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Chinese soldiers shooting Tibetans - as seen by European climbers.

Depressing shit. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hXC5RxhZUYw)

Imagine just walking on like that. Stoic.

P.s: There's no gore, or anything. No kicks for those kinds of folk. Obviously it is harsh, though.

Fucking Chinese.

Good for the Europeans who helped that guy who was hiding in the toilet!:)

Ugh, who the fuck do those Chinese think they are, shooting as pilgrims.

Fucking communists with their state sponsored atheism.:mad: :mad:

Fucking communists with their state sponsored atheism.:mad: :mad:

....

No, I just won't say anything this time.

Apologies if this is old.

Chinese soldiers shooting Tibetans - as seen by European climbers.

Depressing shit. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hXC5RxhZUYw)

Imagine just walking on like that. Stoic.

P.s: There's no gore, or anything. No kicks for those kinds of folk. Obviously it is harsh, though.
Well, when you up at 5000+ metres, there's not a lot else you could do.
It also speaks volumes about how harsh life is in Tibet under the Chinese that they're willing to continue being shot at in order to escape.

Incidently, the official PLA report was that the soldier was attacked and fired in self-defence.
This (ie soldiers shooting in 'self-defence') happens very very regularly in China, btw.

Scary reading thru the comments - espesh the Mainland Chinese ones. Not one of them condemned the actions - in their mind the soldier was quite right to shoot them. And then in the next sentence they talk about how much better life for Tibetans are under Chinese rule.
Oh, and they never invaded Tibet either.
Intreresting insight into the propaganda that is called The Chinese Education system.

...And yet, we're "friends" with this country. Interesting.

...And yet, we're "friends" with this country. Interesting.

Eh it's really more of a trade relations. They give us $$ and we look the other way, because hey, they help support our economy.

Eh it's really more of a trade relations. They give us $$ and we look the other way, because hey, they help support our economy.

Exactly. But, if every Western nation pulled out of trading with China, they'd probably fall apart. I'm talking investors, corporations... Everything.

But nah, they give us a lot of moolah, so screw it. Let them suppress their citizens, not to mention supply North Korea with weapons and aid!

...And yet, we're "friends" with this country. Interesting.

Didn't you get the memo?

If they take on democratic values, then they will stop doing that!

Exactly. But, if every Western nation pulled out of trading with China, they'd probably fall apart. I'm talking investors, corporations... Everything.

But nah, they give us a lot of moolah, so screw it. Let them suppress their citizens, not to mention supply North Korea with weapons and aid!

If the chinese economy took a dump not only would 1.3 billion chinese suffer, but the economies of every country in the world would take a serious hit and the quality of life would go down every where.

...And yet, we're "friends" with this country. Interesting.

ROFL, some people need to check up their facts in the past years, LOL.

China has hated the U.S (and has never teamed with the U.S until now) since the Korean War.

Exactly. But, if every Western nation pulled out of trading with China, they'd probably fall apart. I'm talking investors, corporations... Everything.

But nah, they give us a lot of moolah, so screw it. Let them suppress their citizens, not to mention supply North Korea with weapons and aid!

Once again, you need to check your facts instead of posting what you hear from someone older than you.


If every western nation pulled out from trading with China, 1 horrible thing would happen: another Depression. And if we had another Depression, it really wouldn't matter what any of us think, for 3/4 of us would be dead!

Also, they teamed WITH Japan and the U.S (VERY rare) to STOP North Korea from obtaining weapons.

And to add to that, every nation in the UN (that includes China) has accepted sanctions against North Korea (AKA, not to supply them with weapons).

Kind of a direct contradiction to your statement, no?

Exactly. But, if every Western nation pulled out of trading with China, they'd probably fall apart. !
And that's why they don't pull out of trading with China.

Scary reading thru the comments
It seems that it started with people from the west blaming it on chinese people and saying that if they don't support it, they should protest. As they can't protest, they just try to justify that.

Fucking communists with their state sponsored atheism.:mad: :mad:

Unlike say, capitalists and their state sponsored rape squads...death squads...torture centres.....BUT ITS OK - THEY LOVE GEEZUS!!!!!!

Eh it's really more of a trade relations. They give us $$ and we look the other way, because hey, they help support our economy.

So you saying we are whores?

So you saying we are whores?

Tian. Square = Boo hiss. Next year they had "most favoured trading nation" restored.

The whole world is a whore. Its just a question of who they are whoring what to and what for.

Once again, you need to check your facts instead of posting what you hear from someone older than you.


If every western nation pulled out from trading with China, 1 horrible thing would happen: another Depression. And if we had another Depression, it really wouldn't matter what any of us think, for 3/4 of us would be dead!

Also, they teamed WITH Japan and the U.S (VERY rare) to STOP North Korea from obtaining weapons.

And to add to that, every nation in the UN (that includes China) has accepted sanctions against North Korea (AKA, not to supply them with weapons).

Kind of a direct contradiction to your statement, no?


1: I know another depression would happen, which is why we shouldn't've started all of this investment in their country to begin with. And how the fuck do three out of four people die in a depression, exactly? I don't remember over 300,000,000 people dying in the depression of the 1930's...

2: Yeah, because they knew they'd lose a lot of they went with North Korea on that issue. The Chinese government isn't stupid.

3: See above.

Fucking communists with their state sponsored atheism.:mad: :mad:

Yes, because we all know religion is so enlightened, and that commie fag pinko liberal negro abortionist atheists all want to kill people. Yeah.

Unlike say, capitalists and their state sponsored rape squads...death squads...torture centres.....BUT ITS OK - THEY LOVE GEEZUS!!!!!!

LOL @ Geezus :D

It's so true, people in the U.S (sad to say) usually think that anyone not like them can be like them. And so therefore, they think that they choose not to be like them and then they start accusing them of things they heard from politicians.

Just something to throw out there: Did you know that George W. Bush thought that Jean Cretian's name was really "Jean Poutine"? Some Canadian comedian said:

Mr. President, Jean Poutine, Prime Minister of Canada, sends his congratulations on you winning the presidential nomination

ROFL, some people need to check up their facts in the past years, LOL.

China has hated the U.S (and has never teamed with the U.S until now) since the Korean War.

You obviously didn't understand what "friends" meant. I guess I should've said we're China's whore, but that's a bit too blunt for my taste.

Unlike say, capitalists and their state sponsored rape squads...death squads...torture centres.....BUT ITS OK - THEY LOVE GEEZUS!!!!!!

Yes, because we all know religion is so enlightened, and that commie fag pinko liberal negro abortionist atheists all want to kill people. Yeah.

wow, calm down. This reminds me of the Mohammed cartoons.

You obviously didn't understand what "friends" meant. I guess I should've said we're China's whore, but that's a bit too blunt for my taste.

Friends with privileges.

1: I know another depression would happen, which is why we shouldn't've started all of this investment in their country to begin with.

Enlighten us, tell us how this depression would happen. Also, please tell us how NOT getting into trade with China would have actually HELPED our economy?

And how the f*** do three out of four people die in a depression, exactly? I don't remember over 300,000,000 people dying in the depression of the 1930's...

Who the hell said 3/4 of the whole population? What are the odds that you, me, or anybody else on this message board would survive another Depression?

2: Yeah, because they knew they'd lose a lot of they went with North Korea on that issue. The Chinese government isn't stupid.

3: See above.

What would they lose if they went with North Korea on that issue? The future of China?

Well, the ulterior motives doesn't matter, because what you said was that "China supplies North Korea with weapons and aid".

Hmmm.... Is that why North Korea is a failing country? Because China supports them?

Well, as we can see, China helps us economically, and if China also helped NK economically AND militarily, wouldn't they be equal in status to China, instead of far below it?

You obviously didn't understand what "friends" meant. I guess I should've said we're China's whore, but that's a bit too blunt for my taste.

If we were China's "whore" (as you state), then China would benefit from America trading with them, but America wouldn't benefit from that.

But wait, did we not just talk about how China would fall apart without America's economical help? The same true for America?

Hmm....

Enlighten us, tell us how this depression would happen. Also, please tell us how NOT getting into trade with China would have actually HELPED our economy?



Who the hell said 3/4 of the whole population? What are the odds that you, me, or anybody else on this message board would survive another Depression?



What would they lose if they went with North Korea on that issue? The future of China?

Well, the ulterior motives doesn't matter, because what you said was that "China supplies North Korea with weapons and aid".

Hmmm.... Is that why North Korea is a failing country? Because China supports them?

Well, as we can see, China helps us economically, and if China also helped NK economically AND militarily, wouldn't they be equal in status to China, instead of far below it?


1: I never said anything about helping or not helping the economy. It was all about human rights, and cutting off relations with nations that murder people en masse, like China.

2: You said 3/4 of us, so what the hell am I supposed to think? Either way, it's a ridiculous statement. Most people survived the depression, though their lives were quite hard during the time. It's not as if they lost the will to live and just flat-out died without trying to pull things together.

3: The retaliation could've been immense if the Chinese government went with North Korea's nuclear plan.

4: They do supply North Korea with weapons, food, and products. They supply them with aircraft (mostly MiGs), infantry weapons, food, and basic appliances. If they didn't, then why did China threaten to cut these supplies to North Korea after they tested their nuclear missile?

5: North Korea is a failing country because Kim Jong-Il's regime squanders everything.

6: If your country is controlled by one man and one man alone, your country is only as good as that man. And Kim Jong-Il takes almost everything China (as well as America) gives him and squanders it. His military holds top priority, with supplies going to soldiers above civilians... Which is why so many North Koreans aren't exactly healthy.

If we were China's "whore" (as you state), then China would benefit from America trading with them, but America wouldn't benefit from that.

But wait, did we not just talk about how China would fall apart without America's economical help? The same true for America?

Hmm....

So you are suggesting we are more about hypocrisy then being a whore?

If we were China's "whore" (as you state), then China would benefit from America trading with them, but America wouldn't benefit from that.

But wait, did we not just talk about how China would fall apart without America's economical help? The same true for America?

Hmm....

You can't be a diplomatic whore and still benefit from said diplomacy? Look, the fact is, we're trading with China because we get a lot of money out of it. They make a lot of the products we use, and we turn a blind eye to their unbelievable human rights abuses because of this.

Let them suppress their citizens

But those are Tibetans they're shooting.

Once again, you need to check your facts instead of posting what you hear from someone older than you.


If every western nation pulled out from trading with China, 1 horrible thing would happen: another Depression. And if we had another Depression, it really wouldn't matter what any of us think, for 3/4 of us would be dead!

Where do you get this 3/4th figure? I seem to remember it also in the Segway thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11842361&postcount=22

Except there, 3/4 of the population was going to die of obesity.

Who the hell said 3/4 of the whole population? What are the odds that you, me, or anybody else on this message board would survive another Depression?

I dunno... my father, his three brothers and sister, my mom and her brother, my grandparents and great aunts and uncles all survived the Great Depression...

Where do you get this 3/4th figure? I seem to remember it also in the Segway thread...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11842361&postcount=22

Except there, 3/4 of the population was going to die of obesity.

lol, 3/4 on that Segway thread was a joke. But this one I'm serious about.

I don't mean 3/4 of the population (as a whole), but 3 out of 4 people (in most cases).

They make a lot of the products we use, and we turn a blind eye to their unbelievable human rights abuses because of this.

I don't think America has turned a blind eye to it. I'll try to look for direct links, but I think I heard Bush condemning China for all sorts of things throughout different speeches.

...And yet, we're "friends" with this country. Interesting.

Interesting indeed. The Chinese are fucked up.

The Chinese, Americans, Europeans, Australians, and all other countries are fucked up.

Fixed.

Fixed.

Well, that is true. But I was referring to the Chinese in this context. :rolleyes:

I dunno... my father, his three brothers and sister, my mom and her brother, my grandparents and great aunts and uncles all survived the Great Depression...

Not that it has anything much to do with your relatives, but - I can remember talking with an older gentleman, a well-off fellow... this was during the last big recession, and I was young and out of work and trying like Hell to find a situation - and this windbag kept hectoring me, alluding to the bad ol' days of the Depression, and how much worse he'd had it - and how I should be more like him.

I thought about it for a moment and asked him his age. I worked it out pretty quickly in my head, and realized that this guy had been no more than a toddler throughout the big D. I then turned the tables and told him bluntly that much as he fancied himself a tough-as-nails success story who overcame adversity, that he himself had never experienced that economic disaster as an adult - that frankly, I had more in common with his parents than I ever would with him.

I knew enough to know that when this guy came out of college or university, large corporations were practically fighting over graduates - and he admitted to having worked the corporate pyramid his entire cushy life. In one night, all my illusions - all the stories I'd ever heard from crusty old salts about 'how hard they'd had it' - were either shattered, or cast under the microscope - and a large chunk of those tales were found wanting.

Nowadays, I don't pay much mind to the recollections of those who would have been under twelve at the time.

Well, that is true. But I was referring to the Chinese in this context. :rolleyes:

lol, I know. Just adding my two cents there (off topic, yes).

Nowadays, I don't pay much mind to the recollections of those who would have been under twelve at the time.

But remember that they had it hard, too. Even though they didn't have it as hard as their parents.

Because their parents had it hard, he had to suffer, also. Because his parents were poor, he had no food, probably no home, no too much water, and not too much clothing.

lol, I know. Just adding my two cents there (off topic, yes).

Oh tis a krazy world my friend! KRAZY!!!! :eek:

lol, 3/4 on that Segway thread was a joke. But this one I'm serious about.

I don't mean 3/4 of the population (as a whole), but 3 out of 4 people (in most cases).


How is 3/4 of the population and 3 out of 4 people different figures?
The population is made up of people.

It works out to 75% both ways, unless there's something I am missing.

damn you china.

damn you china.

damn it to cookie bits!

How is 3/4 of the population and 3 out of 4 people different figures?
The population is made up of people.

It works out to 75% both ways, unless there's something I am missing.
Have you ever seen Anchorman?

67% of the time... it works everytime

Ya know what? Maybe I should just back away from this topic slooooooooooooowly. very slowly.

But remember that they had it hard, too. Even though they didn't have it as hard as their parents.

Because their parents had it hard, he had to suffer, also. Because his parents were poor, he had no food, probably no home, no too much water, and not too much clothing.

This is what I meant earlier. My family members were not homeless (my parents are in their 70s, my great aunts and uncles are in their 90s). They had water. They had food. Not GREAT food all the time (think chipped beef and toast, creamed corn occasionally, but still fresh meats and veggies some of the time) and clothing (though occasionally they had to hand down from an older kid to a younger, or wait to buy shoes until they wore out.)

You would seem to be WAY overstating the effects of the Great Depression.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11847784&postcount=42
...ok... if you must... but all we were looking for was a source?

You would seem to be WAY overstating the effects of the Great Depression.

This is why I refrained from responding. My own parents were children during the Depression as well, and their lives sound very much like what you reported in your own family's history.

In one night, all my illusions - all the stories I'd ever heard from crusty old salts about 'how hard they'd had it' - were either shattered, or cast under the microscope - and a large chunk of those tales were found wanting.

You mean to say they never had to walk 12 miles uphill each day to school thru 6 foot snow drift and howling sleet, even in summer?

None of them lived in shoe box in middle of road?

Meh, I haven't studied the Great Depression seperatly. This time, I'm using what I've heard from teachers (those who lived through it and those who didn't) to back up my opinions.

Both my grandmothers been through the Great Depression. But I can't find out anythign from them because one has Alzheimer's and the other I've never met.

So I guess I'll have to rely on the internet...

You mean to say they never had to walk 12 miles uphill each day to school thru 6 foot snow drift and howling sleet, even in summer?

None of them lived in shoe box in middle of road?

Shoe box?

Luxury!

There were 14 of us living in a septic tank...

Shoe box?

Luxury!

There were 14 of us living in a septic tank...

And all of them barefoot.

Meh, I haven't studied the Great Depression seperatly. This time, I'm using what I've heard from teachers (those who lived through it and those who didn't) to back up my opinions.

Both my grandmothers been through the Great Depression. But I can't find out anythign from them because one has Alzheimer's and the other I've never met.

So I guess I'll have to rely on the internet...

I'll refer you to some earlier, good advice...

you need to check your facts instead of posting what you hear from someone older than you.

Katganistan: low blow right there, low blow.

Scary reading thru the comments - espesh the Mainland Chinese ones. Not one of them condemned the actions - in their mind the soldier was quite right to shoot them. And then in the next sentence they talk about how much better life for Tibetans are under Chinese rule.
Oh, and they never invaded Tibet either.
Intreresting insight into the propaganda that is called The Chinese Education system.

Well, that and I'm sure they wouldn't like to be shot themselves.

Well, that and I'm sure they wouldn't like to be shot themselves.
well, there is that.
Apparently there's something like 100 000 people employed by the Chinese govt to monitor internet activity and report any anti-Chinese postings.

But if you've ever been there (or ever get over there), you'll soon realise that they're not saying these things out of fear, but out of actual genuine belief that their system is the best for their country. The government control over the media and the education is immense.

Exactly. But, if every Western nation pulled out of trading with China, they'd probably fall apart. I'm talking investors, corporations... Everything.


Does one realize what happens when one politically and economically isolates the most populous state (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html), with the second largest military expenditures (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2067rank.html), the fourth largest economy (by GDP) (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html), with the fifth most exports to foreign countries (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2078rank.html)?

First, one destroys the world economy (not just China), and one pisses off a whole hell of a lot of people (worse than they already are) who constitute the second most significant military power on the planet.

It has nothing to do with "friends" or "whores" or "evil corporations" or "evil globalization" or anything else like that. It's about the simple fact that the World War III option is worse by far.

For further reference, see also Japan's entry into World War II, largely fueled by American embargos/bans on trade, including oil. Carefully note the reaction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor), and resulting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) concequences (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment).

Are horrible things happening in China and Tibet? Yes. But let's carefuly consider the situation before making things far -- far -- worse than they already are. Would the United States win? Maybe. Do I wanna find out for sure? Not really.

Katganistan: low blow right there, low blow.

Honestly, I didn't mean it that way... but if you insist on taking it that way, not much I can do.

Nah, it's ok. I was just kidding. I knew it wasn't meant as an insult.

I was exposed to my own hypocrisy, though. So good post.

Didn't you get the memo?

If they take on democratic values, then they will stop doing that!

And of course, free trade will lead to democracy ... hooray! :)

does anyone realize that China kinda owns our debt?

I mean if we break relations with them, the US economy tanks.

China has been buying US debt, if the US breaks ties with China, China calls in for us to pay off all of our debt.

If the US doesn't pay, China brings it to the WTO. WTO can enact binding sanctions against the US that all member states have to follow if they want to continue to trade with each other.

Keep in the mind that the US can't do anything if they WTO gets involved like this because the WTO has ruled against the US before and if the US defaults on loans, the WTO will rule against the US again. Once that happens, the US will either have to print huge sums of money to pay off the debt, which tanks US currency, or, nations stop trading with the US, which tanks the US economy.

Either way, depression. Either way, the US is screwed.

That is why we can't piss off china.