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Ok, be honest.

Im gonna be looking out for the kneejerk reactions that betray the fact your a closet racist.
"WHAT! racism sucks, your a nazi screw you you ****." <--- racist.


Who can honestly say they arent a bit racist.

Note, if anyone argues the point that black people are equal (which they are) i shall be forced to tear them limb from limb due to their lack of understanding on the word Racism.

I'm not in much of a position to discriminate against anyone, whether I want to or not.

I don't believe I'm racist in the slightest. Other people may disagree, because I tell racist jokes, but I do only tell them if I think they're funny. I've been on the receiving end of racism a fair few times.

Since your definition of Racism seems to be soooooo inclusive, I'd like to hear it, so that I can indeed say whether or not I fit into this category. Perhaps give some necessary and sufficient conditions for one's being a racist. E.g.;
Person P is a racist if
Person P is a racist if and only if,
etc.

Otherwise, you're just waiting for someone to deny that they're a racist based on their common understanding of it, and then make them feel bad because your definition of racism includes them, despite the fact that they're doing all they can to not judge people solely on race.

Why don't you include "I'm not racist at all" in the poll? Must you assume everyone is one, at least a little bit?

I must say I'm not the best example, because in the past, about 90% of the crimes I've been exposed to we're by black people, and for that I still feel a little prejudice, but otherwise, I'd say I'm not even a bit racist.

You should remake that poll. Saying one is not a racist doesn't mean one is a racist. Silly.

*hand up*

I have been on the giving and recieving end of racism.

I know I have some leanings on judgements of people of particular races, and that some of these leanings make me make choices.

In some defense - most of those leanings stem from a fair number of experiences with p[eople of particular races, and although it is not really fair I sometimes extrapolate those judgements onto other people of that race.

I am however aware of this aspect of me, and really don't like myself for it. I would prefer not to have those leanings and to judge each person on their own merits. And I make an effort to act in the way I know I should.

Just a bit, and mainly against certain aspects of culture that tend to be displayed by other races. Of course, I hate some aspects of my races culture too. Anyway, I am a firm believer in the idea that there are some things that are either right or wrong regardless of culture.

I'm not racist, but... Jews stole my money, Eskimos stole my beer, Americans stole my country, Christians stole my culture, Italians stole my girlfriend, Poles stole my job, Muslims stole my drugs, Swedes stole my bike and a dog ate my homework.

In all seriousness though, I am not a racist. I have the same stereotypical perception of various cultures & ideologies as everyone else, and being conscious about it is a constant battle. Fortunately I have a bunch of friends from various cultures who aren't afraid to point out when I'm being an idiot.

I voted for "subconscious racism", but I prefer to call it "xenophobia" more than outright racism.
Xenophobia is the (almost) natural fear of the "other". Different skin colour can easily trigger xenophobia, for example. I recognise xenophobia as a totally irrational fear, and I try and control my own xenophobic instincts and use reason instead.

Ok, be honest.

Im gonna be looking out for the kneejerk reactions that betray the fact your a closet racist.
"WHAT! racism sucks, your a nazi screw you you ****." <--- racist.

What kind of lame-ass pseudo-psychological reasoning is that?


Who can honestly say they arent a bit racist.

I can, thanks.

How's this: People who say "Everyone is a little bit racist" are closet racists who are inventing a justification designed to make them feel less like the asshole they are.

Who can honestly say they arent a bit racist.

Er...me?

I fucking hate racism. It is one of two things in the world that invariably shits me. Everytime I encounter racism I am overwhelmed with the searing compulsion to beat the offender into a gooey paste. It truly is the greatest bastion of stupidity and insecurity. FUCK! Just thinking about it pisses me off.

I am constantly becoming aware of stereotypes that I have and operate on. While I don't think that stereotypes are bad in themselves, I always analyze my own and work very hard at ceasing to exhibit the ones I feel are harmful to myself or others, especially those stereotypes that I could spread through my actions.

In Soviet Russia, racist are YOU!!!

How's this: People who say "Everyone is a little bit racist" are closet racists who are inventing a justification designed to make them feel less like the asshole they are.

Exactly, every one of the Stormfront immigrants have posted that same shitty argument.

I'm such a mutt that any form of racism from me would simply be self hatred.

I'm an ickle bit racist, I know that's a fact. I'm aware of it, and it shows up every so often, always to my conscious minds displeasure. I get real bent out of shape when that happens, and go and watch Schindler's List just for the guilt trip.

im the only other person that told the truth. but i am not racist i hate everyone!

I'm such a mutt that any form of racism from me would simply be self hatred.

In other words, you're the future ethnic identity of humanity.

In other words, you're the future ethnic identity of humanity.

I could live with that.

and the people that did not vote for the top option are kidding themselves!.

I'm not racist, but... Jews stole my money, Eskimos stole my beer, Americans stole my country, Christians stole my culture, Italians stole my girlfriend, Poles stole my job, Muslims stole my drugs, Swedes stole my bike and a dog ate my homework.

In all seriousness though, I am not a racist. I have the same stereotypical perception of various cultures & ideologies as everyone else, and being conscious about it is a constant battle. Fortunately I have a bunch of friends from various cultures who aren't afraid to point out when I'm being an idiot.

Wow. Excellent litany of fictional offenses, there Sim..! :)

As for myself,.. I'm only a racist (or "whatever-ist") when someone lives down to the stereotype.

Individual behavior will always trump racist preconceptions.

ANY individual, if they prove they're not "worthy" of being labelled stereotypically (racistly) negatively by their actions, will always be able to overcome the "racism" of MOST (not all) people that they meet.

Those people that still see them in a negative light aren't worth associating with anyway.

I rarely find myself attracted to black guys. I think it's probably some sort of cultural condition, since the black guys I am attracted to have more caucasian features.

I rarely find myself attracted to black guys. I think it's probably some sort of cultural condition, since the black guys I am attracted to have more caucasian features.

As long as you're attracted to me, all is well. ;)

No, seriously ...

Physical attraction rarely has anything to do with race. It is a matter of preference. Not being "generally" attracted to black men really doesn't matter so much since, perhaps, your preference leans toward certain aesthetics.

As aesthetics are nothing more than opinion, no racism there.

Now ... were you to not be attracted to black men because you thought them all to be dead-beats who just want a white trophy ... *that* would be racist.

As long as you're attracted to me, all is well. ;)

No, seriously ...

Physical attraction rarely has anything to do with race. It is a matter of preference. Not being "generally" attracted to black men really doesn't matter so much since, perhaps, your preference leans toward certain aesthetics.

As aesthetics are nothing more than opinion, no racism there.

Now ... were you to not be attracted to black men because you thought them all to be dead-beats who just want a white trophy ... *that* would be racist.

i disagree i believe interacial relationships are more to do with shock value than anything else (even in this day and age).

Everybody is a little bit racist. The question is whether you are a bigot or not.

i disagree i believe interacial relationships are more to do with shock value than anything else (even in this day and age).

Not at all. I don't think I've ever thought about the race of the person I'm dating and I've been with a veritable cornucopia of colors and what have you.

I've found it no different being with a black girl or a chinese girl or a white girl.

No shock value involved.

If you're with someone just for the shock value, I'd suggest dating a mutant or perhaps a horse.

Not at all. I don't think I've ever thought about the race of the person I'm dating and I've been with a veritable cornucopia of colors and what have you.

I've found it no different being with a black girl or a chinese girl or a white girl.

No shock value involved.

If you're with someone just for the shock value, I'd suggest dating a mutant or perhaps a horse.

yeah that is a good point

but are you saying all women are the same (thats my girlfriends point of view not mine btw)?
p.s. she of mixed race :)

I'm not much of a racist, I always drive very slowly! :p

I'm not much of a racist, I always drive very slowly! :p

lol good one

Wow, all the way to 30-something posts and no one's brought up that "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" song and dance number from...jeez, where was that from again...I'll go look it up and get back to you.

EDIT: Here's the link...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11658355&postcount=3321

Yes, it's to a post in the UN forum in one of the greatest threads ever hatched, but I don't know you people well enough to get into why I don't like to link directly to YouTube...

but are you saying all women are the same (thats my girlfriends point of view not mine btw)?
p.s. she of mixed race :)

What? Oh god no .... women are like snowflakes. If I ever ran into two who were alike, I think the Universe would implode.

to be honest i don't think race is the big issue anymore it is religious intolerance that is the big danger that has reared it's ugly head (again ).

The only bit of racism I ever commit, if you can even call it that, is noting a person's ethnicity. Mostly in the sense of gathering information, as if I was taking notes on everything I see in my life. (Which I do in a way, but that's just me.)

my girlfriend has just said something quite profound im going to have a lie down for a while.

to be honest i don't think race is the big issue anymore it is religious intolerance that is the big danger that has reared it's ugly head (again ).

Aye that is a big one. I find more and more people asking my religion before they ask just about anything else. It's nutty.

Nur ein bisschen.

she says " it seems that people are scared of saying what they really think and feel they have to explain away their real opinion in case of offending said individuals"

I hate ALL races, ALL of them. Everyone of any race i hate and want to die. The only ONLY race that is superior and great it MYSELF!

she says " it seems that people are scared of saying what they really think and feel they have to explain away their real opinion in case of offending said individuals"

True on so many levels ...

Me? I don't care who I offend. I just came off a week long forum ban for an awesome statement in the "What to do in NY" thread that I don't regret for a second.

People can be so sensitive.

Nur ein bisschen.

i don't understand German if that is what that is?

True on so many levels ...

Me? I don't care who I offend. I just came off a week long forum ban for an awesome statement in the "What to do in NY" thread that I don't regret for a second.

People can be so sensitive.

here here

i wish i was there to hear what was said!

In Soviet Russia, racist are YOU!!!

No, in Soviet Russia, If your shot for thinking you better than anyone else for any reason. I like that. :cool:

here here

i wish i was there to hear what was said!

Heh ... something about snorting the ashes of 9/11 victims like cocaine. You can do a forum search to find the actual statement.

Still makes me laugh!

i don't understand German if that is what that is?

"Just a bit"

"Just a bit"
Thanks.

I don't get the last option on this poll. Even if I am a bit racist, that doesn't mean I don't support the equality of all before the law and in terms of rights.

Nur ein bisschen.
Nein!

Nein!
Warum nicht, mein Liebling?

PS: Could you translate that Bushism in your sig into English? :p

Heh ... something about snorting the ashes of 9/11 victims like cocaine. You can do a forum search to find the actual statement.

Still makes me laugh!

good on you ( if a bit rough even for me) . time for a beer me thinks

Yeah, I don't really like most Americans and I can be horribly racist towards them to be honest.

Other than that, not really at all.

good on you ( if a bit rough even for me) . time for a beer me thinks

Aye ... a bit rough of a statement ... but I don't think the emotional knee-jerk reaction from the mod who banned me was really appropriate considering we're on a forum where it's ok to bash Christians, Atheists, Muslims, Republicans, Americans, and all manner of folk ....

But say something crass about 9/11? Oh noes!

But say something crass about 9/11? Oh noes!
Lol I suppose that's the American equivalent of those Danish Mohammed cartoons. <.<

Lol I suppose that's the American equivalent of those Danish Mohammed cartoons. <.<

I'm frankly surprised my embassies weren't burned down. Guess that fire proofing really did the trick!

Aye ... a bit rough of a statement ... but I don't think the emotional knee-jerk reaction from the mod who banned me was really appropriate considering we're on a forum where it's ok to bash Christians, Atheists, Muslims, Republicans, Americans, and all manner of folk ....

But say something crass about 9/11? Oh noes!

it makes me wonder about the motives of the mod in question?

it makes me wonder about the motives of the mod in question?

Emotional response ... nothing more. The mod is a good mod and a good person ... I just touched a nerve.

I want to vote that I am a little racist. But that isn't an option. I'm not "probably" racist - I know I am. And I am certainly not probobly racist. And though some of it is subconscious (sp?), I am aware of it. But I am not very racist at all.

A more accurate statement, tho, is that I believe a few stereotypes and form opinions on people before I get to know them. But everyone does that. Besides, it should be kept in mind, lots of stereotypes exist because they are often true. It is only a problem when you blindly assume that because a person fits into this category he or she MUST also fit the stereotype. I'm blonde, and not dumb.

On a somewhat side note, Bitchkitten said she wasn't attracted to Black guys. And I gotta say, I think some are hot. In middle school lots of (Black) girls though light-skinned guys were better looking. I've never understood that. For one thing, it is like a subset of racism. For another thing, hot guys come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. I think dark skin is sexy as hell. But I know sexy White guys, too. And sexy Asian Americans and Latinos. I've never had difficulty finding any race particularly attractive.

On a somewhat side note, Bitchkitten said she wasn't attracted to Black guys. And I gotta say, I think some are hot. In middle school lots of (Black) girls though light-skinned guys were better looking. I've never understood that. For one thing, it is like a subset of racism. For another thing, hot guys come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. I think dark skin is sexy as hell. But I know sexy White guys, too. And sexy Asian Americans and Latinos. I've never had difficulty finding any race particularly attractive.
Meh, only white guys attract me -- nothing else. Latinos are not a race by the way.

This in particular is not a subset of racism by the way -- I don't find women attractive in the least, but I am hardly sexist.

I want to vote that I am a little racist. But that isn't an option. I'm not "probably" racist - I know I am. And I am certainly not probobly racist. And though some of it is subconscious (sp?), I am aware of it. But I am not very racist at all.

A more accurate statement, tho, is that I believe a few stereotypes and form opinions on people before I get to know them. But everyone does that. Besides, it should be kept in mind, lots of stereotypes exist because they are often true. It is only a problem when you blindly assume that because a person fits into this category he or she MUST also fit the stereotype. I'm blonde, and not dumb.

On a somewhat side note, Bitchkitten said she wasn't attracted to Black guys. And I gotta say, I think some are hot. In middle school lots of (Black) girls though light-skinned guys were better looking. I've never understood that. For one thing, it is like a subset of racism. For another thing, hot guys come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. I think dark skin is sexy as hell. But I know sexy White guys, too. And sexy Asian Americans and Latinos. I've never had difficulty finding any race particularly attractive.


it sounds like a philosophy i used to have befor i met my long time girlfriend " every holes a goal"

I've never met any one who isn't white before so I have no reason to hate them.
:D

I've never met any one who isn't white before so I have no reason to hate them.
:D

do you live on some island off scotland or something?

do you live on some island off scotland or something?

No Im just lying to you all.

Warum nicht, mein Liebling?

PS: Could you translate that Bushism in your sig into English? :p

Um...I only knew that phrase of German. No idea what you're saying now, though I think it might be something like "What makes you say that?"

As for the Bushism, it's that one about the Fool me once, fool me twice bit put into that mistranslator thingy that one person came up with in that one thread.

Meh, only white guys attract me -- nothing else. Latinos are not a race by the way.

This in particular is not a subset of racism by the way -- I don't find women attractive in the least, but I am hardly sexist.

Maybe, but there seemed to be more than just thinking people with lighter skin tones were more attractive. There seemed to be a group that thought lighter skin meant the person was better, not just better looking. But I see what you mean.

good call with the Latinos not being a race, too. Thanks for reminding me.

Maybe, but there seemed to be more than just thinking people with lighter skin tones were more attractive. There seemed to be a group that thought lighter skin meant the person was better, not just better looking. But I see what you mean.

good call with the Latinos not being a race, too. Thanks for reminding me.

Racism has nothing to do with "race".

It has everything to do with some "in" group's relation with some "out" group.

Blue-earlobe-painted people are "racist" against Green-earlobe-painted people because their "race" doesn't like, for whatever reason, Green-earlobe-painted people.

The word "race" simply means "arbitrary category decided upon within a select group of people", and nothing more.

A "race" is just a "course" of something,.. in other words, some established "track", or persistent tendency, that distinguishes one group of things from another.

I will base how I act on what I know about a person; if race is the only thing that I know about a person, then that will determine how I act towards them. And it does change depending on what race they are. I don't know if thats what racism is, exactly, but I think that it shows racist tendencies.

Going to an elemntary school that was 93% black and hispanic, 6% white and me being in the less than 1% of "other", my racism might be a little different than other peoples. Anecdote: I once had a teacher who was convinced the Jews were taking over the world. She had nothing against the Jews in my class, cause they were too young to know any better, but once and a while she should rant about how the Jews were keeping the blacks down. Funny school.

this thread is dead !

Um...I only knew that phrase of German. No idea what you're saying now, though I think it might be something like "What makes you say that?"
It means "why not my dear?". :)

As for the Bushism, it's that one about the Fool me once, fool me twice bit put into that mistranslator thingy that one person came up with in that one thread.
It makes so little sense it's actually funny.

Who can honestly say they arent a bit racist.


I can honestly say I'm not a bit racist.

I am. Quite what I define as a race is a different matter....

I think people in certain races act different, but i don't think mine [insert dergogatory term] is any better than any other races.

I've been accused of such before, but that's really because I believe that some cultures are stronger than others. I dont believe the same of races. In any case, I eschew anyone who accuses me of such. The people who usually toss out those kind of accusations are not worth engaging seriously.

I will be the first to admit that EVERYONE, even a saint like myself [/bullshit], is at least a little bit racist. I've seen certain groups, or heard about certain ethnicities, and I've run scenarios in my mind (Is he gonna rob me now? Will I be safe on the plane with that man?). It's not subconscious, because I'm aware of it, but the reason I don't consider myself a "true" racist is for one very important reason: I know that the thoughts are irrational, and thus, I banish them from my mind. I know it's not fair to judge a group of people so broadly. Part of racism is cultural viewpoint, and part of acceptance is how one has grown up. I think I've had the best in both cases.

Growing up in the 60s in Alabama, racism was all around me. I was somewhat racist for a while due to the lack of understanding that comes with young age. After I befriended a few black folks it made me wonder what the hell was the big deal to begin with? After I heard about Dr. Charles Drew I came to the conclusion that people that dislike other people because of skin color are nothing more that idiots.

I will be the first to admit that EVERYONE, even a saint like myself [/bullshit], is at least a little bit racist

Oh gee, thanks for "admitting" slander about other people.

You know, I'm just gonna "admit" that everyone is actually a "little bit terrorist."

Oh gee, thanks for "admitting" slander about other people.

You know, I'm just gonna "admit" that everyone is actually a "little bit terrorist."

Ever had a parking ticket?
How about thought bad bad thoughts about vandalism.

YOU SUCK :D

Oh gee, thanks for "admitting" slander about other people.

You know, I'm just gonna "admit" that everyone is actually a "little bit terrorist."

...Mur?

First two points.

1: I may have worded it wrong, if that is the case, and I have offended, then I appologize.

2: I am sincerely of the opinion that no person is perfect, and that at our core, we all have the capacity for things like racism.

And...If everyone was a little bit terrorist...well...in all likelyhood you and I comrade would not be sitting at our respective computers typing across cyberspace.

Ever had a parking ticket?
How about thought bad bad thoughts about vandalism.

YOU SUCK :D

When I was 11, and playing MS Flight Simulator, I would constantly take off with my Cessna and crash it into the Sears Tower. On purpose.

True story!

im just gonna say this once.

think of it like this.

100% Racist 0%Equalist.


Most people fall here:

1<30 % racist.

If ANYONE on earth can claim ANY of there traits are 100% something without slight falter in there fervour, they are deranged and in need of help as it shows close mindedness.

...Mur?

First two points.

1: I may have worded it wrong, if that is the case, and I have offended, then I appologize.

Its ok. I'm used to being called racist on the basis of the fact that I'm human.

2: I am sincerely of the opinion that no person is perfect, and that at our core, we all have the capacity for things like racism.

Well, sure. And we all have the capacity to be complicit with things like genocide, nazism, fascism...

Doesn't really mean "everyone is a little bit nazi."

Capacity=/=actuality.

And...If everyone was a little bit terrorist...well...in all likelyhood you and I comrade would not be sitting at our respective computers typing across cyberspace.

Why not? We just haven't found the explosive jackets and a good target yet.