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Just reading the horrified threads about what's going down in America (namely, civil liberties, human rights and moral decency) and I notice what I have noticed on NS for the 2+ years I have posted here. That no matter what, the Bush supporters will always agree with whatever authoritarian measures are stamped by Bush and Republicans.

I'm wondering what there limit would be?

Just reading the horrified threads about what's going down in America (namely, civil liberties, human rights and moral decency) and I notice what I have noticed on NS for the 2+ years I have posted here. That no matter what, the Bush supporters will always agree with whatever authoritarian measures are stamped by Bush and Republicans.

I'm wondering what there limit would be?

If you mean people like MTAE, then you should realize they are all trolls. Then, there are those like me, that are disgusted by ppl like Foley, and won't ever apologize for anything like that, but otherwise realize that Bush is not Hitler reincarnated, and that he is looking out for America.

so far, the only thing seems to be bush's disinclination to summarily execute immigrants without the proper paperwork. i know that several authoritarian followers on here have stated that that was some sort of major betrayal on his part and soured them on the movement as a whole.

Mass Rape.

He'd have to be caught eating babies before they would stop trusting him. See RockTheCasbah who seems to think that Bush actually only cares about America.

Mass Rape.

no, that one was written off as like some sort of good-natured college prank and "blowing off steam"

I'm wondering what there limit would be?Not being tough enough on immigration.

He'd have to be caught eating babies before they would stop trusting him.

not if they were mexican babies

If you mean people like MTAE, then you should realize they are all trolls. Then, there are those like me, that are disgusted by ppl like Foley, and won't ever apologize for anything like that, but otherwise realize that Bush is not Hitler reincarnated, and that he is looking out for America.
Actually this thread is inspired not by the MTAE types, but by one of your posts (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11842270&postcount=96) funny enough.

I feel that Bush is a good leader, but doesn't take his policies to their natural conclusion and just tries to do things half-heartedly. But, of course, that's better than the heartless Democratic candidates who are fine with killing babies. It would take a lot for me to lose faith in him.

Actually this thread is inspired not by the MTAE types, but by one of your posts (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11842270&postcount=96) funny enough.Sweet! :D
"But they have proof!" ROFL

I feel that Bush is a good leader, but doesn't take his policies to their natural conclusion and just tries to do things half-heartedly. But, of course, that's better than the heartless Democratic candidates who are fine with killing babies. It would take a lot for me to lose faith in him.Well, he hasn't reinstituted slavery yet. I'm sure that's a major disappointment to you.

the obvious answer is "if there were undeniable proof that bush engineered 9/11"

i think that would do it for everyone. (i dont believe he engineered 9/11)


the non-obvious but much more likely to be true answer is "if bush were shown to be gay"

i read some nasty website the other week that said that bush hung out with a gay crowd in school and that his family ended up sending him to a christian re-education camp to convert gays to straights.

would his backers drop him if this were true?

Well, he hasn't reinstituted slavery yet. I'm sure that's a major disappointment to you.

I wasn't expecting him to, but I would be ecstatic if such a policy were implemented.

karaoke with dancing mimes at Starbucks. Nothing could excuse that.

I wasn't expecting him to, but I would be ecstatic if such a policy were implemented.

Until, of course, you and your family were enslaved.

I feel that Bush is a good leader, but doesn't take his policies to their natural conclusion and just tries to do things half-heartedly. But, of course, that's better than the heartless Democratic candidates who are fine with killing babies. It would take a lot for me to lose faith in him.

The natural conclusion of Bush's policies is a dystopian police-state...

The natural conclusion of Bush's policies is a utopian police-state...

I took the liberty of editing your post for accuracy. Do you feel that we should allow crime to abound instead of taking measures to curb it? Neither Bush nor I share your views on that subject.

Actually this thread is inspired not by the MTAE types, but by one of your posts (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11842270&postcount=96) funny enough.

I feel so honored.

utopian police-state

haha. seriously, whose puppet are you?

I took the liberty of editing your post for accuracy. Do you feel that we should allow crime to abound instead of taking measures to curb it? Neither Bush nor I share your views on that subject.

You want America to become a police state?

haha. seriously, whose puppet are you?

I don't know... in the slavery thread he sounded quite sincere.

If he's a puppet, his puppetmaster is quite talented.

Define "Bush supporter."

I mean there are people who thought he would be a good president and later changed their minds. There are those who think he's good at certain things but not others. There are of course also those who think his shit doesn't stink, and then those that think he is 100% shit.

Those who have a tendency towards unflappable, blind support of the man and everything he does, will probably have SOME upper limit - say if Bush starts raping babies on television. But for many people its a limit that will never be reached - in their eyes he can do no wrong.

Just reading the horrified threads about what's going down in America (namely, civil liberties, human rights and moral decency) and I notice what I have noticed on NS for the 2+ years I have posted here. That no matter what, the Bush supporters will always agree with whatever authoritarian measures are stamped by Bush and Republicans.

I'm wondering what there limit would be?
You have been posting as long as moi? Okay, what was your other Nation? :eek:

The Busheviks feel that Fearless Leader can do no wrong. How many of them still think that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11?

Polls: More Than 4 in 10 Americans Still Think Saddam Involved in 9/11 Attacks (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003118176)

A Zogby poll released earlier this week found similar results, with 46% claiming that Iraq was connected to 9/11, again with 2 out of 3 (65%) of Republicans feeling this way.

In 2003, it was 7 in 10:

Hussein Link to 9/11 Lingers in Many Minds (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32862-2003Sep5?language=printer)

The Post poll, conducted Aug. 7-11, found that 62 percent of Democrats, 80 percent of Republicans and 67 percent of independents suspected a link between Hussein and 9/11.

The White House soundbytes seem to resonate with Republicans, despite documentation to the contrary.

As long as the sounbytes resonate, they are going to trust Bush to do the right thing. That is a major problem.

You have been posting as long as moi? Okay, what was your other Nation?
I was Swimmingpool for a long time, and the oldest nation I can remember being was Siljhouettes.

the non-obvious but much more likely to be true answer is "if bush were shown to be gay"

would his backers drop him if this were true?
Maybe... Utah for instance votes Rep. to defend religious values. There would be a crisis of conscience to have an 'affront' -or some equally horrid term- in office, who nonetheless gives them what they want. A gay antiabortionist President... yes, I would love to see that worked out.

I was Swimmingpool for a long time, and the oldest nation I can remember being was Siljhouettes.

Swimmingpool, Eruantalon, The Half-Hidden, Francis Street, Meath Street, now Clanbrassil Street.

I think those were all you, anyway.

haha. seriously, whose puppet are you?
I do believe that he was RealAmerica before it was deleted.

I was Swimmingpool for a long time, and the oldest nation I can remember being was Siljhouettes.
That is why people shouldn't have puppets. I really enjoyed your political compass. You did a lot of hard work there. Thanks. :)

I don't know... in the slavery thread he sounded quite sincere.

If he's a puppet, his puppetmaster is quite talented.
:confused: Hang on, there is some possibility MTAE is something other than a 'leftist' beat-up on 'right-leaning' folk...:confused:

I didnt think even MTAE was pretending otherwise....I thought that was the clear meaning signalled by the name itself (ie that the nation exists as a means to the end of the discrediting the 'far-right'...)....:confused: Now I'm confused...

Re-the OP, I dont think eating live babies on tv would put off hardcore Bush aplogists. At this point they firstly have far too much personally invested to have any desire to cut their losses.

Secondly, if they face the truth about Bush, they have to face the truth of their part in enabling him and his actions.

It's not hard to imagine why people who think they love their country for its freedoms and liberty, whose self-identification is partially based on feeling superior because they live in a land with such freedoms (and checks and balances that maintain those freedoms), would be reluctant to face the facts of what they have enabled, supported and been cheerleaders for over the last few years.

Look what their support has enabled Bush to do to the country - it's not the same USA it was when he walked into office. Freedom and liberty are now mo more than catchphrase, they used to be a reality - an integral aspect of America....all gone, and those who claim to love their country for these very things are the ones who stood on the side-lines cheering for their destruction... I understand why it's hard to face and why cowards prefer denial.

I don't know... in the slavery thread he sounded quite sincere.

If he's a puppet, his puppetmaster is quite talented.

If I had to guess, I'd say Deep Kimchi. MTAE's points are too well reasoned to be Corneliu's or The UN Abassadorship's. Maybe Myrmidonisia, but they have that DK echo to them, at least to my ear, and he hasn't been around much lately.

If I had to guess, I'd say Deep Kimchi. MTAE's points are too well reasoned to be Corneliu's or The UN Abassadorship's. Maybe Myrmidonisia, but they have that DK echo to them, at least to my ear, and he hasn't been around much lately.

I don't know, MTAE seems to be on at different times to when I used to see DK most often. I'd like to think he was his own person but the way he knew the currents of the forum and the alignments of the main posters from pretty much post 1 makes me think he is someones puppet.

MTAE reminds me a little of DesignatedMarksman.

I feel that Bush is a good leader, but doesn't take his policies to their natural conclusion and just tries to do things half-heartedly. But, of course, that's better than the heartless Democratic candidates who are fine with killing babies. It would take a lot for me to lose faith in him.

OK, stop that now. If you have an actual point to make, do so... baseless generalizations are not necessary.

MTAE reminds me a little of DesignatedMarksman.DM wasn't that smart. Say what you will about MTAE's positions--he's got style. It's a rare quality in a forum poster.

If I had to guess, I'd say Deep Kimchi. MTAE's points are too well reasoned to be Corneliu's or The UN Abassadorship's. Maybe Myrmidonisia, but they have that DK echo to them, at least to my ear, and he hasn't been around much lately.
DK =/= MTAE

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11837545&postcount=301

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11837649&postcount=304

At least that is my take.

I took the liberty of editing your post for accuracy. Do you feel that we should allow crime to abound instead of taking measures to curb it? Neither Bush nor I share your views on that subject.

And the only solution you see is to take away all civil rights, deport the poor, and enslave the stupid? Sorry, your editing was for inaccuracy there... that is most certainly a dystopia that you are pushing, and one that probably even most fiction writers wouldn't touch because it lacks any sort of basis in reality.

DM wasn't that smart. Say what you will about MTAE's positions--he's got style. It's a rare quality in a forum poster.
The style is an illusion. He traps himself quite often.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11841777&postcount=425

There have been other examples. I think he gets so far out there that he can't remember his POV in other threads, either that he confuses them.

But then again, that is just my thoughts.

The style is an illusion. He traps himself quite often.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11841777&postcount=425

There have been other examples. I think he gets so far out there that he can't remember his POV in other threads, either that he confuses them.

But then again, that is just my thoughts.

Well, that's proof that he's a troll instead of an actual believer in his stances. Notice, I didn't say his stances made sense, just that his arguments had a certain style not often seen in trolls around these parts.

Well, that's proof that he's a troll instead of an actual believer in his stances. Notice, I didn't say his stances made sense, just that his arguments had a certain style not often seen in trolls around these parts.
The entertainment value fades quickly. :p

The entertainment value fades quickly. :p
I will admit, I go into few of his threads, and never stay long when I do. He's good in limited amounts, like Chevy Chase, which is to say about once every five years or so, and then only in "Caddyshack."

I will admit, I go into few of his threads, and never stay long when I do. He's good in limited amounts, like Chevy Chase, which is to say about once every five years or so, and then only in "Caddyshack."
You didn't like Clark Griswold? :D

Yes, I try to avoid his threads now, but the Slavery one was over the top.

Yes, I try to avoid his threads now, but the Slavery one was over the top.

True, but I'll give him this - he argued it fairly well.

True, but I'll give him this - he argued it fairly well.
Naw, he was winging it....adding shit as he went along. Police inspectors making sure that the "idiots" were not being abused. Cameras for the "idiots" to record all events in case of mistreatment, plus a government database for these A/V recordings, etc.

I'll support Bush because he is the elected President of the US and we are at war. I will not blindly go along with all the bullshit his administration pulls and If the DEMOCRATS ever give me a decent choice I will gladly vote for them .
But the Bush TAX cuts have been excellent for the economy.
I like almost everything he has done with the economy considering all the wars and natural disasters.
I actually like his realistic view on immigration.
I think his views on stem cells and other MORAL issues are from the stone age .
His administrations handling of the war in Iraq has been subpar . At best I expected much better.
He has stuck to his guns and has kept his word and has shown he can learn from his mistakes and the mistakes of others..I think he did a great job with NK. He didn't do a great job with his hiring of a fema director and NO paid for it .
The judges ....time will tell but I'm ready to shoot a few over eminent domain...but I cant blame all of that on this administration.

His handling of the war on terror has been erratic ,,,but its not like he had a playbook for a new type of war and an evolving and very intelligent threat...but he has met every challenge..I give him credit .

He is far from the best President and far from the worse...and the situations he has had to deal with as a President are insane ...

Would I vote for him if he could run again ?

It depends who his opponent was...I know I wouldn't vote for him in a republican primary ...but if my choice was AGAIN George Bush or Kerry...
I would Have to Vote for Bush .

I refuse to vote for a weak leader or for a party that cant make up its mind if we are at war or just think everything is America's fault.

I will not vote for a candidate that will run away from Iraq or set a timetable or any other stupid sop they would throw to the far left that would harm us greatly .

If a moderate republican can get the nomination it would be great...but the Democrats are eating their young still and a great candidate like lieberman got screwed by his own party...Who will they get to run ? And how much will they have to sell out to the far left to win ?
same problem with the republicans...I am tired of having religion shoved down my throat...and because the right owns religion and wins with it ...I get to hear about stupid shit like ID being taught in school and more pushing for removing reproductive rights...or abortion ..back into medievil times. Not to mention Gay marriage and other dumb ass issues...maybe Foley gets them to shut up about it .

Gun Controll...the left can bite me. The only gun controll I want to hear about is the correct grip for firing at multiple moving targets for the best score.

Education...and social welfare are a toss up...depends on the candidate and not the party. Although the liberals would take more of my money and use it for programs...they never work...if they actually worked I wouldnt mind as much.

health care in the US is a disgrace....neither party seems to have a clue...they should both be horse whipped untill they get one .

So its like that...rock and a hard place.

Who is going to be the candidate and what fringe group will he sell out to to get elected ?


But for the next two years I will support the President the American People put in office durring a time of war. I reserve my right to point out all the fuck ups and anything I see as an abuse of power.BUt the benifit of the doubt will go to the President until and unless he does something to prove otherwise.

.BUt the benifit of the doubt will go to the President until and unless he does something to prove otherwise.
Fuck the rest of your drivel. If you're still giving Bush the benefit of the doubt now, there's not a goddamn thing you won't give him the benefit of the doubt on.

Naw, he was winging it....adding shit as he went along. Police inspectors making sure that the "idiots" were not being abused. Cameras for the "idiots" to record all events in case of mistreatment, plus a government database for these A/V recordings, etc.

Oh, I ignored those parts. The practicalities just don't interest me; arguing against slavery based on practicalities is like opposing genocide because it's too expensive.

I was referring more to his argument from pleasure.

Fuck the rest of your drivel. If you're still giving Bush the benefit of the doubt now, there's not a goddamn thing you won't give him the benefit of the doubt on.


I hear valium will help your condition.

You really have a hate on for the guy dont you ?

Yes he is President ..the US is at war ...He gets the benifit of the doubt.

You see red and I see Black. Your a leftwing liberal ..I am a moderate .

I do not expect to see things your way , ever .

I hear valium will help your condition.
Don't need it. I have a soul.
You really have a hate on for the guy dont you ?Anyone who doesn't at this point is either evil or a tool. Which are you?

Yes he is President ..the US is at war ...He gets the benifit of the doubt.We're at war because that douchebag took us into one. Benefit of the doubt? He ought to be dragged before the Hague.

You see red and I see Black. Your a leftwing liberal ..I am a moderate .What is that? Calling me a commie? How 1950's of you. :rolleyes:
The problem with you is that you see only two sides to any issue, and one of them involves you pissing yourself in fear from the scary Muslims.

I do not expect to see things your way , ever .
Fine. Stay ignorant and scared, just like the authoritarian powers in charge like you.

Fuck the rest of your drivel. If you're still giving Bush the benefit of the doubt now, there's not a goddamn thing you won't give him the benefit of the doubt on.

except, perhaps, the not murdering immigrants for not having their paperwork in order thing, which i mentioned earlier. but yeah, the sheer level of insanity necessary to even begin to form the idea that bush might be deserving the benefit of the doubt on anything is just mindboggling.

I am a moderate

one question - are you lying to us or to yourself as well?

I hear valium will help your condition.

You really have a hate on for the guy dont you ?

Yes he is President ..the US is at war ...He gets the benifit of the doubt.

You see red and I see Black. Your a leftwing liberal ..I am a moderate .

I do not expect to see things your way , ever .

Well, who started the war in Iraq, althoug almost everyone knew that Saddam hadn't any WMD?

His blind actions has cost the lives of thousands of people - and he has destabalised the middle east.

Even in times of war, it can be good not to support the president. You are not a traitor in this case. I remember something the German Kaiser Willhelm II said after starting WW I. He needed money for the army. Without, the war would be over very fast. In parliament he said: "I don't know any parties, I only know Germans!" So everyone voting against more money would be a traitor.

But it's nice to see that there are some people supporting Bush, but not following him blindly. Either these trolls are insane, or they want to play the advocatus diaboli - to make everyone clear, that Bushs policy is wrong by showing the extremes.

I really can't belive, that someone living in a democratic states want to errect a police state.

Don't need it. I have a soul.
Anyone who doesn't at this point is either evil or a tool. Which are you?

We're at war because that douchebag took us into one. Benefit of the doubt? He ought to be dragged before the Hague.

What is that? Calling me a commie? How 1950's of you. :rolleyes:
The problem with you is that you see only two sides to any issue, and one of them involves you pissing yourself in fear from the scary Muslims.


Fine. Stay ignorant and scared, just like the authoritarian powers in charge like you.

You must be a real pisser at parties....:D

I claimed you are left wing liberal...not a commie . I think a commie would be even further left than you .

I view the war as justified and not only needed but ten years too long in comming....too bad they fucked up the after the war part so bad.
:D
Afghanistan was justified and needed.

I have more soul than you could ever know ...:D

Dude I am far from ignorant....

speaking of ignorant ,,maybe you should go back over your post and reflect a bit on the evil tool part..

Muslims dont bother me at all ...not much does. And contray to what I have seen of your post I actually take the time to look at all sides of an issue .

You let your ideology drag you around and keep you blind.

Me authoritarian ?:D

I'll be showing this around for laughs that will last years .

one question - are you lying to us or to yourself as well?


Dude compared to you I am practically Hitler....your so far left your almost right .




Well, who started the war in Iraq, althoug almost everyone knew that Saddam hadn't any WMD?



Is that a fact...rewriting history now are we ? AFTER the war was over we discovered the intel was wrong ...BEFORE the war it was almost a solid front accross the bord on his having WMDS...HE said he did..all the so called intelligence services said he did....the trickle of people that actually went against the tide and said he may not ...of course popped up later to " I told you so "

But this arguments really old and boring...been over it a billion times.

I believe saddam Invaded Kuwaitt and that led to a cease fire under terms he didnt live up to for TEN years...so I would say saddam had a huge part in getting himself put in a hole .

Is that a fact...rewriting history now are we ? AFTER the war was over we discovered the intel was wrong ...BEFORE the war it was almost a solid front accross the bord on his having WMDS...HE said he did..all the so called intelligence services said he did....the trickle of people that actually went against the tide and said he may not ...of course popped up later to " I told you so "


There was no solid front that Iraq had WMD. In fact, the UN didn't find anything before the war, and some of the things the intelligences told were proofed to be lies.

Bush never wanted to hear anything like "There aren't WMD in Iraq." So the intelligence reports were not worth anything.

Is that a fact...rewriting history now are we ? AFTER the war was over we discovered the intel was wrong ...BEFORE the war it was almost a solid front accross the bord on his having WMDS...HE said he did..all the so called intelligence services said he did....the trickle of people that actually went against the tide and said he may not ...of course popped up later to " I told you so "
I dont recall the world's foremost expert on the issue having said I told you so. In fact Mr Blix has been very restrained in the "I told you so business"....

Never mind accusing others of re-writing history. The fact remains the world's foremost expert on Saddam's WMD capabilities was on the ground investigating, and he was finding no evidence of an active WMD programe.

The intelligence that according to Bush & Co. Ltd not only proved the existence of the WMD's but gave their exact locations was requested by investigators on the ground in Iraq repeatedly. They were denied it (probably because it didnt exist). Instead of letting investigations prove the truth of the matter, or better still handing over the alledged intell and letting the presence of absence of WMD be determined once and for all without a war, the US had the UN inspection team removed from Iraq so they could go ahead with their invasion.

They didnt let the investigations continue because they knew as well as Saddam that that outcome wasnt going to justify a war....

You can rabbit on about re-writing history as much as you like, my memory serves quite well enough to refute the non-point you are trying to make.

I was Swimmingpool for a long time...I knew it! Welcome back.

Just reading the horrified threads about what's going down in America (namely, civil liberties, human rights and moral decency) and I notice what I have noticed on NS for the 2+ years I have posted here. That no matter what, the Bush supporters will always agree with whatever authoritarian measures are stamped by Bush and Republicans.

I'm wondering what there limit would be?

If George Bush publicly converted to Islam and could convincingly tell us he's read a book and understood it. If he did both of those, his Religous base would turn on him. His corporate base however would still be loyal until it looked like he couldn't get Congress to do things for them anymore. So they'll probably dump him in Nov no matter what he does.

Dude I am far from ignorant...

Yes, ignorant people are the people who believe only what they hear on network news. It indicates a lack of information. You're not quite as well informed as them. You're into delusional territory like people who watch FOX news. You not only don't know what is true, you believe things that are not only false, but make no sense.

You passed ignorant when you said that the intelligence across the board was that he had WMD's. When you start saying that the war was needed and that it wasn't until after the war that we found out he had no WMD's you're heading on to downright delusional.

realize that Bush is not Hitler reincarnated, and that he is looking out for America.

I agree with the first part, but not the second part.

one question - are you lying to us or to yourself as well?

By moderate he means that he doesn't go whole-hog and take all his anti-psychotic meds, but he will take them once in a while, so it's not like he's some sort of medicinal teetotaller.

I hear valium will help your condition.

Yes. Nazz suffers from a case of knowing what the fuck is going on in the world. Valium is great for that. Puts one right to sleep, like you seem to be.

You really have a hate on for the guy dont you ?

Yes he is President ..the US is at war ...He gets the benifit of the doubt.

There was doubt after he got elected the first time. Since then everything has served to confirm that the doubt in him was well placed. There isn't any doubt to give him the benifit of anymore. Unless you've been asleep the last 6 years and don't know what's going on. But even upon waking up, Rip Van Winkle himself would exclaim "holy shit! What the hell has George the Second been doing? The King doesn't have this sort of authority! What has gotten into parliament and why hasn't anyone kicked there arses into action yet?"

You see red and I see Black. Your a leftwing liberal ..I am a moderate .

I do not expect to see things your way , ever .

You are not moderate. Moderates don't support torture, wars of choice, exploding debt, and the suspension of Constitutional rights. You are an extremist. A militant radical. To claim that you are a moderate means that you are also an idiot. But most extremists tend to be.