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Would you vote for him if he runs? Would you vote for him if he were running against Hillary in the primary?

Lynn Swann is a better man!
*kills self*

The Republicans would have to run McCain against Obama, and they would never do that.

Obama any day of the week. Now all I need to do is become 18...

Too early, but will keep a close eye on all of them for sure. ;)

The Republicans would have to run McCain against Obama, and they would never do that.

They might run Juiliani against Obama.

TBPH, I know very little about the man, so I can't say.

It would be a great thing if he ran, but I don't think he will in '08. but, watch out in 2012, we WILL have the first black president.

Obama all the way.

There are only two Democrats I respect right now: Bill Winter, and Barack Obama. So...I'd vote for Obama, if he ran. 'Course, I can't vote in the primaries, seeing as how I'm unaffiliated.

If I were an American, I'd go with Obama.

Those on the socially conservative side must be feeling rather insecure.

If the democrats win 2008, it won't be a White Male in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.

Put that in perspective with the House and Senate wash-out in a couple of days.

They got a white woman and a black male, both under 60. Can you imagine how much the Conservatives are loving it [/sarcasm]

I hate to say it, but theres no way either a woman, or a black man, will be elected to the office of President, in the nect 20 years.

Not while the Christian right have such a strong political presence.

I hate to say it, but theres no way either a woman, or a black man, will be elected to the office of President, in the nect 20 years.

Not while the Christian right have such a strong political presence.
I tend to agree with you. Tis sad.

I want Obama to have at least two FULL Senate terms under his belt before he considers running for President. He's still a first-term Senator, and he's got a LOT to learn about the nuts and bolts of D.C. before I'd even consider him as a capable President.

Obama 2016!

I want Obama to have at least two FULL Senate terms under his belt before he considers running for President. He's still a first-term Senator, and he's got a LOT to learn about the nuts and bolts of D.C. before I'd even consider him as a capable President.

Obama 2016!

This is true, Obama is still a newb, and for him to take on the White House as a Newb would be his greatest mistake.

I want Obama to have at least two FULL Senate terms under his belt before he considers running for President. He's still a first-term Senator, and he's got a LOT to learn about the nuts and bolts of D.C. before I'd even consider him as a capable President.

Obama 2016!

i would agree that obama needs more experience before he can be a good candidate for president

but presidential candidates have a short shelf life.

he has to make a calculation

first of all, who is the republican candidate likely to be?

if its a strong candidate, he passes. no sense running and losing. he also has to judge how the current elections go to see just how fed up the public is of republican policies. if bush keeps leading us to disaster, there may be nothing that any republican can do to win.

but

if he passes and democrat wins, he is screwed.

in '12, the democratic president is party nominee unless there is a tragedy. in '16 the nomination goes to the vice president. (its true. nixon '60, lyndon johnson-tragedy, hubert humphrey '68, spiro agnew-disgraced, gerald ford-tragedy, nelson rockefeller-not, mondale '84, bush 88, gore 00). it doesnt even matter that the president in '12 might not be re-elected.

in '20, his shelf life is past. he's marked as a loser and will never be elected no matter how good he is. \

if he passes and a democrat wins, the next 14 years of his political life has to include an effort NOT to be seen as a guy running for president. it probably cant be done.

anyway im voting for bill richardson. he's just what we need now. lots of experience, knows how to deal with the bad boys of the world, has a postive outlook.

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Would you vote for him if he runs? Would you vote for him if he were running against Hillary in the primary?
:D Shit man, I'm just trying to make it another two weeks for this elecion. I don't even want to think about 2008 yet.

There are only two Democrats I respect right now: Bill Winter, and Barack Obama. So...I'd vote for Obama, if he ran. 'Course, I can't vote in the primaries, seeing as how I'm unaffiliated.

It's okay to register with one party or the other if you want to votein the primary. If you feel strongly enough about the choice. A friend of mine registered *shudder* Republican so she could vote against a candidate in the primary. You can always go back to being unaffiliated.

I want Obama to have at least two FULL Senate terms under his belt before he considers running for President. He's still a first-term Senator, and he's got a LOT to learn about the nuts and bolts of D.C. before I'd even consider him as a capable President.

Obama 2016!
The longer you stay in the Senate, the worse a candidate you become. He'd be better off running for Governor of Illinois in 4 years if experience is what you want in a Presidential candidate.

The longer you stay in the Senate, the worse a candidate you become. He'd be better off running for Governor of Illinois in 4 years if experience is what you want in a Presidential candidate.

Yeah, Senators suck as presidential candidates. The last Senator elected was John Kennedy, 46 years ago. Governors are the way to go, and in this day and age, a southern or western governor is probably best. Obama does have that little cachet of being black, so Governor of Illinois could very well be the way to go.

Yeah, Senators suck as presidential candidates. The last Senator elected was John Kennedy, 46 years ago. Governors are the way to go, and in this day and age, a southern or western governor is probably best. Obama does have that little cachet of being black, so Governor of Illinois could very well be the way to go.

I think it's because the Senate requires nuance and debate and you often make votes that are used against you later, often unfairly. Kerry's vote on the $87 billion Iraq money is a perfect example of that, and I seem to recall Clinton doing something similar to Dole back in 1996. So because of that, the Senate isn't the best place from which to launch a presidential bid--unless you're new, which is why I think John Edwards ran when he did.

I look at Obama right now as John Edwards with a better backstory--a little light on experience, but handsome, charismatic, a hell of a speaker, and with the right legend behind him to make a run. He might come up short, but I think he has to run in '08 because that'll be his best chance.

It's probably a bit early for Obama, which is sad, because I'd *love* to see an Obama vs. McCain race. There'd be two candidates which would be competing for who was the best, rather than who was the worst.

But, based on what I know of Obama, I'd definitely vote for him over Clinton if I voted in the Democratic primaries. Unfortunately, where I live, voting in the Dem. primaries means that I don't vote at all for any of my local government positions. =(

Unfortunately, where I live, voting in the Dem. primaries means that I don't vote at all for any of my local government positions. =(Oh, I'm sorry.:( Because you're black?


Anyway, does anyone reaslise how funny it will be if we have President Obama hunting down Osama.:D

Oh, I'm sorry.:( Because you're black?

Huh?

Voting in the Democratic primaries in my state means that I don't vote in the Republican primaries. In my city/county/district, politics are dominated by Republicans to the point that Democratic candidates generally don't even run. This means that, come November, the *only* person on the ballot for these offices is the Republican nominee. If I don't vote in the Republican primary, then I just get whoever they nominate, with no one else to vote for.

Anyway, does anyone reaslise how funny it will be if we have President Obama hunting down Osama.:D
almost certainly the republican noise machine will take advantage of that...

Huh?

Voting in the Democratic primaries in my state means that I don't vote in the Republican primaries. In my city/county/district, politics are dominated by Republicans to the point that Democratic candidates generally don't even run. This means that, come November, the *only* person on the ballot for these offices is the Republican nominee. If I don't vote in the Republican primary, then I just get whoever they nominate, with no one else to vote for.

The same reason I changed MY registration to Democrat so that I could work with the Casey campaign and everything in my city is controlled by the Democrats. When it comes time to vote for a National Primary depending on the candidate you just change your registration again.

No Big deal and someone always owes you a favor for changing .:D

The same reason I changed MY registration to Democrat so that I could work with the Casey campaign and everything in my city is controlled by the Democrats. When it comes time to vote for a National Primary depending on the candidate you just change your registration again.

No Big deal and someone always owes you a favor for changing .:D

(a) I don't register anything. Don't have to in my state. I can change the primary I vote in every year if I so choose.

(b) There is no national and local primary. They are all one and the same in my state. It is impossible for me to vote in a Republican primary for my DA/sherrif/etc. and then a Democrat primary for my senators/rep/president/etc.

This means that I have two options: 1) Vote in the Democrat primary on national candidates and then have nothing whatsoever to say about my local politics or 2) Vote in the Republican primary, have some chance at making a difference in local government, but have no say in who the Democrats run for a given federal office.

Obama FTW!

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Would you vote for him if he runs? Would you vote for him if he were running against Hillary in the primary?

Since I'm registered Independent, I won't be able to vote for anyone in the primary elections. If the Democrats select him as their candidate, the Republicans will win again. Same if they select Hillary. If they had any sense at all, they would run Lieberman, but they would rather be ideological than win. Sigh.

Since I'm registered Independent, I won't be able to vote for anyone in the primary elections. If the Democrats select him as their candidate, the Republicans will win again. Same if they select Hillary. If they had any sense at all, they would run Lieberman, but they would rather be ideological than win. Sigh.
Lieberman? Mister "fifth place is a virtual tie for third" in New Hampshire? Mister Joe-Mentum? You're really funny sometimes, Eut. :D

Lieberman? Mister "fifth place is a virtual tie for third" in New Hampshire? Mister Joe-Mentum? You're really funny sometimes, Eut. :D

thats what I thinking. Lieberman is a joke and degrace to democrats.

Since I'm registered Independent, I won't be able to vote for anyone in the primary elections.

And this is my problem with the party system. This isn't true in my state, as you don't have to register as any particular party affiliation - you just walk in and determine which primary (Repub/Dem/just non-partisan offices) you wish to vote in. The problem, however, is that the whole system can basically disenfranchize voters. If my local politics are dominated by Republicans, but I wish to vote in the Democrat primary for whatever reason, this means that I get absolutely no vote in my local politics, which will be entirely determined in the primaries. This also works in reverse.

In your case, if only a Republican or a Democrat ends up running for an office, you are just going to get whoever the primary voters decided on, with no one else on the ballot.

Since I'm registered Independent, I won't be able to vote for anyone in the primary elections. If the Democrats select him as their candidate, the Republicans will win again. Same if they select Hillary. If they had any sense at all, they would run Lieberman, but they would rather be ideological than win. Sigh.


Eut why stay registered independent ? I did it for a while but you cant vote in Primarys and you cant " work" on a campaign ...unless its for an independent or unofficial .

I change registrations depending on who is running..or if its a national primary election and One side has a better guy than all the rest.

Right now I'm a registered Democrat so I can work for Casey but I can split ticket or vote anyway I please ...then Change back to Reublican..if I need to .

thats what I thinking. Lieberman is a joke and degrace to democrats.

Why? Because he doesn't agree with every element of your ideology? Tsk! Kick out the jams, mo-fo! LMAO!

Eut why stay registered independent ? I did it for a while but you cant vote in Primarys and you cant " work" on a campaign ...unless its for an independent or unofficial .

I change registrations depending on who is running..or if its a national primary election and One side has a better guy than all the rest.

Right now I'm a registered Democrat so I can work for Casey but I can split ticket or vote anyway I please ...then Change back to Reublican..if I need to .

Good argument! I might have to rethink my registration this time around. Thanks! :)

I hate to say it, but theres no way either a woman, or a black man, will be elected to the office of President, in the nect 20 years.

Not while the Christian right have such a strong political presence.

Unfortunatly, this is true.

But I would vote for Obama if he were to ever get the democratic nomination. I'm under 18, but Obama seems like a good man. I don't know his policies (he's not much of an influence in Massachusetts since he doesn't hold office here), but I know that Hilary Clinton is all about attacking others and has no strategy.

Why? Because he doesn't agree with every element of your ideology? Tsk! Kick out the jams, mo-fo! LMAO!

It seems to work for the Republicans.

I want Obama to have at least two FULL Senate terms under his belt before he considers running for President. He's still a first-term Senator, and he's got a LOT to learn about the nuts and bolts of D.C. before I'd even consider him as a capable President.

Because every single president has been a Congressmen or other Washington insider prior to being elected president.
Wait...


Why? Because he doesn't agree with every element of your ideology? Tsk! Kick out the jams, mo-fo! LMAO!
More like because he agress with every element of your ideology.

Why? Because he doesn't agree with every element of your ideology? Tsk! Kick out the jams, mo-fo! LMAO!

Actually, I can see why you like Lieberman. Neither of you are Democrats, and you both like to think and act like you're independent when you aren't.

More like because he agress with every element of your ideology.

Gee! You been drinkin' "smart juice" or sumfin? :D

Actually, I can see why you like Lieberman. Neither of you are Democrats, and you both like to think and act like you're independent when you aren't.

Whatever, dude. :rolleyes:

sumfin? ; Kick out the jams, mo-fo!
whoa Eut, seems like you picked up some lingo while MIA. what happened? Or is my memory just really foggy?

I don't know if i'd vote for him. I mean everyone loves him. But why? Because of that 04 speech he gave. Thats why. I don't know anything he has done for my state lately, plus he hasn't responded to 4 of my emails. Bastard.

Because every single president has been a Congressmen or other Washington insider prior to being elected president.
Wait...


I thought Carter was an outsider?:confused:

I thought Carter was an outsider?:confused:

He was being sarcastic.

He was being sarcastic.

oh gotcha :)

Obama is nuttier than a fruitcake! If the choice is Clinton or Al-Obama, I'll write in Homer Simpson! :headbang:

Since I'm registered Independent, I won't be able to vote for anyone in the primary elections. If the Democrats select him as their candidate, the Republicans will win again. Same if they select Hillary. If they had any sense at all, they would run Lieberman, but they would rather be ideological than win. Sigh.
I'd never vote for Lieberman. No, I take that back. I suppose the Republican nominee could be even worse. I used to be registered independent, but I think I changed that to Democrat. I'll have to look at my voter's registation card to be sure. Not sure if I actually got around to it.

Obama is nuttier than a fruitcake!

How so?

An Obama running as a Democrat will make the republicans win again even if the invade mars.

think about that for a second...

First add up all the southern democrats and western Democrats that wont VOTE for a Black man or a young liberal or a YOUNG liberal black man with little experience.

Add every Republican in the country plus almost every independent voter..and remember Bush got 52 % 0f the Vote and the country didn't even like him that much...But Kerry was running...so given THAT choice...


DO THE MATH.

You will be dead by the time a Democrat becomes President again.

If you want to rid yourself of a Republican President you need to find someone who is a moderate to conservative democrat like Clinton or the Democratic party will be a small fringe group filled with lunatics ...because if they keep losing a third party that is not insane will supplant them.

That is reality ..cold hard reality ..in this year 2006 .

And GOD help us if the Dems win and screw up in congress by pulling crazy crap that proves they cant be trusted....as much as people want a change the Democrats still scare the shit out of most moderate to Conservative people who are sick of the way things are now.

You say Democrat and they see Cindy Sheehan and Nancy Pelosi and start shaking and popping Valium .

Moderate to conservative ...not liberal or far left nor far right to the religion of nuts is the huge majority of the United States.

If cant even approach the center don't bother running for office unless you want to be a historical footnote as the largest landslide loser since McGovern .

Why? Because he doesn't agree with every element of your ideology? Tsk! Kick out the jams, mo-fo! LMAO!

The JAMs were kicked out of the IASB decades ago Eut. Keep up w/ the times.

Good argument! I might have to rethink my registration this time around. Thanks! :)


I'm Thinking of trying to get a Guy like Warner from Virginia so I want to stay Democrat , I'll get to stay with the Casey commitee once we get rid of Santorum so Maybe there is some hope of finding the right guy...I'm not sure of McCain and to be honest I think a nice change will be good for the country provided we can find a Democrat like Casey who is not insane and will actually run . I liked Lieberman a little bit becuse at least he was realistic on security issues but he still wanted to get too far into my pockets tax wise..

But the democratics depend so much on the fringe looneys,,,how can a moderate win?

How else can you explain Kerry ???

Or GOD help all of us and our future unborn children DEAN...that fruitcake was actually a favorite to win the NOMINATION !!! :D


Dude we are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO screwed.

Because every single president has been a Congressmen or other Washington insider prior to being elected president.
Wait...

Meh...I need only point to our current president to demonstrate that a general lack of political experience can lead to a horridly inept administration.

Incompetence isn't partisan...I'd prefer a solid term in a decade than a mediocre one in two years.

I'd vote in the Shrub to keep out Hillary.

I'd vote Obama over Clinton, but I'd vote for either over any Republican.