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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
http://hometown.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

Definitions:


In Internet terminology, a troll is usually someone who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive, offensive, off-topic or otherwise disruptive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or alter the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls e.g. Mr. Seven and Leicester Lantern. Often, trolls assume multiple aliases, or sock puppets.


An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.


Remember, no trolling. . . :p

I'm planning on it since it's apparently been legalized on NSG. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

I certainly do not troll. I'll do the occassional flame when someone pisses me off to bad, but troll? Absolutely not.

i like poking trolls. and some of my posts might be considered trollish although i've neve been pulled up for it.

edit: i'm not entirely sure of the distinction between trolling and flamebaiting.

I love owning trolls with my debating skills. It's a favorite hobby of mine.

I have never trolled, I was banned flaming once; took the bait, don't do that anymore.

I have never trolled nor ever had a puppet troll. I enjoy debate and discussion and just do not have the ambition nor the ability to facetiously misrepresent my opinions.

I can find humor in some trolls of the past but for the most part they are just annoying, and would get my personal blood pressure up too much if I were to troll

Wow! I am surprised this thread has stayed civilized for this long! :rolleyes:
























Just kidding. ;)

They are irrelevant to me - unless they make me giggle.

I know one forum that is infested with trolls! Trolls trolls trolls everywhere!!! And trolling is even encouraged there! Me won't be linking to it, though. You'll just have to guess. If you guess right, I'll PM you. ;)

I troll all the time. Not here, of course, but on more than a few boards and online communities.

why ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
http://hometown.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

Definitions:


In Internet terminology, a troll is usually someone who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive, offensive, off-topic or otherwise disruptive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or alter the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls e.g. Mr. Seven and Leicester Lantern. Often, trolls assume multiple aliases, or sock puppets.


An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.


Remember, no trolling. . . :p

I am most certainly a troll, by this defintion, and so is anyone who is new to an "established community" and has views that that community finds "annoying" or "antagonistic".

A community who actually KICKS OUT a troll, under that above definition of troll, instead of simply ignoring, or better yet engaging and using, said troll is a community of little babies who would rather suck each other's thumbs (or other body parts more likely) than engage in actual conversation with adults.

To me, trolls are good, and can at the very least simply be ignored, but are most useful as "whetstones" for topic discussions.

Little infantile blatherers, and weenie assed complainers about "manners" and "Mommy come save me from the bad bad man/woman!"-types are bad, and should be ignored (but not banned) by all,.. unless they say something that is actually interesting, in which case they should be conversed with until they commence to whining and calling for Mommy again.

So is this a community of complaining babies, or a community of adults?

You decide.

:)

why ?

Why what?

Why what?

Why talk about trolls.

So is this a community of complaining babies, or a community of adults?

You decide.

:)

ach, i was gunna ask you seeing as you made the definition, troll.



;)

Ab-so-ma-freakin'-lutely!

Would you like me to be a troll? ;)

Why talk about trolls.

Because they are so kool. :)

And amusing. And despite what people say, they are SOOOOOOOO fun to feed! :D

Why what?


why bother , like shit trolls happen

Because they are so kool. :)

And amusing. And despite what people say, they are SOOOOOOOO fun to feed! :D

much better than donkeys

And amusing. And despite what people say, they are SOOOOOOOO fun to feed! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/u812/FeedTroll.jpg

At least I know what a troll is now, after this thread...

I tend to agree with the poster who said (I paraphrase) 'anybody new with a different opinion' could be construed as a troll. But I fall short of the 'can't convince them with a logical argument / have no empathic feelings' part of the definition.

Besides, Jennifer Aniston was HOT in that troll movie (and by that I mean Leprachaun).

I've seen a lot of trolls come and go on NS and it's surprising how hard it is to be a good troll. I don't mean sucking in the odd n00b with something outlandish, but actually being able to continuously suck people in.


The best trolls are the one's where no body is completely sure if they're a troll at all..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/u812/FeedTroll.jpg

Have to disagree. My only complaint is that often the mods won't just lock the thread they will actually delete it. I lose all my posts, damn it. :(

The most talented and dangerous kinds of trolls are the kind that like to stalk people! Ooooooh! WATCH OUT!!! :p

Then their are the wimpy trolls, which troll on boards where trolling is either encouraged or is an official troll hangout.

I've seen a lot of trolls come and go on NS and it's surprising how hard it is to be a good troll. I don't mean sucking in the odd n00b with something outlandish, but actually being able to continuously suck people in.


The best trolls are the one's where no body is completely sure if they're a troll at all..

on a side note, i had a thought earlier today that mtae might be naliitr rather than colodia or whatever the name of that troll that was on here a while ago was. just cuz mtae's height of activity came at a point when naliitr was away for a while and they have a very similar writing style. plus new naliitr keeps agreeing with mtae at strategic moments. just a theory.

The most talented and dangerous kinds of trolls are the kind that like to stalk people! Ooooooh! WATCH OUT!!! :p

Then their are the wimpy trolls, which troll on boards where trolling is either encouraged or is an official troll hangout.

Ugly thing. I think this is definately a stalking troll.

http://www.howardlyon.com/images/paintings/page%203/Cave%20Troll%20Final%20Small.jpg

Wimpy troll.

http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/stock_illustration/images/cartoon_troll_001.gif

LoL Ultracia! :D

Haha, I am a troll in life, but not online! The most I do online is use passive-agressiveness to flamebait people. If that. But yeah, I totally meet all of the criteria for 'Troll' in real life. :cool:

on a side note, i had a thought earlier today that mtae might be naliitr rather than colodia or whatever the name of that troll that was on here a while ago was. just cuz mtae's height of activity came at a point when naliitr was away for a while and they have a very similar writing style. plus new naliitr keeps agreeing with mtae at strategic moments. just a theory.
I can see your logic, but I am hesitant to agree. Soviestan cleverly noted today that MTAE was using british spelling on the word 'labour'. He really got defensive, and tried to gloss over with some BS story about being english-second-language from some country in Eastern europe (learned english from British education). A laughed for about 15 minutes watching him squirm and flail!It was in that slavery thread, most awesome.

on a side note, i had a thought earlier today that mtae might be naliitr rather than colodia or whatever the name of that troll that was on here a while ago was. just cuz mtae's height of activity came at a point when naliitr was away for a while and they have a very similar writing style. plus new naliitr keeps agreeing with mtae at strategic moments. just a theory.

Is Colodia even active anymore?

I mean there was that thread a week or two ago were he was hallucinating or something, but that has been the first time I saw him since his iPod broke.

Wow! I am surprised this thread has stayed civilized for this long! :rolleyes:

That's because the OP itself is a troll. It seems you have a habit of doing that. If you voted anything other than Yes in the poll, you're a sinner.

Is Colodia even active anymore?

I mean there was that thread a week or two ago were he was hallucinating or something, but that has been the first time I saw him since his iPod broke.
I think he meant cornelieu, everyone keeps accusing MTAE of being him or UNA. Naliitir makes sense, but I want to check if Nalitiir uses british spelling...

Quote: I tend to agree with the poster who said (I paraphrase) 'anybody new with a different opinion' could be construed as a troll. But I fall short of the 'can't convince them with a logical argument / have no empathic feelings' part of the definition.


I disagree. New people with different opinions make conversations, including digital ones, interesting. A troll is someone who thrives on random babble, hateful slurs, shock value, disruption, etc.

A psychoanalytical theory: Trolls who partake in the behavior described above are sometimes using these behaviors as an outlet for latent sociopathic tendencies, hence the inability to reason or be empathetic.

BTW, how do you do the "Quote" function on these threads?

-Krakohsia

Trolls are tasty, especially when BBQ'ed over a nice hot fire, marinated with teriyaki sauce. Mmm...! :eek:

I'm planning on it since it's apparently been legalized on NSG. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

It's only legalized for those that are funny. I trolled once, as some guy called All-Loving Christ(Thread went for a crapload of pages. Look for "You Are All Shameful"). The account was DEATED and I was modsmacked as soon as they noticed.

DCD, on the other hand, went for what, weeks, months as Jesussaves? Come ON! No fair.

That's because the OP itself is a troll. It seems you have a habit of doing that. If you voted anything other than Yes in the poll, you're a sinner.

Well, I voted "maybe"...although, as I noted earlier, I'm just now learning what a Troll is...

I never troll now. However I can neither confirm nor deny that I trolled once or twice in way, way back time.

I think he meant cornelieu, everyone keeps accusing MTAE of being him or UNA. Naliitir makes sense, but I want to check if Nalitiir uses british spelling...

I have credible intelligence that MTAE is definitely not UNA. Plus UNA doesnt use British spelling( I would be shocked if he knew how) Although Nalitir does make sense. Both posters seem to be awfully simple minded.(no offense to either)

I have credible intelligence that MTAE is definitely not UNA. Plus UNA doesnt use British spelling( I would be shocked if he knew how) Although Nalitir does make sense. Both posters seem to be awfully simple minded.(no offense to either)

I have to say looking at the british vs. american spelling thing, and all the time Naliitr has agreed with MTAE at critical times in his threads...I'm kinda getting convinced that MTAE is naliitr's puppet.

I have to say looking at the british vs. american spelling thing, and all the time Naliitr has agreed with MTAE at critical times in his threads...I'm kinda getting convinced that MTAE is naliitr's puppet.

Is it really that difficult to learn the spelling mannerisms of British v. American ?

I mean it shouldn't involve too much labour...just smoke a couple fags and figure it out...

Is it really that difficult to learn the spelling mannerisms of British v. American ?
no...but UNA never did before, I don't see a reason why he would start now. The big bit of evidence is how he reacted when he got called out for it, he got real defensive and made up this tripe about being from an E. Europe country and learned english in a UK school before moving to america.

...hang on. Isn't Nalitir a middle school student in California?

It sounds interesting... I just havn't found the right forum yet. Want my first time to be special.

I would like to complement you on your poll, however. Extremely well constructed, alienates no one and is fairly humorous to boot.

I would like to complement you on your poll, however. Extremely well constructed, alienates no one and is fairly humorous to boot.

Why thank you! Thank you very much! Elvis lives! :D

I can see your logic, but I am hesitant to agree. Soviestan cleverly noted today that MTAE was using british spelling on the word 'labour'. He really got defensive, and tried to gloss over with some BS story about being english-second-language from some country in Eastern europe (learned english from British education). A laughed for about 15 minutes watching him squirm and flail!It was in that slavery thread, most awesome.

Yeah, that was kind of ridiculous. His story seem perfectly reasonable to me.


Now that Cracky-Chan thing, that was a troll.

Trolls are bad...wipe off 28 hit points in one swing and you need a two-handed sword to kill them...oh wait, I'm a geek...you mean a different type of troll. Yeah, some of them are good for amusement, but others should just STFU.

I would like to complement you on your poll, however. Extremely well constructed, alienates no one and is fairly humorous to boot.

It is certainly the best poll I've seen all week.

It is certainly the best poll I've seen all week.

;)

on a side note, i had a thought earlier today that mtae might be naliitr rather than colodia or whatever the name of that troll that was on here a while ago was. just cuz mtae's height of activity came at a point when naliitr was away for a while and they have a very similar writing style. plus new naliitr keeps agreeing with mtae at strategic moments. just a theory.
No, I don't think Naliitr is MTAE. I do believe that MTAE was RealAmerica before it was deleted.

RA seemed to pop up after BarryGoldwater and his puppet USalpenstock disappeared. Although it would appear that MTAE is even further rightist than those two were. Just guessing. And of course Corneliu has completely disappeared, along with AlleghenyCounty. Hmmmm.

Ask it,and you get it.
Those f**in parasites,
it's time to get emancipated ppl
but since this appear to be the best pool of the week,
Well,you know,
nothing for free out there

Yes i'm a troll,but like most i don't hide myself

lol
PS: it was trollish,i agree
and i didn't vote

Trolls, like flamers/flames/fleame wars are valuable, as long as they are amusing. Otherwise I just ignore them.

Myself. I'm to lazy to troll.

Would you believe me if I said "no"? If not, f off, looosers! :D