in Arizona!

Well, I suppose some resturants sell them, I think Waffle House does.

At any rate, everyone except people who live in Phoenix are hicks so that explains it. :)

Take, for example, our local KKK. The "minuteman project."

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

I'm hardly considered a "standard southerner" (I outright refuse to consider myself a southerner, period), as I grew up with and around people from the Northeast and the upper-Midwest. However, I'll answer your post anyway.


1: Grits, while tasty, aren't a very common food here (Texas). Cream of wheat is much more common, and it just tastes better (in my opinion, anyway).

2: Banjos aren't common at all in this state, but you can find them in Arkansas and Kentucky. Whether or not you actually want to go to either of those states is entirely up to you...

3: Tim McGraw... His name rings a bell, so that says something about his general popularity. Toby Keith, on the other hand, is massively popular here, as he appears on Ford commercials almost year-round. It's pretty tasteless and disgusting, actually.

4: Yes, there are KKK rings in this state, some being around my area (Houston). There was a KKK rally near city hall last year, though most of the people here absolutely detest those scum.

5: Well, there are probably Klansmen in New York City, though I assure you they keep a very low profile, seeing how the city is literally packed with social libertarians.


I hope that cleared some things up for you. As for me, I'd love to visit (and possibly live in) New York City. I hear mostly good things about it, plus the people I've known who grew up there are great. And don't get me started on the cheesecake!

Is it necessary to show your prejudice of America's small towns?

Come back to me after you're stuck in some random Louisiana overnight because they shut their phones off after 5 PM. ;)

Country music is pretty popular throughout the entire nation. Grits are awesome. Tim McGraw is also awesome. KKK is also scattered thoughout the entire country.

My personal opinion of NYC isn't that great either.

Generalization: NYC thinks they're better than everybody else. They don't think the country can run without them.

Bottom Line: Damned Yankees........ :D

Well, I'd just like to make a few comments to Nazz (who I generally admire and appreciate his comments) and King.... The bottom line is there is a lot more fear of the "others" round your parts than their is in ours. I'm a mixed kid of guy with my Dad's family all from the NY (State and City) area and Mom's from the south (TN, SC, AL). With that being said I have to laugh a bit at some of the subversive hate you tried to hold back when thinking about we "damned yankees." I'll keep my words for King B very brief, there's a reason Al Quaeda didn't attack West Virginia. NYC is not only the financial capital of this country but the world. Be as envious of that as you want but it surely puts a much bigger bulls-eye on our buildings than it does your corn field. So while the whole country might not fall without NYC, it would be one hell of a stumble and crawling act to get back up. No amount of licking your wounds will make that fact any less true. The truth may hurt, but that doesn't make me hate the south.
Nazz, oh my dear and sweet Nazz.

"As to the rest of the south, we've also got the best food and music of any region, great literature and art and thriving metropolises and culture that you could only dream of. I'll put New Orleans up against New York on any day of the week--they're a twentieth of the size but have a thousand times the soul."

All of these things are in your opinion an I respect that, but have you ever been to NYC? For more than a day?

Food? Please tell me where the best Thai, Korean, Czeck, Mediteranian, Cuban (besides Miami) Indian, Italian food is in the south? Going to nyc is an eclectic mix of the most culturally diverse place on Earth. Nowhere will you find people of more diverse culture living in harmony in one small place. The reason we have such a fine variety of different foods is because we have those types of people living there. I challenge you to compare any reputable food magazine (Zagat, etc.) that will put NYC eateries up againt most other places in the world. Actually, Food and Wine magazine did this and pretty much crowned NYC, with the exception of Las Vegas in some areas, as the culinary capital of the US.

Art? Have you head of the Met, the Modern, The Museum of Natural History, Broadway, I could go on and one. Where is there more "world renowned" art in this country than any of the museums in NY? Seriously, please name a museum in the south which compares to the Met. Please find me theater that compares to Broadway. The whole new orleans thing for you was just a catch phrase so I'll ignore it. New Orleans has Jazz. Have you any idea the number of musicians who called NYC home? Any idea of the people who traveled there to make their music from all over the world?

And finally, as I'm very tired. Thriving metropolices compared to NYC? I've been to places in the south where they call a popultion of 75,000 the "big city." There's many things I love and respect about the south, but I just chose the areas you tried to point out.
Seriously, people from NYC are not better, we're just different. We have many things that the rest of the coutry will never experience unless they visit. The same could be said for places down south as well. The bottom line is that you need us and we need you all the same. We're a family one way or the other and have to get along to survive this horrible Texan in charge. However, if you want to go tit for tat when it comes to the areas you listed you'll be trailing worse than Kathryn Harris before Diebold rigs the election.

If you go to little hick towns that aren't on maps, that's pretty accurate. However, it's also the case everywhere, not just the south.

Er, most small towns in the Northeast and the Midwest are hardly like that...

...Texas, on the other hand, has some truly despicable small towns, though I'm not saying that all of them are that way. But the racism in many of them is unbelievable...

There are no god damned grits in Arizona!

Well, I suppose some resturants sell them, I think Waffle House does.

At any rate, everyone except people who live in Phoenix are hicks so that explains it. :)

Take, for example, our local KKK. The "minuteman project."

I lived south of Tucson, and I went to Phoenix when I lived there, wasn't impressed let me tell ya, I understand the Tucson pride.

I saw grits in restraunts, not just chain restruants either.

Now Nazz, please don't try and tell me the sotuh outranks NYC for fashion as I'll lose all possible repect I have for you. Like I said earlier, I think quite highly of your debating candor.

Er, most small towns in the Northeast and the Midwest are hardly like that...

...Texas, on the other hand, has some truly despicable small towns, though I'm not saying that all of them are that way. But the racism in many of them is unbelievable...

Northeast not as much, but surely you're kidding about the Midwest? That's the area stereotyped with raging incest--Arkansas, Tennesee, Kentucky. Ick.

I live in Dallas, but have been to smaller towns in Texas. While I'm definitely not saying no racism exists, it's important to remember that displaying Confederate flags (which is still relatively common in the South) isn't showing support for racism so much as it is for southern heritage, all race aside. I'm not sure if that was your main concern about racism, but I imagine it may help a bit.

Food? Please tell me where the best Thai, Korean, Czeck, Mediteranian, Cuban (besides Miami) Indian, Italian food is in the south?

we have all that food here in Oklahoma. I am confused that someone would think that we did not.

My own city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_of_Oklahoma_City) is very diverse and has great culture.

Northeast not as much, but surely you're kidding about the Midwest? That's the area stereotyped with raging incest--Arkansas, Tennesee, Kentucky. Ick.

I live in Dallas, but have been to smaller towns in Texas. While I'm definitely not saying no racism exists, it's important to remember that displaying Confederate flags (which is still relatively common in the South) isn't showing support for racism so much as it is for southern heritage, all race aside. I'm not sure if that was your main concern about racism, but I imagine it may help a bit.

The Midwest doesn't include Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky. Those states are in the South/Southeast.

And I know about the whole Confederate flag thing, and that's not what I was talking about (though I think displaying it is pig-headed and backwards). I can't tell you how many times I've heard the phrase "fucking ******" said aloud in restaurants. It just fills me with so much adrenaline that I literally feel like throwing the table across the room.

Question from another NYer who has never been out of the Northeast-How segragated is the South? I've just always wondered.

we have all that food here in Oklahoma. I am confused that someone would think that we did not.

My own city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_of_Oklahoma_City) is very diverse and has great culture.

Oklahoma City? In no way does it have the kind of quality ethnic food that New York City has. Not even close.

New York City has hundreds of years of cultural heritage. That's hundreds of years of making these foods, and not to mention the city's a major port and food processing center, so they get fresh ingredients whenever they need them.

The Midwest doesn't include Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky. Those states are in the South/Southeast.

And I know about the whole Confederate flag thing, and that's not what I was talking about (though I think displaying it is pig-headed and backwards). I can't tell you how many times I've heard the phrase "fucking ******" said aloud in restaurants. It just fills me with so much adrenaline that I literally feel like throwing the table across the room.

... Wow, I totally fail at reading/geography tonight. Stressful day. :p

I don't feel as though I can adequately respond because I've never been in a situation that really evolved past racial jokes that people light-heartedly exchange with members of different ethnicities. And I know that's not what you're talking about. I'm sort of a spoiled Texan, as I live in Dallas and we just have nice people and skyscrapers.

Question from another NYer who has never been out of the Northeast-How segragated is the South? I've just always wondered.

Believe it or not, it's hard to go for even half a day without seeing people who have different skin colors. There are many people of Hispanic, African, and Asian descent in my area, and they're pretty much fully-integrated with everyone else.

I can't say the same for Arkansas, because I didn't see a single black, or even brown-skinned person the entire time I stayed there. And yeah, three days is quite long enough.

Northeast not as much, but surely you're kidding about the Midwest? That's the area stereotyped with raging incest--Arkansas, Tennesee, Kentucky. Ick.

That's a rather odd definition of the Midwest. I knew a guy from Florida when I was in the Army that thought Kentucky (that's where we were stationed) was Midwestern. Odd how different regions define the other regions.

Oklahoma City? In no way does it have the kind of quality ethnic food that New York City has. Not even close.

New York City has hundreds of years of cultural heritage. That's hundreds of years of making these foods, and not to mention the city's a major port and food processing center, so they get fresh ingredients whenever they need them.
I didn't say we had the best, but we have it, we have it made by actual immigrants too.

As far as Czech food we probably have the best in the nation.

Believe it or not, it's hard to go for even half a day without seeing people who have different skin colors. There are many people of Hispanic, African, and Asian descent in my area, and they're pretty much fully-integrated with everyone else.

I can't say the same for Arkansas, because I didn't see a single black, or even brown-skinned person the entire time I stayed there. And yeah, three days is quite long enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waycross That's my town's Wiki, we actually have more black people then white people.

I lived south of Tucson, and I went to Phoenix when I lived there, wasn't impressed let me tell ya, I understand the Tucson pride.

I saw grits in restraunts, not just chain restruants either.

I bet Livingston's Soul Food Resturant has them, and I bet they're really good. Also lulu's chicken and waffles.

Tuscon pride is another word for shame, and those provincial provincials should be ashamed.

Phoenix has some quite nice neighborhoods and a decent symphony orchestra and half decent opera. Also, we have a lot of decent resturants and a few really good ones.

PHX has nothing on a real city, but it sure as hell beats the rest of AZ, and utah, and the whole midwest put together, and texas.

I didn't say we had the best, but we have it, we have it made by actual immigrants too.

As far as Czech food we probably have the best in the nation.

Texas has the best Mexican food, hands down. I've had it in New York, Florida, California, and New Mexico and it doesn't even compare.

Now Nazz, please don't try and tell me the sotuh outranks NYC for fashion as I'll lose all possible repect I have for you. Like I said earlier, I think quite highly of your debating candor.

Oh, NYC has us beat hands down on fashion. I just don't care about it. ;)

As to the above comment, I have spent significant time in NYC, though not in a while, and I don't mean to denigrate the city any--I just don't think it's as superior as New Yorkers seem to act as though it is.

Texas has the best Mexican food, hands down. I've had it in New York, Florida, California, and New Mexico and it doesn't even compare.

Arizona has more real live border-jumping food-cooking mexicans than any other state, and they give us the best mexican food in the country.

When the heelbeelies start whining about the 'illegals,' (or as certain strata in AZ say, "tonks") I reply "wherefore this, and for what cause?"

I value well-cooked mexican food more than any good the whinicans can pick out from sealing the border and expelling the mexicans.

to be more specific, grits are hominy, or corn. It's like if you made oatmeal out of corn.

they are really really gross, I don't know anyone who eats them outside of the most redneck of redneck of my family.Love grits, though my father gives me grief about putting sugar on them.

Love grits, though my father gives me grief about putting sugar on them.

I think you and smunkee are talking about "greeits" ;)

Fine resturants do intersting things with grits, actually, and they can be quite tasty.

we have all that food here in Oklahoma. I am confused that someone would think that we did not.

My own city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_of_Oklahoma_City) is very diverse and has great culture.Oklahoma has a lot of ehnic foods, some in the standard grocery stores, some in ethnic stores.

Arizona has more real live border-jumping food-cooking mexicans than any other state, and they give us the best mexican food in the country.

When the heelbeelies start whining about the 'illegals,' (or as certain strata in AZ say, "tonks") I reply "wherefore this, and for what cause?"

I value well-cooked mexican food more than any good the whinicans can pick out from sealing the border and expelling the mexicans.

I've never had it in Arizona, but people I've talked to who had said California had better. Have you had any in Texas? San Antonio is particularly great for it.

But, since there is no Ari-Mex, you lose by default. :p

Thanks to having only three hours sleep, I now have the image of a man in a white pointy sheet bathing in grits while he plays the banjo to Tim McGraw semi-permanently embedded in my gray matter.

I go home get sleep now bye-bye.

I've never had it in Arizona, but people I've talked to who had said California had better. Have you had any in Texas? San Antonio is particularly great for it.

But, since there is no Ari-Mex, you lose by default. :p
Best tamales I've ever had were in a joint in Tucson called las Cazuelitas.

Best tamales I've ever had were in a joint in Tucson called las Cazuelitas.

My AIT training is at Fort Huachuca, so there's a slight chance the possibility of trying it out may arise. :cool:

Texas definitely has the best Mexican food hands down. I'm sorry I've lived the past five years in OK (Thank God I'm back in Texas, I like OK okay...) and the Mexican food there is awful. Those people are afraid of spice!

Texas is just awesome. Wonderful culture. We listen to lots of country music, I've never eaten grits, and I've never heard of klan meetings. The klan exists everywhere in the US. The area I lived has a lot of Asian immigrants, esp Vietnamese, so you can get GREAT Asian food too. I mean, we have basically every kind of cuisine possible. Texas also has the best barbeque. It's totally different from OK barbeque. My Californian friend claims they have the best, but I prefer TX. It's just totally different. Lots of jalepenos and spice in everything. We also have good steaks and tons of football. There are rodeos occasionally, and I do see cowboys around town. But really, we're very modern, which surprises people. (At least Houston is) Also, we have about every kind of landscape you cna desire- mountains, deserts, plains, huge forests, coastline, etc. Plus the people are so friendly. Good ol' southern farmboys. If you're female, you'll never have to open the door for yourself again. :)

We do say y'all a lot and all y'all, which confuses some northerners I speak to. Y'all is a small group, and all y'all is a large one.

Also, Texas has authentic Mexican food and Tex-Mex. Not just Tex Mex, though Tex Mex is more popular.

We do say y'all a lot and all y'all, which confuses some northerners I speak to. Y'all is a small group, and all y'all is a large one.

Hearing that "word" too often makes me cringe. Since I grew up with and around Northeasterners (mostly people from New England) and upper-Midwesterners, as I stated earlier, I've always said "you guys". Not once have I said "y'all", save for when I'm making fun of the term.

And, as you might've guessed, I also sound like I'm from "up North". I love it, because it becomes a conversation piece quite often.

Also, Texas has authentic Mexican food and Tex-Mex. Not just Tex Mex, though Tex Mex is more popular.

I'm not sure why it's more popular, though. The authentic stuff seems to taste better to me.

I don’t know what grits are.

If you've ever had polenta, you've had grits. They're basically the same thing only one is served hot and still "runny" and the other is congealed.

To cook Grits, you make a smushy mess of it, and top it with butter, sugar and cinnamin, and try not to vomit it back up when you taste it. ;)

How unimaginative. Anyone who would do that to grits (or any other food) obviously doesn't know how to cook. There are many, many more ways to prepare them than that. They can be either sweet or savory, side dishes or main courses. And grits are now even entering haute cuisine circles.

http://www.recipesource.com/fgv/polenta/indexall.html
http://www.recipesource.com/cgi-bin/search?search_string=grits

Question from another NYer who has never been out of the Northeast-How segragated is the South? I've just always wondered.

I'm a typical southerner. I like cheese grits. Country music is alright for the most part. like everyone else said, KKK is everywhere, but I HAVE been to a clan meeting. not really as negative as you would think towards minorities, they should still disband because of what they represent being totally wrong.

As for segregation, most of the current segregation is social(minorities not mixing with white people) and enforced by black people. as ridiculous as that may sound to people on here, a lot of the current segregation is brought on by the blacks(not denying any discrimination from whites, just saying that many black people tend to be self-discriminatory and extremely racist against white people). Its unfortunate, and changing. I wish it wasn't the case seeing as I went to a mostly black school and felt the discrimination was mostly aimed at white people.

I'm a typical southerner. I like cheese grits. Country music is alright for the most part. like everyone else said, KKK is everywhere, but I HAVE been to a clan meeting. not really as negative as you would think towards minorities, they should still disband because of what they represent being totally wrong.

As for segregation, most of the current segregation is socially and enforced by black people. as ridiculous as that may sound to people on here, a lot of the current segregation is brought on by the blacks(not denying any discrimination from whites, just saying that many black people tend to be self-discriminatory). Its unfortunate, and changing.

What state are you in?

I'm a typical southerner. I like cheese grits. Country music is alright for the most part. like everyone else said, KKK is everywhere, but I HAVE been to a clan meeting. not really as negative as you would think towards minorities, they should still disband because of what they represent being totally wrong.

As for segregation, most of the current segregation is social(minorities not mixing with white people) and enforced by black people. as ridiculous as that may sound to people on here, a lot of the current segregation is brought on by the blacks(not denying any discrimination from whites, just saying that many black people tend to be self-discriminatory and extremely racist against white people). Its unfortunate, and changing. I wish it wasn't the case seeing as I went to a mostly black school and felt the discrimination was mostly aimed at white people.I'm just going to come out here and say that you're either full of shit or very confused. I'm also a southerner, and what you described is about as far from reality as it's possible to get.

Georgia(lived most of my life and where my family is from)-Most discrimination and segregation is done by black people.(my family has literally been attacked, had our farm attempted to be burnt down. Along with being bombarded by racist terms against white people).
Mississippi/Memphis suburb(lived there for a few years in childhood)- Definite leftovers of Jim Crow laws and attempts to get around desegregation...though much less actual discrimination. My elementary school was an obvious attempt to segregate. They fixed that problem after I left, and there was no discrimination from any race against other races. It was circumstances of laws that had been forgotten and not updated to reflect the actual sentiments of the people in the area.

I'm sort of a spoiled Texan, as I live in Dallas and we just have nice people and skyscrapers.

Well, I'll give you skyscrapers anyway. Nice people? Sadly, not so many.

I'm just going to come out here and say that you're either full of shit or very confused. I'm also a southerner, and what you described is about as far from reality as it's possible to get.

howso? have you not noticed that there is little intermingling between races? have you as a white person been denied access to the local piggly wiggly because that is the black store?

I'm not even white. I'm native american. I have been discriminated against by black people my whole life. Its unfortunate. It sucks. I wouldn't do it to anyone else because I know how much it sucks. I don't think there is much segregation left, certainly no legalities, but there is still a social divide that hasn't mended yet. and to ignore it would be stupid.

Oh, NYC has us beat hands down on fashion. I just don't care about it. ;)

As to the above comment, I have spent significant time in NYC, though not in a while, and I don't mean to denigrate the city any--I just don't think it's as superior as New Yorkers seem to act as though it is.

No, but NYC has a lot of things that other places do not. It is also far superior in many of the ways I mentioned previously. This does not mean I think the rest of the country is crap as I love spending time in Charlston, SC as well as Houston, TX. The point I was trying to make is that NY in a unque area where the most culturally diverse people are all intermingled. WE don't all love each other all the time, but as 9/11 showed the world, we come together in times of crisis to help one another. I'm glad we're able to put things in perspective and realize these things are not being said out of hate.

Texas definitely has the best Mexican food hands down. I'm sorry I've lived the past five years in OK (Thank God I'm back in Texas, I like OK okay...) and the Mexican food there is awful. Those people are afraid of spice!

I hate to be the one to tell you this but there are different kinds of mexican food, depending on the region in Mexico that the food is from.

In Oklahoma most of our Mexican restruants cook "Chihuahua" style Mexican food, when I lived in Arizona most of the places there were "Sonora" style Mexican food, which was completely different. I have been to San Antonio (actually all over Texas....surpised I made it out alive, it's terrible there) and the Mexican food in San Antonio is okay, but it's different you can't compare on the basis of "they don't know how to make it" because it's completely different food.

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.

Don't burn your brian, okay? :)

1. Grits are recycled sand, okay? Take it from a longtime Southerner. ;)
2. Banjos are cool, but haven't been in Country music in awhile now.
3. Tim McGraw? Pfft. Newbie.

As for the KKK, they hardly have the corner on the hate market.

not in my area i gurantee where white is like, 15% (estimate from me), white christians 10% white christian protestant fundamentalist radical sumpremist etc. .00??? who knows?

It's damned hard to spot racism or discrimination until you are the recipient of it. Most racists don't wear the uniform and discrimination can be more subtle than a sign in the window. As a white guy, myself, I don't see it day-to-day in the States, but when I go to an Asian or Arab country, it's plain as the nose on my face.

As far as grits and banjos, both are pervasive in certain parts of the South. Bluegrass is just as easy to find as it always has been and grits are either good or bad, depending on the cook. Don't eat hominy with sugar, use cheese or mix them with the eggs.

*Joke time*
What's the difference between a banjo and a chainsaw?
The chainsaw has a dynamic range.

All things considered, I'd rather spend the rest of my life in the South than travel up to the Great White North. We've got New Orleans, Memphis, Charleston, Atlanta and Austin, if you consider Texas to be part of the South. There are plenty of unspoiled parks and wildlife reserves that can be used year-round.

No, but NYC has a lot of things that other places do not. It is also far superior in many of the ways I mentioned previously. This does not mean I think the rest of the country is crap as I love spending time in Charlston, SC as well as Houston, TX. The point I was trying to make is that NY in a unque area where the most culturally diverse people are all intermingled. WE don't all love each other all the time, but as 9/11 showed the world, we come together in times of crisis to help one another. I'm glad we're able to put things in perspective and realize these things are not being said out of hate.

I don't think NYC has a corner on the cultural diversity market. Size, maybe, but not percentages. The closest town to my farm is Duluth, GA. It has a sizable Asian population and as you drive down through Doraville, you can see communities any number of Indian, Middle Eastern, SW Asian, Hispanic, and more.

I have to ask - is most Southern food flavorful...you know, besides grits? Up here in Ohio, whose motto should be "We Envy Purgatory," you have to pour all kinds of shit on your food to make it taste like anything. Some people consider ketchup the greatest thing ever. People are scared of Tabasco sauce. Sure, there are good restaurants and all, but there's a severe shortage of flavor here.

I hope the South doesn't have the same problem. My only experience with Southern food so far has been the same restaurants we have here in Ohio, but at least the service was friendly. People in the South sure are nice, not like the boneheads we have here in Ohio running the service industry. One of them actually refused to take out order at a Dairy Queen drive-thru and told us we were "dismissed." Only in Ohio.

Oh yeah, and all that negative stuff they talk about in the South? The KKK, country music, rednecks, and podunk towns with no cell phone reception and all the ambience of that place from "The Skeleton Key"? We have that here in Ohio, too. It's frankly a little ridiculous. Even if I were to hold that against the South, I'd have to hold it against my own piss-fuck of a home state, too. And I do.

I have to ask - is most Southern food flavorful...you know, besides grits? Up here in Ohio, whose motto should be "We Envy Purgatory," you have to pour all kinds of shit on your food to make it taste like anything. Some people consider ketchup the greatest thing ever. People are scared of Tabasco sauce. Sure, there are good restaurants and all, but there's a severe shortage of flavor here.

We have barbeque. We have gumbo. We have fried chicken, dumplings, and pecan pie. We have po' boys and yams and hushpuppies. It goes on and on. And most Southern women are at least familiar with the way they are cooked.

We have barbeque. We have gumbo. We have fried chicken, dumplings, and pecan pie. We have po' boys and yams and hushpuppies. It goes on and on. And most Southern women are at least familiar with the way they are cooked.

Because, what? Men in the south explode if you put them near a kitchen?

Adjust your skirt, your sexism is showing.

Because, what? Men in the south explode if you put them near a kitchen?

Adjust your skirt, your sexism is showing.

Back off there, buddy. Barbeque is man's work, I shouldn't even need to say so.

Back off there, buddy. Barbeque is man's work, I shouldn't even need to say so.

"We have barbeque...", "...And most Southern women are at least familiar with the way they are cooked...."

:D

"We have barbeque...", "...And most Southern women are at least familiar with the way they are cooked...."

:D

Don't you ever let the adversarial side rest?

We have barbeque. We have gumbo. We have fried chicken, dumplings, and pecan pie. We have po' boys and yams and hushpuppies. It goes on and on. And most Southern women are at least familiar with the way they are cooked.

It all sounds good. Granted, I make a pretty good fried chicken, but I learned from my dad, who's not from Ohio. The bigger thing I wonder is this - all the food that we have here in Ohio that's completely sanitized of anything resembling flavor...is there an equivalent of that in the South that has flavor? In Ohio, it's hard to find a flavorful pot of chili; Texas is famous for it.

I'm being rough on Ohio; my mother-in-law is an excellent cook and she's from...well, she's from a part of Ohio that actually believes that food should taste good.

Back off there, buddy. Barbeque is man's work, I shouldn't even need to say so.

I disagree, and think that's a stupid comment. There's nothing about having a penis as opposed to a vagina that makes one better at the barbeque.


Anyway, as to the original point of the thread: I must admit I'm not all that impressed with either New York or the South, so I'm a kind of equal opportunity arrogant bastard. ;)

Back off there, buddy. Barbeque is man's work, I shouldn't even need to say so.
This statement is right on the money. Mainly because to make good barbeque, you have to be holding a beer in hand and watching a football/baseball game.

It all sounds good. Granted, I make a pretty good fried chicken, but I learned from my dad, who's not from Ohio. The bigger thing I wonder is this - all the food that we have here in Ohio that's completely sanitized of anything resembling flavor...is there an equivalent of that in the South that has flavor? In Ohio, it's hard to find a flavorful pot of chili; Texas is famous for it.

I'm being rough on Ohio; my mother-in-law is an excellent cook and she's from...well, she's from a part of Ohio that actually believes that food should taste good.

Ohio is a neat sort of state, lots of Germans settled in the Southwest -- Cincinnati, Dayton, even up through Toledo. Seems like the Northeast got mostly Slavs. What's the famous hotdog place in Toledo? Can't remember, now. Tony Packo's *thanks Google*

Are you complaining about the kind of food that you get when you go over to the neighbors' for dinner, or the kind that you get when you go to the corner pizza joint?

It all sounds good. Granted, I make a pretty good fried chicken, but I learned from my dad, who's not from Ohio. The bigger thing I wonder is this - all the food that we have here in Ohio that's completely sanitized of anything resembling flavor...is there an equivalent of that in the South that has flavor? In Ohio, it's hard to find a flavorful pot of chili; Texas is famous for it.

I'm being rough on Ohio; my mother-in-law is an excellent cook and she's from...well, she's from a part of Ohio that actually believes that food should taste good.

You can find just about any kind of food in Texas, and chances are, it will taste good. It's rare to walk into a restaurant and get a bad meal.

And which part of Ohio is that? The Northwest, or the Southeast (close to Pittsburgh)?

This statement is right on the money. Mainly because to make good barbeque, you have to be holding a beer in hand and watching a football/baseball game.

I don't see many women in chili cookoffs, either.

When we cook for a large group and have something like a fish fry, I always sit out by the oil, cooking the fish and hush-puppies that my wife has battered and she always makes the deserts. It works out much better that way.

That's generally the case isn't it? People fear what they aren't exposed to--that's why Mexican immigration is apparently a big issue in Pennsylvania.


IMO, it's the other way around. Not that people generally 'fear' (a race of people who they've lived with in their country for hundreds of years [blacks]-- not talking about the mooslims here .. americans don't know muslims for the most part and go by all the crap they hear and see on the joo tube -- You'd have to talk to people who have dealt with and been exposed to lebonese and turkish immigrants like in Australia. We [US] havent had much experience with musilms here in the states, until recently) what they aren't exposed to, but become all too familiar with certain traits in people after being exposed to those characteristics that enhance generalizations and stereotypes. Majority of _white_ racists, those who desire seperation at least, get there from experience .. not inexperience.


Can't remember the last time I had grits. I've ate hominy more recently. But when I do .. I eat them with red eye. Tim McGraw .. that's not country .. sorry. That's pop 'country' .. like his wifes newer music, shania twain and the countless others being played on country stations and CMT. Country music is dead, along with the good country musicians/singers. Maybe you meant Bluegrass. It's still alive.

Ya, can't top a Southern woman's deserts...man, I got a hankerin for some pecan pie. How long till thanksgiving? THAT is my favorite day of the year. Seperate tables entirely dedicated to the type of food on it. Meat table, veggies, desserts, and of course a few big baskets of bread.

joo tube

Wow, and here I thought everyone who refered to a TV as a "Jew tube" had died by now...:p

Question from another NYer who has never been out of the Northeast-How segragated is the South? I've just always wondered.

There are still some issues in some places (we still deal with white flight and mainly minority schools that are subpar while the mainly white schools across town have gazillions of dollars).

In Austin you can still see the segregated past of the city. Austin lacks any real East-West highway, thus making it incredibly difficult for the residents of the minority "east side" (being the area east of IH 35) to get to the affluent "west side" neighborhoods and areas.

The crime rate on the east side (and pockets of north Austin) are atrocious and there are issues each year alleging racial discrimination by police officers.

This is not to say that segregation and discrimination are rampant, but that Texas (and other areas in the South) still have far to go.

...We have po' boys and yams and hushpuppies...

No. We have sweet potatoes, not yams. Yams are a large tuberous root that weighs up to 100 pounds and grows in tropical Africa. The much smaller yellow/orange fleshed tuber that we grow in the US is a sweet potato. The two aren't even remotely related. ;)

http://www.producepete.com/shows/yams.html

And sweet potatos are gross.

And sweet potatos are gross.

Have you ever had sweet potato fries? God, they are good. Have you ever had sweet potato pie? It is very good as long as it doesn't have marshmallows in it. Anything with marshmallows in it is gross.

This statement is right on the money. Mainly because to make good barbeque, you have to be holding a beer in hand and watching a football/baseball game.

Beer in hand, yes. Watching some so called sports results in burned BBQ. Damn man, watch the BBQ not the TV. :mad:

Have you ever had sweet potato fries? God, they are good. Have you ever had sweet potato pie? It is very good as long as it doesn't have marshmallows in it. Anything with marshmallows in it is gross.

anyone who puts marshmallows in sweet potato pie should be locked up and the key thrown away.

and yeah, sweet potato fries ROCK!

but I am an Okie, so what do I know?

No. We have sweet potatoes, not yams. Yams are a large tuberous root that weighs up to 100 pounds and grows in tropical Africa. The much smaller yellow/orange fleshed tuber that we grow in the US is a sweet potato. The two aren't even remotely related. ;)

http://www.producepete.com/shows/yams.html

Okay. I stand corrected. I'll have to correct the Piggly-Wiggly produce manager, too.

And for those of you that mentioned marshmellow ... All I can think of is that it's a Yankee plot to ruin sweet potatoes.

Don't you ever let the adversarial side rest?

But, of course... I should let sexism pass by unattended when you think it's funny, no?

Words are power. How we speak shapes how we think. While people engage in the light-hearted-banter that demeans women, people will still engage in the thought processes that demean women.

look, i rather not stereotype southerners but im from nyc and i have to ask: is it what everyone say it is? Grits, banjos, tim mcgraw? o and i wish i didn't have to bring this up but... is there rly kkk there? (my brian it burns even thinking about it ><)
im so glad im far away from any traces of kkk, in fact they would hate my kind.
plz have nice responses to me only, if you rly want to insult me, just "no comment" would say even more.
Legibility?

not in my area i gurantee where white is like, 15% (estimate from me), white christians 10% white christian protestant fundamentalist radical sumpremist etc. .00??? who knows?

I'll guarantee you what. Y'all could have 0% white folk in a neighborhood but still be infested with racists. You caint tell one just by havin a close look at his skin color.

Have you ever had sweet potato fries? God, they are good. Have you ever had sweet potato pie? It is very good as long as it doesn't have marshmallows in it. Anything with marshmallows in it is gross.

I just had sweet potato fries for the first time a month or so ago. They are great! It was the first time I had much use for anything resembling sweet potatoes or yams.

anyone who puts marshmallows in sweet potato pie should be locked up and the key thrown away.

and yeah, sweet potato fries ROCK!

but I am an Okie, so what do I know?

Nt gonna lie, I hate sweet potato fries.

Sweet potato pie, however...:)

And sweet potatos are gross.

I love sweet potatoes, especially with butter and cinnamon.

Before we get tired of the subject, all together, let's not forget the outstanding musicians that have come from the South. Georgia, alone, has begat groups as diverse as the B-52s, REM (I used to work with the mom of one of the kids), The Allman Brothers, James Brown, Johnny Mercer, Wet Willie, and Ray Charles. That's a pretty impressive list, by any standard. And we're not even talking about Country and Gospel, yet.

Before we get tired of the subject, all together, let's not forget the outstanding musicians that have come from the South. Georgia, alone, has begat groups as diverse as the B-52s, REM (I used to work with the mom of one of the kids), The Allman Brothers, James Brown, Johnny Mercer, Wet Willie, and Ray Charles. That's a pretty impressive list, by any standard. And we're not even talking about Country and Gospel, yet.

The Allman Brothers suck outright, and Husker Du of Minneapolis were far superior to REM.

The Allman Brothers suck outright, and Husker Du of Minneapolis were far superior to REM.

The modern Allmans do. But Dicky Betts and Greg Allman aren't bad. Neither was Duane Allman. The band really rocked in the '70s.

The modern Allmans do. But Dicky Betts and Greg Allman aren't bad. Neither was Duane Allman. The band really rocked in the '70s.

Not in my opinion. Rush were head-and-shoulders above them.

Southern rock-Lynyrd Skynyrd
'nuff said

Southern rock-Lynyrd Skynyrd
'nuff said

"Sweet Home Alabama" is one of the most disgusting songs I've ever heard. I mean, the music has a decent feel to it, but the fact that it was a song that glorified Alabama's "culture" (you know what I mean) is horrible.

isnt it strange how the north in the us is cool but over here in the old country, the south is the best half (no offence the rest of the country)

Not in my opinion. Rush were head-and-shoulders above them.

We're trading opinions. Fact is that the Allman Brothers were the more popular than the Beatles in the first half of the '70s. In any event, a number of other folks paid a lot of money for LPs and concert tickets. And Rush had a completely different musical style.

We're trading opinions. Fact is that the Allman Brothers were the more popular than the Beatles in the first half of the '70s. In any event, a number of other folks paid a lot of money for LPs and concert tickets. And Rush had a completely different musical style.

1: Popularity has nothing to do with music being good or not. Just look at Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake for concrete proof of my statement.

2: Yes, and that syle is called "good music".

Lynrnd Sknrd and Allmans are so overrated... their music is dull, homogenous and masturbatory. Rush and the Beatles are better.

Lynrnd Sknrd and Allmans are so overrated... their music is dull, homogenous and masturbatory. Rush and the Beatles are better.

Don't fahgettabaht The Who! They're better than Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Allmans, too!

Question from another NYer who has never been out of the Northeast-How segragated is the South? I've just always wondered.


Un-segragated. What do you think this is, the 30's? :rolloeyes:

Interesting how this turned into a music debate :p I'll add my perspective back onto the topic at hand.

Potarius, If I may, I've read responses of yours that are direct enough in nature as to imply that you created this topic to confirm the opinions that you already held. A sense of smug superiority in everything from music and food to culture. You almost seem to get defensive when anything is suggested to be superior to the circumstances that exist in New York. Im not accusing you of being pompous, but if your positions are not going to be changed and the South will forever remain to you a backward, inferior, place...You may as well just say so.

I could spend a long time describing how the 'intellectual' mockery of "hillbillies" and "rednecks" is no different than the 'unintellectual' mockery of "ragheads" . I could also spend a long time outlining the massive cultural contributions of the south, as well as the positive impacts upon the world population as a whole. However I think this entire argument could be guaged by the question:

how is "Sweet Home Alabama?" offensive?

"Sweet Home Alabama" is one of the most disgusting songs I've ever heard. I mean, the music has a decent feel to it, but the fact that it was a song that glorified Alabama's "culture" (you know what I mean) is horrible.

I hate that song and band. The music honestly makes me nauseous.

The Allman Brothers suck outright, and Husker Du of Minneapolis were far superior to REM.

I don't know about Husker Du, but I prefer REM.

I hate to be the one to tell you this but there are different kinds of mexican food, depending on the region in Mexico that the food is from.

In Oklahoma most of our Mexican restruants cook "Chihuahua" style Mexican food, when I lived in Arizona most of the places there were "Sonora" style Mexican food, which was completely different. I have been to San Antonio (actually all over Texas....surpised I made it out alive, it's terrible there) and the Mexican food in San Antonio is okay, but it's different you can't compare on the basis of "they don't know how to make it" because it's completely different food.


I didn't say they didn't know how to make Mexican food in OK, I just think that Texas Mexican food is better. I don't know about where you lived, but where I lived it was all very very bland in Oklahoma. And we didn't have any little 'hole in the wal' type places, just big chains that were really not very good at all.

Have you ever had sweet potato fries? God, they are good. Have you ever had sweet potato pie? It is very good as long as it doesn't have marshmallows in it. Anything with marshmallows in it is gross.

Haha, yeah... my friends always say I can't be a true southerner for my despise of sweet potatos. (That and the fact I'm from Houston so I have very little accent) I honestly tried sweet potato the other day since I hadn't eaten any since I was young. I still can't stand it, but apparently there's something wrong with me. :p

I am from NYC.

There are KKK here.

I like grits. Butter + sugar on them is good breakfast food, especially when it gets cold!

It's not ever clear where 'the south' ends or begins.

Anyways...

I eat grits.

I have never heard a banjo played in real life.

There are probably klansmen here, although they certainly are not as prevalent as they were back in the 60's. They also don't walk down the street in a klansuit or anything.

Potarius, If I may, I've read responses of yours that are direct enough in nature as to imply that you created this topic to confirm the opinions that you already held. A sense of smug superiority in everything from music and food to culture. You almost seem to get defensive when anything is suggested to be superior to the circumstances that exist in New York. Im not accusing you of being pompous, but if your positions are not going to be changed and the South will forever remain to you a backward, inferior, place...You may as well just say so.

I could spend a long time describing how the 'intellectual' mockery of "hillbillies" and "rednecks" is no different than the 'unintellectual' mockery of "ragheads" . I could also spend a long time outlining the massive cultural contributions of the south, as well as the positive impacts upon the world population as a whole. However I think this entire argument could be guaged by the question:

how is "Sweet Home Alabama?" offensive?


1: Read the topic post, jacko. Is my name anywhere on user profile to the left of it? Nope.

2: All I said about the food was that NYC has direct access to everything it needs. The city is a major port, unlike Oklahoma City. It's been a city for far longer than Oklahoma City has, and it has more minorities who have been cooking their unique foods for many more years. NYC has more experience, more history, and more resources (both stocked and readily available at any given time). I was talking about food, not culture.

3: I do? No, I just correct people when they attempt to say that a city with less than a million people in the middle of nowhere has more to it than a city on the Eastern seaboard with almost thirty million people.

4: Go ahead, put words in my mouth. There are places in the South that are backward and inferior (I could actually name plenty that are just a few dozen miles from my town), but there are plenty of places that are world-class.

5: The fact that it was a response to a Neil Young song about civil rights abuses in Alabama is reason enough to call it a putrid pile of shit.

Yes. Clan still here. :( (Alabama)
The radio is mostly country music but not completly.
Lots of high-tech industry here. (especially in the Tennessee Valley)

Tell us about New York (not trying to sterotype or argue either..Iv'e just never been there)
How many street gangs? Are they a problem?
Is New York run by Goodfellas?
Is there a high crime rate?

Potarius,

would you say that you are completely retarded and pompous, or just mostly?

the South has done more for the culture of AMERICA than NY. You claim the diversity of NY like it adds so much to the culture, but it doesn't. That just means you can get a taste of other cultures. Its not like its a well defined local culture that you're getting a taste of, and that is whats great about the South. My High School had 75+ nationalities(as in born in another country) represented with just over 1,000 students. Most places in NY don't even have diversity like that within such a small area, so don't even think you're superior in THAT aspect. The South is riddled with large cities. Places with major airports, cities that grew around old railroad towns. All of these cities are just as diverse and have just as much access to everything we need as far as tastes of foreign food. Do you seriously think that us people in the South have trouble getting basics? You are damn near retarded boy. And for every backward town down here there's at least one in the North. You keep talking like you do, boy, and you're just proving NY is the biggest, most backward, and inferior town in the US. And Neil Young was insulting the South, our boys wrote a song that had a whole line directed in response to Neil Young. Sweet Home Alabama was a song that was inspired to celebrate all the good things about Alabama. Neil Young was stupid enough to write a song that insulted every southern man by saying that he was responsible for those civil rights abuses, and all Lynard Skynard did was say that "a southern man don't need him around, anyhow". So no, it wasn't a pile of shit. The South is where Music in America is born. We are proud of our history, and we preserve it every day in our culture and our music. You can't say that about the North.

Again, I'm talking about food, not goddamn fucking culture. And, in this case, I'm only comparing two cities: Oklahoma City and New York City. I was stating that NYC has a much wider selection of ethnic foods, and the products with which to make them are more readily available.

But no, you guys can't be civil. You have to twist my words to make it as if I'm attacking an entire region; no, an entire group of people (and then you go on and attack the rest of the fucking country --- now that's pure class). It'd be much easier on everyone if your ilk could read my posts properly, but apparently that's not going to happen anytime soon.

"Sweet Home Alabama" is one of the most disgusting songs I've ever heard. I mean, the music has a decent feel to it, but the fact that it was a song that glorified Alabama's "culture" (you know what I mean) is horrible.

I recently found myself corrected on this score--take a look at the lyrics, especially where they say "In Birmingham they love the governor." The reply--and this is according to published sheet music--is "Boo boo boo." It's a very sarcastic song, at least from a political point of view.

I recently found myself corrected on this score--take a look at the lyrics, especially where they say "In Birmingham they love the governor." The reply--and this is according to published sheet music--is "Boo boo boo." It's a very sarcastic song, at least from a political point of view.

Oh, well then --- I retract my previous statement about them.

I still think their name totally sucks, though.

Oh, well then --- I retract my previous statement about them.

I still think their name totally sucks, though.

Fair enough. I still no great fans of theirs, but I was glad to find out that the whole southern supremacy thing was something their fans cultivated, as opposed to the band itself, especially after the plane crash.

I still think their name totally sucks, though.

Lynard Skynard named their band after their high school basketball coach.
What's wrong with that?

A lot of Lynyrd Skynyrd's lyrics are political.

A lot of Lynyrd Skynyrd's lyrics are political.

Yes! Thank goodness! If they were just another "tear in my beer" band, most people wouldn't have liked them.

But hey, just about all bands, that have a singer, state some kind of politcal message in their music. (all types- country, rap, metal, pop, you name it)

Lynard Skynard named their band after their high school basketball coach.
What's wrong with that?

It's the way they spell it more than anything.

With all of this said, I still don't like their music very much.

Funny thing about the song "Sweet Home Alabama"
It was written by a Californian: Ed King. :eek:

... so don't even think you're superior in THAT aspect.


*ROTFLMAO* Looks like someone has problems with reading comprehension. Potarius is not from NYC. He is from south east Texas. Born and raised near Houston as I recall. And he has said as much in this very thread.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11862596&postcount=47

Okay. I stand corrected. I'll have to correct the Piggly-Wiggly produce manager, too.

They probably already know. "...the U.S. Department of Agriculture requires that the label "yam" always be accompanied by "sweetpotato."" http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-23-a.html

5: The fact that it was a response to a Neil Young song about civil rights abuses in Alabama is reason enough to call it a putrid pile of shit.

It is a response to at least two of Neal Young's songs which are so general they attack and blame not just Alabama but every man in the South for all the racist and civil rights problems. This would piss off anyone from there. As you might guess considering how you have defended your favorite areas so strongly against generalisations when you arent busy bashing the South.

Since when is does declaring that you love the place you come from after listening to wrongfull stereotypes sung by a horribly sexist shreiking falsetto like Neal Young make a song a putrid pile of shit?

I'll guarantee you what. Y'all could have 0% white folk in a neighborhood but still be infested with racists. You caint tell one just by havin a close look at his skin color.

when i wrote that it probably came out wrong sry. im not saying there is no racism even in a no white place. well obviously there will be no kkk racism however. i gurantee you there is no kkk here, but i know racism is everywhere. you know, people in every country seems to hate the countries minorities. its hate by inexposure, and i know it is not uncommon at all.