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the right for muslim muezzins to cry out the prayers in America, at any hour of the day? I know there are public nuisance(i think?) laws, where like past or before a certain time you can't have loud noises disturbing people. But, since its like a fundamental part of their faith, should they be allowed to do their prayers over the loudspeakers at like 6 am or 9 pm or something along those lines?

the right for muslim muezzins to cry out the prayers in America, at any hour of the day? I know there are public nuisance(i think?) laws, where like past or before a certain time you can't have loud noises disturbing people. But, since its like a fundamental part of their faith, should they be allowed to do their prayers over the loudspeakers at like 6 am or 9 pm or something along those lines?

They cannot be stopped from praying at those times.
There are noise ordinances that would stop them from disturbing the neighborhood with them.
No one is saying they cannot pray.

Generally speaking, your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. ;)

What they could do is have their own radio station and broadcast it over the radio. That way the muslium who want to hear the call can tune into the station, and those who aren't Muslium don't have to hear the call over the loudspeaker, everyone wins!

Depends on the noiselaws of the municipality, I suppose.

I dont think any loudspeakers permanent are allowed over public lands in the US except emergency sirens. If they must hear these prayers, they should go to a mosque or rent a radio frequency.

Violation of noise laws would override the 1st amendment in this case, especially for the dawn and nighttime prayers, that would be annoying.

ha, the government is well above religion.

I dont think any loudspeakers permanent are allowed over public lands in the US except emergency sirens. If they must hear these prayers, they should go to a mosque or rent a radio frequency.

That what I suggested.

What they could do is have their own radio station and broadcast it over the radio. That way the muslium who want to hear the call can tune into the station, and those who aren't Muslium don't have to hear the call over the loudspeaker, everyone wins!

great! then you can have your church bells put on a different radio station, because those things wake me up every sunday.


as far as I know, as long as these assorted kind of things comply with local sound ordinances, it isn't a problem. The mosque near me doesn't use external loudspeakers, so you can only hear it on property (it is right off a busy street). The 14 different churches around town ring their bells any time (no sound laws). They have rung them at midnight many times before

That what I suggested.

Actually I was first,:p But the servers dropped out right before I posted, so I copied it and pasted it when they came back a few mins later.

Actually I was first,:p But the servers dropped out right before I posted, so I copied it and pasted it when they came back a few mins later.

Ahh, well it seems like the servers been alittle weird today.

the right for muslim muezzins to cry out the prayers in America, at any hour of the day? I know there are public nuisance(i think?) laws, where like past or before a certain time you can't have loud noises disturbing people. But, since its like a fundamental part of their faith, should they be allowed to do their prayers over the loudspeakers at like 6 am or 9 pm or something along those lines?

It depends if the law is targeted or not. Also, you have the problem the Churchs constantly wake people up with thier bells, so it could be discrimination against Muslims. But i think it mostly depends if the law is targted or not.

Local noise ordinances do not impinge on freedom of speech. So one may still say whatever one wishes, the only thing that is regulated is the volume at which one says it. The prayers themselves are completely protected by the first amendment, even if noise ordinances are broken, as that is not a first amentment issue.

Local noise ordinances do not impinge on freedom of speech. So one may still say whatever one wishes, the only thing that is regulated is the volume at which one says it. The prayers themselves are completely protected by the first amendment, even if noise ordinances are broken, as that is not a first amentment issue.

Yea, but you would probably get alot of complaints from people when it comes on at 5 in the morning.

Yea, but you would probably get alot of complaints from people when it comes on at 5 in the morning.

If it was too loud (according to local law) then their complaints would be justified. If not, if they were only complaining because they didn't like what was being said, then the first amendment would protect the prayers.

loud speakers are bad. on a unrelated note I wish my roommate would get back in his room for fucks sake.

Friends of my mum live near a mosque. They hate it when they get woken up at 5 'o' clock in the morning by the call to service. Particularly as the couple are looking after the lady's elderly father, who is ailing. I think there does need to be some compromise or restriction on this particular tradition in highly populated areas in Western countries.

Also, they have a lot of problems with their street getting blocked off constantly by the huge amount of worshippers coming to pray at various times of day but that's another story.

Friends of my mum live near a mosque. They hate it when they get woken up at 5 'o' clock in the morning by the call to service. Particularly as the couple are looking after the lady's elderly father, who is ailing. I think there does need to be some compromise or restriction on this particular tradition in highly populated areas in Western countries.

Also, they have a lot of problems with their street getting blocked off constantly by the huge amount of worshippers coming to pray at various times of day but that's another story.
Sounds like they should build more Mosques. Personnaly it dosen't strike me as all that differen't than a Church ringing its bells late at night, but than I've lived right down the block from a fire station my whole life so lound noises at night don't particularly bother me.

Sounds like they should build more Mosques. Personnaly it dosen't strike me as all that differen't than a Church ringing its bells late at night, but than I've lived right down the block from a fire station my whole life so lound noises at night don't particularly bother me.

They have plenty of parking, it just isn't near enough to the mosque for them (they actually have to walk a few feet). And it's not any different, it's just none of the churches they or I live near actually do ring their bells late at night or early in the morning, so it's never been an issue. If the church down the road from my house decides to start, believe me they'll hear about it.

rticular tradition in highly populated areas in Western countries.

Also, they have a lot of problems with their street getting blocked off constantly by the huge amount of worshippers coming to pray at various times of day but that's another story.

Well, it could be that due to their methods of prayer(When it's time to pray, you stop what you're doing right then and there pretty much and pray), that they don't have time to get into the Mosque.

At least, that's as far as I understand how it goes. :/

great! then you can have your church bells put on a different radio station, because those things wake me up every sunday.


as far as I know, as long as these assorted kind of things comply with local sound ordinances, it isn't a problem. The mosque near me doesn't use external loudspeakers, so you can only hear it on property (it is right off a busy street). The 14 different churches around town ring their bells any time (no sound laws). They have rung them at midnight many times before

Thats a point I never thought of before.

Well, it could be that due to their methods of prayer(When it's time to pray, you stop what you're doing right then and there pretty much and pray), that they don't have time to get into the Mosque.

At least, that's as far as I understand how it goes. :/

Well, if that is the case, I'm sure that a solution can be found that doesn't leave half the street trapped for a lengthy period of time.

And I don't understand why they have time to drive to the mosque, but not to park properly in the carpark built for the purpose.

the right for muslim muezzins to cry out the prayers in America, at any hour of the day? I know there are public nuisance(i think?) laws, where like past or before a certain time you can't have loud noises disturbing people. But, since its like a fundamental part of their faith, should they be allowed to do their prayers over the loudspeakers at like 6 am or 9 pm or something along those lines?

If the Catholic church a block from my house can ring their damn bells at seemingly any time they feel like it, then there is no reason why Muslims should not be given an equal opportunity to be a royal pain in the ass.

They have plenty of parking, it just isn't near enough to the mosque for them (they actually have to walk a few feet). And it's not any different, it's just none of the churches they or I live near actually do ring their bells late at night or early in the morning, so it's never been an issue. If the church down the road from my house decides to start, believe me they'll hear about it.


Around here, it's not just the churches with the noise -- about two years ago, when I was living in the dorms, my college thought a clocktower not ten yards from my WINDOW would be a lovely idea... Westminster chimes...day in and day out, and ALL NIGHT..mind you, this is every 15 minutes. I'm used to it because of our grandfather clock at home, but my god, the clock was SIGNIFICANTLY quieter, and I knew how to shut the thing up!

What's sad is we DO have noise laws, yet the clocktower is apparently exempt..

If the Catholic church a block from my house can ring their damn bells at seemingly any time they feel like it, then there is no reason why Muslims should not be given an equal opportunity to be a royal pain in the ass.

I doubt they ring them while people are sleeping.

Muslims have a 5am(If I remember right) prayer call.

I doubt they ring them while people are sleeping.


I sleep in.

So really, they shouldn't bloody my nose because their right to swing their evil sonic fist ends there!

I doubt they ring them while people are sleeping.

Muslims have a 5am(If I remember right) prayer call.

The church near my house has rung them as early as 5am, and as late as midnight.

Also, I work third shift, so yeah...they ring them while people are sleeping. :mad:

Seriously...trains, planes, emergency vehicles, churches, noisy neighbors, and barking dogs, and THIS is getting people worked up?

The biggest non-issue ever...shut the fuck up and go back to bed.

I sleep in.

So really, they shouldn't bloody my nose because their right to swing their evil sonic fist ends there!

Well?

You try to cover the majority.

If everybody was to receive no noise, then my sister alone will cover it 1300......

I doubt they ring them while people are sleeping.

Muslims have a 5am(If I remember right) prayer call.

9 AM is early on a sunday for those of us who don't go to church. As is midnight, 1 AM, and even as late as 2 AM...you get the idea. Mind you, some bells are nothing compared to the railroad construction, fire department, or train station behind my house, but a 5am prayer call isn't exactly horrible, either.