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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/22/germany.nazis.ap/index.html

I find the irony of right-wing growth in the former DDR delicious.

Whenever there's something with a "neo-Nazi", the Jews are automatically crying out about how they are unsafe, forgetting that these people also attack "blacks" and other "undesireables". All minorities have the same right to this fear. This article should've given equal representation to the other groups who might fear such a rise of the right.

There have been neo-Nazis in the fromer DDR since the late Honecker era, this is nothing really new.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/22/germany.nazis.ap/index.html

I find the irony of right-wing growth in the former DDR delicious.

And how is this a good thing?

well, germany should deal with it. attempting to supress opinions is communism.

if you were wondering, yes i do blame the EU.

Why do you blame the EU? :rolleyes:

well, germany should deal with it. attempting to supress opinions in communism.

if you were wondering, yes i do blame the EU.
Uh... I'm suddenly VERY confused.

Why do you blame the EU and how is communism related to neo-Nazism?

He probably blames the EU because it's easy. Anything vaguely wrong in Europe is often blamed on the EU by some.

Uh... I'm suddenly VERY confused.

Why do you blame the EU and how is communism related to neo-Nazism?

You bring up a valid question, one which I am equally curious to here the answer to....

Uh... I'm suddenly VERY confused.

Why do you blame the EU and how is communism related to neo-Nazism?

twas a typographical error. i meant to say that trying to supress opinions is communism.

twas a typographical error. i meant to say that rynoong to supress opinions is communism.

Actually, trying to supress opinions is Totalitarianism.

twas a typographical error. i meant to say that rynoong to supress opinions is communism.

How? Trying to supresss opinions is done by most idealogies.

twas a typographical error. i meant to say that rynoong to supress opinions is communism.

You're still wrong though. Communism has nothing to do with suppression of opinions. Communism is an economic system, which is usually tied in with Corrupt Dictatorship governments.


Communism in itself is not evil. Hell, read my sig for my feelings about it!

But it is used to make Dictators richer, giving us Democratic Communists a bad name.

Why do you blame the EU? :rolleyes:

read this article. (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865)

Whenever there's something with a "neo-Nazi", the Jews are automatically crying out about how they are unsafe, forgetting that these people also attack "blacks" and other "undesireables". All minorities have the same right to this fear. This article should've given equal representation to the other groups who might fear such a rise of the right.

The fact that Jews feel unsafe is a poignant reminder of the last time Jews felt unsafe in Germany.

And everyone cries out when they feel unsafe, you shouldn't blame the Jews for the fact that CNN decided to pick them out. Nor should you blame CNN for the fact that they don't have the journalistic competence not to make this story seem like its 1934 all over again, (oh wait...)

And @ Swilata: 'Rynoong'? What the hell is 'rynoong'?

The fact that Jews feel unsafe is a poignant reminder of the last time Jews felt unsafe in Germany.

And everyone cries out when they feel unsafe, you shouldn't blame the Jews for the fact that CNN decided to pick them out. Nor should you blame CNN for the fact that they don't have the journalistic competence not to make this story seem like its 1934 all over again, (oh wait...)

And @ Swilata: 'Rynoong'? What the hell is 'rynoong'?

another typo. t'was fixed now.

We must smash them with a potato mallet.

another typo. t'was fixed now.

Dude, that was one hell of a typo. You gotta keep that thing on a leash or something.

We must smash them with a potato mallet.
With ten butterknives attached. For sure.

The fact that Jews feel unsafe is a poignant reminder of the last time Jews felt unsafe in Germany.
Some Jews, not "Jews".

Just like some other people feel unsafe.

As for KP - I guarantee you that the minute "the right" (you're pretty desperate for people who might tolerate your views, aren't you) comes anywhere close to gaining power, I'm catching the first plane back and standing right there in the streets to stop them. Whatever the cost.

They destroyed Germany (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,444119,00.html) once, I'm not up to letting them do it again.

read this article. (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865)

And that has what exactly to do with radical nationalists and neo-Nazis in the former East Germany??? :confused:

Besides, the guy sounds a little demented calling the EU a totalitarian state... it is in fact neither.

Some Jews, not "Jews".

Just like some other people feel unsafe.

As for KP - I guarantee you that the minute "the right" (you're pretty desperate for people who might tolerate your views, aren't you) comes anywhere close to gaining power, I'm catching the first plane back and standing right there in the streets to stop them. Whatever the cost.

They destroyed Germany (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,444119,00.html) once, I'm not up to letting them do it again.

And I'll be standing right there with you. I was out on the street protesting for the better part of the early 1990s, and I'll do it again.

And that has what exactly to do with radical nationalists and neo-Nazis in the former East Germany??? :confused:

Besides, the guy sounds a little demented calling the EU a totalitarian state... it is in fact neither.

tell my why you are so supportive of the EU.

tell my why you are so supportive of the EU.

Supportive? By stating that it is not a souvereign state per definition, and doesn't meet any of the requirements for "totalitarian", either?
Or by pointing out that it had nothing whatsoever to do with growing radicalisation in East Germany?

As for KP - I guarantee you that the minute "the right" (you're pretty desperate for people who might tolerate your views, aren't you) comes anywhere close to gaining power, I'm catching the first plane back and standing right there in the streets to stop them. Whatever the cost.

And I'll be standing right there with you. I was out on the street protesting for the better part of the early 1990s, and I'll do it again.

Pity then. I guess this means we can't be allies.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/22/germany.nazis.ap/index.html

I find the irony of right-wing growth in the former DDR delicious.
I find it ironic that you support an ideology that resulted in tens of millions of deaths and the destruction of the homeland. Wanna go for seconds?

And I'll be standing right there with you. I was out on the street protesting for the better part of the early 1990s, and I'll do it again.
The horrid thing is that unless the politicians get their act together, we might actually have to. :(

http://www.zeit.de/2006/39/NPD
http://www.zeit.de/2006/23/Lesereise

Pity then. I guess this means we can't be allies.

And you're surprised about that???

I find it ironic that you support an ideology that resulted in tens of millions of deaths and the destruction of the homeland. Wanna go for seconds?

How is that ironic?

The horrid thing is that unless the politicians get their act together, we might actually have to. :(

http://www.zeit.de/2006/39/NPD
http://www.zeit.de/2006/23/Lesereise

You're right. We have to do everything we can to ensure that those who wish to enforce law and order and protect the people never get to power.

And you're surprised about that???

No, not really.

You're right. We have to do everything we can to ensure that those who wish to enforce law and order and protect the people never get to power.

Are we talking about the same people who set fire to cars and supermarkets each year on the 1st of May in Leipzig?

Are we talking about the same people who set fire to cars and supermarkets each year on the 1st of May in Leipzig?

That's called counter riot. Those commies started it!

That's called counter riot. Those commies started it!

They did? Really? Interesting.... I never saw them around. Only posters calling all "nationalbewusste" to participate in the demonstrations. The riots must have been a bonus, then.

You're right. We have to do everything we can to ensure that those who wish to enforce law and order and protect the people never get to power.

You mean - law and order for all the aryans, do you?

These people who beat up blacks for being black, who paint nazi graffiti on jewish cementeries - you really they want to enforce law and order?!

These nazis are a huge problem, most of them are workless young men with a bad education. They don't see a chance in their lifes - so they blame the foreigners. They think, if you send away a foreigner, one more "German" will get work. (Which is totally stupod, of course.)

To have a dark skin can be very dangerous in some parts of eastern Germany. The neo nazis are only searching for some victims, which they can terrorise to get rid of their anger. They really don't have anything to do with law and order.

That's called counter riot.

"Counter-riot"? That's one of the most wonderfully silly things I've ever read here. "Let's riot and burn random people's cars, in the name of law and order and to make sure people feel safe!" Is that what you're saying?

You mean - law and order for all the aryans, do you?

These people who beat up blacks for being black, who paint nazi graffiti on jewish cementeries - you really they want to enforce law and order?!

These nazis are a huge problem, most of them are workless young men with a bad education. They don't see a chance in their lifes - so they blame the foreigners. They think, if you send away a foreigner, one more "German" will get work. (Which is totally stupod, of course.)

To have a dark skin can be very dangerous in some parts of eastern Germany. The neo nazis are only searching for some victims, which they can terrorise to get rid of their anger. They really don't have anything to do with law and order.

The really funny thing is that there are virtually no non-Germans in those areas to begin with. Apparently, people are afraid of something they just have no concept of nor any contact with. Places with a high level of non-nationals tend to be generally ok with them.
It's plain ignorance and fear mongering.

How is that ironic?
That you would support an ideology that has little chance of achieving any success.

read this article. (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865)

While I am not too happy with the direction the EU is going, it is not a totalitarian state. As someone already said before, it's not a state to begin with. The nation-states still hold their sovereignty in most fields, and the number of things the EU can do without permission of the national leaders is very limited. Many EU countries just opt-out of the rules they don't like because there isn't much the EU can do to them if they don't sign up to it. Any major changes must be approved by the European Council, which is made up of the presidents and PMs of every member state. Anything that would move the EU to a real state would have to be approved with unanimity, so if one leader said no, it wouldn't happen. So unless you think that every single PM and president of the EU is stupid and/or in on the conspiracy, the EU won't become a totalitarian state. In addition to that, every EU directive must be voted on by the European Parliament so even the things that nation-states don't vote on themselves, they have representives in the EP. So if you want the EU to interfer less in your country, help an anti-EU parliament get elected in the EP. Most people don't bother to vote in those elections so it shouldn't be that hard to change the tide.

You're right. We have to do everything we can to ensure that those who wish to enforce law and order and protect the people never get to power.
Oh, you mean those guys:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,357628,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,438685,00.html

You know, that first article's got a point. For many of these kids this is all a way of rebelling against parents that don't get offended anymore by "normal" teen behaviour:
http://www.zeit.de/2006/39/Shell_Studie

And then these people come along. They offer a way to piss off the parents.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,418617,00.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/22/germany.nazis.ap/index.html

I find the irony of right-wing growth in the former DDR delicious.Explain it. Perhaps we can get some tasty rust too.

The right really IS rising again.
LOL... When I read this, I thought Did Foley got another page assigned to him?

Whenever there's something with a "neo-Nazi", the Jews are automatically crying out about how they are unsafe, forgetting that these people also attack "blacks" and other "undesireables". All minorities have the same right to this fear. This article should've given equal representation to the other groups who might fear such a rise of the right.

Ahh...yes...those goddamned Jews! Why don't they all just keep quiet and let neo-nazis have their way.

Ahh...yes...those goddamned Jews! Why don't they all just keep quiet and let neo-nazis have their way.
Seriously though - the article was a bit misleading. Jews are seldomly the targets of these groups, probably because they are indistinguishable from "normal Germans".

They go after people who look different, namely immigrants from Africa and the Middle East.

Furthermore, in the East of the country you'll find neither immigrants nor Jews. Everyone with half a brain has left the East - first fleeing the Russians, then fleeing the Commies, now fleeing unemployment. What's left over is...how shall I put it...ah, I got it: antisocial crap.