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Before I went to bed last night, my wife asked me a question that still has me stumped. Suppose a world with vampires has a Dawn of the Dead type accident. 2004 DOTD, not the 1979 original. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

My first instinct was to say the zombies for two reasons: (1) the zombies have all day AND all night to recruit, unlike the vampires, and (2) once the living humans start going away so does the vampires' food source. The point of a vampire drinking blood is that it is the life force of the living. I was assuming that vampires couldn't drink zombie blood.

Then, I realized that since vampires are harder to kill than humans -- presumably, a zombie bite won't convert a vampire and zombies aren't proficient with wooden stakes -- the vampires would be able to kill off a larger proportion of the zombie population before getting dusted.

So, I ask for help. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

wtf ??

Before I went to bed last night, my wife asked me a question that still has me stumped. Suppose a world with vampires has a Dawn of the Dead type accident. 2004 DOTD, not the 1979 original. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

My first instinct was to say the zombies for two reasons: (1) the zombies have all day AND all night to recruit, unlike the vampires, and (2) once the living humans start going away so does the vampires' food source. The point of a vampire drinking blood is that it is the life force of the living. I was assuming that vampires couldn't drink zombie blood.

Then, I realized that since vampires are harder to kill than humans -- presumably, a zombie bite won't convert a vampire and zombies aren't proficient with wooden stakes -- the vampires would be able to kill off a larger proportion of the zombie population before getting dusted.

So, I ask for help. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

i don't know

vampires. Vampires do not need to subsist on HUMAN blood, just blood in general. Moreover there's nothing to stop them from having their own human pens which they guard from zombies.

No way a zombie could take out a vampire.

vampires. Vampires do not need to subsist on HUMAN blood, just blood in general. Moreover there's nothing to stop them from having their own human pens which they guard from zombies.

No way a zombie could take out a vampire.
i don't know

Wouldn't both groups just starve to death? Strength/agility/flight/intelligence taken into consideration, I don't think a zombie could eat vampire brains, nor, as you stated, could vampires drink zombie blood.

If they were just trying to kill each other, however, I'd definitely go with the vampires--aerial attacks.

vampires. Vampires do not need to subsist on HUMAN blood, just blood in general. Moreover there's nothing to stop them from having their own human pens which they guard from zombies.

No way a zombie could take out a vampire.

I concur. If the vampires moved quickly enough, they could separate an uninfected portion of the human population and carefully keep a steady supply of human blood. And zombies do bleed right? So the vampires might be able to survive on zombies alone.

Before I went to bed last night, my wife asked me a question that still has me stumped. Suppose a world with vampires has a Dawn of the Dead type accident. 2004 DOTD, not the 1979 original. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

My first instinct was to say the zombies for two reasons: (1) the zombies have all day AND all night to recruit, unlike the vampires, and (2) once the living humans start going away so does the vampires' food source. The point of a vampire drinking blood is that it is the life force of the living. I was assuming that vampires couldn't drink zombie blood.

Then, I realized that since vampires are harder to kill than humans -- presumably, a zombie bite won't convert a vampire and zombies aren't proficient with wooden stakes -- the vampires would be able to kill off a larger proportion of the zombie population before getting dusted.

So, I ask for help. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

i forgot to say,i know why you don't have the awnser

Also it depends on which version of "zombie" you follow.

Do you mean the dead has risen and shambling zombie, or the "human being infected with a virus" zombie?

If the second...vampires should be able to feed on them no problem, they're still somewhat human, and the virus wouldn't affect them.

Zombies of course... we - whoops, I meant "the" - vampires aren't really dangerous, no need to bother about us - whoops - them...

Is there a smiley-with-long-canines? I'll make it up. : )=

Before I went to bed last night, my wife asked me a question that still has me stumped. Suppose a world with vampires has a Dawn of the Dead type accident. 2004 DOTD, not the 1979 original. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

My first instinct was to say the zombies for two reasons: (1) the zombies have all day AND all night to recruit, unlike the vampires, and (2) once the living humans start going away so does the vampires' food source. The point of a vampire drinking blood is that it is the life force of the living. I was assuming that vampires couldn't drink zombie blood.

Then, I realized that since vampires are harder to kill than humans -- presumably, a zombie bite won't convert a vampire and zombies aren't proficient with wooden stakes -- the vampires would be able to kill off a larger proportion of the zombie population before getting dusted.

So, I ask for help. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

Pirate ninjas.

vampires. Vampires do not need to subsist on HUMAN blood, just blood in general. Moreover there's nothing to stop them from having their own human pens which they guard from zombies.

No way a zombie could take out a vampire.

What about while the vampire's sleeping during the day? Dismemberment, if the head is separated, will kill a vampire as well as a stake, and zombies are good at dismemberment.

Also, I would posit that in a prolonged race for unsurvival between zombies and vampires, the living population would dwindle faster than the dead population could be rekilled.

Food for thought, though. Thank you Arthais.

vampires. Vampires do not need to subsist on HUMAN blood, just blood in general. Moreover there's nothing to stop them from having their own human pens which they guard from zombies.

No way a zombie could take out a vampire.

In my knowledge, which is admittedly pretty limited on the subject, vampires are like animals in that they prefer the freshness of the kill. Zombies are already dead, and so it'd be like putting an already dead mouse in a snake's tank or something. Eventually it'd probably eat it, but its morale would plummet.

Zombies would kick vampires ass. Zombies fucking rule!

What about while the vampire's sleeping during the day? Dismemberment, if the head is separated, will kill a vampire as well as a stake, and zombies are good at dismemberment.

Also, I would posit that in a prolonged race for unsurvival between zombies and vampires, the living population would dwindle faster than the dead population could be rekilled.

Food for thought, though. Thank you Arthais.

As far as I know, in a general sense, vampires do not NEED to sleep during hte day, they just can't be out in the day, so chose to sleep at day and move during hte night.

They could create a few vampire "guards" awake during the day, inside, guarding the sleeping ones, to wake the others in time of attack.

What about while the vampire's sleeping during the day?

Vampires can fly though, which means they could establish a fortress on high ground that would be impossible for the zombies to reach, let alone break into.

Chuck Norris:p

In my knowledge, which is admittedly pretty limited on the subject, vampires are like animals in that they prefer the freshness of the kill. Zombies are already dead, and so it'd be like putting an already dead mouse in a snake's tank or something. Eventually it'd probably eat it, but its morale would plummet.

again, which version of zombie are we talking about? undead zombie, or living, infected zombie.

Also it depends on which version of "zombie" you follow.

Do you mean the dead has risen and shambling zombie, or the "human being infected with a virus" zombie?

If the second...vampires should be able to feed on them no problem, they're still somewhat human, and the virus wouldn't affect them.

We were talking about the Dawn of the Dead remake where the person actually died and was reanimated by the virus they got from the zombie bite.

again, which version of zombie are we talking about? undead zombie, or living, infected zombie.

Think the new Dawn of the Dead movie. The OP said it already.

We were talking about the Dawn of the Dead remake where the person actually died and was reanimated by the virus they got from the zombie bite.

in which case, remember vampires are traditionally thought of as powerful necromancers and lords of the undeath. If the zombies are DEAD, why can't the vampires just take control of them? Either the zombie is truly undead in which case a vampire could probably lord over them, or there are in some aspect alive, which makes them good food

I concur. If the vampires moved quickly enough, they could separate an uninfected portion of the human population and carefully keep a steady supply of human blood. And zombies do bleed right? So the vampires might be able to survive on zombies alone.

But the point of drinking blood is that it's the life force. Since zombies are already dead, their blood would be undrinkable.

again, which version of zombie are we talking about? undead zombie, or living, infected zombie.

Either one is applicable, as the infected zombies died briefly before becoming zombies. At least in Dawn of the Dead.

Chuck Norris:p
nay .van dame is much vampiresque,it replicates

Hey, what about werewolves? Don't they have a stake in this?

But the point of drinking blood is that it's the life force. Since zombies are already dead, their blood would be undrinkable.

depends on what version of "vampire" you follow too. Sometimes it's a mystical essence, in other times it's a virus which renders the host unable to produce blood of their own so they need hemoglobin from other sources...doesn't really matter which.

Vampires can fly though, which means they could establish a fortress on high ground that would be impossible for the zombies to reach, let alone break into.

True, but if their food source goes away, the living vampires will either starve or go insane and be no better off than the zombies, depending on the vampire legend you follow.

True, but if their food source goes away, the living vampires will either starve or go insane and be no better off than the zombies, depending on the vampire legend you follow.

Don't zombies need brains to live though? So once all the humans' brains were eaten, the zomibes would perish as well.

depends on what version of "vampire" you follow too. Sometimes it's a mystical essence, in other times it's a virus which renders the host unable to produce blood of their own so they need hemoglobin from other sources...doesn't really matter which.Yups, yups.

Assuming the vamps need blood to exist, both would perish. The zombies would eventually fall apart & the vamps would starve to death. The fast, semi-clever zombies from the DoTD remake would make human-farming impossible.

in which case, remember vampires are traditionally thought of as powerful necromancers and lords of the undeath. If the zombies are DEAD, why can't the vampires just take control of them? Either the zombie is truly undead in which case a vampire could probably lord over them, or there are in some aspect alive, which makes them good food

Hmmm. Hadn't thought of that one. I'll have to think on that aspect for a while.

Are there any other animals whatsoever in this hypothetical world? It's sort of an important detail, since vampires are able to live somewhat happily off animal blood, where zombies are often depicted as not having any interest at all in anything but humans.

And if one group has a food source while the other doesn't, well.

this is one hell of a thread. I'd have to go with the Tripods from War of the Worlds.

Don't zombies need brains to live though? So once all the humans' brains were eaten, the zomibes would perish as well.

See, that's always been suspect. Zombies like brains and flesh, but I don't think they need 'em to "survive." The only way to kill them is to "remove the head or destroy the brain."

An epic thread ... worthy of the Archives.

Zombie Vampires would pwn.

this is one hell of a thread. I'd have to go with the Tripods from War of the Worlds.

Those things were defeated by the air. :mad:

Are there any other animals whatsoever in this hypothetical world? It's sort of an important detail, since vampires are able to live somewhat happily off animal blood, where zombies are often depicted as not having any interest at all in anything but humans.

And if one group has a food source while the other doesn't, well.

Yeah, there are animals, and the vampires can use them for food. But do zombies *need* to eat brains, since they're already dead?

don't make it a cult thread,please.

this is one hell of a thread.

You can blame my wife -- she's the one who asked the question. I just passed it on for debate after a few hours of thinking. :-)

Vampires. Zombies are too stupid to find a wooden stake and drive it through their enemy's heart. Being that vampires can only be killed this way (trust me, i know), the zombies wouldn't stand a chance.

Yeah, there are animals, and the vampires can use them for food. But do zombies *need* to eat brains, since they're already dead?

Well, clearly they're capable of "dying" again, so to speak, and I would imagine the virus (if that's the sort of zombie in question) would need something to live and thrive off of. I don't know about non-viral ones, though, but I imagine since they eat brains as food, it gives them energy. Vampires would be able to take it particularly sluggish zombies easily, in my opinion.

don't make it a cult thread,please.

:) *I* won't. I was just hoping for a knock out argument that would allow one side to pwn. But because there are assumptions on each side, it's very hard not to come up with a counterargument for EVERYTHING.

Those things were defeated by the air. :mad:

Oh yeah your right, nvm they'd get their asses kicked. The Zombie virus would infect them and....oh shit...ZOMBIE ALIENS with giant killing machines they can barely drive!:gundge: :eek:

Vampires. Zombies are too stupid to find a wooden stake and drive it through their enemy's heart. Being that vampires can only be killed this way (trust me, i know), the zombies wouldn't stand a chance.

Chopping off a vampire's head will also kill him, though, no?

Well, clearly they're capable of "dying" again, so to speak, and I would imagine the virus (if that's the sort of zombie in question) would need something to live and thrive off of. I don't know about non-viral ones, though, but I imagine since they eat brains as food, it gives them energy. Vampires would be able to take it particularly sluggish zombies easily, in my opinion.

Hmmm... good point.

:) *I* won't. I was just hoping for a knock out argument that would allow one side to pwn. But because there are assumptions on each side, it's very hard not to come up with a counterargument for EVERYTHING.
the same reasoning come when you don't ask

Chopping off a vampire's head will also kill him, though, no?

Not in my experience. Besides, a zombie has no base knowledge of vampires anyway - so he would have to do trial & error (can zombies do that?) until he found the wooden stake method (ok maybe decapitation). In the meantime, the cunning vampire would certainly have prevailed.

But maybe it's possible that the vampire could be turned into a zombie, to create some powerful hybrid of the two that would defeat both sides.

ok, this question applies to me in real life, just don't ask, Can the zombie virus be transfered through sexual contact? cuz if it can....:(

Yeah, I think (now that I've talked about it) I'd lean toward vampires just on sheer intelligence. Even if zombies had the advantage in longevity, strength, and speed, vampires would have the advantage of rational thought. Patience, timing, and the use of .50-caliber weaponry to "remove the head or destroy the brain."

And necromancy could make for a few pets. :)

Alien Cyborgs from Mars.

But maybe it's possible that the vampire could be turned into a zombie, to create some powerful hybrid of the two that would defeat both sides.

I said in the OP that I had assumed a vampire couldn't be zombified, and I used the past tense. I'm not sure anymore, since it's a virus and no one ever stated the virus is transmissible only to the living.

my ex, thought dat vampire were
(i never understood that part) beter.
i wonder why?

ok, this question applies to me in real life, just don't ask, Can the zombie virus be transfered through sexual contact? cuz if it can....:(

Well, biting CAN be sexual, and bites are the major cause. I don't know if the virus is secreted in seminal or vaginal fluid -- I'm not sure of any studies on the issue. The friction of sexual activity usually creates microtears that could transmit blood to blood.

I'd say it's possible. If you die in the next couple of hours and then rise again to chew on tasty brains (or toasty brains), then I'd say you've been infected.

I said in the OP that I had assumed a vampire couldn't be zombified, and I used the past tense. I'm not sure anymore, since it's a virus and no one ever stated the virus is transmissible only to the living.

My mistake. In Blade III didn't they use a virus to kill all the vampires?

My mistake. In Blade III didn't they use a virus to kill all the vampires?

:shrug: I don't know -- I've never seen any of the Blade movies.

These are some basic premises I will operate from:
Vampires need to drink blood from something living. Can only be killed by sunlight, stake through the heart, decapitation, and there is something about silver but I cant remember so we will ignore it for now, as I can’t recall any silver wielding zombies.

Zombies are dead, but their animation can be terminated by destroying the brain. They retain a strong instinct to eat but do not really need to, thus they hunger after human flesh but will not ‘die’ without it.

Given that vampires are also highly intelligent, they will likely be able to pen up a few uninfected humans and keep them from the zombies.

The number of vampires killed by zombies will be negligible, while many zombies will die. They will take a while because of the sheer numbers of zombies.

Zombies will also eventually die out due to lack of new zombies. Even if bacteria and such are unable to survive (zombie bacteria?), the brains will eventually rot away. Thus, given enough time, zombies will stop functioning.

Vampires feeding off of animals for a while, and breeding uninfected populations, with good herd management, can have a sustainable food supply.

Thus the vampires triumph over the zombies until, obviously, the pirates and ninjas kill off the vampires. Then the pirates spank the ninjas.

These are some basic premises I will operate from:
Vampires need to drink blood from something living. Can only be killed by sunlight, stake through the heart, decapitation, and there is something about silver but I cant remember so we will ignore it for now, as I can’t recall any silver wielding zombies.

Zombies are dead, but their animation can be terminated by destroying the brain. They retain a strong instinct to eat but do not really need to, thus they hunger after human flesh but will not ‘die’ without it.

Given that vampires are also highly intelligent, they will likely be able to pen up a few uninfected humans and keep them from the zombies.

The number of vampires killed by zombies will be negligible, while many zombies will die. They will take a while because of the sheer numbers of zombies.

Zombies will also eventually die out due to lack of new zombies. Even if bacteria and such are unable to survive (zombie bacteria?), the brains will eventually rot away. Thus, given enough time, zombies will stop functioning.

Vampires feeding off of animals for a while, and breeding uninfected populations, with good herd management, can have a sustainable food supply.

Thus the vampires triumph over the zombies until, obviously, the pirates and ninjas kill off the vampires. Then the pirates spank the ninjas.

Bitch please, no way a mere pirate could take out a vampire.

Thus the vampires triumph over the zombies until, obviously, the pirates and ninjas kill off the vampires. Then the pirates spank the ninjas.

I bow to your superior intellect, EC.

Before I went to bed last night, my wife asked me a question that still has me stumped. Suppose a world with vampires has a Dawn of the Dead type accident. 2004 DOTD, not the 1979 original. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

My first instinct was to say the zombies for two reasons: (1) the zombies have all day AND all night to recruit, unlike the vampires, and (2) once the living humans start going away so does the vampires' food source. The point of a vampire drinking blood is that it is the life force of the living. I was assuming that vampires couldn't drink zombie blood.

Then, I realized that since vampires are harder to kill than humans -- presumably, a zombie bite won't convert a vampire and zombies aren't proficient with wooden stakes -- the vampires would be able to kill off a larger proportion of the zombie population before getting dusted.

So, I ask for help. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?Vampires... why and how?

Vampires would command the zombies. and the Zombies would then turn into the vampire's army to corrale and subjugate the remaining human population.

So, I ask for help. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

Depends on whose side Chuck Norris is on. :p

Not in my experience.

You have experience with vampires? :confused:

Haven't you seen Interview with a Vampire?

"Never drink from the dead." Vamps are screwed.

Vampires... why and how?

Vampires would command the zombies. and the Zombies would then turn into the vampire's army to corrale and subjugate the remaining human population.

Yeah, once I knew more about vampiric necromancy, I came to this conclusion as well. I'd never heard about when I wrote the OP.

Dawn of the Dead zombies eat flesh, not brains. Also, they do not need to eat flesh for sustenance, nor does it give them any, this was established in Day of the Dead. They eat it because that is their strongest instinct.

I think the zombies would win. First of all, the zombies don't infect people with zombiness. The infect people with the diseases that rotting corpses have. ALL dead corpses have their brains partially reanimated as zombies, probably from radiation from a crashed satelite (as established in Night of the Living Dead).
So, if vampires' brains 'go dead' when they rest, or if they would be dead and it is the spirit that the vampire is made of, the brain of the vampire may be reactivated in that way.


Anyway, the purpose of George A. Romero's movies isn't that the zombies are so amazingly deadly. In fact, it is shown in Dawn of the Dead how incredibly easy they are to defeat, even when odds are against the person. The true cause of zombies taking over the world in that movie was instead of uniting against the zombies and dealing with the situation logically, people relied on their emotions for guidance and wouldn't work with each other, occasionally working against each other.

-----Spoiler-----
The original Dawn of the Dead movie ends the way it does because people are fighting each other (not even over valuable resources!). The main characters have something good going and the other characters come in and ruin it completely to steal a bunch of (in the setting) useless jewelry and valuables.
----END spoilers----


So, unless vampires are really cooperative and/or magical they will probably be overtaken as the humans are.

Yeah, once I knew more about vampiric necromancy, I came to this conclusion as well. I'd never heard about when I wrote the OP.

but considering that you and your wife talk about this...



must be a interesting marrage... :D

St Jello Biafra;11860314']Haven't you seen Interview with a Vampire?

"Never drink from the dead." Vamps are screwed.

and Vamps can drink the blood of animals.... disgusting, but they can live off of em...

i know why you can not awnser.

but considering that you and your wife talk about this...



must be a interesting marrage... :D

LOL, it is indeed.

i know why you can not awnser.

Why is that?

Why is that?
lol,

Dawn of the Dead zombies eat flesh, not brains. Also, they do not need to eat flesh for sustenance, nor does it give them any, this was established in Day of the Dead. They eat it because that is their strongest instinct.

I think the zombies would win. First of all, the zombies don't infect people with zombiness. The infect people with the diseases that rotting corpses have. ALL dead corpses have their brains partially reanimated as zombies, probably from radiation from a crashed satelite (as established in Night of the Living Dead).
So, if vampires' brains 'go dead' when they rest, or if they would be dead and it is the spirit that the vampire is made of, the brain of the vampire may be reactivated in that way.


Anyway, the purpose of George A. Romero's movies isn't that the zombies are so amazingly deadly. In fact, it is shown in Dawn of the Dead how incredibly easy they are to defeat, even when odds are against the person. The true cause of zombies taking over the world in that movie was instead of uniting against the zombies and dealing with the situation logically, people relied on their emotions for guidance and wouldn't work with each other, occasionally working against each other.

-----Spoiler-----
The original Dawn of the Dead movie ends the way it does because people are fighting each other (not even over valuable resources!). The main characters have something good going and the other characters come in and ruin it completely to steal a bunch of (in the setting) useless jewelry and valuables.
----END spoilers----


So, unless vampires are really cooperative and/or magical they will probably be overtaken as the humans are.

But the question I asked (because my wife specifically said *this* one) was regarding the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead, not the 1979 original. The 2004 zombies *are* infected by a virus, and are faster and stronger.

Before I went to bed last night, my wife asked me a question that still has me stumped. Suppose a world with vampires has a Dawn of the Dead type accident. 2004 DOTD, not the 1979 original. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

My first instinct was to say the zombies for two reasons: (1) the zombies have all day AND all night to recruit, unlike the vampires, and (2) once the living humans start going away so does the vampires' food source. The point of a vampire drinking blood is that it is the life force of the living. I was assuming that vampires couldn't drink zombie blood.

Then, I realized that since vampires are harder to kill than humans -- presumably, a zombie bite won't convert a vampire and zombies aren't proficient with wooden stakes -- the vampires would be able to kill off a larger proportion of the zombie population before getting dusted.

So, I ask for help. Who would win, the vampires or the zombies?

Watch Hellsing, the anime. Alucard wipes the floor with zombies without breaking a sweat.

What is your wife on to ask such a question before you two snugle up for the night good grief.:fluffle: not:sniper:

I'll go with vampires, because the vampires could in a pinch drink each others blood, also they could probably work out a symbiotic relationships with any remaning humans, were they protect the humans from zombies and the humans provide them with food, after all the vampire dosen't have to drain the human completly. Even working only at night vampires are fast enough and strong enough that a releativly small group could keep an area clear of zombies, which are the same speed as people and when one is as strong as a vampire and can fly not all that hard to kill, just tear the heads off as you fly by and repeat until you kill the entire zombie group.

Piekrom;11860498']What is your wife on to ask such a question before you two snugle up for the night good grief.:fluffle: not:sniper:

His wife's badass.