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The thread title says it all.

I think that, like all MS products, it won't work properly for about three years, then they'll introduce a major upgrade, then it will be pretty much standard on most machines.

The need to be able to write will be outdated! There will be fewer bad posts on NS as a result of voice recognition. One can dream.

The need to be able to write will be outdated! There will be fewer bad posts on NS as a result of voice recognition. One can dream.

Knowing how some people talk, it would probably, you know, be better, like, I mean, if people, you know, just typed, like.

I'll probably get it as soon or soon after it comes out. I haven't heard it using any stupid anti-piracy measures or anything; unlike Valve and E-"Spywaretastic"-A, Microsoft doesn't tend to do really stupid stuff.

Since I'm planning on a whole new super system (complete with a NVIDIA 8 series card), I'll get Vista to compliment it.

The thread title says it all.

I think, that like all versions of Windows, it'll be pretty good in a year after all the major bugs are worked out. :)

I'll probably get it as soon or soon after it comes out. I haven't heard it using any stupid anti-piracy measures or anything; unlike Valve and E-"Spywaretastic"-A, Microsoft doesn't tend to do really stupid stuff.
Exactly what's wrong with Vavle's system? Sure you have to PAY for the game... and log in for online verification, but, how is that a bad thing?

I'll probably get it as soon or soon after it comes out. I haven't heard it using any stupid anti-piracy measures or anything; unlike Valve and E-"Spywaretastic"-A, Microsoft doesn't tend to do really stupid stuff.

Since I'm planning on a whole new super system (complete with a NVIDIA 8 series card), I'll get Vista to compliment it.

I've heard that you'll have to register it online, that it regularly checks the validity of your key online and that you can only re-install it twice.

Knowing how some people talk, it would probably, you know, be better, like, I mean, if people, you know, just typed, like.
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The need to be able to write will be outdated! There will be fewer bad posts on NS as a result of voice recognition. One can dream.

Yeah, if you have an American accent.

Have an RC1, I dont hate it and I dont like it.

The gui is an improvement even if it is a hog on system resources. I preffer some other open source gui solutions but it is not bad.

As far as system administration goes it is different enough (at least menu style) without distinguishing itself enough to offer its own features. So in the end you are just left scratching your head till you figure out where to click properly.

So far (and hopefully this will changed) its inability to handle unsigned drivers unless in unsigned driver mode (which I have heard wont be there on the retail version) make it a pain to handle if microsoft does not provide drivers (such as my promice RAID) Also you have to select to boot from that unsigned driver mode. Rather then being able to set the bootloader to go right there (I have found some hacks for that but so far unsucessfull)

In the end ... mehhh

Yeah, if you have an American accent.

I suggest you get to practicing. :)

I suggest you get to practicing. :)

But I don't want to sound like Microsoft Sam. :(

But I don't want to sound like Microsoft Sam. :(

There is a tutorial in Vista that helps you get used to voice recognition and the computer will learn to recognize your voice. You don't need a certain accent; it seems to have no problem with mine and people always ask me if I'm from Eastern Europe...

But I don't want to sound like Microsoft Sam. :(

Tough titty! You will be Americanized or you will be sidelined by technological obsolescence!

If IE7 is any example, it will be pretty but a un user-friendly MS rip of other OS's with Microsoft stuff added in.

There is a tutorial in Vista that helps you get used to voice recognition and the computer will learn to recognize your voice. You don't need a certain accent; it seems to have no problem with mine and people always ask me if I'm from Eastern Europe...

Shh! You're being helpful again. Cut it out! :(

There is a tutorial in Vista that helps you get used to voice recognition and the computer will learn to recognize your voice. You don't need a certain accent; it seems to have no problem with mine and people always ask me if I'm from Eastern Europe...

They never work as well as they claim, though. My girlfriend is dyslexic and so tried the ViaVoice thingy, and it was forever making mistakes, and on really simple words like the/them/they. It's not used any more. :p

Shh! You're being helpful again. Cut it out! :(
I think my configuration is malfunctioning... I'm supposed to be set to nasty bitch. Thank you for reminding me. :p

I think my configuration is malfunctioning... I'm supposed to be set to nasty bitch. Thank you for reminding me. :p

Glad I could help. :)

I suggest you get to practicing. :)

Meh, I probably type faster than I talk anyway.

UpwardThrust is right on the money. That, and there's a few other kinks, such as inability to deal with encrypted files in heterogenous Windows environments.

I expect that Vista will continue to suck for 3-4 service packs, as has already been suggested, and then M$ will start dropping support for it's other client operating systems in an attempt to force everyone to upgrade. By that time, we'll all be used to dealing with whatever's still broken in Vista and will probably fall in line like good little drones. Especially since not even government regulation could stop the companies we work at from wasting their money on upgrading immediately.

There is a tutorial in Vista that helps you get used to voice recognition and the computer will learn to recognize your voice. You don't need a certain accent; it seems to have no problem with mine and people always ask me if I'm from Eastern Europe...

Hm. I've tried voice recognition stuff before that lets you calibrate your voice like that, but they've never been at all accurate.

If IE7 is any example, it will be pretty but a un user-friendly MS rip of other OS's with Microsoft stuff added in.

That is my take on it as well. They stole a lot of features forom compiz/xgl as far as the areo glass effects

They stole some of the serch functions and "Gadgits" from OS

Theme pack is also "borrowed" and in the end just does not FEEL as a complete whole

UpwardThrust is right on the money. That, and there's a few other kinks, such as inability to deal with encrypted files in heterogenous Windows environments.

I expect that Vista will continue to suck for 3-4 service packs, as has already been suggested, and then M$ will start dropping support for it's other client operating systems in an attempt to force everyone to upgrade. By that time, we'll all be used to dealing with whatever's still broken in Vista and will probably fall in line like good little drones. Especially since not even government regulation could stop the companies we work at from wasting their money on upgrading immediately.

Not even encrypted files themselves but encryption all by its lonesome. Kicking on Kerberos/SHA IP sec caused major issues with the vista boxes on one of our small sub domains. How a WINDOWS brand new OS can not handle Kerberose V5 (which seems to be the problem) I don’t know.

Hm. I've tried voice recognition stuff before that lets you calibrate your voice like that, but they've never been at all accurate.

Have you even tried the voice recognition in VISTA?

Has anyone?

My boyfriend had it on his computer when he got the RC1 version of VISTA and the software was pretty functional.

Speak softly and carry a big mic (http://demodulated.blogspot.com/2006/09/speak-softly-and-carry-big-mic.html) - his blog entry about his experience with voice recognition in VISTA (RC1).

EDIT: I'm not blindly posting this because his computer is next to mine and I saw this stuff at work. It looks pretty good.

I operate/d my PCs on MS OSes. MSDOS 5, Win95, WinNT4, Win98, Win2k, WinXP.

But Vista... NEVER! I don't like the trusted computing thing. I want to control my machines, compile whatever program I like and run it. Also I want to download and use free software from the net. I'll have to go Linux (and I don't like Linux, too complicated!) and run Windows emulation.

I operate/d my PCs on MS OSes. MSDOS 5, Win95, WinNT4, Win98, Win2k, WinXP.

But Vista... NEVER! I don't like the trusted computing thing. I want to control my machines, compile whatever program I like and run it. Also I want to download and use free software from the net. I'll have to go Linux (and I don't like Linux, too complicated!) and run Windows emulation.

Certian Distros are not neerly as hard as ya think... trust me start with a desktop distro like ubuntu or fedora ... they are cake usualy

Certian Distros are not neerly as hard as ya think... trust me start with a desktop distro like ubuntu or fedora ... they are cake usualy

I will try. Thanks!

I will try. Thanks!

Yeah np ubuntu is my fav desktop ... I use something a bit more powerfull for servers but thats a whole different point lol

I operate/d my PCs on MS OSes. MSDOS 5, Win95, WinNT4, Win98, Win2k, WinXP.

But Vista... NEVER! I don't like the trusted computing thing. I want to control my machines, compile whatever program I like and run it. Also I want to download and use free software from the net. I'll have to go Linux (and I don't like Linux, too complicated!) and run Windows emulation.

Are these emulators halfway reliable?

One of the reasons I have Windows is because I play games on PC. If these emulators let you play games I might even start to look into Linux.

Are these emulators halfway reliable?

One of the reasons I have Windows is because I play games on PC. If these emulators let you play games I might even start to look into Linux.

http://www.transgaming.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=2&meid=-1

Yummy cedaga for gaming emulator. Or you can use good old wine ... Or you can do a full virtual machine with any OS you want.

UpwardThrust is right on the money. That, and there's a few other kinks, such as inability to deal with encrypted files in heterogenous Windows environments.

I expect that Vista will continue to suck for 3-4 service packs, as has already been suggested, and then M$ will start dropping support for it's other client operating systems in an attempt to force everyone to upgrade. By that time, we'll all be used to dealing with whatever's still broken in Vista and will probably fall in line like good little drones. Especially since not even government regulation could stop the companies we work at from wasting their money on upgrading immediately.

meh, we won't upgrade here at work. partly because we're a small business, but mostly because i personally see little point. i'm very happy with XP and we have 3rd party software and hardware to protect our systems, and as such have never had any problems with windows or viruses, malware, etc. in fact, since we started using XP i can't recall a single virus infection we got, bar maybe an email worm or somesuch. all our computer problems have been hardware related.

perhaps we've been lucky, but why should we upgrade?

I operate/d my PCs on MS OSes. MSDOS 5, Win95, WinNT4, Win98, Win2k, WinXP.

But Vista... NEVER! I don't like the trusted computing thing. I want to control my machines, compile whatever program I like and run it. Also I want to download and use free software from the net. I'll have to go Linux (and I don't like Linux, too complicated!) and run Windows emulation.

What do any of those complaints have to do with Vista?

What do any of those complaints have to do with Vista?

Trusted computing is one of the features of Vista.
It basically allows you to run only software and hardware that's been certified by MS. This will further MS monopoly and I allow only one monopoly on my computers.
MY MONOPOLY!

Vista, I don't think so. Atleast not for several years. I just got xp about a year ago. Still don't like it. Every windows "upgrade" bloats the OS more, hogs more resources and further integrates microsoft's bloated programs into the OS.

I'll probably have it on the next PC I buy.

*shrugs*

I've heard that you'll have to register it online, that it regularly checks the validity of your key online and that you can only re-install it twice.

That's... fucking stupid. I might stick with XP now. Well, I never thought I'd say this... but it might be time I went Mac/Linux.

That's... fucking stupid. I might stick with XP now.

Actually, it seems that I got that installation part wrong. I've read that today in an interview where it said "it can only be installed 2 times".

Here is how that is supposed to work:

The introduction of restrictions on retail buyers legally transfering their copy of Vista has been critised. Microsoft has changed the licensing terms for Vista to allow buyers of retail copies of Vista to transfer their software to a new machine only once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will have to buy a new copy. Separate rules will apply for OEM versions of Windows installed on new PCs. In most cases, copies of Windows Vista purchased on a new PC will not be able to be legally transferred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Windows_Vista

So that leaves the question what MS considers to be a new machine? A mainboard upgrade? A processor upgrade? :confused:

I used it for a week before going back to XP.

Says enough, I think.

I expect that Vista will continue to suck for 3-4 service packs, as has already been suggested, and then M$ will start dropping support for it's other client operating systems in an attempt to force everyone to upgrade. By that time, we'll all be used to dealing with whatever's still broken in Vista and will probably fall in line like good little drones. Especially since not even government regulation could stop the companies we work at from wasting their money on upgrading immediately.

They are already forcing gamers to upgrade since there will be no DirectX 10 for other Windows versions. Only for Vista.

So that leaves the question what MS considers to be a new machine? A mainboard upgrade? A processor upgrade? :confused:

Where the fuck does this leave me? I upgrade usually once a year, and in a good year, I format my hard drive 5 or 6 times.

You know, I'm seriously considering shelling out the grand or so for a site licence version.

So that leaves the question what MS considers to be a new machine? A mainboard upgrade? A processor upgrade? :confused:

Probably the same upgrades that require you to call and get a new number for XP currently. You can change one or two things, but more than that and it counts as a new machine.

Exactly what's wrong with Vavle's system? Sure you have to PAY for the game... and log in for online verification, but, how is that a bad thing?

Because they make you LOG ON to their system to play your game. That's utter crap. I don't need Big Brother watching me play Counter-Strike (not that I'd play that crap anyway, but if Steam catches on).

So, wait, lemme get this straight: I'm using Vista. Something with MICROSOFT'S stupid system fucks up, so I'm forced to format the HDD and reinstall Vista. Now, as Vista can't tell that it's the same HDD, it thinks that it's a new PC. So I can only do this once, then I have to buy a new Vista.

Is that right?

Because they make you LOG ON to their system to play your game. That's utter crap. I don't need Big Brother watching me play Counter-Strike (not that I'd play that crap anyway, but if Steam catches on).
It's just like any other MMORPG. Besides, you've paid for the game, what does it matter if you have to verify it? You have nothing to hide.

It's just like any other MMORPG. Besides, you've paid for the game, what does it matter if you have to verify it? You have nothing to hide.

Yeah, but they do that for OFFLINE games too.

Because they make you LOG ON to their system to play your game. That's utter crap. I don't need Big Brother watching me play Counter-Strike (not that I'd play that crap anyway, but if Steam catches on).

Also:
When you buy the DVD of a game (eg. Half-Life 2; what a waste of time and money that was :mad: ) the encryption not only slows down the loading in-game, but the verification means it takes 45 minutes to install the pigging thing in the first place.
You have to connect over the internet to play the single-player game (despite rumours of an "offline" mode which, I'm convinced, doesn't exist).
Because of that, you have to wait for patches you don't want to download and install before you're allowed to play by yourself.

I hate Steam. It's shit.

Windows Vista? It's quite pretty, and feels faster than XP. If 3D worked at all in Beta 2 then I'd probably use it instead of XPx64 (which I've actually bought). Eventually I'll install RC1 to see if it/ATI have fixed my problems.

Also:
When you buy the DVD of a game (eg. Half-Life 2; what a waste of time and money that was :mad: ) the encryption not only slows down the loading in-game, but the verification means it takes 45 minutes to install the pigging thing in the first place.
You have to connect over the internet to play the single-player game (despite rumours of an "offline" mode which, I'm convinced, doesn't exist).

It does.

Also:
When you buy the DVD of a game (eg. Half-Life 2; what a waste of time and money that was :mad: ) the encryption not only slows down the loading in-game, but the verification means it takes 45 minutes to install the pigging thing in the first place.
You have to connect over the internet to play the single-player game (despite rumours of an "offline" mode which, I'm convinced, doesn't exist).
Because of that, you have to wait for patches you don't want to download and install before you're allowed to play by yourself.

I hate Steam. It's shit.

Windows Vista? It's quite pretty, and feels faster than XP. If 3D worked at all in Beta 2 then I'd probably use it instead of XPx64 (which I've actually bought). Eventually I'll install RC1 to see if it/ATI have fixed my problems.

Makes you want to download a cracked version without all the crap eh?

Makes you want to download a cracked version without all the crap eh?

Indeed.

When Half Life 2 came out, I didn't have any Internet connection at home. So I had to pack my whole PC plus monitor, drove it to a friend, activated HL2 via modem (took 3 hours), switched the game into offline mode, packed everything again and drove home.

Yeah, but they do that for OFFLINE games too.
I'd take that form of copy protection over Starforce which fucking killed my computer. It did a shitload of damage to my computer. I'd rather log in to play a game, to prove I have a legit copy than to have to have some subtly hidden copy protection that takes a fuckton shit on my harddrive.

Starforce would freeze my computer, reboot it, it killed my DVD rom drive...

The constant freezing and rebooting of my computer killed the power supply, which I had to replace.

It does.
If I had Steam or HL2 installed I'd ask you where it was, but, on principle, I don't. And nothing short of Pirates of the Burning Sea is likely to tempt me to do so.

Makes you want to download a cracked version without all the crap eh?
I did. It was so much easier...

Why do pirates get the versions with all the crap cut out, whilst those of us stupid enough to buy the game get shafted?

So, wait, lemme get this straight: I'm using Vista. Something with MICROSOFT'S stupid system fucks up, so I'm forced to format the HDD and reinstall Vista. Now, as Vista can't tell that it's the same HDD, it thinks that it's a new PC. So I can only do this once, then I have to buy a new Vista.

Is that right?

i don't know, but it is interesting... the 4 month rule works very well for us in this business at the moment. it means we're quite happy paying for MS products (office, windows, etc) and we can't just go nuts installing one copy of the new software on all our machines. waiting 4 months is fair, and if we all really need software we'll buy a second copy.

but we're a small business (not-for-profit org), and we can't afford to buy a seperate copy of software for each computer. if VISTA (or other future MS products) stops us from doing what we do now then we'll just switch accross to other solutions entirely (openoffice, linux, etc), and MS will get precisely jack shit of our money.

I hate playing with other people. I really don't play nice. No MMORPGs for me.

I also like having plot, resolution and storyline, but I'm old fashioned. I read books too.

I hate playing with other people. I really don't play nice. No MMORPGs for me.

I also like having plot, resolution and storyline, but I'm old fashioned. I read books too.

MMOs are good for the social value, plus they're great for replayability. Honestly as good as a game like Baldur's Gate is, after you know what happens it's kinda dull.

MMOs are good for the social value, plus they're great for replayability. Honestly as good as a game like Baldur's Gate is, after you know what happens it's kinda dull.

That's why you play another game.

Just like when I finish reading a book or watching a movie, I don't read that same book or watch that same movie over again, I get a new one.

The only game that I've ever played that got by on gameplay alone was Tetris.