NationStates Jolt Archive

If anyone is interested, right-wingers in Missouri have put together this ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguJQ_dRPXw) as a reply to the Michael J. Fox ad. Man, does it suck.


Oh gods. I suppose I'm going to have to look forward to seeing that dreck on TV several hundred times before November 7th. Ah, the joys of living in a swing state with an exceptionally tight senate race.

What's even more depressing, though, is that one of our local news programs (part of the "liberal media," obviously) apparently aired some local celebrities' so-called "rebuttal" of the Michael J. Fox ad a couple of nights ago. As news. (Just to make it even more ridiculous, most of the "local celebrities" were players for the KC Royals. I'm guessing we're supposed to care about their opinions on the grounds that they can't be worse at politics than they are at baseball?)

*sighs*

I can see why one side of the family ran from that state. ;)

We're not all bad, I swear!

What I always point out to people is that Missouri did, in fact, prefer a dead man to John Ashcroft. That's got to count for something, right? :)

And what the hell would the private sector get out of funding embryonic stem cell research?

And why the hell would Limbaugh and friends support experimentation with lines currently in existence if they oppose the practice? If they consider destroying embryos to be murder, why would they support the murder of all of the embryos currently available for experimentation?


Go do some reading up on the subject. The stem cell lines are already harvested..its NEW ..stem cell lines..

You know what go read up on the subject and come back.

Oh gods. I suppose I'm going to have to look forward to seeing that dreck on TV several hundred times before November 7th. Ah, the joys of living in a swing state with an exceptionally tight senate race.

What's even more depressing, though, is that one of our local news programs (part of the "liberal media," obviously) apparently aired some local celebrities' so-called "rebuttal" of the Michael J. Fox ad a couple of nights ago. As news. (Just to make it even more ridiculous, most of the "local celebrities" were players for the KC Royals. I'm guessing we're supposed to care about their opinions on the grounds that they can't be worse at politics than they are at baseball?)



We're not all bad, I swear!

What I always point out to people is that Missouri did, in fact, prefer a dead man to John Ashcroft. That's got to count for something, right? :)

Asscrack Is still alive ? I thought he took a heart attack or something ?



And what the hell would the private sector get out of funding embryonic stem cell research?
:rolleyes: :D :D :D :D

Asscrack Is still alive ? I thought he took a heart attack or something ?


Ashcroft is still alive, unless something has happened to him in the last couple of hours since I checked the news. :)

Anyway, I was referring to the 2000 Missouri Senate race, in which Mel Carnahan defeated John Ashcroft despite having died in a plane crash a couple of weeks earlier.

If anyone is interested, right-wingers in Missouri have put together this ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguJQ_dRPXw) as a reply to the Michael J. Fox ad. Man, does it suck.
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That seems a bit far fetched. Michael J Fox advocated voting for one candidate in the upcoming elections and voiced his displeasure with a second candidate.


The ad you put up is advocating voting against Missouri's amendment 2.(the text of which I include below) The ad which supposedly replies to the ad by Mr Fox does not mention or show any candidate for office nor does it mention or show Fox.

Complete Text of the Missouri Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative


Be it resolved by the people of the State of Missouri that the Constitution be amended:

One new section is adopted by adding one new section to be known as section 38(d) of Article III to read as follows:

Section 38(d). 1. This section shall be known as the “Missouri Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative.”

2. To ensure that Missouri patients have access to stem cell therapies and cures, that Missouri researchers can conduct stem cell research in the state, and that all such research is conducted safely and ethically, any stem cell research permitted under federal law may be conducted in Missouri, and any stem cell therapies and cures permitted under federal law may be provided to patients in Missouri, subject to the requirements of federal law and only the following additional limitations and requirements:

(1) No person may clone or attempt to clone a human being.

(2) No human blastocyst may be produced by fertilization solely for the purpose of stem cell research.

(3) No stem cells may be taken from a human blastocyst more than fourteen days after cell division begins; provided, however, that time during which a blastocyst is frozen does not count against the fourteen-day limit.

(4) No person may, for valuable consideration, purchase or sell human blastocysts or eggs for stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures.

(5) Human blastocysts and eggs obtained for stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures must have been donated with voluntary and informed consent, documented in writing.

(6) Human embryonic stem cell research may be conducted only by persons that, within 180 days of the effective date of this section or otherwise prior to commencement of such research, whichever is later, have

(a) provided oversight responsibility and approval authority for such research to an embryonic stem cell research oversight committee whose membership includes representatives of the public and medical and scientific experts;

(b) adopted ethical standards for such research that comply with the requirements of this section; and

(c) obtained a determination from an Institutional Review Board that the research complies with all applicable federal statutes and regulations that the Institutional Review Board is responsible for administering.

(7) All stem cell research and all stem cell therapies and cures must be conducted and provided in accordance with state and local laws of general applicability, including but not limited to laws concerning scientific and medical practices and patient safety and privacy, to the extent that any such laws do not (i) prevent, restrict, obstruct, or discourage any stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures that are permitted by the provisions of this section other than this subdivision (7) to be conducted or provided, or (ii) create disincentives for any person to engage in or otherwise associate with such research or therapies and cures.

3. Any person who knowingly and willfully violates in this state subdivision (1) of subsection 2 of this section commits a crime and shall be punished by imprisonment for a period of up to fifteen years or by the imposition of a fine of up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars, or by both. Any person who knowingly and willfully violates in this state subdivisions (2) or (3) of subsection 2 of this section commits a crime and shall be punished by imprisonment for a period of up to ten years or by the imposition of a fine of up to one hundred thousand dollars, or by both. A civil action may be brought against any person who knowingly and willfully violates in this state any of subdivisions (1) through (6) of subsection 2 of this section, and the state in such action shall be entitled to a judgment recovering a civil penalty of up to fifty thousand dollars per violation, requiring disgorgement of any financial profit derived from such violation, and/or enjoining any further such violation. The attorney general shall have the exclusive right to bring a civil action for such violation. Venue for such action shall be the county in which the alleged violation occurred.

4. Each institution, hospital, other entity, or other person conducting human embryonic stem cell research in the state shall (i) prepare an annual report stating the nature of the human embryonic stem cells used in, and the purpose of, the research conducted during the prior calendar year, and certifying compliance with subdivision (6) of subsection 2 of this section; and (ii) no later than June 30 of the subsequent year, make such report available to the public and inform the Secretary of State how the public may obtain copies of or otherwise gain access to the report. The report shall not contain private or confidential medical, scientific, or other information. Individuals conducting research at an institution, hospital, or other entity that prepares and makes available a report pursuant to this subsection 4 concerning such research are not required to prepare and make available a separate report concerning that same research. A civil action may be brought against any institution, hospital, other entity, or other person that fails to prepare or make available the report or inform the Secretary of State how the public may obtain copies of or otherwise gain access to the report, and the state in such action shall be entitled as its sole remedy to an affirmative injunction requiring such institution, hospital, other entity, or other person to prepare and make available the report or inform the Secretary of State how the public may obtain or otherwise gain access to the report. The attorney general shall have the exclusive right to bring a civil action for such violation.

5. To ensure that no governmental body or official arbitrarily restricts funds designated for purposes other than stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures as a means of inhibiting lawful stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures, no state or local governmental body or official shall eliminate, reduce, deny, or withhold any public funds provided or eligible to be provided to a person that (i) lawfully conducts stem cell research or provides stem cell therapies and cures, allows for such research or therapies and cures to be conducted or provided on its premises, or is otherwise associated with such research or therapies and cures, but (ii) receives or is eligible to receive such public funds for purposes other than such stem cell-related activities, on account of, or otherwise for the purpose of creating disincentives for any person to engage in or otherwise associate with, or preventing, restricting, obstructing, or discouraging, such stem cell-related activities.

6. As used in this section, the following terms have the following meanings:

(1) “Blastocyst” means a small mass of cells that results from cell division, caused either by fertilization or somatic cell nuclear transfer, that has not been implanted in a uterus.

(2) “Clone or attempt to clone a human being” means to implant in a uterus or attempt to implant in a uterus anything other than the product of fertilization of an egg of a human female by a sperm of a human male for the purpose of initiating a pregnancy that could result in the creation of a human fetus, or the birth of a human being.

(3) “Donated” means donated for use in connection either with scientific or medical research or with medical treatment.

(4) “Fertilization” means the process whereby an egg of a human female and the sperm of a human male form a zygote (i.e., fertilized egg).

(5) “Human embryonic stem cell research,” also referred to as “early stem cell research,” means any scientific or medical research involving human stem cells derived from in vitro fertilization blastocysts or from somatic cell nuclear transfer. For purposes of this section, human embryonic stem cell research does not include stem cell clinical trials.

(6) “In vitro fertilization” means fertilization of an egg with a sperm outside the body.

(7) “Institutional Review Board” means a specially constituted review board established and operating in accordance with federal law as set forth in 42 U.S.C. 289, 45 C.F.R. Part 46, and any other applicable federal statutes and regulations, as amended from time to time.

(8) “Permitted under federal law” means, as it relates to stem cell research and stem cell therapies and cures, any such research, therapies, and cures that are not prohibited under federal law from being conducted or provided, regardless of whether federal funds are made available for such activities.

(9) “Person” means any natural person, corporation, association, partnership, public or private institution, or other legal entity.

(10) “Private or confidential medical, scientific, or other information” means any private or confidential patient, medical, or personnel records or matters, intellectual property or work product, whether patentable or not and including but not limited to any scientific or technological innovations in which an entity or person involved in the research has a proprietary interest, prepublication scientific working papers, research, or data, and any other matter excepted from disclosure under Chapter 610, RSMo, as amended from time to time.

(11) “Solely for the purpose of stem cell research” means producing human blastocysts using in vitro fertilization exclusively for stem cell research, but does not include producing any number of human blastocysts for the purpose of treating human infertility.

(12) “Sperm” means mature spermatozoa or precursor cells such as spermatids and spermatocytes.

(13) “Stem cell” means a cell that can divide multiple times and give rise to specialized cells in the body, and includes but is not limited to the stem cells generally referred to as (i) adult stem cells that are found in some body tissues (including but not limited to adult stem cells derived from adult body tissues and from discarded umbilical cords and placentas), and (ii) embryonic stem cells (including but not limited to stem cells derived from in vitro fertilization blastocysts and from cell reprogramming techniques such as somatic cell nuclear transfer).

(14) “Stem cell clinical trials” means federally regulated clinical trials involving stem cells and human subjects designed to develop, or assess or test the efficacy or safety of, medical treatments.

(15) “Stem cell research” means any scientific or medical research involving stem cells. For purposes of this section, stem cell research does not include stem cell clinical trials.

(16) “Stem cell therapies and cures” means any medical treatment that involves or otherwise derives from the use of stem cells, and that is used to treat or cure any disease or injury. For purposes of this section, stem cell therapies and cures does include stem cell clinical trials.

(17) “Valuable consideration” means financial gain or advantage, but does not include reimbursement for reasonable costs incurred in connection with the removal, processing, disposal, preservation, quality control, storage, transfer, or donation of human eggs, sperm, or blastocysts, including lost wages of the donor. Valuable consideration also does not include the consideration paid to a donor of human eggs or sperm by a fertilization clinic or sperm bank, as well as any other consideration expressly allowed by federal law.

7. The provisions of this section and of all state and local laws, regulations, rules, charters, ordinances, and other governmental actions shall be construed in favor of the conduct of stem cell research and the provision of stem cell therapies and cures. No state or local law, regulation, rule, charter, ordinance, or other governmental action shall (i) prevent, restrict, obstruct, or discourage any stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures that are permitted by this section to be conducted or provided, or (ii) create disincentives for any person to engage in or otherwise associate with such research or therapies and cures.

8. The provisions of this section are self-executing. All of the provisions of this section are severable. If any provision of this section is found by a court of competent jurisdiction to be unconstitutional or unconstitutionally enacted, the remaining provisions of this section shall be and remain valid.



Both ads are meant to influence Missouri voters and mention stem cells but those are the only apparent similarities. I'd think that any actual reply to Fox advocating a candidate would at least mention one of the candidates or Fox. This ad appears not to be a reply to Fox's ad so much as it appears to be largely uninfluenced by Fox's ad.

except that it proves Rush right. Rush did accuse him of either acting or not taking his meds.

Well, I heard a doctor who specializes in Parkinson's and other "geriatric" diseases, and he said that Fox's behavior is a side-effect of the medication. That when they don't take their meds they're very stiff and have a lot of trouble moving. When they take the meds, they can move, but get very wobbly.

And what the hell would the private sector get out of funding embryonic stem cell research?

And why the hell would Limbaugh and friends support experimentation with lines currently in existence if they oppose the practice? If they consider destroying embryos to be murder, why would they support the murder of all of the embryos currently available for experimentation?

For the same reason that conservatives praise Dubya for being the only President in history to fund stem-cell research and also being against it.

Conservatives have no moral center. Just a lot of egotistical self-rightousness.