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What do you think I should do in order to protest the Military Comissions Act? Right now I'm just thinking of wearing signs around town that say "Mr. President, give me back Habeas Corpus. Mr. President, give me back Geneva. Mr. President, give me back my fair trial. Mr. President, give me back my RIGHTS!"

What do you think I should do to protest the acts? I'll probably end up being labeled an "unlawful enemy combatant" no matter how I protest, but I don't care. Just share you ideas.

Contact your representatives (in person is most effective, followed by letter-writing. Email is a non-starter.) Make your friends more aware of what the legislation entails. And don't forget to vote (if you can)!

Start a Second American Revolution.

(Third if you count the Civil War...)

Other then that you can harass your congressman but I don't think they really listen anway. Just be wasting your money on postage.

What do you think I should do in order to protest the Military Comissions Act? Right now I'm just thinking of wearing signs around town that say "Mr. President, give me back Habeas Corpus. Mr. President, give me back Geneva. Mr. President, give me back my fair trial. Mr. President, give me back my RIGHTS!"

What do you think I should do to protest the acts? I'll probably end up being labeled an "unlawful enemy combatant" no matter how I protest, but I don't care. Just share you ideas.

assassination, it's the only way.

What do you think I should do in order to protest the Military Comissions Act? Right now I'm just thinking of wearing signs around town that say "Mr. President, give me back Habeas Corpus. Mr. President, give me back Geneva. Mr. President, give me back my fair trial. Mr. President, give me back my RIGHTS!"

What do you think I should do to protest the acts? I'll probably end up being labeled an "unlawful enemy combatant" no matter how I protest, but I don't care. Just share you ideas.

I think you should go abroad (outside the US), join an islamofascist or "pretend"-islamofascist group, attract the attention of some US military folks, and protest your treatment from the inside.

OR,.. you could tattoo "Habeas Buttus" on your ass and flash that at leftie rallies to attract girls, or girl substitutes (male lefties).

assassination, it's the only way.
Haha, wiretaps.

Vote out the fuckers who voted for the MCA.

Haha, wiretaps.

i await my assigned deathsquad with interest. and a crowbar.

Vote out the fuckers who voted for the MCA.

The best way, yes.

*nods*

Revolution is more dramatic though. :)

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What do you think I should do in order to protest the Military Comissions Act? Right now I'm just thinking of wearing signs around town that say "Mr. President, give me back Habeas Corpus. Mr. President, give me back Geneva. Mr. President, give me back my fair trial. Mr. President, give me back my RIGHTS!"

In all seriousness, this is bull because I have yet to see anyone's rights taken away yet.

In all seriousness, this is bull because I have yet to see anyone's rights taken away yet.

"Legislation that allows the ignoring of people's rights? Poppy cock, if they havn't used it, it isn't real!"

Here's a challenge that I doubt will be met. For those who say the MCA will take away our rights, Habeas Corpus, etc. I want you to go into the document itself and point out to me where it says it'll do those mean things yall say it will.

Here's a challenge that I doubt will be met. For those who say the MCA will take away our rights, Habeas Corpus, etc. I want you to go into the document itself and point out to me where it says it'll do those mean things yall say it will.
I though you'dbe against this, as it overal gives Govt and Co mare power...

I though you'dbe against this, as it overal gives Govt and Co mare power...

Actually it's Gov. Co. It's what I call Government when it gets too much power, and really I haven't read it myself, so I will shut up now. Now if it does give Gov. Co. too much power then I am against it, and I think if anything that what people should be protesting.

You once owned Geneva? You must be rich.

Actually it's Gov. Co. It's what I call Government when it gets too much power, and really I haven't read it myself, so I will shut up now. Now if it does give Gov. Co. too much power then I am against it, and I think if anything that what people should be protesting.

I haven't read it either, but Gov. Co. will be Gov. Co.

I haven't read it either, but Gov. Co. will be Gov. Co.

True.

Here's a challenge that I doubt will be met. For those who say the MCA will take away our rights, Habeas Corpus, etc. I want you to go into the document itself and point out to me where it says it'll do those mean things yall say it will.

"The term `unlawful enemy combatant' means...a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."

"A finding, whether before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense that a person is an unlawful enemy combatant is dispositive..."

the president can declare anyone he likes to be an unlawful enemy combatant. that claim is to be taken as the final word on the subject.

challenge met.

"The term `unlawful enemy combatant' means...a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."

"A finding, whether before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense that a person is an unlawful enemy combatant is dispositive..."

the president can declare anyone he likes to be an unlawful enemy combatant. that claim is to be taken as the final word on the subject.

challenge met.

though while we're on the subject, we might as well add in

"No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories."

"the President has the authority for the United States to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions"

so nobody can invoke the geneva conventions, and the president gets to decide what those conventions mean and who they apply to anyways.

and, of course, the entire point of the unlawful enemy combatant designation has been so the bush admin has a way to disappear citizens like padilla and hamdi for years at a time. connect the fucking dots.

though while we're on the subject, we might as well add in

"No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories."

"the President has the authority for the United States to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions"

so nobody can invoke the geneva conventions, and the president gets to decide what those conventions mean and who they apply to anyways.

Well, until I find time to actually read the MCA myself, I am against this. This really does give Gov. Co. too much power, espically the President.

The MCA was drafted in the wake of Hamdan v. Rumsfield, which ruled that terrorists should not be protected under the Geneva Convention (which makes sense, since one of the purposes of the Geneva Convention was to protect noncombatants and prevent attacks on civilian targets like the fire-bombings of dresden). The MCA only applies to aliens, that is people who are not American citizens, and furthermore only applies to aliens who are "enemy combatants engaged in hostilities against the United States."

I honestly don't see this as trampling on my rights at all. Foreign terrorists should not get the same trial and treatment as American citizens. I believe that military courts are more capable of and more authorized for the handling such cases than domestic courts.

and, of course, the entire point of the unlawful enemy combatant designation has been so the bush admin has a way to disappear citizens like padilla and hamdi for years at a time. connect the fucking dots.

Don't worry, the courts will protect you.

(which makes sense, since one of the purposes of the Geneva Convention was to protect noncombatants and prevent attacks on civilian targets like the fire-bombings of dresden).


Actually, that would be the Fourth Geneva Convention. The First, Second, and Third Geneva Conventions govern the protection and treatment of wounded and sick members of the armed forces on the battlefield or in naval forces, as wel as those members of the armed forces who are prisoners of war. Thus, the whole issue concerning "enemy combatants" is most certainly relevant, the category being little more than a means of weasling around Geneva Conventions requirements. We claim to be fighting a "war" on terrorism for political/propagandistic effect, but then don't obey the actual laws of war.

So are we discussing whether the MCA infringes on civilian rights or whether it evades the guarantees of the Geneva Conventions?

I assumed it was the former rather than latter, given the following statement in the initial post:
"Mr. President, give me back Habeas Corpus. Mr. President, give me back Geneva. Mr. President, give me back my fair trial. Mr. President, give me back my RIGHTS!"


I find that to be silly and unwarranted.

If we're talking about the failings of the Geneva Conventions, such as granting POW status to members of armies and militias but not to mercenaries, then we've got a whole different creature to tangle with.

Who cares a tinker's damn for a rotten-egg mercenary, anyway? I might care for the safety and welfare of our troops, but soldiers of fortune can go right on ahead and take a jump in the lake - after all, they're out for themselves to begin with. Twafflonia, your priorities are obscure at best, and of little to no consequence for the American people.

Start a Second American Revolution.

(Third if you count the Civil War...)

Other then that you can harass your congressman but I don't think they really listen anway. Just be wasting your money on postage.

Ahh a statement after my own heart ;).

The best way, yes.

*nods*

Revolution is more dramatic though. :)

And seriously, when asking these questions, one must think to oneself:

"Would people watch a movie of this?"

Now, unless you want a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" rip-off(Good movie, few have actually seen it), you'd have to go with revolution. I mean, I don't know one person who hasn't seen the crap-tastic "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson.

Other then that you can harass your congressman but I don't think they really listen anway. Just be wasting your money on postage.

That's why you use the prestamped envelopes they include in those irritating letters they send you.

That's why you use the prestamped envelopes they include in those irritating letters they send you.

Well I haven't received any information packets from politicians trying to get my vote.

Maybe if I register to a political party they will start harassing me.

Now, unless you want a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" rip-off(Good movie, few have actually seen it), you'd have to go with revolution. I mean, I don't know one person who hasn't seen the crap-tastic "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson.

Well, I really don't see any grassroots type of politician getting elected anymore. It is all the wealthy political sellouts who go to Washington, not the "peoples" candidates.

The MCA was drafted in the wake of Hamdan v. Rumsfield, which ruled that terrorists should not be protected under the Geneva Convention (which makes sense, since one of the purposes of the Geneva Convention was to protect noncombatants and prevent attacks on civilian targets like the fire-bombings of dresden). The MCA only applies to aliens, that is people who are not American citizens, and furthermore only applies to aliens who are "enemy combatants engaged in hostilities against the United States."

I honestly don't see this as trampling on my rights at all. Foreign terrorists should not get the same trial and treatment as American citizens. I believe that military courts are more capable of and more authorized for the handling such cases than domestic courts.

Read before you say, Mr. Pretensious.

It applies to EVERYONE. Mr. President can say ANYONE is an unlawful enemy combatant, EVEN YOU! EVEN ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN!

Fucking people think they know what the MCA says even if they haven't read it...

Talk about zombies.

*nods*

Talk about zombies.

*nods*

Zombies?

Is Shroedingers cat back?


Also, you should go read the party thread *nods*.

Talk about zombies.

*nods*

Zombies will get the attention of the government?

Zombies will get the attention of the government?

Zombies will eat their brains, that might get their attention.

Zombies will eat their brains, that might get their attention.

Holy shit, you're right! It might just work! :eek: :D

Become a pirate and sail the high seas seeking treasure.

Holy shit, you're right! It might just work! :eek: :D

We'll need lots and lots of zombies. And fast. Quick, to google!

Googling zombies for hire turned up this (http://www.smoothwall.net/information/news/newsitem.php?id=482) among other things. I lol'd.

We'll need lots and lots of zombies. And fast. Quick, to google!

Googling zombies for hire turned up this (http://www.smoothwall.net/information/news/newsitem.php?id=482) among other things. I lol'd.

Government won't be able to stand up to this guy!

http://home.earthlink.net/~brosenberger/zombie.jpg

Zombies will eat their brains, that might get their attention.

Zombies can no more eat the brain of a politician than I can eat a unicorn.

Jihad your self at capital hill...You'd kill two bird with one....bomb belt?