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A while ago there was a thread about the proposition of a fence spanning the 700 mile U.S. - Mexican border. Looks like it could actually be going ahead...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6088084.stm

So what do people here think of it? Necessary? Illegal? Over the top?

EDIT: Make that part of the 2000 mile U.S. - Mexico border.

Ironic.... if it's being build by Cheap Illegal Workers...

Not illegal if Congress authorizes it. It's a political gesture, a 700-mile fence is not going to seal the border with Mexico or even come close.

And isn't there some possibility that it would be buried by drifting sand in the desert areas?

And isn't there some possibility that it would be buried by drifting sand in the desert areas?

Erm ... not really, the Sonoran Desert is more stony than sandy. Good thought, though.

Ah. I was thinking more of the California area. I just remember going through southern California and it was extremely sandy.

Border is roughly 2000 miles long.


2000>700.


Someone in congress missed math class.

I don't understand how it would be illegal if government-authorized.

Ironic.... if it's being build by Cheap Illegal Workers...
or not.
Wall or not,it will not be build by congress men and other pigs..but it will closely be followed by the medias and other minutemen....
ironic,no cold war anymore.

Keep in mind that they're going to be building 700 miles of new fencing. There is already some fencing there, and the new fencing isn't going to be in one 700 mile long stretch. They need to leave enough gaps here and there for immigrants to still get through. ;)

They're building it from eastern California through Douglas, AZ. Or was it Yuma? Crap. Stupid geography. :p

Oh noes!1!! Property is being threatened by people, y'know, walking on it and stuff. They'd better not try for those precious bodily fluids...

While they are at it, they can put up a wall on the 5000 mile unprotected border with canada. I am tired of all the Canadian Business immigrants coming to america and stealing our precious tax dollars!

While they are at it, they can put up a wall on the 5000 mile unprotected border with canada. I am tired of all the Canadian Business immigrants coming to america and stealing our precious tax dollars!:upyours: :sniper: :sniper:

no-one takes posts with gun smileys in them seriously.

Now who's puppet are you?

no-one takes posts with gun smileys in them seriously.

Now who's puppet are you?

Why do you all call me a puppet? I am not! I am a real boy!

While they are at it, they can put up a wall on the 5000 mile unprotected border with canada. I am tired of all the Canadian Business immigrants coming to america and stealing our precious tax dollars!:don't: :use: :these:

What on earth are you talking about?

As for the Fence (don't grandise it by calling it a wall), it is uneccessary and frankly, silly. It doesn't solve anything (not that there is anything to solve, mind), and it's just wasteful.

Why do you all call me a puppet? I am not! I am a real boy!

Well, we're going to need verification of this, so we're sending a skilled professional boy expert to your house. His name is Mark Foley. :)

What on earth are you talking about?.

I've lived right on said border and I have no idea what he's talking about.

I've lived right on said border and I have no idea what he's talking about.

http://www.grasmick.com/

Canada to US Business immigration.

http://www.grasmick.com/

Canada to US Business immigration.

Surely that would only create American jobs and provide more revenue to the US Government. The Government doesn't spend money on foreign companies.

Try and learn some economics.

Why do you all call me a puppet? I am not! I am a real boy!
sure, but what is your main nation.

no-one takes posts with gun smileys in them seriously.

Now who's puppet are you?

He's the puppet of one of those lame Canadian-baiters, near as I make it. My guess is I'm supposed to get all patriotic and thump my chest at his silly post.

No sale.

Surely that would only create American jobs and provide more revenue to the US Government. The Government doesn't spend money on foreign companies.

Try and learn some economics.

well letting mexicans come over saves corps. money. But yet we put a border fence/wall up with them?

He's the puppet of one of those lame Canadian-baiters, near as I make it. My guess is I'm supposed to get all patriotic and thump my chest at his silly post.

No sale.
no. there are some people with stereotype based puppets. like someone had puppet called bushanomics.

I see no reason for Congress to authorize the erection of such a wall. I don't see illegal immigration as a very big problem, and consider doing so as a tremendous waste of tax dollars. Plus, I don't see it cutting down on illegal immigration very drastically -- they'll always be able to get through, and will probably find better ways to do so now.

no. there are some people with stereotype based puppets. like someone had puppet called bushanomics.

And some of them have attack-puppets, geared specifically towards certain posters, or types of posters. They'll dust them off for particular threads and/or posters.

Bummer ...how can we call a 700 mile wall...not even a continouse one great ?

At best it should be called the " mediocre wall " or the " insignificant " wall..

for all the good it will do ..the " invisable wall that makes some people feel better " should be the new name .

http://www.grasmick.com/

Canada to US Business immigration.

You'll have to explain to me what the problem is with that because I'm just not seeing it.

Bummer ...how can we call a 700 mile wall...not even a continouse one great ?

At best it should be called the " mediocre wall " or the " insignificant " wall..

for all the good it will do ..the " invisable wall that makes some people feel better " should be the new name .

The Wall of Broken Dreams and Wasted Taxes.

or...

The Attempt to Satiate Conservatives And Secure Their Vote in the 2006 Election While Protecting the Exploitation of Immigrants Wall of America. :D

Well, just to inform you, there are people who are currently taking in donations, volunteering their time, and much more to get the entire less than 2000 miles of fencing built plus having cameras and motion sensor lights and much more.....People are tired of waiting for the politicians who won't do anything but surrender to the illegals......

http://www.borderfenceproject.com/

What on earth are you talking about?

As for the Fence (don't grandise it by calling it a wall), it is uneccessary and frankly, silly. It doesn't solve anything (not that there is anything to solve, mind), and it's just wasteful.

It does serve the purpose of giving our Dear Leader and his running dog lackeys something tangible to point at and say, "We dealt with illegal immigration."

.....People are tired of waiting for the politicians who won't do anything but surrender to the illegals......

...while still other people are really fed up with all the usual wah-wah refrain of nationalistic paranoia, fear and loathing.


Do you fear for your precious bodily fluids?

I wonder why Bush decided to pass this legislation now that mid-term elections are 2 weeks away? *strokes chin thoughtfully*

Do you fear for your precious bodily fluids?

I do. Rainwater and pure grain alcohol for me.

My question is were are they going to get all the Mexicans to build the wall if they are building a wall ?

And the 12 million that are here ...how can they get back if they have a 700 mile wall to walk around ?

Hey I want a real answer to illegal immigration....but hey wake up ..this is NOT it.

We let them in for what ...ever ? And now its a big deal....and we changed the rules on them..no more nod * wink * wink *...so some sort of amnesty program and woker registration for immigrants AND more border security is not a good idea ?

Why cant we be humane and practical at the same time ?

OOOOPS I FORGOT...ELECTIONS....no sense in even bringing it up ...

Yes there is no plausible reason for building the fence. The fence is proposed to be built along the 700 miles most frequented by immagrants and will not cover harsher terrain that they usually do not venture into.

It is an obvious election-scare technique. Who is protecting Americans? Republicans of course! Now why would we turn congress over to them?? Vote Republican. All that Jazz.

The wall in all probability will not get built, at least not fully. Congress only authorised something like 2 billion dollars of an estimated 14 (please don't quote me I am not sure but I know it is quite a small fraction) The rest of the funding would need to come from future congresses, and with all they have on their plate, I think that it is not going to be at the top of the list, especially if the Democrats win the majority.

I support amnesty for current illegal aliens, a guest worker program and making citizenship easier to get.

also, the fence is easy to get around (or under) so is a waste of time/money.

we need to stop being so afraid of brown people and accept that they will outbreed us and take over our country.

Hell, we're all moving to Mexico anyway. Cabo is a nice place to retire.

It's interesting that most countries which build something like a wall on their borders usually do so not to keep someone out, but to keep the people inside...

It's interesting that most countries which build something like a wall on their borders usually do so not to keep someone out, but to keep the people inside...

Shh!

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>_>

Whats wrong with the wall?

It's a bit short, but I can't see what could possibly be wrong with the US building a fence to secure its borders.

They're building the wall on US soil right?

It's interesting that most countries which build something like a wall on their borders usually do so not to keep someone out, but to keep the people inside...


You win the thread.

It's interesting that most countries which build something like a wall on their borders usually do so not to keep someone out, but to keep the people inside...

Yea, but we've mastered flight, so the wall is pretty much useless to keep us in.

Illegal? the US Wall is not illegal..
The Berlin wall was not Illegal.

A while ago there was a thread about the proposition of a fence spanning the 700 mile U.S. - Mexican border. Looks like it could actually be going ahead...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6088084.stm

So what do people here think of it? Necessary? Illegal? Over the top?

EDIT: Make that part of the 2000 mile U.S. - Mexico border.

Of course it's necessary. What the hell would be "illegal" about it??? :rolleyes:

It's interesting that most countries which build something like a wall on their borders usually do so not to keep someone out, but to keep the people inside...

I hope you're not suggesting that this is why both Congress and the President have endorsed this idea ( at least in principle ). :rolleyes:

I hope you're not suggesting that this is why both Congress and the President have endorsed this idea ( at least in principle ). :rolleyes:

Yes, because this wall would stop all illegal immigration. They couldn't possibly come via sea or air, could they? They wouldn't be smart enough to do that...

Yes, because this wall would stop all illegal immigration. OHHH

sarcasm-o-rama :D

Of course it's necessary. What the hell would be "illegal" about it??? :rolleyes:

It may be legal from the American point of view (fair enough, being built on U.S. land), but other countries have issues with it, and are taking it to the U.N. :

Mexico has pledged to challenge the fence at the United Nations and on Wednesday presented a declaration against the policy to the Organisation of American States, supported by 27 other Latin American and Caribbean nations but opposed by the US.

Also, note that when I use a question mark, it means I'm asking if that's what people think, not stating my opinion on the issue.

The Berlin wall was torn down and now Bush wants to build one. This is a terrible idea.

The Berlin wall was torn down and now Bush wants to build one. This is a terrible idea.

THis is more like a Berlin Picket Fence. It would be like a wall, but only 1/4th the length.

THis is more like a Berlin Picket Fence. It would be like a wall, but only 1/4th the length.

Yes! It is kind of like a picket fence. Because it will not keep people from breaching it. People drown in the Rio Grande all the time trying to reach US soil. (I would rather climb a fence that swim in THAT damned, death trap of a river.) But they still keep on trying. This fence does nothing but task the human spirit and therefore it is a complete waist of money!

But it is also kind of like the Berlin wall in the sense that it will piss off one of our border nations and the Latino community that currently resides here. And therefore it is also a reckless way to spend money.

A. Well lets see, 2,000 mile long border. 700 mile long fence
B. This most likley weak Fence will probably built by the very people its trying to keep out.
C. There is no funding for this wall
D. There is already tunnels across the border, meaning the fence has been defeated before it has been built.
E. Historically, wall/fences have tended to fail, esspecaily ones that arent long enough.:headbang:

Yea, but we've mastered flight, so the wall is pretty much useless to keep us in.

You don't think the Mexicans cannot fly?

Staggering waste of money.

Too many on the other side already for it to do any good. Thousands coming in everyday.. tick tick. Plus.. our government wouldn't do such a horrible thing as to stop illegal immigration. Border guards aren't even allowed to approach border crossers, much less do something about it. Lets just be honest here.. for whatever reason.. our government wants illegals to get in. Maybe they will eventually (when they sheeple the american people enough) give all of em citizenship. Maybe they will send em all to the middle east to pay for their stay here in the great US. Or.. have them here to take up the slack of the natural americans that are in war(that would be really shitty).

Not promoting either. But I do not put it past our government.

I'll only support a great wall of america, if it keep the silly Mongols out. :)

I heartily endorse the total & complete walling-in of Americans.

when will those silly congressmen learn that fences don't work. I mean they can't even keep rabbits out, let alone people. Just look at Australia's example. If you want to keep the immigrants out you just need to find a mexican version of mxymatosis. Simple.

voting for fence and not funding it means at best it's a virtual fence

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