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Don't worry about the source here, the video will speak for itself.

Bush lies again (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/bush-stay-the-course/)

That's it. He obviosly thinks that ever single US citizen is a total retard. Worst part is, that some people, icluding a rather vocal minority on this very forum, will actually try very hard to prove him right.

I think he was referring to the strategy and tactics in Iraq, not the Iraq war itself.

I think he was referring to the strategy and tactics in Iraq, not the Iraq war itself.

So, then why even use the words "stay the course" in the inumerable speaches, press conferences, T.V. appearances, and so on??

Why can't he just say what he means, and mean what he says?

Why can't he just say what he means, and mean what he says?

Because he's a politician.

So, then why even use the words "stay the course" in the inumerable speaches, press conferences, T.V. appearances, and so on??
because its a good meme and energizes the base.

Why can't he just say what he means, and mean what he says?

Hes a politician.

update: damn you wallonochia!

So, then why even use the words "stay the course" in the inumerable speaches, press conferences, T.V. appearances, and so on??

Why can't he just say what he means, and mean what he says?

LoL. wasn't even his words to start with. :p
"Stay the course" "1000 points of light" "A kinder, gentler nation"...
Ring a bell?

Stay the course like a lemming off a cliff.

Why can't he just say what he means, and mean what he says?
Because he's not an elephant.

"I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful, one hundred percent!"

Horton for president!

Because he's not an elephant.

"I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful, one hundred percent!"

Horton for president!
Ugh. My daughter was in the orchestra for her high school's performance of "Seussical the Musical" last year. If I never hear that again, it'll make my life much happier. The things parents do for their kids--my ex-wife drove 800 miles to see it.

Stay the course = DONT GIVE UP ON IRAQ .

Changing tactics on how we are fighting becuase they finally figured out the old ones were not working..is still STAYING THE COURSE .

ITs not tucking your tail and running home to mommy . Or to GUAM .Or to whatever else nice place besides Iraq some would run to .

Ugh. My daughter was in the orchestra for her high school's performance of "Seussical the Musical" last year. If I never hear that again, it'll make my life much happier. The things parents do for their kids--my ex-wife drove 800 miles to see it.
Hey! Don't knock the Suess-man. Ever since I've started teaching Primary, I've come to appreciate his genius all the more.


Though admittedly, I don't think I could sit through a musical about him.

Hey! Don't knock the Suess-man. Ever since I've started teaching Primary, I've come to appreciate his genius all the more.


Though admittedly, I don't think I could sit through a musical about him.

I love Dr. Seuss. I hate Seussical. Fortunately, the two are only marginally related.

I love Dr. Seuss. I hate Seussical. Fortunately, the two are only marginally related.
I's never heard of it until you told me, and I hate it already based solely on the name.
If 'Seussical' the creators idea of being punny, I can only imagine how dreadful the rest of the performance would be.

I mean, 'Suessical' doesn't even rhyme with 'Musical'.

Worst part is, that some people, icluding a rather vocal minority on this very forum, will actually try very hard to prove him right.

As opposed to the extremely vocal majority that does nothing but try to prove him wrong on every issue from Iraq to peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? :rolleyes:

Stay the course = DONT GIVE UP ON IRAQ .

Changing tactics on how we are fighting becuase they finally figured out the old ones were not working..is still STAYING THE COURSE .

ITs not tucking your tail and running home to mommy . Or to GUAM .Or to whatever else nice place besides Iraq some would run to .
Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course,”
I guess this means you think Bush has always wanted to give up on Iraq and run home then, do you?

No, no. Of course not. No matter what he says and how much he flipflops, it's always the evil Liberals who lie innit?

As opposed to the extremely vocal majority that does nothing but try to prove him wrong on every issue from Iraq to peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? :rolleyes:

Be fair. We've never discussed his PB&J strategy. But if it's anything at all like his Iraq strategy, it'll be fucked up.

Be fair. We've never discussed his PB&J strategy. But if it's anything at all like his Iraq strategy, it'll be fucked up.

I rest my case.

Be fair. We've never discussed his PB&J strategy. But if it's anything at all like his Iraq strategy, it'll be fucked up.
I'm picking too much jelly and not enough peanut butter. Makes a big sloppy mess that splurts out the sides when he bites down.


I wouldn't be surprised if he used creamy instead of chunky as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if he used creamy instead of chunky as well.

Who the hell uses chunky?

(I smell a debate)

I rest my case.

I realize that you may be a little shy of a sense of humor right now, given the current political circumstances, but you really ought to at least try.

Don't worry about the source here, the video will speak for itself.

Bush lies again (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/bush-stay-the-course/)

That's it. He obviosly thinks that ever single US citizen is a total retard. Worst part is, that some people, icluding a rather vocal minority on this very forum, will actually try very hard to prove him right.

The fact that you are a "ThinkProgress-ite" tells me all I need to know about where you're coming from. :)

(( TP ["ToiletPaper" for the mind] is a beautiful example of a masterbatory circle-fest ))

Bush says some really weird things, rather often.

What he meant is entirely up to individual interpretation.

If you interpret what was said as a lie, or at least a contradiction, then show those who DON'T believe that how that is so.

You don't have to convince those who will believe you to see it as you see it.

The video was extremely short. Did Step-boy get a clarification to this "controversial" statement that satisfied him?

If not, why not?

Was he (Step-boy) perhaps satisfied to leave the statement of Bush unclear, so as to foster further "proof" (as the left, as you have, would take this example as PROOF that Bush is a liar and deprecator of everyone's intelligence) that Bush is evil and should be pelted with stinky french cheese?

Pointing to Bush's admittedly miserable oratorical skills as proof of whatever it was you take it as proof of, does nothing but stroke your pals, unless you actually make some kind of case that something happened that has consequence.

All this "incident" proves to me is that the anti-Bush folks will seize on ANYTHING (in desperation!) to bash Bush and give-the-jollies to their comrads, without caring in the least about making a real case out of it.

Keep up the excellent work of proving how desperate and demented the left actually behaves.

Beautiful job..! :)

The fact that you are a "ThinkProgress-ite" tells me all I need to know about where you're coming from. :)

(( TP ["ToiletPaper" for the mind] is a beautiful example of a masterbatory circle-fest ))

Bush says some really weird things, rather often.

What he meant is entirely up to individual interpretation.

If you interpret what was said as a lie, or at least a contradiction, then show those who DON'T believe that how that is so.

You don't have to convince those who will believe you to see it as you see it.

The video was extremely short. Did Step-boy get a clarification to this "controversial" statement that satisfied him?

If not, why not?

Was he (Step-boy) perhaps satisfied to leave the statement of Bush unclear, so as to foster further "proof" (as the left, as you have, would take this example as PROOF that Bush is a liar and deprecator of everyone's intelligence) that Bush is evil and should be pelted with stinky french cheese?

Pointing to Bush's admittedly miserable oratorical skills as proof of whatever it was you take it as proof of, does nothing but stroke your pals, unless you actually make some kind of case that something happened that has consequence.

All this "incident" proves to me is that the anti-Bush folks will seize on ANYTHING (in desperation!) to bash Bush and give-the-jollies to their comrads, without caring in the least about making a real case out of it.

Keep up the excellent work of proving how desperate and demented the left actually behaves.

Beautiful job..! :)

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present a perfect case of cognitive dissonance. Instead of looking at the video of the President saying "we've never been stay the course," this poster attacks the website hosting the video, as though the mere existence of the website tainted the video it is hosting. There's not even an accusation that the film was somehow doctored--simply the fact that Think Progess has it is proof--proof!--that Bush didn't actually say what he is on video saying.

Southpark is right--one third of the nation is retarded.

Southpark is right--one third of the nation is retarded.


And a far higher fraction of NSG apparently.

Who the hell uses chunky?

(I smell a debate)
All I can smell is the beautiful scent of CHUNKY peanut butter, heathen.

I guess this means you think Bush has always wanted to give up on Iraq and run home then, do you?

No, no. Of course not. No matter what he says and how much he flipflops, it's always the evil Liberals who lie innit?


just the ones that claim they dont like chunky peanut butter .

All I can smell is the beautiful scent of CHUNKY peanut butter, heathen.

Pff, It's probably just clogged up your brain with those chunks.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present a perfect case of cognitive dissonance. Instead of looking at the video of the President saying "we've never been stay the course," this poster attacks the website hosting the video, as though the mere existence of the website tainted the video it is hosting. There's not even an accusation that the film was somehow doctored--simply the fact that Think Progess has it is proof--proof!--that Bush didn't actually say what he is on video saying.

Southpark is right--one third of the nation is retarded.

:)

Am I not allowed to comment on the source of the small clip?

I did look at the video, by the way, and It's just a clip of an interview.

Bush said what he said, as evidenced on the video. But what was said further along the interview? Was there any clarification? Why is that not shown?

You take it as proof of something. I take it as what I take it as.

TP has a point of view. That point of view, apparently, coincides with the points of view of many here. That's fine. :)

To me, TP is a circle-jerk community. I judge those who draw their "inspiration" from there as circle-jerk afficionados.

Many here consider anyone who doesn't vehemently hate Bush to be as "evil" as Bush himself.

That's cool. We're all free to our opinions.

So,.. who is it with the elitist opinion that a very large proportion of the US populous is retarded?

That's a VERY typical leftist opinon.

"Follow me or you are a fool and a non-human!"

The leftist creed.


I love talking leftists. They do SUCH a good job in showing their REAL hatred for humanity and the rights of others. Keep up the excellent work.

:)

Am I not allowed to comment on the source of the small clip?But you didn't comment on the source. You commented on where it was being hosted. It's not like Think Progress was doing the interview, after all--ABC News did the interview, and if you're really curious, as opposed to merely mentally masturbating, I'm sure you can find a transcript of Bush's "This Week" appearance yesterday.

Now, if you want to have a real discussion, I'll be glad to deal with you. But if it's going to be more of this pathetic excuse of reasoning that you've shown, then don't bother.

Here's my problem with chunky peanut butter:

Have you ever tried covering yourself with it? *shudder* Trust me. Don't try.

So when I'm at the store buying peanut butter, which do you think I'll buy; the tasty and versatile creamy peanut butter, or the great for eating but lousy for covering self with chunky peanut butter?

These are the sorts of eventualities I must always keep in mind when shopping. I must always assume that anything I buy could possibly end up on me. *nod* :)

But you didn't comment on the source. You commented on where it was being hosted. It's not like Think Progress was doing the interview, after all--ABC News did the interview, and if you're really curious, as opposed to merely mentally masturbating, I'm sure you can find a transcript of Bush's "This Week" appearance yesterday.

Now, if you want to have a real discussion, I'll be glad to deal with you. But if it's going to be more of this pathetic excuse of reasoning that you've shown, then don't bother.

I was commenting on the source OF THE SMALL CLIP..!

The clip from TP did not contain the context of the entire interview.

I'm actually NOT that curious about the interview. Why? Because it's yet another interview designed to allow Bush to make himself look as silly as possible, which he is AMAZINGLY capable of doing. That form of entertainment is not interesting to me.

You can always count on PrezG making a fool of himself.

If you have a point to make ABOUT the interview, though, it's encumbent upon YOU, as the one trying to make the point, to make your case as to what point you're trying to make is, and support that point.

In other words, make a compelling case, and not an inferential case, about how "Bush lied again".

Unless,.. you're talking to your buds,.. who get that little thrill upon yet another stroke, supplied nicely by both the "clip makers" and a ludicrously accomodating President G.



If I see something that I'd like to comment on, and get into discussion about, even if it's from you, that's what I'll do.

Whether you want to talk with me or not is your decision.

I'm also not interested in "cultivating" your discussion-presence by "catering to YOUR concept of REASONING".



Ya' wanna talk,.. talk..! Ya' don't, don't. S'up to you, Jack. :)

From the full transcript (http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2594541&page=1):

STEPHANOPOULOS: Is the government format to your standards right now?

BUSH: The government is — look, I think the guy's been in office for about four months, Maliki. In my judgment, Maliki has got what it takes to lead a unity government.

But what you're seeing is a new form of government actually beginning to evolve after years of tyranny.

I'm patient. I'm not patient forever. And I'm not patient with dawdling. But I recognize the degree of difficulty of the task, and therefore, say to the American people, we won't cut and run.

On the other hand, we'll constantly adjust our strategy to…

STEPHANOPOULOS: Exactly what I wanted to ask you about, because James Baker said that he's looking for something between cut and run…

BUSH: Cut and run and.

STEPHANOPOULOS: … and stay the course.

BUSH: Well, listen, we've never been stay the course, George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job and help achieve the goal, but we're constantly adjusting the tactics, constantly.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's what I don't get.

BUSH: OK.

STEPHANOPOULOS: James Baker's a smart guy. He's got a solid group of people on that study group. But what can he come up with that you and your military commanders haven't already thought of?

BUSH: Well, why don't we wait and see? I don't — you know, we're not in collaboration with the Baker-Hamilton committee. I think this is a good idea, to get people outside to come and take a look.

That's an interesting question. I'm looking forward to seeing the answer.

I was commenting on the source OF THE SMALL CLIP..!

The clip from TP did not contain the context of the entire interview.

Actually, you weren't. You may not understand the difference between a source and a [/b]host[/b], but there is a significant one.

Don't worry about the source here, the video will speak for itself.

Bush lies again (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/bush-stay-the-course/)

That's it. He obviosly thinks that ever single US citizen is a total retard. Worst part is, that some people, icluding a rather vocal minority on this very forum, will actually try very hard to prove him right.

Typical moronic tactics to take a line out of the context of an entire conversation and then start an idiotic thread on it .


What fools.

I watched the WHOLE conversation and I know he was refering back to the tactics used to fight the war and defending himself as being accused as to " Staying the course " by not chaging tactics that do not work.

Just like everyone else with half a brain cell could understand if they watched the interview.

credibilility rating is a minus 50 for :D this topic....

So having read the transcript now - thanks for posting that, by the way - it's apparent that there's some confusion as to what "stay the course" has been referring to over the years in all his different speeches. I always had assumed, as others have apparently, that the course was referring to a specific set of policies and strategies (as opposed to a general mission statement along the lines of "stay until the job is done", which implies nothing about policy or strategy). However, I must concede the possibility that the ubiquitous "stay the course" line may have been just another way of saying "we're not going to cut and run."

In other words, he's not clearly lying here - unless in his previous speeches the President was asserting that we should not change our policies or strategies in Iraq. I suppose it's open to interpretation.

From the full transcript (http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2594541&page=1):


Thank you .

Typical moronic tactics to take a line out of the context of an entire conversation and then start an idiotic thread on it .


What fools.

I watched the WHOLE conversation and I know he was refering back to the tactics used to fight the war and defending himself as being accused as to " Staying the course " by not chaging tactics that do not work.

Just like everyone else with half a brain cell could understand if they watched the interview.

credibilility rating is a minus 50 for :D this topic....

Actually, he seemed to me to be responding to Stephanopoulos's mention of Baker's "something between cut and run and stay the course:"

STEPHANOPOULOS: Exactly what I wanted to ask you about, because James Baker said that he's looking for something between cut and run…

BUSH: Cut and run and.

STEPHANOPOULOS: … and stay the course.

BUSH: Well, listen, we've never been stay the course, George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job and help achieve the goal, but we're constantly adjusting the tactics, constantly.

Here's my problem with chunky peanut butter:

Have you ever tried covering yourself with it? *shudder* Trust me. Don't try.

So when I'm at the store buying peanut butter, which do you think I'll buy; the tasty and versatile creamy peanut butter, or the great for eating but lousy for covering self with chunky peanut butter?

These are the sorts of eventualities I must always keep in mind when shopping. I must always assume that anything I buy could possibly end up on me. *nod* :)

A whole new form of dermal abrasion therapy..!

COOL...!!

I'll have to try that.....

:D

A whole new form of dermal abrasion therapy..!

COOL...!!

I'll have to try that.....

:D

Those little bits work their way into every crevice. *nod*

Quote:
Originally Posted by Insignificantia
I was commenting on the source OF THE SMALL CLIP..!

The clip from TP did not contain the context of the entire interview.


Actually, you weren't. You may not understand the difference between a source and a [/b]host[/b], but there is a significant one.


Actually, I was.

The interview must have been longer than that which was seen at the TP site, simply because ABC news doesn't let interviews either start or end like that.

The clip, being hosted by TP, was a CLIP.

The source of the CLIP was TP.

The source from which the clip was extracted from was ABC.


Do we have mutual understanding now? :)

Actually, he seemed to me to be responding to Stephanopoulos's mention of Baker's "something between cut and run and stay the course:"

STEPHANOPOULOS: Exactly what I wanted to ask you about, because James Baker said that he's looking for something between cut and run…

BUSH: Cut and run and.

STEPHANOPOULOS: … and stay the course.

BUSH: Well, listen, we've never been stay the course, George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job and help achieve the goal, but we're constantly adjusting the tactics, constantly.

I bolded the part of the interview that leads me to believe Bush uses "stay the course" to refer to "not cut and run" as opposed to strategy changes, hence the possibility that considering new strategies in Iraq is not a violation of the creedo "stay the course".

Much worse things going on right now, though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Insignificantia
A whole new form of dermal abrasion therapy..!

COOL...!!

I'll have to try that.....

Those little bits work their way into every crevice. *nod*

Oooooo....

That sounds both very nifty, and very,.. disturbing. All at once..!

Ah,.. I have a good shower-massager,..

Those little bits can't hide from ME..!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Farnhamia
Actually, he seemed to me to be responding to Stephanopoulos's mention of Baker's "something between cut and run and stay the course:"

STEPHANOPOULOS: Exactly what I wanted to ask you about, because James Baker said that he's looking for something between cut and run…

BUSH: Cut and run and.

STEPHANOPOULOS: … and stay the course.

BUSH: Well, listen, we've never been stay the course, George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job and help achieve the goal, but we're constantly adjusting the tactics, constantly.


I bolded the part of the interview that leads me to believe Bush uses "stay the course" to refer to "not cut and run" as opposed to strategy changes, hence the possibility that considering new strategies in Iraq is not a violation of the creedo "stay the course".

Much worse things going on right now, though.

Those who wish to see this as "Bush is LYING!!!", "Bush is flipping!!", will see it that way. Period.

Leave them to their interpretations.

Well they do always have Kerry to fall back on if they ever need an expert opinion...maybe they should ask him . see what part of sybil he is at any rate.